Mini 980 - Trader Mafia (Game Over)

[Jack]

I like these "instantaneous" night games, where the mafia only have the 12 hours after the lynch goes through to get their orders in. Keeps the game going fast.

[Jack]

Actually, there's no 12 hour period after the lynch - as soon as the lynch happens, the night happens.

FoS

Andrius. In this game, everyone is thinking about buying night actions. So they are thinking about their own night actions. Andrius's focus on the mafia's actions is more likely to come from scum.

Way to help the mafia.

[Jack]

Actually, there's no 12 hour period after the lynch - as soon as the lynch happens, the night happens.

FoS

VV. In this game, everyone is thinking about buying night actions. So they are thinking about their own night actions. VasudeVa's focus on the mafia's actions is more likely to come from scum.

Way to help the mafia.

Wait. So you're calling the mafia stupid, because they can't read?

Are you insulted?

[Jack]

No, just clarifying your attitude.

And how did it go?

[Jack]

@Jack:
1) I don't see what I accused you of in Andrius's post.
2) TBH, I didn't even consider deliberately misleading people about the rules, or that someone else might have done. In this case, it seems that protown PRs are at least as likely as scum to get screwed by your lie here.

What protown PRs? The guaranteed-success doctor? The one-shot "universal bulletproof"?

[Jack]

zoraster's creepy avatar aside,

Why are you twisting Zajnets's words, Jack?

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[Jack]

##vote:Jack

[Jack]

Given that the mafia start with $125, and the bid is currently at $127, I think it's pretty clear who is going for the kill power.

I would say that cop is the lowest priority town buy. If mafia get it, they will use it to search for the other team...I guess not as likely to find them, but it's still works for the town.

[Jack]

A shortlist of two people is guaranteed to not have your partner on it (if you were mafia).

[Jack]

Just so everyone knows, there is a breaking strategy that guarantees a town win.I havnt read the rest of the thread, but please no one vote or bid until I can get home and detail the win.

If this is true I will appoint myself honorary mafioso and aid them any way I can.

[Jack]

I'll put him over $999. Now lets play mafia.

[Jack]

##vote:Fishy

Although I agree with the first point.

[Jack]

What's more complicated than you thought Andrius? What were you thinking before?

[Jack]

So Zang is the double voter...that seems like a VERY scummy choice for him, knowing Zang.

[Jack]

Did you just remember that or did you have some reason for thinking he wasn't the double voter? You sound pretty sure in the first post.

[Jack]

Nope, I wanted to see what you'd do after I dismissed Zang as x2 Voter.

That doesn't make sense. You are saying you checked the vote counts and saw that he wasn't, then pretend like you hadn't and checked to see what I'd say? Why?

[Jack]

You're zang's scumbuddy, and that's why you instantly knew he wasn't the double voter.

[Jack]

Vas is much too quiet this game.

##vote:Vas

[Jack]

VV is scum. When I played with him as town he was very active to start, discussed the mechanics, requested and

read

meta's. This game he's lurking but pops in when mentioned, with a comment that shows he hasn't been reading that carefully (one of zang/jack is the DV). Fishy makes a good point about how the abilities matter. I don't see why a townie would be not interested in buying a role.

@Fishy: I don't like to make cases often. The above is about as lengthy as I go.

[Jack]

Link to that VV town game, Jack or VV? (Unlike VV, I sometimes don't get round to reading meta I request, but I'll try)

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 45&start=0

[Jack]

So Jack, why did you buy the doublevote?

I already answered that.

[Jack]

willing to talk about the DV which was

obviously

bought by Jack?

Looking at the vote counts, one of Zang/Jack is the DV. It'll be kind of silly for Jack to lie about being the double voter, but that'll be easily apparent soon enough.

@Jack: Cool. There is

such a thing called life

wherein sometimes, when you least expect it, your schedule changes and you have less time for internet mafia. It happens.

I'm here.

Not really interested in talking about mechanics that don't really matter/apply yet.

Spot the changes in story.

[Jack]

SPS, you're the only one on that wagon (me and fishy are on VV). Also, there is no unvoting. Also, that vote doesn't count.

fos:SPS

@zor: I think your vote counter is missing the votes for "VV" and "Vas".

##vote:VasudeVa

[Jack]

Wrong wagon guys. The wagon we are looking for is the Jack wagon which has mysteriously dispersed after some 'OMG DV IS VOTING JACK' shenanigans(which is, ironically, him too.

Don't know what I think of that, but I don't like it.

>.>).

aka "I'm trying to make this sound terribly suspicious but can't"

In other news: For some reason, I am almost always the top choice for D1 wagons >.>.

aka "this wagon on me isn't because I'm scummy; everything scummy that I've done is totally just a null tell guys"

[Jack]

I bought it because I like to gut vote and a double gut vote actually does something. It's like a free persuaded person.

I got it while I was already self voting and that was pretty much a random wagon, so VV's suggestion that I got it to somehow dispel the wagon on me is pretty silly.

[Jack]

Jack is scum.

He needs more votes.

I just bought a second one. Or are you offering to lend me yours?

[Jack]

Flashstorm was really excited about his breaking strategy but has disappeared since.

SaintK was v/la I guess...?

Nobody special "thinks the game is hard" is lurking hardcore.

[Jack]

Jack is scum.

He needs more votes.

I just bought a second one. Or are you offering to lend me yours?

Now that your acknowledging me, are you going to respond to my accusations against you?

I don't understand them.

[Jack]

Perhaps later in the game we can work out a deal with one of the scum where we wire them a bit of extra money and they loan enough to get the money win. I don't care if scum get the money win--it takes them out of the game, and we can lynch a different scum. It is probably prone to abuse by lying scum though.

[Jack]

That seems obviously impossible though...

[Jack]

Yeah, 3 is totally true, regardless of the language argument (and I think it's likely that Vas is being dishonest about his meaning there--english as a second language regardless).

[Jack]

flashstorm was replaced in another game I noticed.

[Jack]

Someone should hammer Vas.

[Jack]

Was rereading and found this:

VV is scum.

##vote:VasudeVa

Why did it take so long to vote VV, Jack?

I voted him in ISO 17 (before first quote). The second vote was because it didn't show up in the vote count.

[Jack]

##Vote:Jack

^^for lack of unvote ability

I'm feeling temporarily tired of this lynch.

[Jack]

##vote:Farside

I don't think I'd mind lynching farside. Tons and tons of setup talk, miniscule amount of scumhunting.

[Jack]

Wow, that killed the vas wagon. Long live the farside wagon.

[Jack]

You know who is lurking hardcore this game?

##vote:Andrius

[Jack]

Ok wow. The farside wagon jumped up out of nowhere. I agree with it to an extent. I just hope these wagons don't push us to what happened in a current game, where the town (before I replaced in) decided to wagon 3 people to L-1 and force claims. /bad idea

Why on earth would you be worried about that? You can't possibly be. No one has been asked to claim, and a claim can't clear anyone because scum can buy the abilities just like town can.

This is totally fake. Andrius needs to be lynched.

[Jack]

No. Andrius is the lynch for today.

[Jack]

Explain to me why we should lynch Andrius over VV today?

He's scummier, see that totally fake bit I quoted. Totally fake scumhunting = mafia every time.

[Jack]

FoS: VV

I've only playing in one other game with him, so I'd have to meta him to see if he's like this when he's scum.

I'm not getting sucked into this ESL debate, since we had enough of that in the other game.

Irrelevant discussion, since I posted above VV:
Not in this game. lol
Nothing's wrong. IRL you? YOU EXIST IRL? We're all actual people? /sarcasm I was wondering what

he

you were holding. I thought it was a cookie. /hungry I like your hair, BTW. The only pic of me that I have on my comp is me in a tux.

OK WOW GUYS. We're arguing over a GRAMMER ERROR? Sheesh. I am not getting involved with an ESL discussion.

Andrius on VV at the time when VV was acting his scummiest. Ever do that meta read Andrius? Also can you explain the comment in that first quote? (the "I'd have to meta him to see if he's like this when he's scum" comment).

I am so sad that we are lynching Andrius today. . I wanted to see him do that thing he did in Greek Mythology(ie. Prance around the thread being confirmed scum. Also call out to your scumbuddies.).

Still, this feels staggeringly similar to his earlier D1 play at Greek Mythology(when I was still alive). (btw, Do other Greek Mythology alumni agree?)

##Vote: Andrius

Ok wow. I have 3 votes on me and you're already proclaiming me lynched? Jumping the gun a bit there, eh Vas?

If you're looking to see me prance around as confirmed scum swing by (censored for ongoing game) where I'm doing it right now, until I'm lynched. I won't do it here because I'm not scum.

"Staggeringly similar?" Personally, I feel that your vote on me was weak. You're basing my entire playstyle over your one experience with me where I was, yes, scumboss. Perhaps you should read into my town games as well, and see if I match. Odd. Since we're dwelling on Greek Mythology, you asked for like, half of the player's meta's in D1 of that game. Strange you're not doing it here.

##Vote: VasudeVa

And now you're willing to lynch anyone but yourself, to save your own hide. Be like Ooba in Greek Mythos D1, where he was willing to die to kill scum. You seem overly concerned with saving your own butt than hunting scum. You're hunting for a good lynch candidate that isn't you. Play pro-town or be lynched, Vas.

Andrius on VV after there are a bunch of votes on Andrius.

[Jack]

VV, vote andrius please.

[Jack]

Yes, could farside and zajnet chime in on what they think? VV is seeming like a lazy lynch at this point.

I'm neutral on fishy. Andrius is much better. See my previous comments.

[Jack]

Haven't seen anything to swing me either way on him.

I disagree with your read of the mistake contradiction business (just read it now). He was saying how he didn't think it was a mistake, and in that ISO 31 was just acknowledging your point, but didn't indicated that it changed his position.

If there's something scummy about him it's likely him tunneling on you when he should have backed off, I'd have to reread that though.

[Jack]

I say things like this:

"I agree that the fact that what you said is pretty obviously a silly thing to say makes it more likely it was a genuine mistake. "

When I'm acknowledging a point that doesn't change my opinion. It's like saying "yes that's true, but inconsequential, now stop talking about it".

[Jack]

Game went great. Sucked to get killed n1 without getting to use the cop ability though.

Last few days were crazy.

[Jack]

Game went great. Sucked to get killed n1 without getting to use the cop ability though.

Last few days were crazy.

Ah, so you had it. I figured after a while that the cop probably got NKed.

People kept asking the cop to claim

I would have cleared NS if I had lived.

[Jack]

Yeah, clearing NS would've been nice. Although that might've gotten a lynch wagon to come my way before I could carry out my crazy plan.

Thanks for helping derail that btw, Spryex. Your efforts were not in vain.

I would have derailed any wagon heading your way

"Voting SK at this point is a scumtell"--Jack in dead QT

[Jack]

Yeah, sure. Here's the dead QT:

http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/kfYByDZVMRnA