Mini 983: It Got Worse (GAME OVER)

[SocioPath]

Vote: RayFrost

I figure I would vote him before he gets replaced.
REPLACED AS PER ALWAYS.

[SocioPath]

What are you doing with your vote on RayFrost? Are you pressuring him to replace out or something?

He doesn't need pressure for that.

[SocioPath]

That'll put the fear of God into him.

Aw man, THAT'S who I should have picked!

Vote: SocioPath.

What are you doing with your vote on RayFrost? Are you pressuring him to replace out or something?

There is so much wrong with this post not apparent with a first glance.

Unvote
Vote: Nikanor

[SocioPath]

Awww. I think that means you're town, SP. AmIright?

I'll leave that question to the philosophers.

[SocioPath]

BETTER DEAD THAN ED.

[SocioPath]

You say that he is refusing to explain the vote, so I would for one be putting a whole lot of pressure on the fact that he is not expanding on the vote. Trying to see if its serious, if it is for what reasons, etc. Randomly voting a new player (massive pet peeve of mine to start) is the last thing I would consider doing.

Oooor Nik knew exactly what he was doing when he posted his post.
And knew that by picking up on it, that I was actually being useful, hence the dumb comment about me being town.
Maybe that is why he doesn't need my vote on him explained: as he already knew why I voted.

LF is looking pretty terrible.

Unvote
Vote:LlamaFluff

Nik is still bad as in everything I posted above might not be the case, or even if it is, it all still applies.

[SocioPath]

Reading is tech.
Conprehension is the future.

[SocioPath]

Was the vote on Nik random or not?

No.



And MO and Spy are always like that.

[SocioPath]

Was the vote on Nik random or not?

No.

I dont get it then. You must also remember subtlety is lost on me

The problem for you is that such isn't a problem for me.

[SocioPath]

I feel my reads are better when I actually know more about the thought process of players and Im not sure I have whats happening here right.

The problem is that "reads" aren't always town based.

But I think I pry'd what I needed to.

So shuuuuur, let us analize Nik's post that cause my vote on him:

That'll put the fear of God into him.

Aw man, THAT'S who I should have picked!

Vote: SocioPath.

What are you doing with your vote on RayFrost? Are you pressuring him to replace out or something?

There is the post.

LETS DO IT,
BREAK IT DOWN.

Vote: SocioPath.

What are you doing with your vote on RayFrost?

What is with this questioning?
You act like the vote is being wasted.
And yet ignore a modvote, and a vote on a non-player. (???)
But MY vote was the bad one, because RF wasn't around. OH NOES.

Are you pressuring him to replace out or something?

How can a non-entity be pressured to do anything?
And no one ever pressure-votes lurkers in general.

But how does this line of thinking work?
A person joins a game, sees on the first page someone voting him because he flakes a lot...and then goes "OMG I MUST FLAKE, I CANNOT RESPOND TO SUCH ATTACKS"

But all this, this is all the magic that the first part of the post is:

That'll put the fear of God into him.

Aw man, THAT'S who I should have picked!

So...Nik calls ME out for voting someone not here due to lack of confirming...but right here says
"OH I SEE YOU VOTING FOR A V/LA.
THAT IS FINE WITH ME
IN FACT, THAT IS WHAT I SHOULD HAVE DONE."


So Nik supports a V/LA vote while at the same time voting me for doing the same thing.

IS THIS SPELLED OUT ENOUGH FOR YOU?
I would understand if English wasn't your first language.

But I can't be the only one in this game that sees such things.

[SocioPath]

Well I can see a Nik+LF team.

Their interactions are silly.

[SocioPath]

See, as it stands I'm leaning more scummy on you, SP. But you're just this guy, see, and you always are scummy. So, a little more arguing should help me figure out if you are crazy awesome town SP or disruptively annoying scum SP. Fortunately, I have a lot of scum SP to look at. Seems you draw scum a lot.

U MAD?



Even when I am "disruptively annoying scum"...

...I STILL CATCH SCUM.

[SocioPath]

Only when bussing makes more sense, SP

I also catch scum that isn't scum with me.
Sometimes even singlehandedly taking down a whole scum team as scum, which has happened on more than one occassion.

[SocioPath]

Want to see a response to my last post by SP before I decide what I do next.

Wat.





And don't worry UK, SX knows how I roll. ;o
And I know that he LIKES LEADING TOWNS TO LOSSES AFTER I CATCH ALL THE SCUM. >;O


A LLAMAFLUFFSCUM is looking super likely.

SPS isn't looking good, but then again, he never does.

[SocioPath]

Neat, a scummy post by ED.

[SocioPath]

AND MAKE A MISTAKE ONE TIME

One time?
Forgetting games are we?

Want to see a response to my last post by SP before I decide what I do next.

Wat.

*STUFF*

You said you wanted me to respond to your last post.
Your last post previous to that post was nothing to respond to.

sociopath, cause he's hard to read, in my experience.

NOT TODAY.

I never saw anything about RF being V/LA

RF is a flaky flake.

Its not that he isn't V/LA. Its that he likely isn't in the game at all.
And I have done the same votes against him before.
And he did end up getting replaced.

And Nik was in that game.
So that might be what Nik is trying to get at.
Especially since the replacement caused Nik to lose.



And for MO: I'm not going to respond to your silliness, when you call me out on my conclusions...and yet Nik doesn't.
Obviously they aren't completely invalid, or Nik would have been the first in line to clarify.

[SocioPath]

I never saw anything about RF being V/LA

RF is a flaky flake.

Its not that he isn't V/LA. Its that he likely isn't in the game at all.
And I have done the same votes against him before.
And he did end up getting replaced.

And Nik was in that game.
So that might be what Nik is trying to get at.
Especially since the replacement caused Nik to lose.

So you compared flaky to V/LA? You also already said that it wasnt an in-joke between you and Nik, which at this point it apparently was.

This line of thought is dumb and misleading. In-joke? Quit trying to lace posts with devenomizing words.

Stop trying to fight Nik's non-existent battles, you aren't doing a very good job of it.
All it is doing is making you look worse.
And doesn't change my opinion of Nik.

[SocioPath]

I agree with SP.

[SocioPath]

This line of thought is dumb and misleading. In-joke? Quit trying to lace posts with devenomizing words.

How is basing a (somewhat joking) vote on something that only Nik would know not an in-joke? I reacted to what looked like a baseless attack, and you responded as if I should have known of the event that I had no good way of knowing of.

Its not a joke.
Flakers are annoying.
Stop undermining my actions by saying everything I do is a joke.

@sociopath:

I humbly demand that sociopath please make a response to my comment, preferably of an elucidating variety.

/\

And for MO: I'm not going to respond to your silliness, when you call me out on my conclusions...and yet Nik doesn't.
Obviously they aren't completely invalid, or Nik would have been the first in line to clarify.

/\

Socio's end of 117 is completely bogus. Because one person doesn't refute your shitty points doesn't mean that they aren't shitty.

No its not.
That "one person" is the person whom made the original statement, try to keep up.
MO was talking about conclusions I got from Nik's post.
My conclusion was accurate in that Nik didn't refute it.


Seriously, this game is starting to feel like babysitting a bunch of crayon eatters.

[SocioPath]

Ok fine, inside-information if you really insist upon it. What is not changing is that you were basing it on something that I did not, and could not have known, yet turning around and attacking me like I should have.

Nice misrep.
That is not what happened at all.

So.. other people can't comment on your shitty points? Just because Nik didn't refute it doesn't mean they didn't deserve to be refuted.

What the fuck are you even talking about.
You make fucking zero sense.
Stop talking.

[SocioPath]

Why are you impossible?

Because it catches scum.

[SocioPath]

My results are far more accurate and likely than getting shocked by sticking a fork in a light socket.

[SocioPath]

No, because I believe you're more likely to stick a fork in a light socket than to find scum.

I found YOU in LRC v1.

But I don't need to start spouting off my credentials.
Its annoying in that every game I'm in I have to go 'YES I DO WHAT I DO WELL. HERE IS PROOF. LINK LINK LINK LINK"

Go meta me, or shut up.

[SocioPath]

You found Ray, not me.

This is a blatant lie.

Besides, fuckall @ meta.

Don't say this directly after saying this:

No, because I believe you're more likely to stick a fork in a light socket than to find scum.

But you did convince me for now.

Unvote
Vote: Amished

[SocioPath]

Yep, more likely to find a fork in a light socket than scum. That was based on this game, not any meta.

Shut up Ed, your hypocrisy is showing.

I shouldnt have to spend four pages of the game guessing what convoluted reason you are voting me for.

Stop acting like its a requirement that should know such in the first place.

[SocioPath]

I forgot about the other game I was in with SocioPath

And Merkabah in Portal?
Its sad that I have trouble keeping up with all your hydras...but still do a better job at it than you.

Ray was posting when UK and SP hopped on him as us-scum (we were a hydra).

Still wrong to the point of a blatant lie.

[SocioPath]

Now see, as Lord Meta-Hater, Ph.D I can get behind this normally but considering what else you were talking about no way is that a self-contained statement.

Why in the hell would you lie about it?

Unvote, Vote: Amished

Either way, not like Amished at this time.

HOPE YOU GOT YOUR FORKS READY.

Or so I heard.

I was half expecting this to be blue.

[SocioPath]

Neat, the game exploded.

Things that stand out that aren't a rehash:


Well, SK is scum with ED. That much is obvious.

[SocioPath]

Since when does defending another player automatically make someone scum?

It doesn't.
Your handling of such does though.

Is Spy buddies with you two?

This is a serious question.

[SocioPath]

Spy, why is SK's opinion of you so fake?
Is there something you aren't telling us?

[SocioPath]

Urrrrg.

I think I am going to take the heat off ED for now, because SK is actually even more likely to be scum.

Unvote
Vote: SaintKerrigan

[SocioPath]

Its at the top of the page, Ed.

Read that post of SK's.

[SocioPath]

@SP: I did. It made logical sense to me; seeing two like situations (both attacking SPS for the dayprotect thing) and only seeing one person get attacked for it. From there, the person being attacked is most likely town and scum are generating the attack since it's not a bilateral attack (and the other attacker of SPS is therefore scum). That's half the reason I've switched my vote to RC off of SPS, because it made sense both logically and in mafia-context.

That only covers the last paragraph.
Which those types of responses come from scum anyways.
("Why attack X when Y did the same thing?")

Now look at the first paragraph which is about SpyreX.

[SocioPath]

Broadcast: Using the base 10 number system, of my last 3 votes, what is the number of those 3 that were placed on a non-town player?

SocioPath gains a point for being a smartass.

[SocioPath]

Hmmmmmmmm...

Not liking Amished's latest post at all.

This.

But I'm also slightly more convinced of RC scum by it.

But not this.


What I think I am seeing here is what happens when you have scum defend a buddy, and trying to explain that buddy's actions, with trying very hard to not incriminate either of them.

[SocioPath]

Broadcast: Using the base 10 number system, of my last 3 votes, what is the number of those 3 that were placed on a non-town player?

SocioPath gains a point for being a smartass.

What does this red text mean?
I think someone is screwing with my posts, I

most definately wrote

that.

DERP DE DERP.

SocioPath gains a point for being slow.

[SocioPath]

Don't think we are on the same wavelength, SP. We rarely are though.

We were when it came to Ed last time.

[SocioPath]

SP, then you're tunneled hopelessly.

Yes, and only with an SP tunnel, will you get a tunnel with branches.
Its like a tree tunnel.

[SocioPath]

SK didn't unFoS me, thus you can't FoS magic onion.

It came from that UK, lets not get side tracked.

[SocioPath]

One is red, the other is blue. Unspecific questions yield unspecific answers.

And specific questions will lead to points.

Invalid assumption. I do not hand out points for specificity.

By that logic, obviously points are a good thing.
I am saving mine up for some sweet redeemable prizes.

FOS: UncertainKitten
FOS: SaintKerrigan
FOS: Nikanor
FOS: LlamaFluff
FOS: Steam-Powered Shovel
FOS: magnus_orion
FOS: RayFrost
FOS: Amished
FOS: SpyreX
FOS: RedCoyote
FOS: SocioPath
POS: ???

Only the initial FoS is valid as you cannot have that many. Also, you may not "Piece of Shit" someone.

[SocioPath]

Invalid assumption. I do not hand out points for specificity.

I don't get points for invalid assumptions?
My world got turned umop ap!sdn.

[SocioPath]

Ok, so you don't believe that Syke is .. the author? The stereotypical murdered host? I'm not sure what you were trying to say with your speculation.

She is saying there is a mod group fan club where all of them take things from the others because they like their styles and ideas.
And then they join each others' games.

I resent that.

[SocioPath]

Outguessing the mod is also a lot easier when they do that though...
...cause then it is more like...trying to outguess yourself!

[SocioPath]

Go read 269.
Both are there.

[SocioPath]

Also, you may not "Piece of Shit" someone.

UNFOS
FOS: someone

[SocioPath]

Broadcast: What is the number of differing win conditions in this game?

I would say at least two.

Between two and ten.

[SocioPath]

Why is my handing of the defense of Amished scummy?

Your handling of Spy is scummy.

Broadcast: What is the number of differing win conditions in this game?

I would say at least two.

Between two and ten.

This question with numbers gets multiple answers, and yet the first one was otherwise.

Define "otherwise".

[SocioPath]

I believe SP is refering to how you
1. judged spyreX only in relation to the amished wagon as neutral
2. judged spyreX as neutral for doing both of the things your other two suspects had to some degree done.

However, that's just my impression on the matter.
Even if that is not what SP is referring to, care to explain?

And this part:

although he did start the Amished wagon.

PROTIP: He didn't.

[SocioPath]

Define "otherwise".

Otherwise:

Broadcast: Using the base 10 number system, of my last 3 votes, what is the number of those 3 that were placed on a non-town player?

SocioPath gains a point for being a smartass.

[SocioPath]

@ SP: Ok, I goofed and missed your vote. Why does this make me scum?

Individually, it doesn't.
But your post was a trainwreck of scum filled bags of scummy scum.

SocioPath gains a point for bad use of analogies.

[SocioPath]

For safety's sake lets call the blue text Omega. If anyone spots the irony in this they win a prize

sykedoc gains a point for bad use of "irony".

Invalid input.

[SocioPath]

@ SP: Why?

Why what.

[SocioPath]

For safety's sake lets call the blue text Omega. If anyone spots the irony in this they win a prize

sykedoc gains a point for bad use of "irony".

Invalid input.

I MEAN:

BECAUSE THIS GAME BEGAN IN BLUE.

This is a sentence fragment.

[SocioPath]

@ SP: Ok, I goofed and missed your vote. Why does this make me scum?

Ok, you goofed and missed my vote.
No big deal.

Forgot Spyrex was voting Amished too.

My mind doesn't know what the hell to make of Spyrex

, but he seems to have been fairly quiet,

although he did start the Amished wagon

.

Going neutral for now.

Also, to everyone jumping on Amished for what he did, why aren't you giving RedCoyote the same treatment?

This

: Attacks people for the wagon, yet doesn't even know who is on it.

This

: Knows what to make of everyone else on the wagon though, but not Spy.
This:

Leaving my vote on RC because he's gone suspiciously quiet as of late (plus my previous grievances still stand).

This

: Spy started the wagon that SK is attacking people for being on it.

This

: But all this concludes to Spy just being neutral.

This

: "Why X not Y".


And SK doesn't think Spy not starting the wagon is a big deal, despite that was listed in the reasons for SK's opinion on Spy.

[SocioPath]

This is a sentence fragment.

Invalid.
"This is a sentence fragment." is not a sentence fragment.

BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THIS GAME BEGAN IN BLUE, ONE MIGHT CONSIDER SUCH TO BE THAT OF IRONY.

<3

[SocioPath]

And SK doesn't think Spy not starting the wagon is a big deal, despite that was listed in the reasons for SK's opinion on Spy.

In other words:

'I THINK SPY IS TOWN FOR STARTING THE WAGON!'
'...he didn't start the wagon'
'SO? WHATS YOUR POINT? WHERE ARE YOU GOING WITH THIS?'

[SocioPath]

Who said I thought Spy was town for "starting" the wagon?

Yes, call out the word 'town', not the reasoning behind such.
Way to refute THAT statement.

Why do you keep changing the points against me every time I question them?

I don't.

[SocioPath]

Where did I say Spyrex was town for "starting" the Amished wagon?

What I am SAYING is that upon finding out he did not start the wagon, you declined to see that significance.
Despite him starting the wagon was part of your opinion of him.

Stop acting so dense, and pretending you don't understand hyperbole.
Or that single quotation marks imply paraphrasing.

[SocioPath]

'SO? WHATS YOUR POINT? WHERE ARE YOU GOING WITH THIS?'

You never said that either.

No, you are just stuck on the fact that I used the word town to help make a point.

It is cute that you are trying to discredit me though.
I mean, its clear that you can't actually defend against my accusations, so you have to resort to attacking anything you can try to misconstrue.

[SocioPath]

@ SP: So why does me not recognizing the significance of that make me scum?

If you list reasons for why a person is of a certain alignment, and then later find out that those reasons are not true, than naturally that should adjust your opinion on that person.

But when you fabricate an opinion of someone, than you are more likely to hold that opinion, because that is what you were scripted and trained for.

You are sitting there having been shown that your assessments when determining an alignment have been inaccurate, and you are acting like you would have had the same opinion regardless of what was discovered.

[SocioPath]

SP is being surprisingly coherent right now.

AWWW CRAPZZ U R RITE.

Its just that scum can be caught with incoherency just as much as coherency.
And I can do both.

And when it comes to deeper psychological reads, and posts that scream in 10 different ways "I AM SCUM", sometimes it is more useful phrase it in different manners.

OR TO PUT IT IN ANOTHER WAY:

INCOHERENCY CATCHES THE SCUM
COHERENCY REELS THEM IN

AND IVE GOT A LIVE ONE HERE FOLKS

[SocioPath]

I'm assuming by saying SP is being more coherent that you're agreeing, at least in part, with what he's saying about me. Mind elaborating on that?

Heh.

[SocioPath]

An SK wagon?
That might be something that I would want to join.

[SocioPath]

Spy, why is SK's opinion of you so fake?
Is there something you aren't telling us?

[SocioPath]

(Pssst, it might be because you are scum.)

[SocioPath]

magnus_orion - Lawyer Of The Bandwagons:
Find Him A Wagon And He Shall Fight For Their Rights!

[SocioPath]

Expect revised reads later.

These are the best.






Also, the whole thing with RC and ED is dumb for those that still try and compare them.
People seem to forget the whole timing thing with the:
DayProtect
The Reactions
The Revealing Of DayProtect As Fake
Reactions From Those That Noticed Vs. Those That Didn't
Reactions Once Everyone Knew It Was Fake

Guess what?
RC and ED never reacted the same because of the timing.
People have been mudslinging RC for something that few even understand.

That, and misconstrue facts.
I mean, its cool and all, but come on scum, you can at least try harder than that and make it not so obvious.

OR MAYBE THIS GAME IS JUST GETTING TOO EASY FOR ME.

[SocioPath]

I don't know! My brain feels all fuzzy lately and I can't think properly. I'm just going to follow SocioPath around because I think he's town and I know he's a good scumhunter.

So Amish is town then or what?

OBVIOUSLY NOT AS I DO NOT THINK ED IS TOWN.
NEITHER IS SPY OR LF OR NIK
IN THAT ORDER

[SocioPath]

Asked him not you.

I'm just going to follow SocioPath

SocioPath wrote:

[SocioPath]

He doesn't need a reason as much as SK needs votes.

SO ILL LET IT SLIDE.

[SocioPath]

Humor me and make him answer.

THERE
HE DID
HAPPY?

To be completely honest, I'd like to see RedCoyote and Spy hang first, in that order.

Spy hanging before SK is silly.

I'll defer to SP's lynch

O RLY? >:O
THIS CAN BE ARRANGED.

[SocioPath]

NO I AM SAYING I AM THE BEST LYNCH
DUH

[SocioPath]

CAUSE I CAUGHT ALL THE SCUMS AND DOESNT AFRAID OF ANYTHING

[SocioPath]

I'll defer to SP's lynch though because a) I'm usually wrong and b) he seems to actually know the reasons for which he finds people scummy.

[SocioPath]

Humor me and make him answer.

THERE
HE DID
HAPPY?

Yep. I was right in my suspicions too apparently

Yeah, and that is why you are scum.

Aw, you've got me there SocioPath. I'll just follow along with you and lynch SocioPath once we lynch SK, RC, and Spy, I guess.

That does not work for me at all.

[SocioPath]

Why yes MO, SK -IS- way too self concerned with his own survival to be town.

Because I don't like getting lynched any more than the next guy (well, unless the next guy's a jester). I tend to try and avoid suspicion as a result.

I BATHE IN SUSPICION.

[SocioPath]

His opinion?
'WHYYYYY NOOOOOT RC???'

[SocioPath]

MAN EVERYONE HERE IS LURKING FOR DAYS.

[SocioPath]

Is UK claiming scum by saying she isn't posting enough for people to catch her as scum, hence the lack of scum hunting?

[SocioPath]

No wit needed to say "people without stances are scum".
Phrase it how you like, but that has been the main theme for a while now.

[SocioPath]

But see, everyone already has their stances, so no one is budging.
You are just perpetuating that further.
YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM, NOT THE SOLUTION.

SOLUTION:

SOCIOPATH IS THE ONLY PERSON GETTING LYNCHED TODAY, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THE ENTIRE SCUM TEAM CLAIMS.

DISCUSS.

[SocioPath]

IMMAPINATA

Also I won't appear as one of the 3 choices for characters I made.
I'll say that now before speculation on other roles for "I know you, and you most likely wouldn't have picked ____ for one of your three."

Ironically, it theoretically COULD have been something that I would have chosen.

[SocioPath]

People trying to get reads on me at this point are scum.
GETTING A READ ON ME IS USELESS AS I AM GOING TO BE LYNCHED REGARDLESS.

I could be the paragon of all things townie and it WON'T MATTER BECAUSE I'LL BE DEAD FIRST.

[SocioPath]

Listen peoples, unless one of you can daykill, I am THE lynch.

I am a pinata.

I give every single person in the game a new ability when I die.

D1 is the time when the town has the biggest majority.

Therefore town would recieve the largest boost from my death on D1.

And if BEING D1, means scum can't do shit before it happens.

Meaning going into N1, the town is at its peak for potential power.

Adding the fact that I already caught all the scums for you, and my flip will confirm my alignment is just icing on the cake.

And what kind of party has cake, and pinatas, and icing?

THE BEST KINDS.

[SocioPath]

In this order:

SK, ED, Spy, LF, Nik

If two of the first three flips are town though, switch to RC.

[SocioPath]

Don't negate the fact that scum also get abilities.
The balancing factor is the double edged sword of it.

But Beginning of D1 is when town generally speaking has the largest majority, meaning largest majority of pro-town night actions on N1.

[SocioPath]

The only problem I have is that scum get a bonus too, which I would like to think induces them to NK you.

Eh, I don't want to be NK'd because of the fact that a whole nother cycle of killing will go through before abilities are used. (Assuming no day abilities.)

And like I said, being daykilled is the most preferable option, as if there ARE any day abilities, getting the option out there D1 would be best.

[SocioPath]

To start off with: I don't see how my role could possibly be improved by a pinata.

Why? Are you a mafia SK cult leader with the ability of:
DO WHATEVER YOU WANT, JUST SEND IN AN ACTION AND ITS DONE.

SP, you should've shut up as this allowed everyone an out. (Nik comes to mind).

This is a dumb line of thought to assume my claim ceases all scum hunting both before and after my claim.

[SocioPath]

Socio, why didn't you claim this information earlier?

@SK: Oh, I dunno. Maybe he wanted us to ACTUALLY TRY SCUMHUNTING BEFORE DEADLINE.

[SocioPath]

Socio can be lynched today if you guys lynch me on Day 2.

Ok?

Deal.

[SocioPath]

Stop screwing up my scum reads by being scum, SC.

[SocioPath]

Still have no idea what I gave everyone.

Still ignored after my death.