Mini 991 - POWERFUL WIZARD MAFIA (GAME)

[Gammagooey]

There are corrupted wizards among us ladies and gentlemen.

Corrupted.

BY DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS

LET'S TAKE 'EM OUT.

Vote: Kmd4390

[Gammagooey]

US Eastern Time, and whichever will make things interesting faster.

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PS if you're trying to turn it into the RQS then you need waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better questions than that.

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This game needs to get less boring REAL FAST.

Blah blah blah vote reasoning

Vote:Empking

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Emp-I voted you didn't I?

In other news the wagon on Button is silly. Karma what were you hoping to get from Button with that last comment?

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Then why didn't you actually ask any of those questions instead of a general "anything to say"?

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Dear Karma: Your vote is stupid, no matter what you want or don't want people to call it. Way to vote one of the only people scumhunting.

Do you still care about what Button thinks of his earlier wagon?

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@SpyreX-Mod

: Can you give Kmd a prod to make sure he knows the game is open and started and everything?

[Gammagooey]

Andrius-dramonic usually plays like that from my experience, and I'm not actually sure if Kmd even got prodded considering we don't have a votecount yet for today.

Karma's shenanigans are enlightening in

Secret, secret ways

but I'm gonna wait until a few more people get to postan before elaborating on this.
Hint:His Parama vote is still dumb.

WHY HELLO SSBF, you seem to have ninja'd me. How are these two posts different in content?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Karma

Also mild gut from Suave and Gamma is town.

Unvote

Vote:Gamma

" This game needs to get less boring REAL FAST." and then doing nothing to change that.

[Gammagooey]

Pssssssssssssst Hey SpyreX- Budja voted Karma earlier this page

[Gammagooey]

@Gammagooey: The difference between two quotes is that Budja only voted and gave town read. Empking on the other hand, actually provided a reason for his vote. It isn't much, but it is something.

So why is a vote reasoning inherently better than a town read? I'm not getting it.

[Gammagooey]

It's based on %s now Kmd, so 100 is default

150 looks like this

and

85 looks like this

Also your maths are a wee bit off, they only add up to 7.8333 out of 8.

Back to waitan games.

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This wagon makes me paranoid. Although it does make me feel a little better about Kmd just by comparison to the other people on it.

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Uuuuuuuuuuh reread my post I think you have my suspicions backwards.

And I'll pass for now.

[Gammagooey]

Not really. Around half the game is pretty contentless right now.

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Still nope. That's a large reason of why I don't like the wagon by the way- Empking and MrSuave and Andrius and Budja and ButtonMen and Reaper are all dismally low on content and yet Andrius is getting singled out and gets 3 votes in about an hour, including one from someone who barely has any content himself.

[Gammagooey]

Suaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaave who do you think is scum?

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So I was gonna wait some more for others to post before doing this but it's getting rediculous.

Unvote
Vote:Karma

You'll get reasons as soon as everyone else stops dicking around and actually says what they think of everything/who the scum is.

[Gammagooey]

Secrets ARE pretty cool.

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DOO DOO DOO DO DOO DOO DOO DO

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So Karma, now that you're PewPew'd, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO NOW?

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DRAMONIC WHO'S SCUM QUICK BEFORE THE THREAD DIES FROM BEING CONTENT-DEAD

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Don't completely agree with that but <3 for the answer dram

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@Kmd- TheButton, MrSuave, and Empking come to mind. Budja should probably be on there too if it's strictly "people without much content" but I have a gut-town read on him and he's acknowledged Karma's shenanigans so I don't personally need more content from him.

I did think TBM's vote on me was jokey though so if that's actually serious you can probably take him off there too.

Karma- Can I get a quick list of suspects from you?

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@TBM-Kay.
@Kmd- I don't really want/care about your content-o-meter analysis right now (no offense), I just want them to post who their suspects are. (the remaining "they" being Suave and Empking)

[Gammagooey]

PS goes first-Sorry about this being wallish, but it's important and quite probably the only wall I'm going to make for a while, so please bear with it.

Yesssssssssssssssss I finally got what I was waiting for and can explain why Karma is pretty much guaranteed scum at this point. (I'm fully expecting RC's daykill to be fake I just wanted to see if Karma would actually react if several people indicated that they thought he was dying)

Let's go over Karma's play shall we?

His first actually suspicious post-

So this is L-2. Buttonmen, anything to say?

Doesn't ask for a claim or any specific info, and when pressured gives a few questions to TBM after the fact, and proceeds to crazy overreact to Parama's vote on him. I don't see his "I'm lazy" as a towntell, especially as he was on just minutes before the question was asked and may have felt pressured to answer quickly because of it, with having "I'm lazy" being the best answer he could think of in a short amount of time.

The part I was waiting for-

Do you still care about what Button thinks of his earlier wagon?

Yes. Very much so, actually.

And yet immediately after TBM posts without

ever mentioning

his wagon, in his next post he not only completely ignores that TBM hasn't answered his earlier questions but doesn't even have him on his scumlist. This is because he doesn't actually care about the answers to his earlier questions, and made them up pretty much just to avoid suspicion and try to look like he's scumhunting.

BUT THAT'S NOT ALL.

No, my vote is not OMGUS. You presented a case based on a misunderstanding - that was that. I cleared it up. The issue should have been taken care of right then and you should have moved on. Calling me hypocritical for asking for analysis from TBM on PAGE FUCKING 2 is fucking scummy. Why don't you attack Andrius - all he's done is ask questions. Why don't you attack 3/4 of the players here for "not providing any analysis"?

In this quote, you see Karma only actually bringing up other suspects because he's being attacked. He had never brought up Andrius before, he hasn't said that Andrius was scummy before, he's just trying to make Parama's attack seem weaker and get rid of attention by pointing out "heeeeeey look there are other scummy guys why aren't you attacking theeeeem"

And Finally

However, I slept on it, and I realized my frustration with Parama makes this really feel like town on town. Parama's attacks are wrong and horribly misguided but he's trying, which I can't say for most of the town.
UNVOTE: Parama

Not only does Karma back off of his suspicion when it's repeated that his Parama suspicion is dumb, but in the post he doesn't say that he just thinks Parama is town now, He states

That his own interaction with another player is town on town

. There is no reason to do this except to put in a subtle "oh hey guys I'm town" into his read of Parama, which should not be a concern of an actual townie.


Once again, sorry about the wall, but Karma is scum. Thank you and good night.

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Karma-A tiny bit, but the OH SO SUBTLE way you did it yours is so much more scumtastic.

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Hay Kmd WHY is Karma town? Because I'm so far away from seeing it that I think the idea originated in a different solar system.

[Gammagooey]

Dear SpyreX- NOPE. Try again :O

[Gammagooey]

No.

the I'm lazy comment was made just minutes after the question was asked and I don't think he could think of a better response at that time.

Pointing out that Andrius is being active-lurky is a little better, but I can very easily see that as justification for his vote after following your vote instead of that being the original reason he voted him.

He called Parama town after a damn hard push that Parama WAS scum that nobody took seriously because the entire case was stupid, and he didn't want to dig himself a deeper hole.

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And there's pretty much my entire case earlier-

How is completely ignoring TBM's lack of comment on something he supposedly Very Much wanted to hear about town?

How is only attacking someone when you're being attacked town? (Karma didn't vote andrius after he was done arguing with Parama, he only voted him after someone else had shown their support of it)

[Gammagooey]

Godamnit Karma STILL hasn't bothered actually trying to get an answer from TBM or pressuring TBM in any way despite mentioning his request for the SOLE PURPOSE OF DEFENDING HIMSELF.

I'm not voting Andrius because it's pretty damn obvious that Karma is scum and Andrius is not maf with Karma by any possible stretch of the imagination.

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See you still caring about the TBM wagon would require you to have actually had legitimate suspicions of him or that you thought the response would be useful in any way for determining whether he or others on the wagon were scum. Time passing doesn't change whether or not a response to questions are useful.

You never actually cared about the answer, it was just bullshit to look like you were scumhunting.

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And why would it not be useful now but it would be useful then.

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Oh Kmd just to let you know if Karma gets lynched today and by some anti-miracle DOESN'T flip scum I'll help lynch Andrius tommorrow unless there's POWERFUL ROLE-INFO about. If you absolutely made me I could probably compromise on a Suave/Empking lynch but I wouldn't be particularly happy about it.

SSBF- Considering that deadline is in 3 days, I'd say some conclusions are pretty awesome to be making right now.

[Gammagooey]

Yeah yeah feel free to keep being useless instead of actually hunting scum or anything with a deadline approaching

[Gammagooey]

Parama-

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: June 24th, 10:30 PM PST

Karma-I see it, I just don't believe it.

[Gammagooey]

Hey Andrius give me 2-3 scum suspects please.

[Gammagooey]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaannnnndddrrrrriuuuuusssssss I see you on other boards

Hey Andrius give me 2-3 scum suspects please.

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Empking- He needs to show up and play the game, but what little he has reminds me of the marathon game we played together over the forum outage when he was town.

Andrius- Noooot really who I was expecting. So why aren't you voting...any of them?

[Gammagooey]

Limited Access

during tommorrow and Thursday, driving across the state to visit my dad. I should be able to get on late Wednesday night to make sure we don't no lynch at deadline, but that might be pretty much it.

In addition,

BITCHES GET TO VOTING THE DEADLINE IS IN TWO DAYS.

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Sooooooooo here's the deal. I have some other scum-reads that aren't Karma but they're pretty much all conditional on whether or not Karma flips scum. I have town reads on Parama, dram, RC, and TheButtonmen- Parama because obvious, dram from gut and playing similarly to 11th hour, RC because I really can't see a scum being this balls-out with intentionally contentless posts, and TBM because the stubborness of the vote on me and general play just doesn't seem scum-motivated to me.

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@karma-
If you flip scum- HEAVY money on one of Empking/MrSuave being scum, and maybe Kmd: I've seen a different game where he heavily defended a scumbuddy d1 before.
If you don't- Andrius because obvious, maybe one of SSBF/Budja: SSBF's voting Budja but putting pressure on you seems fishy if you flip town, and Budja applying some Vote'N'Go^TM to his posts would need to be looked at a lot more. Still think you'll flip scum though.

[Gammagooey]

Trust someone. In ze mafias. Sure I'll get right on that as soon as my urine turns to gold and I take the flying pig out of my personal jet turbine.

[Gammagooey]

Another SpyreX game- http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=12390

Deadline: June 24th, 10:30 PM PST

[Gammagooey]

Although going over it again it might be more heavily pushing an alternate bandwagon than heavily defending a scumbuddy, but you get what i mean i thinkz. and you're kind of doing both if Karma flips scum now so yeaaaaaaah.

[Gammagooey]

Karma, I'd bet some pretty solid money that there are in fact EIGHT very powerful wizards, with some of them being scum. So no.

[Gammagooey]

I would like to hear about the even more magical abilities actually, but unless someone's counterclaiming abjurer or doctor and as long as the other abilities check out I think I could stand swinging this over to Andrius.

[Gammagooey]

I hate how you're town.

Don't miss this people. Karma said he hated that Parama was town. This could indicate that he knows what alignment Parama is part of. Either they're masons, or more likely, scums. I'm leaning toward the latter.

I believe Karma's claim, so I'll spare him for now.

I'm going to point out that I hate this.

I still want Karma's other apprentice# abilities and I might as well say why- My role is absolutely useless at zero apprentices (which i currently have), and I'm a little itchy about Karma having an ability even if he doesn't have anyone at his back. Plus if he's telling the truth I doubt he'll be alive long enough to actually have more apprentices.

[Gammagooey]

Coolz.

WAGON SWING

Unvote
Vote:Andrius

(L-2 I think?)

[Gammagooey]

As much as I appreciate you calling me scum constantly, the purpose is to say why I wanted Karma to claim further and MAYBE even actually become useful when night rolls around and apprentices get to choose things. As of right now I might as well not even have a power role because I am capable of jack and shit.

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Kmd-As amusing as that would be, I'd guess that 2-3 out of the 8 schools are scum, and spreading out gives both a wider variety of powers and less chance of LOLWOOPSUBERSCUM. Plus if there are more people that are useless until they have 1+ apprentices like I am then that kinda sucks.

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TBM-SURE WHY NOT

But seriously, i just want oooooooone little apprentice so I can do things. Considering there are four schools without apprentices AND scum can only guess at school's abilities that aren't theirs, I'd say it's worth claiming.

Karma-Pretty sure the apprentice lending power doesn't become a power role.

[Gammagooey]

Bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh Don't like yo' plan Kmd.

[Gammagooey]

Kmd-Mostly paranoia, especially with you wanting Karma to pick the school worshipped after defending him so hard.

TBM-I'm gonna go with a SpyreX saying for this right here.

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooossssssssssssssh.

Ninja'd-Also I can confirm that non-apprentices didn't have a n0 action.

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I'm not going to argue about the schools even though it's pretty much all mod-WIFOM, I'm just paranoid about you getting to choose it after being one of the most suspicious players all game. Personally I'd rather have Parama choose it since he's been the most obvtown to me.

TBM-feel free to point out the questions I'm missing, but I'm kind of getting crazy ninjad here. Also, I'm still not scum.

Holy fuck so ninajed augh

[Gammagooey]

Okay Button, who do YOU want to choose what gets all the power? Because you really haven't been doing shit aside from calling me scum all game.

[Gammagooey]

Nvm, ninjaed again. I actually like rolling for it.

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Sigh. TBM would you like to say why you think I'm scummy so I can try to show you why I'm not? Would you like to ask me any questions about what I was thinking at one time or another so you can see the thought processes behind it? Would you like to see any of my previous games as town or scum? (they're all on my wiki page)

[Gammagooey]

To determine which school the apprentices should worship.

BOOM RECORD TIME

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But the PARANOIA-MOBILE Kmd! I still like randomage btw.

Also, how about TWO more andrius votes and a claim. I like that ever so slightly better.

[Gammagooey]

Even though it's mod-WIFOM the names have something to do with the powers, and giving a whole school of magic to a scum role-cop just doesn't seem anywhere in the realm of possibility.

ummm...why not? Especially when you mod-meta SpyreX and you see that he has no <3 for cops? If anything I would think it would be either some form of tracker/watcher if it's town or a role-cop if it's scum.

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Andrius, more claiming. Also, from the vanilla role in the first post-

Each night

, select a school of magic that is still sponsored by the Guild.

Karma, can you ask SpyreX if your Guild Mark would remove a mafia's ability to night kill if it was used on the kill target?

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Also TBM what do you think the setup is? As in 2 scum schools/1 scum apprentice or vice versa or what exactly?
Yes it's important even though it's not going to affect the lynch today.

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So Insomnia the night before I have to drive for hours at a time SURE IS AWESOME.

Kmd, how confident are you in Karma-town and Andrius-scum respectively, on scales of 1-10. Also, do you HAVE to make me so paranoid?

Budja-SpyreX was actually in the first game I ever played on this site, and him looking like he was having a lot more fun than I was miiiiight have influenced my playstyle a little.

Everybodys-Budja is now probtown no matter what Andrius flips. He has gone directly into my brain and stolen all of my reads. He and Parama are the backup-Gammas in case of an emergency resulting in me being unable to get people to vote scumz. Dram is the backup-backup-Gamma because hell why not.

Suave and Empking- Are you going to even pretend to be try and get scum lynched or do you have plans to be at Useless Vote Central for an entire game day?

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Heeeeeeeeey back for a bit.

Read over Andrius' claim and Meh. Having an

effective rolecop

as his one apprentice ability and that the mafia almost certainly don't have the mafia kill in the spell-list (since otherwise the ability would be straight cop AND ability cop which is rediculous) means his role isn't gonna be too useful if it's town except at catching claim-liars, and we'd pretty much need a massclaim to do that. I'm not seeing enough to stop voting him.

TBM isn't a terrible lynch but I'm not really seeing TBM as scum, just incompetent.
I'm still absolutely thinking that there's still one scum in both Karma/Andrius and Empking/MrSuave, and I don't want to leave every last one of them alive until day 2.

Parama- All the silliness about discussing town reads is even more silly now that there's a claimed doc around. Get enough correct town reads and you can pretty much cruise to victory by lynching everyone else. Read dis if you don't believe me- http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13878

Lynches that I will vote for in order of awesomeness at this time-
Andrius
Empking
MrSuave
TBM
Karma

[Gammagooey]

Pretty sure you're at L-3. I don't want a claim yet personally, but a defense/response against the case against you would be pretty nice.

[Gammagooey]

Have you/Are you going to read Parama's post?

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Well I'm going to assume that you're telling the truth about the Parama reading because sometimes I'm nice like that.
So instead get some reading comprehension, answer the questions he's asked you, and stop sucking at the godamn game.

On the 0 apprentice ability, Parama already figured it out.

This is goodposting. TBM is assuming here since Gamma

didn't specifically say that he didn't have a 0 apprentice spell, he might just have one that isn't useful.

Or he may not have one, period. But you're trying to outguess the mod, which you just said was a bad thing.

[Gammagooey]

Also Physical Actions what? As in non-spells or what's going on there?

0: Stop target player from preforming physical actions that night.

[Gammagooey]

Yeah see I want to hear it from TBM, considering he's the one with the ability.

[Gammagooey]

Sigh. I still think TBM is just terribad town but a lynch needs to happen and TBM isn't going to stop tunneling and start scumhunting any time soon.

Unvote
Vote:TheButtonmen

(L-1)

[Gammagooey]

Sooooooooo here's what pretty much needs to happen.

Empking and Suave need VISIBLE OPINIONS on threat of lyanch.
Karma should claim who he jailkept.
Andrius...I personally think he should claim just what abilities he saw and not who they're from to get setup info but avoid giving scum a direction to go in, but I need more input on this one.

Vote: Empking

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Karma-What's the roleblocking spell name called?

[Gammagooey]

Gawwwwwwwd Karma and Andrius you are both SILLY.

I do appreciate the gain of apprentices. Actually, now that I have two apprentices, I can confirm my role during the night - the person I target will know all the spells that affected them.

I want 2 apprentices. I want to neighborize someone... and I can confirm myself as well, through the neighborization.

Proving an ability=/=proving alignment. I mean for serious, this would be the EASIEST GAME if scum all had to completely make up power roles and the results from them.

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If one of Suave/Empking continues to be useless and doing nothing but activity modkill-dodging, they'z getting the lynch today. Although it's still unlikely they could be scum together, its millions times more likely than Andrius and Karma being scumbuddies and at least one of them is 100% absolute scumz IMO.

Also, people who are more/less suspicious of one uber-lurker or the other confuse and worry me because I really don't see enough content from either to actually tell them apart scum-wise.

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Reeeeeeeaaaaaaperrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. *fist shaking*

I am intrigued by Karma's reaction and it leads to MORE SECRETS. Andrius/Person with those spells shouldn't claim unless they're getting run up Or one other situation that will not be talked about at this time.
If anyone else claims a power role though I think it may be massclaim time, cause we've got 2 dead PRs and would have 4 more of 6 outed : / (even though it's partly my fault but whatever)

[Gammagooey]

Damnit if I'm right about some of these secrets then either the setup isn't what I thought or one of my sexy town reads isn't so sexy after all. Or more likely one of my secrets is flawed but I'll deal with that if it happens.
/talkingtomyself

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Empking-

SSBM; I've been called a lurker for a long time now. Unless you think I'm completely devoid of brain cells I'm not trying to avoid notice. BTW,. I'm not lurking you guys are playing ridiculously fast. (Which if you look at day 1 is not a good thing.)

It looks like there's no tell associated with having a 0 apprentice action or not.

So I'll wait for a VC and then vote Andrius. I don't think RC is bluffing.

The game has WEEK-LONG DEADLINES. If everyone was playing "normally" like you we would have had a 3-5 page day 1 and either a lynch barely out of the RVS or no lynch at all. Start playing the godamn game.

Meh, since you guys are probably going to run RC to a fullclaim without me who's up for a massclaim afterwards? I don't think RC is scum.

[Gammagooey]

I actually think guild mark should stay a secret actually since it's a twilight action, and scum might know that it had been used from the flavor.

[Gammagooey]

I swear if people don't start reading things.

FIRST POST.

All Guild Marks are twilight abilities - you must PM me the use of them during the day and they will activate that night before any other actions (and before natural action resolution).

[Gammagooey]

Karma-Eh, the name probably isn't very important but personally I'm not giving or asking for anything Guild Mark related, even if we massclaim.

If a few more people are fine with the massclaim I think we should start with RC since people are suspicious of him for rolestuffs anyway and then popcorn from there.

[Gammagooey]

Why do you guys make me hate this game? It's just getting depressing.

RC, just claim.

[Gammagooey]

Evoker.
Now what the fuck do your spells do. Fullclaim.

[Gammagooey]

No, you haven't. You've said what the ARE, not what they DO.

[Gammagooey]

There really is no reason for you to be stalling this hard.

Unvote
Vote:ReaperCharlie

[Gammagooey]

RC-Soooooo why did that take so long. And who's claiming next.

Karma- As funny as I find this, you're close but NOT QUITE. I did a completely different night action that will be hella obvious as soon as I claim.

[Gammagooey]

Karma-I'll just save you all this trouble and claim my zero apprentice ability, and then you can go on to being silly elsewhere.

Dancing Lights- Used on Budja. Flavor-only.

[Gammagooey]

Karma-Because it is. I didn't kill Kmd though.

I'll fullclaim if RC wants me to claim next, he's got the popcorn powah.

[Gammagooey]

Karma already claimed but Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatever

So I do have Magic Missle, AND breadcrumbed it in my first post. One or more of the mafia apparently have it as a kill method as well, because as much as I would have liked to, I sure didn't get to kill anybody last night.

0 apprentice- Dancing Lights, used on Budja, flavor-only
1 apprentice- Magic Missle, vig shot
2 apprentice- Bigby's Interposing Hand, weird specialized roleblock that only blocks kills AND informs me if it happens
3 apprentice- Chain Lightning, vig two people

[Gammagooey]

One of Empking/MrSuave claims next, when either of you get on go ahead and claim.

[Gammagooey]

Karma- I don't think that it'll be a "spell" for the mafia that could be seen by Andrius' magicz, but instead that it's a factional ability separate from the other parts of role PMs.

I said I was useless at zero apprentices, TBM interpreted that incorrectly to mean that I had no zero apprentice ability.

Apprentice targets would be good I think.

[Gammagooey]

The only part I was joking on was the idea that I'd be auto-confirmed town if I Neighborized someone. I know that I'm not a Masonizer, so.

But you would be auto-confirmed an alignment to a person, either town or scum.

Dear SSBF, I've said it before and I'll say it again, confirmed ability does not equal confirmed alignment.

Your opinion is me is especially silly. Do you think I'm fakeclaiming vig as mafia, and went as far as breadcrumbing the kill flavor but NOT claiming the kill on Kmd? And you apparently don't think that giving me my shiny vig is a good thing even though it would force theoretical mafia-me to kill someone scumtastic and then look terribly surprised when there's only one kill? (unless you think I'm a mafia that can kill twice with only one apprentice or something weird like that)

[Gammagooey]

Unvote

Til' massclaim is done. Remind me to share any remaining relevant secrets once it's over too.

[Gammagooey]

Draaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam why didn't you give me vig loving ;_;

[Gammagooey]

But you thought it was a vig anyway : /

Budja why'd you power Divination if you think Andrius is a good lynch?

[Gammagooey]

MAGIC

But mostly you thought powering Evo was a better bet for Kmd's plan yesterday, I'm just sad that you changed your mind.

[Gammagooey]

Wait so False Life lets us see alignment at the time that they would normally die? Ask Spy if you're not sure pleeeeease.

[Gammagooey]

Oh right secrets- I'm pretty sure from the way this stuff is folding out that only one of RC/Karma/Andrius is scum- Forcing your buddy with the scummiest sounding spells to claim early and seemingly unprepared would be a TERRIBLE move on Andrius' part, especially since if he and his divination spells are scum it's a lot more likely to be a full rolecop that he toned down to a namecop to stand out less, and rolecopping a fellow maf is in fact silly. Karma's been pushing on the spells being scummy from the get-go, which seems pretty unlikely to be coming from an RC scum-partner since it keeps up even after a few people are doubtful of using scummy-sounding claims for a basis of lyanchans.
I had more secrets but they were on guessing who the PRs are and have for the most part been flat out wrong sooooo forget about those.

Divination is tea leaves and crystal balls. No killing here.

Obviously you loaded crystal balls into a ICBM for your own SPECIALIZED magic missle =O

SSBF- If you could talk with SpyreX a bit and figure out EXACTLY what happens and how/when it happens if someone that you cast False Life on gets lynched that day it would be awesome.

[Gammagooey]

Hot damn Parama's 2 apprentice spell is sexy.

So the more Reaper posts the more I think he's just waiting to get lynched and not give any info on his scumbuddies in the meantime. A vote on Parama of all people? reaaaaaaally?
Empking and MrSuave still need opinions, but if Suave doesn't show up by the deadline day he'll just get modkilled for inactivity regardless of who gets lynched so I'm not worrying about that TOO much.

[Gammagooey]

SSBF I really really want you to talk to SpyreX and figure out EXACTLY what will happen if Reaper gets lynched today, because I think by next day it means next GAME day, and having to wait until the end of day 3 for a flip would be seriously terrible. And I have no idea what you're talking about with having time to find potential scum partners after the lynch, I'm 99.9% sure that the lynch will end the day period, regardless of whether Reaper actually flips from it or not.

[Gammagooey]

also, gut vote.

Vote:Empking

[Gammagooey]

So, gamma, ready for that Reaper lynch now?

Not until MrSuave and Empking have opinions. And MrSuave isn't even going to get modkilled now grararararararararaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh.

Also I'm on kind of Limited Access again while the carpet gets redone in the only room of my house that I can put a router in, but there's a coffee shop less than a mile from my house so I should still be able to check in once a day.

[Gammagooey]

Eh, actually, voting now just to make sure I'm able to before deadline wouldn't be terrible. HOWEVER, if you hammer before either the deadline day or MrSuave and Empking post opinions, I WILL Murder you.

Unvote
Vote: ReaperCharlie

I THINK that's L-2 but you should probably double check before putting down another vote.

[Gammagooey]

Oh hey I have internet back.

Hey SSBF, if you think I'm scum please say why, I'd appreciate that a lot more than OH NOES WE BETTER NOT GIVE HIM APPRENTICE.
Also, you should use your guild mark (Heart of Stone) on Parama today (as in you need to PM SpyreX about it before the lynch goes through) I doubt that you'll be getting any more apprentices and Parama is pretty much more useful than you are in every way.

Gamma, are you really accusing me of having no opinions while hopping and sheeping onto my wagon?

Considering that you haven't said SHIT about what your read is on anyone and why, and the post that you supposedly started a wagon with is completely devoid of any reasoning for why Reaper is scum,

ASctually I'll just.

Vote: RC

WHY YES, you don't have any godamn opinions. Would you like to hear mine?

My opinion is that you and Reaper are useless scummy pieces of crap and the more you and Reaper spout huffy excuses and ridiculous WIFOM respectively instead of actually stating who's scum and why, the less I care about this game and who gets lynched today. In fact.

Unvote

Hey Parama

, I'm psuedo-proxying my vote to you for the rest of the day, assuming that you choose one of {RC, Empking, MrSuave, SSBF} for the lynch. Vote one and I'll follow without question.

[Gammagooey]

@Gammagooey: About the Guild Mark, I'll think about it. He is currently one of my strongest town read in this game and I definently don't want him to die. I will do it if I receive no apprentices ToNight. However, like others, it is very well possible that he is a scum, so I can't rule out that possibility. That really depends on what happens during Day 2 and Twilight 2.

If Parama dies tonight and suddenly tommorrow you're "Oh noes there's nobody townie-enough around here to give this to", You gettan lynched. Just FYI.

As a side note, PERSONALLY I think all the L-1 why didn't he die talk is kinda silly considering I stated quite clearly that I'd murder anyone who hammered him before Suave and Empking gave opinions. Which they still haven't.

Also, Parama votes someone not on my awesome list . I need to reread Andrius/RC a little in case they're the two leading wagons at deadline and I have to choose, but personally I think Empking is a better bet for scum than either of them sooooooooooooo.

Vote:Empking

[Gammagooey]

Gawwwwd Reaper you're trying to do vote analysis but leaving out all the little psychological stuff that actually makes it work. Maf all piling onto one wagon tend to get CAUGHT, hence they do it very very rarely out of paranoia for being caught even if it's the best option for their team at the time. Also, if you had been hammered earlier and flipped town, I would have 100% pushed for the person who hammered you with no alternative barring anything short of a scum claim by someone else the next day.

Also as previously stated, I have internets back earlier than I thought I would, so if it gets near deadline and it's looking like it might be a no lynch, I can change. Until then, I'll don't feel like compromising again with someone I'm not as sure about, and will keep my vote on the guy I most think is scum, who also irritates me the most by still existing. Side note: If you want to convince me earlier than that, make Parama do it, cause he's town where as you are ???.

Double Side note:
MRSUAVE WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU I MEAN COME ON NOW THIS IS SILLY. MORE POSTS.

[Gammagooey]

See Reaper I would feel so much better about this lynch if you actually understood what was going on ITT. Budja worships Evocation, which gives me a vig TOMMORROW night. Thar will be no kill other than a mafia kill unless there are some SERIOUS shenanigans going on.

[Gammagooey]

Damnit it's deadline day isn't it. Here's to hoping I'm wrong about things, I'll be voting Andrius a few hours before deadline hits.

If Andrius flips town AND I die lynch Karma for me. If he tries WIFOM bullshit about me dying please remind him that he's a DOCTOR. And Parama is Still town who is worth approximately as much as every other player in this game combined, so listen to him.

Karma if I'm wrong about you and you ARE town then I would very heavily advise using either the roleblock or the doc instead of your two apprentice ability UNLESS it stops kills(once again, ask spyreX if you're not sure), because pretty much everyone worth giving abilities to already has them except Budja IMO, and it's pretty unlikely that he or another town apprentice would be targeted with many actions unless people specifically target him as part of a plan. If you want to arrange stuff that's fine but without planning stuff in advance I'm not seeing your two apprentice ability as useful unless you get really lucky.

Budja's apprentice plan is good and Ummmmmmm...I think that's about it. See ya later today.

[Gammagooey]

That would actually be crazy useful assuming you don't get modkilled, as long as you hold everyone except yourself even if it stops apprentices from doing anything you wouldn't be blocked so I would still get a vig the next night.

[Gammagooey]

Should I just vote Andrius now? I'm not completely sure what SpyreX will do if a lynch and a probable modkill are both waiting for him when he gets back but I can't really see it hurting matters any further : /

[Gammagooey]

Maybe he'll feel nice and let him keep the mass roleblock in place or something. And seven hours isn't THAT far from ten hours I guess >.>

Vote: Andrius

[Gammagooey]

I think SSBF worded everything differently and then put it in a shiny box, RC's looks a lot worse : /

[Gammagooey]

Waiting gaaaaaaaaammmmmmeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssss.

[Gammagooey]

Cause Parama is town and his two apprentice ability is basically doccing THREE people.

[Gammagooey]

Nah, he's apprenticing me, since we're not sure if his mass roleblock thing stops apprentices from doan their thing and vigging people is awesome.
Basically all the people in parenthesis are the plan in case RC gets modkilled or apprentice stuff works through the blocking
RC(+Budja)--> Evocation Gamma-vig
(Dram+MrSuave)--> Illusion Parama-uber-doc
(Empking)--> Not trusted enough to actually be a part of any plan.

Dear Andrius. I am amused.

[Gammagooey]

Or if they get combined into a hideous LIGHTNING-ROPE MONSTER GRAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRR

[Gammagooey]

Eh, if for some reason SSBF and RC were to both guild mark we could do that but SSBF apparently thinks my spells are scummy so I doubt he'd worship me AND he'd have to send it in before the lynch which I don't think is happening.

I'll be pretty satisfied with my one vig a night though, it gets a lot harder to target two at once since you can't see one flip first anyway.

[Gammagooey]

Wait a minute, there's something different about those lights and the ones that were on Budja yesterday.
THEY'RE BLACKLIGHTS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS?
LYNCH PARTY AT EMPKINGS HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUSE

Vote: Empking

But seriously, I'm pretty sure town wins once the following people are all dead-{Empking, Dramonic, MrSuave, SSBF}, I've personally felt pretty okay about Dram about for most of the game but the votecounts do make him look fairly fishy AND I was hella wrong about Karma/Andrius soooooo yeah. SSBF should Heart of Stone Parama tonight btw.

[Gammagooey]

Well yeah, you better not be stealing my secrets along with my ideas though, i need Thoooooooooooooose

[Gammagooey]

@Mod/SpyreX

:Is Enchantment supposed to still be one of the Guild-Sponsored Schools of Magic?

There are no mistakes. Powerful Wizards are above such things.

[Gammagooey]

SSBF already used his guild mark? Sexy.

So I'm not really seeing how we can lose at this point with an Empking lynch, (I have ONE LAST secret as to why he's a better lynch than Suave/Dram, and it's not part of his play although that has also been terrible) basically if there's what I think is the worst-case scenario, he's scum, and if it isn't the worst-case scenario, then he's still damn-likely scum. Cookie to anyone who can figure out what I'm getting at and also for anyone else who votes Empking.

And if you get more apprentices than the ability you want you can choose whatever ability you have that number of apprentices for or more for so don't worry about getting exact numbers, and I still call dibs on Budja-apprentice, I guess Suave and Dram should stick with Parama again and RC and SSBF can do whatever.

[Gammagooey]

Hmm.

@Mod/SpyreX:

MrSuave hasn't posted in any game since June 30th, would he be modkilled if we lynched Empking Saturday? (one week+the two day night) Or would we have to wait until the day of the deadline? (next Wednesday)

As it sits, Saturday.

[Gammagooey]

Kay.

YOU HEARD THE MAN, EMPKING LYNCH ON SATURDAY, BRING YOUR OWN BOOZE.

Unvote

[Gammagooey]

PROBLEM SOLVED

[Gammagooey]

I would point to this previous Star Control game SpyreX hosted but the forum move took away the lynch scene I would point to- basically once the lynch went through since Rosso Carne hadn't posted all that game day he was killed along with the lynchee (Dry-fit).
Besides, a day and a half more isn't a long wait. If Suave can be bothered to show up and post reads then yeah back to Empking-lynch alone though.

[Gammagooey]

I'm guessing that the guild mark counts as a night action for the purposes of not being able to do anything else the same night, and that there will be 4 apprentices going into tonight assuming Suave and Empking both bite the dust, {Dram, SSBF,RC, Budja}

Dram and SSBF should go Illusionz tonight btw.

[Gammagooey]

Sorry to have to do this to you thread, but you need to cut this shit out.

[Gammagooey]

It's Saaaaaaaaaaaaaatuuurrrrrrdaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy

Vote:Empking

[Gammagooey]

Let's see, me, SSBF, RC, and Dram today, and Karma earlier.

I DO BELIEVE IT'S PARTY TIME.

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Parama stop ninja'ing me, and MrSuave is ALREADY DEAD.

[Gammagooey]

I'd agree with that, but bet against you for the hell if it if I didn't lose ALL OF MY COOKIES on betting Percy was scum in Mafia in the 11th Hour a while back >.>

[Gammagooey]

I finally have my apprentice =D

But here's the deal ladies and gentlemen.

THE UBER-TOWNS
Parama is STILL town. If he was maf chances are incredibly high that he would have done the kill the night everyone else was blocked, and if maf were smart they would have tried to kill Reaper so if it went through he couldn't say who wasn't blocked.
RC is also ubertown. In addition to preventing a maf kill with his guild mark Andrius made the crazy last minute case on him AND he was the target of Andrius' 1 apprentice ability, which I still think is a rolecop and not a spell-name-cop or whatever Andrius was claiming it to be, and you don't use a rolecop on a maf-partner.

The prob-scumz
Dram by votecount analysis
SSBF by gut

I can elaborate on the votecount stuff if you want but yeah.

Vote:Dramonic

[Gammagooey]

I'm thinking that I'm sucking at actually voting scum this game, that no matter what the last 2 scum are 2/3 of Dram SSBF and Budja, that I have a vig tonight to shoot one of them, and that I can't see a situation where we would lose at this point.

I'm also thinking that it would be really, really silly of me to fakeclaim vig, but based on my reads being dicks this game I don't really blame you for being suspicious of me.

[Gammagooey]

Durr because no lynching when you have a vig is ALWAYS the best idea.

[Gammagooey]

Oh what I was doing votecount stuff and he got hammered already. And I will be shooting someone in the face, I've been waiting ALL GAME for this and it's not going to take away a mislynch considering that we're at even numbers. I'll post what I have done of the votecounts and an uber-summary so I don't feel like I just wasted this time >.>

Durf:

So I probably shouldn't have done this one in particular but Example votecountz-(2nd votecount)

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 7

Budja

- 1 - Super Smash Bros. Fan - (L-6)

Empking

- 1 -

Gammagooey

- (L-6)

Gammagooey

- 3 -

Andrius

,

TheButtonmen

,

Empking

- (L-4)

Karma

- 3 -

Parama

, Dramonic, Budja - (L-4)

Parama

- 1 -

Karma

- (L-6)

Super Smash Bros. Fan

- 1 -

Kmd4390

- (L-6)

TheButtonmen

- 2 -

ReaperCharlie, MrSuave

- (L-5)

Players not voting:

None

All dead townies, myself, RC, and Parama are colored green because they are in fact, all town.


The first IMPORTANT vote count is this one

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 7

Andrius

- 4 -

Karma

,

Kmd4390

, Super Smash Bros. Fan,

Gammagooey

- (L-3)

Dramonic

- 1 -

MrSuave

- (L-6)

Gammagooey

- 3 -

Andrius

,

TheButtonmen, Empking - (L-4)

Karma

- 2 - Dramonic, Budja - (L-5)

ReaperCharlie

- 1 - ReaperCharlie - (L-6)

Players not voting:

Parama

Hot damn you guys were busy.

Yes, only apprentices acted N0.

This is right after the swing off of Karma due to his doc claim


LOLSUMMARY: Dram goes straight from voting Karma to unvoting to TBM, following Andrius' vote even before Parama's megacase on TBM, then later was on the RC wagon next to Andrius, and was fairly far down wagon-wise on Andrius when he got lynched.
Man that could have been so much better but he's already lynched soooooooo.

[Gammagooey]

Oh more importantly ALL APPRENTICES ON ILLUSION TONIGHT, if Parama keeps getting 3 protections while he's immune to death getting to 4 people and only 1 scum=not MYLO but two mislynches.

[Gammagooey]

well, two lynches I guess, not mislynches, but you know what I mean

[Gammagooey]

I'll tell you that my kill will be one of Budja/SSBF =O

Actually assuming that Dram flips scum I'm shooting SSBF in the face no question. If he flips TOWN then

Well shit

and it's

WIFOM

Random.org time between the two cause they both scum : /

Psst hey Reaper Parama still isn't scum.

[Gammagooey]

Dear RC- No. Really now, look through the thread and look at how dumb it would be for me to help start a massclaim and fakeclaim vig when a single person giving me an apprentice d2 OR d3 would have meant I would have had to come up with a whole lot of story to explain why I didn't get my vigkill.

Parama- I think SSBF is the last scum and that town basically has an autowin if Dram flips scum, why would I not shoot to speed things up?

[Gammagooey]

lynches are not cooler than pewpew-beams. You are a liar sir.
And why'z SSBF town aside from giving you the guild mark?

[Gammagooey]

Meh. Parama do you want to be absolutely sure that there isn't a kill tonight by having me use my guild mark instead of vigging? It's weird but it would work if you make RC Budja and SSBF untargetable and I use it before SpyreX posts the lynch.

[Gammagooey]

Huh. I didn't have time to actually use the guild mark before SpyreX posted the scene so I'm guessing they shot at someone else unless Parama WIFOM'd and protected me anyway.

Vote:SSBF

Budja's comments regarding Andrius the day he was lynched don't look like bussing to me, SSBF's sudden turnaround from Karma's scum to believing his claim d1 STILL gets to me, and he's never been on a scum lynch at the end of the days.

[Gammagooey]

Budja you stole my words on the nightless stuff.

No offense guys but if you really think that I planned a

vig claim as maf

from my

very first post

I am fairly disapointed in you.

This is pretty much the entire reason why I think Budja is town:

Excellent.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Andrius

Gut still tells me Emp is more likely scum but I like your reminder point re. Andrius connection's.

I just have a hell of a hard time seeing scum jump onto the wagon of their buddy as the second vote for him and not even say he's the most likely scum, and that he's better for connections than actual chance of hitting scum. I just can't imagine it coming from a scum mindset. SSBF's getting off the doc to avoid suspicion d1 and giving lip service to the scum wagon but not joining it d2? That's much much more likely to be scumz IMO.

[Gammagooey]

Gawd, I just got hammered? This is the first time I've ever been lynched as town on this site. Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh.

[Gammagooey]

Reaper and Parama, don't be dumb and lynch each other, and SSBF is probably the way to go for a faster win. Kthanks and good game.

[Gammagooey]

It's even more sad because I don't even think there were any scum on my wagon : /.
Bluhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

And seriously breadcrumbing the mafia kill method in my first post to fake a vig claim would have been mindblowingly retarded unless I thought we could make it to endgame without getting any of my partners lynched. I'm not stupid.

[Gammagooey]

I was SLEEPING. And I only had one vote on me when I went to sleep! I just woke up to see that I was ALREADY DEAD ;_;

Unless you mean the vig breadcrumb, which I've brought up like 6 times already.

[Gammagooey]

Maaaaaaaaaaaaan my reads sucked all game.

Parama played an awesome scum game and the town barely even trying the first few days were the biggest factors in the scum win though I think, Parama being one of the only people that looked like they were scumhunting helped a hell of a lot and having two townies that weren't even playing the game made votecount analysis and such a whole lot harder.

Good game Parama, you had me fooled til a bit after my last breath >.>

[Gammagooey]

WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
SPYREX IS WORKING ON A SETUP LIKE THIS BUT LARGER AND EPICER.

I WAS ENCOURAGING HIM AFTER COMPLAINING THAT YOU WERENT MODKILLED.

I want to see the last Star Control setup first, I don't suck nearly as much at those >.>

[Gammagooey]

Dead quicktopic was in fact, pretty dead. By the time I got there Andrius was the only one left keeping up with the game I think : /