Mini 983: It Got Worse (GAME OVER)

[SpyreX]

TOO KOOL FOR VOTING:

I'm happy with my role, but it was the third on my list. I'm wondering if other people picked my first two, both of which are probably popular enough to be chosen. I don't know if it's relevant at all, just something I'm putting out there.

Role? Or character?

[SpyreX]

SocioPath (2):Steam-Powered Shovel, Llamafluff
RedCoyote (1): magnus_orion
Amished (1): RedCoyote
sykedoc (1): UncertainKitten, Nikanor
Nikanor (2): SocioPath, Amished

Is this correct moddykins?

Vote: Sykedoc

I can give you an early vote count, but that comes at the price of gaining a point. Also I believe its correct unless I messed up.

Testing a theory.

[SpyreX]

Why would I be joining a sociopath wagon again?

Cause I sure as hell aint seein it.

I actually like what I see that end thus far and am more than a little intrigued by his newsletter.

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RC I could get behind a bit more. As it sits there isn't any awesome.

AND MAKE A MISTAKE ONE TIME AND BE LABELED A PARIAH SOCIO SHEESH

SpyreX gains a point for awful sentence structure.

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...

Hold up a second lemme make sure I read this right:

No, because I believe you're more likely to stick a fork in a light socket than to find scum.

Yep, more likely to find a fork in a light socket than scum. That was based on this game, not any meta.

Now see, as Lord Meta-Hater, Ph.D I can get behind this normally but considering what else you were talking about no way is that a self-contained statement.

Why in the hell would you lie about it?

Unvote, Vote: Amished

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Ohh hay game how are you.

Where the hell is everyone?

Sleeping?

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Hot damn UK I'm in love.

If Amished wasn't being tech I would be all over lol, reactions because it makes me sooo angry even IF its often town-sided (although, it can be beautiful scumside but this isn't that so).

[SpyreX]

lol reactions when its just lol reactions is BAD.

Now, if someone after the fact can clearly state what they were exactly aiming for with lol reactions then it can be awesome.

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Response: Fate

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Yea UK being town isn't a shocking revelation and there's a secret tell TM on top of everything else.

RC actually would be a close second for me right now. He hasn't bit into anything and an SPS vote with everything else going on is f--.

[SpyreX]

SK's stance makes little sense to me with Amished-scum which still makes more sense as Amished-town.

Now, if I'm wrong about that the half-jibe at me because no way would a UK "omg mislynch" wagon go makes more sense.

So, in short :headdesk:

[SpyreX]

Just read it aloud sheesh but I'll do it again:

SK's balancing act statement above doesn't make sense if he's scum and Amish is scum with him - thats just asking for rope.

However, that reeks of the kind of statement one could see setting up for pushing a "THEY MISLYNCHED HIM" SK-scum move. Normally, this activity would be performed on you BUT no way in hell would that fly so I'm a good #2.

Or, its a town statement that just makes me :headdesk:

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Wooooooo it might be time to turn this around because 366 by itself is voteworthy and, like I said, them both being scum doesn't make sense.

In fact, yep. TOOT TOOT

Unvote, Vote: SK

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Whaaa did you LOOK at 366 man. I dont think I need to explain the minutae of why that and Amished's little dance are both suspicious AND why they don't make sense together come on now

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Pffffttt not scumhunting when they hand themselves over I swear good sir

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I can't even begin to answer why the hell his opinion is fake (and it sure seems to be) UNLESS its the setup move thus discussed.

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(Psssst I'm not so thats not a reason)

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(Psssst Its foreplay before the shouting)

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That statement being neutral is a load of lies and pretty obvious at that.

Hi my name is loaded read how are you today.

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I'm back and aliveish.

RC is moving WAY up in the paranoia list for that post above that uses a lot of words to not commit to anything.

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That's not what I'm talking about. The Amished vote is fine. That whole post isn't.

[SpyreX]

I don't know if there's much else going on

. SK

seems

like he's uncharacteristically wagon hopping (still don't really get his move to magnus and off of it). I like Amish on offense (in contrast to his "just lynch me!!! ;_; Woe is me!!!") , but I still can't help be see it as disingenuous. He's trying to clean himself of sticking with his SPS vote by throwing me under the bus, but Amish sure put on a show like he thought SPS was scummy. I don't see how SK makes a post, "Hm, RC is still scummy", and it all of a sudden makes Amish completely abandon SPS and throw his weight behind my wagon... unless he was, like I said, putting on a show about his SPS suspicions.

SP might be a little over-the-top, but that's kind of his thing. It doesn't really strike me as scummy.

I still don't get Nikanor's position on Spyrex, and I think he's been throwing it around without really explaining it well enough. This puts me off a bit.

So, what is that actually saying about SK or Nik?

Amish being scummy and SP not being scummy are clear enough, but the rest of those words don't do too much for me.

[SpyreX]

Then commit. Call a scum a scum. Call a town a town. Don't play slappywags with it.
Although the clarification does help clear some of the issues.

[SpyreX]

Ooops, that was meant for RC. Although I guess it kind of applies there too.

[SpyreX]

Sociopath you are awesome and that is a win-win-win scenario.

Unvote, Vote: Sociopath.

SK saying I'm a shameless bandwagoner this game wooooo

[SpyreX]

Also, now that the crazy firebrand who was calling for my lynch and the guy that was actually trying to build a case on me (and was a serial killer) are dead, would anyone who is inclined to vote me please explain exactly why? Simply saying "D1 actions" isn't gonna cut it. Give me some meat, please.

Now that the town-flip and SK are dead = you are town?

Cause that sure as hell looks like what that says there mos def.

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God I'm here.

I reaaaallly don't like SK's business with ohhh look the SK wanted me dead.

However, I also forgot SPS is playing.

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AND SOMEHOW MAGICALLY POSTED BEFORE I WANTED TO

Unvote, Vote: SPS

[SpyreX]

Nothing that I know of?

And you know what I mean we already talked about it.

However, SPS being scum would be 99% SK town. No way in hell would you bus at this juncture. And, well, yea - normally if I forget they're playing that says something.

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Also, now that the crazy firebrand who was calling for my lynch and the guy that was actually trying to build a case on me (and was a serial killer) are dead, would anyone who is inclined to vote me please explain exactly why? Simply saying "D1 actions" isn't gonna cut it. Give me some meat, please.

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Him building a case on you as an SK doesn't change anything - in fact, the SK has even MORE reason to be town as all getout because they don't have any bro's to help them out if they get screwed.

So, yea, his "case" doesn't get washed because he was an SK

[SpyreX]

Seriously maybe I'm being screwed with but I sure haven't seen any pinata love.

[SpyreX]

Does your love involve stealing my sweet pinata gifts?

If not then yes

[SpyreX]

This gaaameee

[SpyreX]

Dont worry you'll just get bit and turned into a vampire so its all good.

HRMMM PINATA.

Anywho, digress aside: SPS + Rope = Happy Campers

[SpyreX]

I forgot he was playing - he faded into obscurity after fake dayprotectgate.

And has done nothing, but sure hopped in quick to respond to me saying I forgot he was playing.

[SpyreX]

As far as I know nothing happened last night.

Nik is the B-man? I totally am going to unleash the fury when I get home then

[SpyreX]

*to me

GOD WORDS HARD SLEEP

[SpyreX]

LETS DANCE

beetlejuice
beetlejuice
beetlejuice

Stop pussyfooting around this is awesome and Nik is awesome

[SpyreX]

I'm fine with a massclaim.

Maybe that'll give this a push because not even The Ghost with The Most was able to cause a ruckus.

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Ffff Prod please lets get this a movin' I'm really curious what SPS is going to say

[SpyreX]

BAD Example

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Is the slapping done with?

SPS: Is your submitting a guess an action?

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The answers to some of these questions now that the slapfight is done and the massclaim, moving faster than a speeding sloth, may happen in the near future.

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I haven't yet been up but patiently waiting my turn on the turnlist.

That vote is awesome.

[SpyreX]

FoS SaintKerrigan

My backpack's got jets.

I'm Boba the Fett.

Yet, I'm not a bounty hunter.
Nor do I have these "mysterious" powers everyone keeps talking about...yet.

I can freeze someone in Carbonite jailing them.
Or, I can use my backpacks jets and become untargettable.

There is some flavor about upgrades to my Mandalorian Armor being possible but I have no idea how.

DESPITE NOT KNOWING ANYTHING THAT HAPPENED TO ME IN THE MYRIAD OF AWESOME, I didn't use my jets - I jailed SPS.

[SpyreX]

Yes ma'am

[SpyreX]

... You're not allowed to tell us what actual abilities you have except that if you're lynched and telling the truth its the status quo BUT if you're lying then you're a dead scum?

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But that doesn't make sense because you couldn't be voted before you were in and then JUST THIS would be said and that wouldn't go through?

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Thats why I'm talkin all nice nice and not voting because I can't wrap my head around it in context of the game yet.

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I freely admit I'm playing like junk this game - especially today. The slapfight and eonic masslcaim sucked the energy out of me.

But, to snipe like that from the side gives me a little gojuice RC.

Lurking it up calling me out for lurking AND THEN defending Nik's lurking? What the hell game are you playing at?

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Nik is at L-2 and RC flips because weakened might make the SK lynch easier?

Ohh to hell with this:

Unvote, Vote: Nik

Now there's no funny business with scrambling for a lynch. Its right there.

When he's scum though hopefully its a good long night so you can go ahead and explain the business this page.

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Ohhh so beautiful. Its like a punch card.

You're right SPS that something would be fishy except for the fact I was trying to, in fact, call you out as WHO I JAILED because you've done nothing and only an SK was killed making me think I may have had something to do with it.

Then the game got bad and a massclaim happened and slapfighting and here we are.

If this goes to a nolynch I will channel pure rage at all of you.

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Tinfoil: RC / Nik / SPS with SPS hail mary because a Nik-scum is dominoes?

Mmmmm

[SpyreX]

Yea UK and SC don't make sense as town-directed kills.

HOWEVER, SK sure didn't perform the kills since he was all carbonited.

@Mod: Can we move our elect vote around?

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I also got a gift, fyi.

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I don't know how the time warp "works" persay.

SPS N1
SK N2

Carbonitin' it up.

I've had no correspondence that would say whether they actually WORKED or not but thats what I've attempted.

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Also there's the possibility that only I got a gift and Spyre is buddies with Amish covering for him.

Wooo between you and RC and gift-gate this is gonna be awesome.

While I'm not going to spoil what my awesome gift does I will say this: its fairly confirmable. DOUBLY so if its partner is in the hands of town. The problem is I have a feeling its a counter to either a scum-gift or a scum-power.

However since I see the good ol fashioned slap fight of eye glazing again lets just go ahead and

Elect: Llama

NOW, lets try this a different way:

Go ahead and nice simple bullet point each other you two versus a page of U NO U.

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Welp its definitely not a scum-scum slapfight (not that that was likely).

And SK being targeted and the kill moving makes me really want llama to take his shot.

Which means someone needs to vote.

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Who I replaced?

I've been here since the beginning mon capitan.

Amished, I tried to make it pretty clear in my last post. I would say Spyrex. If there was scum that put a finger on the scale while debating Nikanor's alignment, it was definitely his doing.

I... you... what?

What?

[SpyreX]

I... you... what?

If there was scum on the Nikanor wagon, it was you. Perhaps worried that the wagon would lose steam, you tipped the scale by throwing your vote down at a critical point and made it more difficult for us to back away from a Nikanor lynch.

So are you going all the way live and saying I'm scum with SK?

Because thats about the only way that could even possibly make sense - and I didn't "push the scales" as much as call out your ardent defense of Nik in lurker mode

in conjunction

with the throwaway vote on SK under the guise of "this one is easier now" versus even pretending to look for scum.

I did make a mistake though. I probably should have done you first.

Which I'd throw into the ring for bullets over Baghdad if someone would man up and finish this election.

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Ok, this is awesome and all but I'm ready to throw down:

RC I've been pretty clear about having a blaze game because I can't wrap around it. Calling me out on that is fine.

HOWEVER, going "ohh look at me and all my contributions" is garbage. Absolute garbage. Show it. Show this myriad of contributions. Be sure to clarify how I'm scum with SK but on this page you are hand-wringing about SK actually being scum but still gung ho on me.

Hell, I'll up it a notch.

LLama shoot RC. If he flips town lynch me. Its not happening.

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OR OR YOU COULD JUST SHOOT BOTH OF THEM FOR JUSTICE SOMEHOW.

(Seriously this is ridiculous and needs to stop)

And its not a function of llama. Its a function of "he who has the daykill"

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I'm not reading in depth for sure and I've been fairly clear about that?

What is the super secret thing I've missed though?

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Sigh.

Welp, ropes ahoy then.

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But me? I've called SK out since D1. Compared to you, I can't say who your big suspects are.

There's me, of course, and I guess SPS still? You throw SK in there, but I don't think you've voted SK yet today or yesterday. Like I said above, your vote was kind of a useless during yesterday and throughout this whole game. I was willing to fight the Nikanor wagon on D2, although the deadline pulled the rug out from under me a little bit. I didn't resign into doing whatever the majority wanted, which I think has been the story of your game so far. That alone makes me more of a contribution to the game than you have been, which is all I've said. I don't think I'm gloating, I'm just saying I think that if Llama objectively matched us up, I'm going to come out on top this game.

I have no words:

All this being said, I didn't realize the deadline was tomorrow. If Nikanor is the choice, then I will be on tomorrow to vote him. Spyrex really is the way we should go though, or possibly SK.

Mod, you left my vote off the vote count.

Actually, let me go ahead and unvote. I'll vote: SaintKerrigan because this "weakened" thing might mean it takes less people to lynch him. If the deadline is ~30 hours away then we need all the help we can get.

This is the vote for SK. This is the "calling out".

Every other time you've mentioned SK in relation to who you vote for its been "or possibly SK".

And the 180 on "Ohh I'm a big contributor" now versus "I'm a useless player this game"

which you said before

is awesome.

And no one is saying a peep about it. Woooo.

Even SK you're super best #1 callout scumbroseph is voting right along with you for "lol bus" right?

I may be playing a poor game this one but my lord.

[SpyreX]

SK says I'm scum with RC (or lllama)
RC says I'm scum with SK

They both vote me.

COME ON

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Oh, please. Can we drop the, "I am shocked and speechless, sir!" act? I don't know what you're getting at with the rest of your post. I never claimed being a big contributor; I said that I'll put myself up against you this game any day of the week. There's a big difference between those.

I can, however, address this, because post 334, post 386, and we even had a little spat with post 458 where I told you, clear as day, that I was not impressed with SK.

I've never been wishy-washy here; I've had a clear, consistent message. You had no issue with me trying to get an SK lynch on the first two days because you just jumped aboard whatever was the popular lynch, but now that I'm coming after you instead it has become some big controversy. Well, hate to break it to you, but it isn't a controversy.

I'm not shocked and or speechless, far from it.

I'm calling out that this doesn't even pretend to make sense.

Lets look at the posts you've come up with that are clear as day:

334:

Alright, well, you say that you put all this thought into voting me, but I don't think that's true. It seemed like you were more in the business of marketing my wagon than you were "thinking" about it. All I saw, essentially, was that you didn't like SP's reasons and you didn't like that I liked them even more.

A ball of qualified language that later that post leads to an Amished vote.

386:

Because I agreed with it and there was really no sense repeating it over again. Nikanor was straight up contradicting himself to please someone (I think it was SPS? I'd have to go back and check), but it turned out that both SP and I read Nikanor's comment out of context a little bit. It happens. Otherwise I didn't really see anything I wanted to comment on, which is a testament to the player list that the Mod managed to put together. I still don't really see too many sketchy things out there with the exception of Amish's erratic behavior and possibly your using unreasonable arguments to justify your positions.

I do, however, take solace in the fact that your needlessly (and possibly perniciously) inflated "activity requirements" of me are largely and rightfully being looked upon with skepticism and indifference by the majority of people here.

You call amish erratic but "possibly" SK is using unreasonable arguments. So yes another slam dunker.

And 458:

Goodness gracious, are you really going to come after me for using the word "seems"?

I'm not going to sit here and say that I know SK, as town, would never jump on and off magnus. I'm saying that it seems to me like townSK wouldn't do that. To the best of my knowledge, that's not how I figure a townie would've approached the situation. I've asked Nikanor to explain why he wants you lynched. He hasn't answered me, but he's continued to make posts restating his intentions. It puts me off a bit, but not enough to make a move on.

I'm realistic, you know, and I don't expect you, even if you're town, to read my posts word for word, but I'd figured you'd at least know the jist of what direction I'm moving in. I have not had flattering things to say about SK for essentially the entire game, and while I've not really come down hard against Nikanor, I've certainly not been overly impressed with his play thus far either.

Yea this reads like SK is scum. Totally.

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And lets parallel a couple RC quotes:

Nikanor has steadily been rising up as scummy for me, and SK and Amish haven't really moved. What am I "not committing" to?

Long story short, Spyrex and UK are my picks, although I could still see myself on the SK wagon.

This FoS nonsense is a waste of time. I said it yesterday, I'll say it today, and I'll probably have to say it tomorrow. Y'all have been trying to make something of it since page, like, 10, and nothing came of it. It's a wild goose chase to make people look as though they're contributing, and don't think that I've forgotten that you've been the biggest proponent of wasting the town's time with it, SK.

But Spyrex is still my favorite lynch as the most useless in a stack of useless players (myself included). Nikanor I'm not so fond of for our lynch. I don't see how he has been lurking, as UK claims he has.

Actually, let me go ahead and unvote. I'll vote: SaintKerrigan because this "weakened" thing might mean it takes less people to lynch him. If the deadline is ~30 hours away then we need all the help we can get.

Amish was the first to mention a gift, which, I think, is a good sign. Ythan was second, and then Spyrex tried to jump aboard (you have to think it starts to lose anything at this point as the scum could've gotten wind of what was going on). Going off the idea that gifts are only for town, which, granted, could be a complete red herring, gives Amish and Ythan a bit more town creditability. This coupled with a little wagon analysis from yesterday's lynch leads me to believe that Spyrex still has to be scum. Since apparently we can only vote once, I'll probably hold back a few days, but I feel very comfortable about that read.

The funniest thing about that whole mess?

When you compare what you say about Amished early or me for the rest of it to SK if you were to actually LOOK AT THOSE WORDS and ask who, really, does he think is scum you'd never, ever, ever come up with SK. Never ever.

The words don't add up.
The votes don't add up.

And "deal with it" when your number 1 scum pick hops on a wagon with you?

Yeaaaa.

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Right, "qualified language", how about, not charging in and screaming that I know exactly what alignment everyone has? You know, why don't you put your money where your mouth is, Spyrex? Am I 100% certainly scum? Beyond a shadow of a doubt? Is Llama 100% certainly town? Beyond a shadow of a doubt? Only yes or no answers, please. God forbid you show any relativity or humility, because Spyrex will get right on top of you for that.

What's worse is that you cherry pick a few sentences from these posts thinking you've got the post all summed up, but, you know, I posted the links for a reason. I had more to say than just, "Hm, SK is scum". I give reasons for why it is I am coming to this conclusion. I engage SK (and not just SK but other people too of course) and the compilation of these exchanges lead to my perception of him. These posts, I contend, are why it is I have had more to contribute to this town than you have. I'm not quite on that Spyrex/SK-pro level of mafia playing where I am able to say that I'm certain that Ythan, SK, or anyone else, is scum/town.

So you can sit here and criticize me for not voting SK, beating around the bush, or whatever, but in reality we both know that none of my proposals have gained any traction. I haven't been on either of the lynch wagons for a reason, because not only am I unable to persuade the town with my suppositions, but I haven't even been all that warm toward the ultimate lynch choices.

Yes. Qualifying your language is directly opposed to 100% perfect and absolute reads and that is exactly what I was implying.

Or not. Not even a little.

The little snipe about relativity and humility is also awesome and has a whole lot to do with what I'm actually saying:

Your interactions with SK if you

actually believed

he was scum do not make sense. Even now you still espouse to him being your #1 scum read and you've voted for him once and that wasn't even because you thought he was scum. It was because he was an easier lynch at the time.

Contrast that to your approach to me or even Amished. Look at the methods and the choices

and the accompanying votes

. SK is the bridesmaid but never the bride and that is garbage.

And your reasoning? Because its never gained traction? Well, when you yourself wont even place a vote the idea of it somehow mystically gaining traction is just laudable.

The snipes in this deserve the quote more than anything else, though. Apparently I'm big bad abusive SpyreX smashing into the morally strong and perfect RedCoyote because I'm soo pro and believe only in absolutes as is thus defined by my ability to vote the person who I say is scum.

That's a joke based off some meme. Seriously though, what difference does it make? It doesn't mean that I wouldn't vote him if the opportunity arises. And SK just as easily sees me as potential scum, as well he should.

Unless you care to say, here and now, that you don't suspect SK at all. Is that your intention?

What opportunity? What does that even mean? Every damn post is an opportunity. Ythan and SK's giant slapfights were a grand opportunity.

As for seeing everyone as potential scum? Sure. Until you look deeper at the interactions. How's this:

If you flip scum which at this point I'm pretty sure you will, SK is probably by a wide margin town. There's no way two of you would slapfight like this to vote together.

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Good lord I'm not?

Unvote, Vote: RC

I thought I did that waaay long ago

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This game is making my teeth itch.

No, you haven't said SK is your #1 scum pick and, frankly, I'm not spending the time to go through you iso and look and the frequency of times SK is mentioned and the amount of effort put forth that way NOR the fact that I've made that statement very clear earlier and just now you're deflecting to it.

Instead, dear game:

Look at RC's iso. Tell ME if I'm losing my mind in thinking SK is the overall course of the game scum pick and then look at whats going on now.

Then vote RC and lynch scum its awesome.

Seriously he's now blaming Llama for not voting SK. Wooooosh

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I could see RC / Amished to some degree. Definitely not RC / SK. Ooba independently.

I'd be surprised at RC / Ythan just because of the whole SK slapoff.