Mini 983: It Got Worse (GAME OVER)

[UncertainKitten]

Vote skyedoc

Invalid vote. There is no "skyedoc".

Obvscum. Knows the mafier and won't tell us, etc.

[UncertainKitten]

8) Lynching for the most part is to your benefit. No lynches are not recommended but if you all make it clear that's what you want I'll consider it. You can also lynch the mod, if that's what you REALLY want.

Invalid vote. There is no "skyedoc".

Huh?

@Llama: Has that EVER stopped me before?

[UncertainKitten]

Goddammit shit! I could have done that!

Unvote, Vote sykedoc

[UncertainKitten]

To be fair, I lost as third party in Pledge. Got endgamed by scum. Admittedly, surviving not one, but two cop results WAS hilarious.

[UncertainKitten]

This is shaping up to be a hilarious game. I'm quite interested in seeing where SP vs. Llama goes and expect to have a good read on at least one of them soon ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

See, as it stands I'm leaning more scummy on you, SP. But you're just this guy, see, and you always are scummy. So, a little more arguing should help me figure out if you are crazy awesome town SP or disruptively annoying scum SP. Fortunately, I have a lot of scum SP to look at. Seems you draw scum a lot.

[UncertainKitten]

Only when bussing makes more sense, SP.

In other news, obviously

Response: 3.14

[UncertainKitten]

Er...


EBWOP: Sorry for the page stretch, and there was only supposed to be one 3. there.

[UncertainKitten]

True, when there are more scums to find.

[UncertainKitten]

@SPS: I LIKE USING CAPITAL LETTERS TOO!

But usually just when I'm pissed at stupid. So far, everyone has been smart.

[UncertainKitten]

I have no reason to believe that, Llama. What SP said is true though given past games is what I meant.

[UncertainKitten]

Unfortunately, I lack any relevant commentary at this time. I know, shocking from me. So far I'm still seeing how things are playing out, and can't really add anything. So, rather than raise the noise I guess I figured I'd see if I'd eventually get something to comment on.

And yeah, I'd probably jump off the mod if a serious wagon formed. Usually mod lynches aren't great.

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But clearly i is a number between -1 and 0 :V. Totally.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, as I said, SP is just this guy. But my gut says he's correlating more to Socio scum at the moment. That could potentially change.

[UncertainKitten]

How often have you played with him?

Ongoing. Though LRC and LRC v 2 gave me some impressions, though I was merely backup modding for Kairyuu, so that wouldn't count as playing with him per se.

I generally find mod meta to be more reliable than playing meta. You've watched them the entire game, knowing their alignment, and how they interacted with others, as opposed to a player who only gets half the story until they flip.

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@Mango: He is, but he's catchable. I've seen it done. There's something different that I haven't put my finger on yet.

@Amished: You mean SP

isn't

always like this?

You do, however, have quite a good point on SP being an utter douchiot right now (It's a portmanteau of douchebag and idiot. You like it?)

@SP: It really reads the way Amished laid it out. You are saying that Mango's point is invalid because Nik didn't bring it up, and...I don't see why that matters?

@SK: That's about the same reason I'm not voting him. Like, I want to say he's scum SP at the moment but I don't feel it completely. He is, however, making an utter ass of himself.

@Amished: You are, however, strawmanning SP's scumhunting "style", can it be called that. He's not indicating that his acting outrageous and getting votes will catch scum. It's just that his acting outrageous is a by product of his scumhunting.

Or so I heard.

@Amished: How do you know? That's quite an odd statement to make. We don't KNOW who is scum in this game, and whether SP is attacking the scums or not. So why is it more likely he'd stick a fork in a light socket than catch scum, without anyone, except scum, having knowledge of who the scum are?

@Spy: Yeah, that kinda bugged me to as you can see above.

@SPS: Ok.

@Amished: Why do you believe SPS? How do you know Llama is scum? I cede you know your own alignment, but lately, your posts have VERY MUCH given off a knowing more than you should vibe. The thing with SPS adds to that.


Either way, not like Amished at this time.

[UncertainKitten]

I was planning to, but thought better of it because I knew you were expecting it to be blue. And I have a reputation to keep.

[UncertainKitten]

Wellp, now we know it's fake. Not sure how that gels with my "Too well informed" read of Amished since it could go either way.

[UncertainKitten]

SPS' day protect. Mod just confirmed it as fake

Or he's screwing with us. But yeah.

[UncertainKitten]

/me sighs

Unvote, Vote Amished

Why aren't you scumhunting? Why are you going for "easy targets". That really aren't. You're not looking for actually scummy, you're looking for textbook scummy to see what shit you can get past us. Add that to knowing too much, and for the time being I'm pretty sure you're scum.

@Amished: No, seriously, actually scumhunt. It was pretty obvious it was fake to me, even before the mod gave it away. Again, how does what SPS did at all benefit scum again? Especially with something as obviously silly as what he proposed his action was?

[UncertainKitten]

Clearly we approach things differently, though I'm not convinced you are exactly being honest, of course.

Town is stupid. I have come to this conclusion recently. But town is always going to do something fucktarded that makes you want to



them. Invariably. So, instead of looking for things that make sense as town (though sometimes I will use things that make sense as town to feel good about someone), I look for things that make sense as scum. What SPS did makes not very much sense as scum, because of LAL and the fact it drew attention to him. The obviousness of the fakery also adds to the "Why would scum bother?" thing.

Now, this isn't an irreversible read, but your attacks on SPS read as opportunistic scum at this time.

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP: Don't make sense as town, rather. Looking for things. Catching scum. Ninjas, etc.

[UncertainKitten]

Mango has brought up points I think I briefly thought of and then forgot.

And hell, if I were feeling playful enough I'd probably call a player out on lying (probably with their permission).

Mostly depends on the nature of the game. And this game is clearly one of don't have any expectations.

And see Picto Mafia II where I thought I was oh so super clever and town was dumb, and it turns out we were all fucktards. So, I certainly don't exempt myself from the stupid pills .

Rest assured, deep down inside, I think you're all fucktards.

So, assuming that I expect nothing due to the nature of the game, what then, Amished?

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@Spy: Took me an hour to make that damn animooted gif. Did it awhile ago though. I finally was having enough mafia situations where it would get extensive use.

Either way, I don't mind lol reactions but I prefer to have it somewhat explained, which would indeed be nice from SPS.

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@Amished: See, the problem is, you are using an LAL rhetoric in probably the one case where it DOESN'T actually work. SPS is a derp lynch, and I know you are smarter than that, Amished.

It's obvious that SPS doesn't have scum intent behind his day protect. You still haven't adequately explained how SPS had scum intent, and have now fallen back on "Well townies don't lie >=["

This doesn't work 100% of the time. And this is a case where I think it's more obvious it is, at worst, a null tell.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, lol reactions is basically what I figured SPS was doing it for. And lol reactions, in my experience, is actually a slight town tell.

The fact that it also does very little to absolutely nothing to further any scum agenda also makes it...not scummy. Anti town maybe because it's stupid, but not scummy.

And I feel your attacks aren't genuine, and you are defending a doomed stance because you've been backed into a corner.

In other news, maybe I'm just jaded because I've been in two games where a townie has claimed scum for no apparently reason. Well, the second time was SEMI justified but still "what?"

I've also only seen scum do lol reactions once, IIRC, and town do it three or four times.

As I said, it's a slight town tell to a null tell, but the fact that people are actually attacking him for it definitely raises my eyebrows.

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So...wait...

Amished, what were you saying about meta earlier?

OHHHHHH~!

You found Ray, not me. Besides, fuckall @ meta.

So um...wait...huh?

I've played with SPS a couple times and I don't recall him ever doing something like this so it was out of character for him. Besides, what possible reactions would a protect actually garner? Did he expect scum to come out and say "oooo, I guess we can't kill him now, can we?"? I don't think so. The claim doesn't make sense for "lolreactions" nor does lying about it in the first place, nor does it fit my perception of SPS-town.

Oh, wait, that's something else, isn't it? Please, I want to hear about this.

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You make a valiant effort, but honestly, the sheer stupidity of it is what has me convinced you aren't trying and thought you could get away with a mislynch on LAL grounds.

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As I thought, you'd excuse it as something different.

Except, the excerpt I quoted was basically you saying that SPS is committing a scumtell because he's never done this before as town, which is basically indirectly using meta as a tell ^-^.

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@Amished: The day just started? Why are you giving up? I think you are scummy and I'm answering your points. If something else comes up that's scummier or you suddenly become more pro town, then my vote will move.

Why are you giving up so quickly?

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Oh, I agree it's fucking retarded. But...it doesn't make SPS scum.

When did your argument against SPS go from he's scum to he's retarded?

[UncertainKitten]

So, Amished. It is June 9th, right?

Did I mention the deadline was the 23rd at 11:59pm?

So...you just want to be lynched now, hypothetically as town, despite there being 14 days left in the day? Why?

It's frustrating to be attacked as any alignment, sure. But if you're really getting that irritated, step away from the game for a few minutes.

Now, we'll just ignore how fucking hypocritical I'm being, k ^-^?


Anyway, so, you recall that 12th ??? guy? Do you think he might have been the one who deflated SPS' fakeprotect?

As I said, it was kinda obvious, and if I had the powers that we are assuming ??? ha...

OH HEY, I DID ONCE DIDN'T I!!!

And hey, didn't I abuse them to get things done using the voice of the mod? Hey, I wonder if that could be occurring here!

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@Amished: inconsistency != necessarily scummy. In fact, inconsistency means you aren't trying to keep track of a story/lies in some cases. This is not to say that consistency is a scumtell, but merely that inconsistency isn't always. It all goes back to scum intent.

So he's retarded scum, supposedly. Why? His action probably hurts him more as scum than it does as town, actually. Without a scum motivation, even one that fell flat, I don't understand the SPS attack.

If I missed it, you can link back/quote it and I'll reassess it.

At any rate, I explained your scum motivation. SPS is quite an easy attack to make on the grounds of derp LAL. You went for it, and it backfired. However, had we not been using our brains, it would have been easy to get that mislynch on a stupid townie. Well, in your view.

Mango also addresses that aspect of your scum intent far more elegantly than I did.

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Response: Glork

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@Amished: Mostly it just occured to me. I think the "points" are a hidden player's doing.

Now, you see, this is where we diverge. Just because it's stupid for town doesn't make them scum. You basically are claiming guilty until proven innocent, which is a lot easier for scum than town, IMO.

Ok, the problem with your scum motivations for SPS is that...they don't logically work. You are proposing that SPS was planning to seriously mean his day protect action, which, btw, would not get much town cred on it's own, since it's kinda stupid to publicly protect someone that way, and that he was planning to pass off Llama not dying, less than a week into D1, as his game.

Ok, you know what? I don't know what's wrong with it, except it feels really contrived and overall silly, and Occam's Razor really seems to be screaming at such an explanation, I think.

Oh, and suppose a day vig had appeared and shot Llama? Do you think scum would value a townie of indeterminate power high enough to trade their own life for? Because SPS would be an obv lynch after that. Well, I think he would be. Hard to tell.

Meh, I'm not sure. All I know is you were previously giving me scum vibes and your SPS attacks don't help.

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I did. In Mind Screw II Mafia. Oh, I also lost town the game by being a fucking 2 AM derp. But I was doing cool stuff at first!

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I disagree no reactions have occured, but I really wanna hear SPS elaborate on that, I agree.

The thing is, once the vig happened (if anyone were that stupid), SPS would be getting lynched no matter what he said.

I mean, I guess I see what you are saying, I just don't feel it is true.

Call it gut. I feel like SPS' intentions were obvious, and you're trying to muck up the waters and see if you can get him lynched.

I can't justify this very well though. I still think your earlier behavior is worthy of keeping my vote on you.

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@Amished: Knowing too much. I've said that. You've come off as knowing too much most of the game.

@SK: What did RC do?

@SP: That's nice.

[UncertainKitten]

Gut. RC's attack feels more townie like. Amished feels more opportunist. It's the way the words flow.

Amished, I've pointed this out. I can't be arsed to do it again but it's in my ISO. I think it was the llama read for no apparent reason.

Or something. Yes, I'm aware Llama has done a read on me, but I also feel that I come off easily as town. Llama may or may not. Meh, maybe I do have to go and check...

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Ah right! It was less that you called Llama town but you were assuming he wasn't scum. Semantics, but semantics can be telling.

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A shame we don't have like viewpoints then, Amished.

That also bugs me a little, actually. For "best same-alignment tell".

It makes sense, just feels bad.

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That was about the most brain hurty syntax error filled post I have ever seen Spy. Could you try english?

[UncertainKitten]

The problem is your situations are different, and likening them to same tell, different reactions isn't good.

[UncertainKitten]

Broadcast: Are you, the person typing in red, ??? ?

Player 12 does not have modding abilities.

[UncertainKitten]

Hmmmmmmmm...

Not liking Amished's latest post at all.

But I'm also slightly more convinced of RC scum by it.

[UncertainKitten]

That information is not very useful :V.

I should have been smarter with how I phrased my question. I DO believe that person 12 is able to talk through the mod, but not actively mod the thread.

Player 12's entrance should answer your question, or not.

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Eh, screw it. I just mostly don't advise trusting red text implicitly.

This seems to be an unfavorable outlook.

Don't think we are on the same wavelength, SP. We rarely are though.

[UncertainKitten]

UnFoS, FoS: RedCoyote

I don't trust Amished to not have inside information. that FoS speculation came from literally nowhere.

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I think that's what skye wants to evoke, but not follow, so to speak. (@Mango)

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@Amished: Fucking amazing.

It's a Japanese Visual Novel (and horrible anime that I like to pretend doesn't exist). Sorta a murder mystery except...not.

Have you seen horrible anime before? If you think Umineko is "horrible" you have awfully high standards.

UncertainKitten gains a point for use of ludicrous standards as criteria of judging Japanese animation.

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@Amished:

The author uses gold text

Look, I think my role will

not

eventually interact with the red and blue text.

In Umineko, blue text was used to propose theories for how the murders occured, and red text was used to provide "truth" when it wasn't apparent from the scenario, to put it simply.

I don't think they correlate that strongly here.

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Ok...so what was the "I WAS RIGHT" thing about? Did I miss something?

Also, not sure I like "I really wanted to find a reason to vote you, UK" from RC. It speaks of a mindset that's not looking for scum but personal targets. Not sure why me, since I'm not that easy to lynch, but whatever.

I do think that RC correctly called out Amished and SK on suspicious behaviors and no real misrep was involved. In fact, if there's any misrep, it's Kerrigan on RC.

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@SK: Acting like RC and Amished did the same thing when they didn't. And then claiming he misrepped you when he didn't.

SP is being surprisingly coherent right now.

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@SK: I think I pointed this out before.

I don't remember what I said but it was the general feeling and timing of the posts. m_o further brought up the fact that Amished has also not been responding well to interrogation while RC is still being interrogated. So the situations are different.

[UncertainKitten]

SP's already done it. I saw what he was driving at the minute he brought it up, and he's right. The fact you acted oblivious for so long does not make me feel good about you.

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You've answered them, but unsatisfactorily. As it happens, I think SPs argument is fairly accurate.

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I'm voting Amished. I still think he's suspect. We're testing our FoS' on RC, or else I'd be FoSing you right now.

[UncertainKitten]

K, so, while I see the game moving along, I actually feel completely fried trying to read you all. I'm not finding anything new to change my reads, but I'm not sure if that's being overcome by words or just nothing has happened despite the pretty walls.

What's the cliff's notes I should know of my day of absence?

Real players don't use cliff's notes! YAR HAR!

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@Amished: I honestly don't think I noticed it. Was it before or after SPS' fakeness was revealed?

Either way, when I did notice it the phrasing of his attack read more town at the time. His later posts are not reinforcing that town trend.

Unvote, Vote Saint Kerrigan

You're reading a bit more town now, Amished. You're starting to scumhunt (even if some of your conjectures are inaccurate).

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@Amished: Fucking amazing.

It's a Japanese Visual Novel (and horrible anime that I like to pretend doesn't exist). Sorta a murder mystery except...not.

Have you seen horrible anime before? If you think Umineko is "horrible" you have awfully high standards.

UncertainKitten gains a point for use of ludicrous standards as criteria of judging Japanese animation.

I have watched, FULLY, the entire anime, AND read up to Episode 5 (i.e., all of the anime + the first part of Kai) of the visual novel.

I know what I'm talking about. The Umineko anime is a pile of low quality trash. Hell, even the animation quality is low. They also cut out SEVERAL important facts that come to light in the Visual Novels. So you know what?

Alpha gets a point for not knowing what the hell he's talking about. Damn whippersnappers!

(Actual catch up post after this)

[UncertainKitten]

And apparently all there is is SPxNika yaoi. I know where that suspicious tongue went Nika >=[!

Anyway, did SPS ever plan to vote SK or did he just walk in and be like "Yo, voting SK"?

[UncertainKitten]

So, you know what's crazy? I have found something to post about in every other game I've been in after the move.

Except this one?

You know what that implies? You all are talking about stuff that is not conducive to scumhunting. I'd appreciate it if you resumed catching scum. (Well, there is SOME recycled scumhunting where you all are reiterating the same points, but yeah)

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Now, SP, you're usually so much more witty than that. 2/5 at best for that effort ^-^.

Way too much of a stretch.

[UncertainKitten]

I have a stance, remember?

Amished is looking better than earlier, but still somewhat scummy
SK is pretty damned scummy
RC is looking pretty bad too.

And...eh, that's really it. At least that I feel like disclosing.

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The trouble is, people WOULD budge on their stances if new arguments occurred, which is what I'd like to see. Currently we're caught in a dreaded loop that needs to be broken.

Once again SP, why should you be lynched? Is it one of those silly roles that does wacky waving crazy inflatable flailing arm stuff when it dies? Should I even be asking such a question :O?

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Nah, Socio has been super anti town as scum before. It's the way he is anti town. Right now I don't think he's being scummy anti town, as opposed to my earlier read.

And yes, you have a question RC? Are you asking me to tell everyone who I think is town and why? Why would you need to know?

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Hmm...

Unvote, Vote Sociopath

The only problem I have is that scum get a bonus too, which I would like to think induces them to NK you.

Or you're a jester :V (OMG JESTER SPEC)

If it's the latter case well played, I'll keep it in my book for the future :V.

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@SK: Oh, I dunno. Maybe he wanted us to ACTUALLY TRY SCUMHUNTING BEFORE DEADLINE.

I really wish I could vote you right now, SK.

He's been softclaiming all day, at least.

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SK, there are some questions that answer themselves regardless of WHO answers them. The fact you had to ask says a lot about your intent.

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@SK: So you mean if I were to call your intent town, I'd be wrong? Or that calling your intent scum is wrong?

There aren't really a lot of options here.

I suppose you could be third party. Are you claiming ^-^?

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The two questions weren't in dichotomy form by the way. They were two separate questions, in the sense that I can't really be wrong at all times if I guess your intent as one of the two, unless you ARE third part, and I anticipate I'd pick up that intent eventually.

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Sure, I'd like to lynch SK D2.

Either way, when I say intent, I merely mean town or scum intent.

So, your intentions being far removed from the norm merely means you suck at playing to your win condition.

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@SC: Huh? I see nothing that should confuse you. Link the supposed contradiction?

Nice job hammering.

[UncertainKitten]

Those two statements have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

Read the damn game and quit trying to make things up.

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EBWOP: To be clear, SC clearly has not been paying attention. Whether it's scummy intent or townie stupidity is not ascertainable yet. However, it does not cause me to look favorably on SC's alignment.

The quick hammer so he wouldn't have to explain all of his reads doesn't help.

[UncertainKitten]

I expect you to, at the very least, read the context of the things you point out and explore deeper if something doesn't make sense, as opposed to shooting off the mouth and trying to pretend you're active and contributing.

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Ok, you pointed out two posts that were clearly unrelated if you were at all reading the game. I think that, if you had taken more than a few seconds to just throw a blob of uselessness out, you would have been more careful to resolve what you felt was a discrepancy, since a casual observer could tell the two had nothing to do with each other.

That's why I think you made a very careless catch up post and that, at best, is anti town, and possibly scummy.

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apologies are nice. But rather than apologizing, I'd advise you work on a better one that actually pays attention to the game and brings your actual well founded stances forward.

You've already hammered, so I guess you have all night.

[UncertainKitten]

...did SC just claim scum o.O?

Also, Uu~, Uu~.

Someone should get that and help me out a little.

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Hmm. Not sure what to make of the previous night.

It is possible, but slightly less likely that SK is scum. Unless I'm misinterpreting the actions that happened last night. The SK kill is missing though, since I would assume that would still resolve even with a dead SK...

Nyeh...idk.

What's the case on Nikky again?

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I've read it. I want to see what he does today. I see an amaglam of possible town intent and possible scum intent.

I also see a few indicators of him always engaging in certain actions that would be perceived as scummy normally.

Regardless of that, if he doesn't shape up today and soon, I would be very comfortable with his lynch.

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This new information begs a question.

SK: Who did you target last night

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...so, I just realized that what I was thinking doesn't really work anyway, and am not entirely sure of my thought process before in asking SK about his target. Regardless, it MAY become useful information in the future.

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Tends to happen in these kinds of games. Your post prompted some weird situation to be envisioned by me where SK would be scum, but it doesn't work as I thought it would. It might in the future though.

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That would require me to reveal what my action is. It is not pro town for me to do so at this time.

However, I will tell you I targetted you last night with my action.

I'd say that's a fair exchange.

@Amished: RC ain't a bad choice, to be fair.

[UncertainKitten]

I don't have any known pinata bonus either. It is possible it's a hidden bonus though.

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I disagree. I could be convinced though. Got a cool case?

[UncertainKitten]

I dunno. I ISO'd him. It reads as busy town. He needs to produce soon though. As I said, I could be convinced ^-^

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I don't think SC had any cause to be "cooperative". His reasoning seems sound to me.

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Except it does. He's right about the flavor of the investigation mattering. And keeping that hidden being a good idea.

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@Nika: Why is it scummy again?
@Nika: Why are you justifying yourself flipping scum in advance?

Unvote, Vote Nikanor

[UncertainKitten]

@Nika: Why are you ignoring my questions?
@Nika: Why are you scum?

[UncertainKitten]

@Nika: To some point. Then you hit the point where you are leaking information townies can't interpret but scum CAN.
@Nika: Aye, that's what you'd like us to think but your post intent reads completely differently. And that's why I'm voting you. There's no pro town reason for us to doubt the flips.

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@Nika: Citation needed regarding what Llama said and the supposedness of it more coming from scum.
@Nika: Or I'm right. You'll excuse me if I don't take your word for "reading too much into your posts"

@SC: That's another fun way to put it.

@Nika: So you wanna be lynched then, rather than actually support a BS case?

You see, it's not so much that you have a bad point, that's what we are trying to find out. It's the fact you refuse to support your claim that's reading scummy as HELL.

[UncertainKitten]

Rumplestiltskin ?

idk. Anyway, if you can't support your claim, then you shouldn't use it. Find something else. If Llama were scummy, then there are more tells.

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Fine. Wasn't my main quarrel anyway. Just don't expect me to accept that point if you decide to go after Llama.

Candlejac-

You don't get to finish that sentence. (lol 4 tv reference)

[UncertainKitten]

Um...so, is it unfair to use the Moderator Logs to tell everyone that sykedoc is doing both the red and blue text? (which was probably obvious anyway)

Completely insignificant. Nobody else has been given mod powers. You are also off-base. UK gains a point for trying to loophole.

[UncertainKitten]

...Hastur Hastur Hastur?

HE WASN'T IN A MOVIE >=[!

[UncertainKitten]

Sandman?

Fuck if I know, I hate movies. They're all really shitty and stuff.

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OH YEAH.

Yeah, might not be something we want to do thar.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, from the points offered thus far, the main one that is actually germane to whether I'm scum or not is the attack on Amished, which was justified in that he was actively NOT scumhunting, as opposed to what I was doing, which was passive scumhunting. Early D1 doesn't do a whole lot for me, so I figure there's no need to jump on everything and get into a clusterfuck of stupid. It's arguable that I did ANYWAY, but I tried not to.

Oh, the SP thing. Nah, I didn't really have much to say, SP is a hard read for me in general, but I figured I'd try it.

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I see no reason to believe it's town. Why should I?

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I don't feel that it really matters. Whether he's lying or not, his abilities have NOTHING to do with his alignment, nor is there any known way for him to prove himself town with them.

[UncertainKitten]

Are you seriously arguing for Nikanor's towniness based on role?

In a bastard game?

Actually, beyond that. You're trying to outguess the mod?

[UncertainKitten]

I feel like this is a terrible argument and says a LOT about potential links between you and Nika.

I don't think a role/mod outguessing argument is the way to go.

Do you have any other reasons to think Nikanor is town?

[UncertainKitten]

Well, to elaborate, it's based on Nika's flip. You aren't damned if he flips town (well, an argument could be made for that, but it WOULD be reaching). However, the arguments you are using for Nika's towniness feel like some of the easiest you can use as scum to defend a scumbuddy.

You aren't defending his play, you are defending his role. This intrigues me.

[UncertainKitten]

Ok, so you targetted the guy who died and claimed town redirector.

Except Nika isn't dead and m_o flipped SK.

Now, I wonder if instead, supposing Nika were scum, if you killed m_o and targetted Nika with a buff?

I don't see what precisely prevents that from being possible. Except for the fact that Nika would have to be scum, something we do not know yet.

[UncertainKitten]

Granted, I'm assuming factional and active abilities can both be done in the same night.

Allowing for say, a kill and a motivate or something. Or a kill and a protect. Or any number of things.

Breadcrumbing the connection doesn't really matter since that could quite simply be ass covering.

[UncertainKitten]

So.. in case me-scum got tracked to mo (which you still haven't explained why I would need to kill him if I thought he was scummy in the first place);

WIFOM

Next point is you wouldn't be watched. You'd be tracked to two targets.

The final point about outting your scumbuddies only pertains in such a case where your ability would obviously ONLY be used on scumbuddies.

There's always that WIFOM. The only reason I'm connecting you to Nika now is because of the way you defend him.

Also, factional/active abilities is a lot less of a stretch than "Oh, well, obviously skye wants to make this enjoyable for him so CLEARLY Nika is obvtown"

Nice try though. I mean, hay has it's place when I wanna do some pony girl play, but otherwise all that straw isn't doing any good.

[UncertainKitten]

And as a redirector, I'd really only be tracked to mo; mo would be tracked to Nika. I'm not switching (not a busdriver) I'm just pointing somebody in another direction.

Incorrect. You target two players when you redirect. The redirected and the new target. At least that's how I handle a redirection.

Also, another strawman. I never said you were defending Nika for WIFOM, I was saying you were defending him because you're potentially his scumbuddy.

I've already explained why your mod outguessing is bullshit whereas mine actually has a basis in actual modding practices.

Excuse me for slightly exaggerating the degree of your defense of Nika. Excuse me for not understanding that you were defending someone you don't think is obvious town, but merely more likely to be town.

I'm sure the mistake is fairly easy to make.

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP:

There's so many guesses on her part, but not really a factual basis for her position.

OH BOY ISN'T THAT HILARIOUS! I CAN SAY THE SAME ABOUT YOUR OPINION OF NIKANOR!

CRAZY LIKE BANANAS!

[UncertainKitten]

Didn't you say you had 10 abilities or am I misremembering?

[UncertainKitten]

...that...

What?

Th...I don't understand why you'd do that...

[UncertainKitten]

But why would you claim 10 abilities in the first place if you didn't count?

Honestly, it's probably not a big thing, it just bugs the SHIT out of me.

[UncertainKitten]

Except you are claiming relevant role info. You could have easily said "Some one shot abilities". If you were asked for a number, I'd hope you'd ACTUALLY COUNT and get an accurate count.

[UncertainKitten]

Haruhi Suzumiya, Town/Neutral/Mafia Dreaming God.

Gets ten flavorific abilities, uses one each game day, game has some rule change in some way.

That's what Nikanor is referencing. I guess he's more referencing the fact the Dreaming God doesn't know what their abilities do.

[UncertainKitten]

If we do massclaim, anyone who has not claimed does need to claim before me, otherwise it defeats the purpose of my role entirely. I think this means that UK, Spy, SPS and Ythan should claim prior to me for sure. Idealy everyone would claim before I do, but it is not as necessary since I think any adaption of claims on the others will be noticeable.

I vote massclaim.

Wait, I just thought of something.

Do the words Uu~ Uu~ mean anything to you?

But, at any rate, I'm fine claiming I guess.

Not sure massclaim is a great idea yet, but if we're doing it I really don't care when.

Popcorn would be a good idea.

[UncertainKitten]

Ok. It's just at this point it should be obvious I'm looking for someone. No idea what happens if I find them. Honestly, I should probably know who it is but I don't know who else here is a Seacatz fan.

[UncertainKitten]

I doubt it. I know there is a Seacatz fan here. Has to be.

Also, I'm talking about Umineko. Umineko, if you take it piece by piece translates to Sea Cat. However, it's the word for Seagull.

[UncertainKitten]

Yeah, already had to do that. Sorry, probably should have mentioned that ^-^;

[UncertainKitten]

^Several flavors of scummy.

[UncertainKitten]

The trouble is that that little caveat feels like "I'm being anti town right now, so let me show you I'm pro town for an anti town behavior. Totes!"

What you'd do "If you were scum" doesn't really matter in a self reported situation.

[UncertainKitten]

But if no one believes you, what is the point of saying it? How does it at all further the town's goal to say something that won't be believed and makes you look scummier?

[UncertainKitten]

What the fuck is going on in here?

[UncertainKitten]

Why did you let Ythan needle you? I know it's a little hypocritical but one of the best things a pro town player can do is forcibly drop and argument and ignore all attempts to revive it (caveat: As long as no new information is brought to the table)

[UncertainKitten]

Basically. It reflects TERRIBLY on both Ythan and SK. Shut the fuck up and scumhunt, dammit.

[UncertainKitten]

Meh, haven't played with you. And town gets into useless fights that span pages while producing often enough so it's not a certain scum tell. It still looks bad though.

[UncertainKitten]

Not much information. The deceased equine. It has had enough of your damn stick.

[UncertainKitten]

What "terribleness" was brought to light in the last argument? Besides the fact he doesn't know when to drop a useless argument?

[UncertainKitten]

Didn't he answer pretty clearly? Least, that's what I got out of it. I didn't see any whining...

[UncertainKitten]

That's classified information, SC.

[UncertainKitten]

@RC: Why should I tell scum who I think is town?

Thanks for reminding me how much I disliked your play this game.

Oh, right, there's also the fact the fight has been utterly pointless, and I've said as much and tried to stop it when it started spanning pages.

But, yeah, honestly, I forgot who I suspected since the last few days have been Ythan vs. SK. I just don't get the impression people will like me saying that. If it helps I remember a bit about why RC was bugging me ^-^

[UncertainKitten]

Who am I voting again?

Also, where the fuck did Nikanor go anyway? I forgot he was playing!

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, I'm voting Nikanor. That's staying til he fucking posts. Why the hell did he disappear?

[UncertainKitten]

this was his last post. He needs a prod, and he needs content. Now.

[UncertainKitten]

Nika has been posting elsewhere

HE NEEDS TO BE LYNCHED!

[UncertainKitten]

We're on you.

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP: In fact, you'd know that if you were actually paying attention.

Why are you lying?

[UncertainKitten]

That is correct, SC.

But yeah, SPS said Nika needs to claim fully or something.

The fact that Nika was supposedly waiting for massclaim to end and didn't jump in to say anything at SPS' request makes me feel very uncomfortable about his alignment.

[UncertainKitten]

Fine

FoS: SaintKerrigan

Yes, I know, I'm being lazy.

[UncertainKitten]

So, am I next oooor?

[UncertainKitten]

OK, I have a claim post typed up, but it occurs to me it might not be in my best interest to claim yet until basically right before Llama OR until after someone claims something specific.

I'm not sure if I've already leaked too much detail but it's possible that finding this rolename could do things good for the town.

However, if you would still like me to claim now, I will acquiesce. I will also provide proof that I typed up a claim post right now when I do claim, assuming I'm allowed to. Will check with the mod.

[UncertainKitten]

Yeah, I can understand that. Just felt like something I had to do at the time. No idea why.

At any rate, still waiting to hear from the town on that. It's possible I've dropped too many hints anyway, if they are someone who doesn't want to be found...

[UncertainKitten]

Uhuh. Excuse me if I'm waiting for people who are town to respond.

Well, I mean, Amished's response probably counts.

[UncertainKitten]

Meh, I guess I'll claim since no one has claimed who I'm lookng for and we're mostly through the massclaim?

I'd post this in red, but that's skye's colors.

Jerk.

I'm Beatrice, the Golden Witch (for real this time :O!)
I am a town time warper.
I'm able to delay the action of a player by one night!

Can you guess who I targetted last night? If you can't, it was Saint Kerrigan.

I'm also looking for someone named Ushiromiya Maria, and I have three guesses to find them.

I have two ~*~mystery abilities~*~ that I get D3 and D4 respectively.

I'm guessing Maria isn't in the game or is hiding because she's scum.

[UncertainKitten]

So UK, does Maria know that you are looking for her?

I am not privy to this information! She damn well SHOULD given all the hints I dropped, but whether she knows as a function of her role PM, if she were to exist, I do not know.

[UncertainKitten]

@Nika: Wasn't sure if they'd get my hints or not. I wasn't holding much hope anyway for her claiming, but it was worth a shot.

I know exactly what happens if I find her. We become neighbors (or masons, it's not specified she's town). I again wrote the original claim post with the intent of not playing my entire hand to Maria.

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP: And decided not to post it til later, so it was kinda an evolving thought process.

[UncertainKitten]

Nika needs to die for the same reasons I've been citing all day. He's been lying about paying attention (i.e., not doing it and saying he has been), and been posting in other games while neglecting this one, despite being called upon for information.

Not stupid town doesn't do that.

[UncertainKitten]

I didn't trust syke. First of all, I have been breadcrumbing like mad, and no one took my bait. So I had a lot of reason to distrust either Maria Ushiromiya or the fact she exists at all. So, therefore, my hope was to find someone hiding from me by claiming near the end of the queue. If people had seriously had issues with me doing that, I would have claimed earlier. I think it's pretty obvious that no one had any amazing objections to it.

In Linked Role, you had a LOT more reason to believe the link existed, and I believe you were specifically told you would be masonized?

[UncertainKitten]

As if I trust flavor in this game. But, flavor would indicate a favorable relationship. As I said, it would be optimal for me to talk to her anyway since I could either discern she's town or scum on my own.

But she hasn't claimed. I figure that's what scum would have done, not claimed. So I tried to be more subtle, but it didn't work. Honestly, the earlier breadcrumbs basically sabotaged anything I could come up with now.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, to be on the safe side,

Unvote, Vote Nikanor

I'm PRETTY sure I'm already voting him, but now I KNOW I am.

[UncertainKitten]

But Spyrex is still my favorite lynch as the most useless in a stack of useless players (myself included). Nikanor I'm not so fond of for our lynch. I don't see how he has been lurking, as UK claims he has.

Holy shit you're playing this game.

In other news, how has he not been lurking? Did you not notice how long it took him to respond to SPS' call to claim? Did you not notice he was posting in EVERY OTHER GAME HE WAS PLAYING during that time? Why was he avoiding this one? He says "he was waiting til massclaim was over", but why would he not check the thread and such? It feels like a flimsy, untrue excuse to cover his ass. Now, why would he need to cover his ass? Maybe he figured since he already claimed, he could lurk his way through D2. What pro town reason does there exist for that?

None whatsoever.

[UncertainKitten]

@RC: You see, part of lurking is the CONTENT of your posts, as well as timing. I love how you are trying to use numbers to save your scumbuddy when they absolutely do NOT address what I'm talking about.

Why are you defending Nikanor?

SC has the crux of why your post is silly, RC

Anyway,

FoS Nikanor

Hopefully this doesn't do something stupid like make him stronger.

[UncertainKitten]

@RC: Except what you are

saying

ABSOLUTELY IGNORES THE CASE ON NIKANOR.

You keyed in on one word, lurking, and then inflated this huge bullshit chainsaw defense on him. Why?

It'd be one thing if you had a point.

You do not.

Now, if you'd like to get a point, PLEASE explain for me why Nikanor is NOT a good lynch, actually addressing my case on him?

[UncertainKitten]

I love how no one at all has been paying attention to the rules, and the fact that THERE IS NO WAY TO NO LYNCH (until endgame)

2) If there is no lynch by the deadline, the player with the highest vote count is killed. Deadlines are there because I want you to get shit done, and you are going to get shit done. Endgame will change this policy as its stupid to have this at that point. I clearly won't lynch someone with 2 votes if you're all off that, its mostly majority or around that.

Well, I guess you could vote no lynch, but other than that, RTFR

[UncertainKitten]

Elli and ooba, you nincompoops! I friggen TOLD YOU Magnus was scum. Did you at all TRY to figure out what I was saying? Derpsicles.

[UncertainKitten]

Actually, nothing I said was irrelevant IIRC. It just was really cryptic. So derp on you >=[!

[UncertainKitten]

I looked it up in the MSPA wiki finally, and realized how badly I derped it up .