Open 221: unclean - Day 3

[DizzyIzzyB13]

I think Crazy is unaware of the rules of the game, or he wouldn't have suggested an idea that is assured not to work on account of the Millers getting townie PMs, thus not knowing they're Millers and obviously being unable to claim.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

What is your policy on lynch all lurkers? (agree, disagree...)
Do you prefer playing as town, mafia, or power roles?
Why did you choose the username you have

- I entirely disagree with the notion that you should lynch all lurkers as a matter of policy, since I'm of the opinion that it's more of something that VTs do.

- Uh, mafia over town, and I love playing power roles.

- My name is Izzy B. I am frequently dizzy, and I was born on the 13th of December.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

No, not really. Getting a prod on everyone at this point is a good idea since it lets everyone know the game has started and stimulates early game discussion.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

I feel that, in order to clarify Rule $#14, I should state that am not a real person. I am made of smoke and mirrors. Shattered mirrors.

Also,

@Mod: You have no rules about prodding. Can you prod everyone now? I'm about to fall asleep here.

Whats up with asking for a prod 2 hours in to the game starting?

Does anyone see this as odd?

Automatic

FoS

for using the word "odd."

People who use words such as "odd" or "interesting" are either too afraid to use the word "scummy," or can't think of a reason why something is scummy.

This post is terrible. Some might even call it odd or interesting.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Footnote in the Third Person

Something that is "odd" is not pro-town. It can only be neutral or scummy. Thus, anyone that uses the word "odd" is either...

a. Referring to something that they think is neutral, which is not a very useful thing to do.

b. Referring to something that they find scummy, but they are too scared to use the term "scummy."

So, if dRool really thought that SV's posts were neutral, then his post #25 was entirely useless.

The only other option is that dRool thought that SV's posts were mildly scummy, or something to examine further. In this case, use of the word "odd" is just being cowardly, meaning he's trying to avoid backlash from SV or being associated with any argument against SV.

Neither of these options are very appealing.

No. I don't think you could be more wrong about this. There are plenty of odd or weird things that are said during a mafia game. The vast majority are not, in the end, scummy or evidence of scumminess. These things are worthy of note, because they could form part of a case against a player when put in a wider context, but alone are just... weird. I'm sure you've seen it plenty of times - people word something in an odd way, draw an unusual conclusion from evidence presented, take an unconventional analytical approach, etc. These things are odd. They are not necessarily scummy.

Frankly, this approach seems liek a weaselly way to attack someone whilst giving yourself some kind of policy excuse to fall back on later... which is more scummy than the behaviour you're accusing other people of.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Scumminess is often determined by context, Crazy. Especially at this point, there just isn't the range of information necessary to put actions in context. Noting things for future consideration is hardly an anti-town action.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Let's turn up the heat a bit.....

Vote Crazy

Do you agree with Izzy's case or with Migwelloni's case?

Izzy's case is meaningless because I think it's clear my interest in weasel words comes from my own experience as scum, and obviously I'm not just making it up.

As for Migwelloni's case, I have no idea what he was getting at. If you do, I'd actually prefer you to explain it rather than him.

I wouldn't even call it a case, considering I haven't even voted for you.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Basically, I put a vote on Crazy to pressure him and see how he reacted. When he didn't react right away, I got impatient and unvoted.

I responded to your post. Were you expecting me to freak out or something?

I wouldn't even call it a case, considering I haven't even voted for you.

Perhaps not. You can substitute in the word "argument" or "suspicion," then.

Neither of those are really quite appropriate. I don't think it says anything about how scummy you are, I'm just saying you're wrong. It's a philosophical debate on how to play mafia more than anything.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Neither of those are really quite appropriate. I don't think it says anything about how scummy you are, I'm just saying you're wrong. It's a philosophical debate on how to play mafia more than anything.

Note:

No. I don't think you could be more wrong about this. There are plenty of odd or weird things that are said during a mafia game. The vast majority are not, in the end, scummy or evidence of scumminess. These things are worthy of note, because they could form part of a case against a player when put in a wider context, but alone are just... weird. I'm sure you've seen it plenty of times - people word something in an odd way, draw an unusual conclusion from evidence presented, take an unconventional analytical approach, etc. These things are odd. They are not necessarily scummy.

Frankly, this approach seems liek a weaselly way to attack someone whilst giving yourself some kind of policy excuse to fall back on later... which is more scummy than the behaviour you're accusing other people of.

Hence the continued conversation leading to further analysis leading to the new conclusion of "wrong, but not in and of itself scummy".

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Tell you what, I will be ready to lynch Migwelloni after Dizzy posts 4 more times.

Would you care to elaborate on this oddly specific condition?

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Tell you what, I will be ready to lynch Migwelloni after Dizzy posts 4 more times.

Would you care to elaborate on this oddly specific condition?

EBWOP to fix tag error for clarity.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

My current top suspect is, and has been (for those of you paying attention), Crazy. I am pretty convinced he's scum, but the rest of you don't see my point of view, so.

I need to re-read but Migwellonioni is pretty up there.

How does the fact that they are currently voting for each other play into your analysis of these players? As they appear based on your statements to be two of your top scum suspects at the moment, do you believe they could be scum together and why do you hold that opinion?

FWIW, I'm not sure either of them have done anything that particularly marks them as scummy, so I'd probably be looking at people driving the wagons based on weak evidence as more likely to be scum.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Shattered Viewpoint is a Parseltongue, so he's either scum or Harry Potter...

The Smashbro case is vaguely interesting, if not compelling or convincing yet. Shattered Viewpoint's enthusiasm is equally interesting.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Crazy: His asking in his first post about everyone's thoughts on a miller claim seems off. It reads to me as more "Hey scum here is the play to make" than "Hey town, here is the optimal play".

I don't understand this. I was telling the scum that the millers should claim?

I think he's insinuating you were inviting the scum to claim to be millers, although I don't see why this would necessarily make you scum.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

I'm of the opinion that Shadow Dancer seems town, and I'm finding his case against Albatross to be the most convincing made so far.

vote: Albatross

for now, closer to the deadline I intend to move to the wagon most likely to give us a lynch since I'm not a fan of no lynching on account of it generally being bad for the town.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

I'm of the opinion that Shadow Dancer seems town, and I'm finding his case against Albatross to be the most convincing made so far.

vote: Albatross

for now, closer to the deadline I intend to move to the wagon most likely to give us a lynch since I'm not a fan of no lynching on account of it generally being bad for the town.

I would like you specifically to say why I am scummy. Don't refrence shadow's case at all.

So... you want me to tell you why you're scummy without being able to reference any of the things that make you scummy?

[DizzyIzzyB13]

My activity is going to be limited for a while on account of the fact that I can't stay on teh forums for long before the hideous new skin starts giving me a migraine. Hopefully, a new one will be up soon...

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Update: Still stuck with hideous migraine inducing skin, so I can't catch up.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Sigh. Checking in after a prod. Still waiting for a skin that I can read without getting migraines. If the mod wishes to replace me, I'll understand.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

'Kay, now I've made a couple of changes to my monitor, I might actually be able to catch up...

[DizzyIzzyB13]

WARNING: The following post is long!

I'm of the opinion that Shadow Dancer seems town, and I'm finding his case against Albatross to be the most convincing made so far.

Why?

You never answered this, Dizzy.

Which bit are you questioning? If you're asking why I found Shadow Dancer to be town, it's because when he replaced in, he made a concerted effort to actually look for scum and generally did all he could to help the town. There's nothing scummy in Shadow Dancer's behaviour after he joined the game. Especially since he, y'know, flipped town. As for the Albatross case, it was a coherent case that made sense and was being proposed by someone I had a town read on. Of the pretty poor set of cases being made at that point in the game, it was the most convincing. I'm inclinded to disregard it now, though, since KittyMo's swayed closer to pro-town territory in the slot.

Picking up prod. I don't like hime either.

Vote: Albatross

what a jerk.

I am in awe of the quality of ths post.

Prod picked up.

In the interest of getting the game moving again.....

##Vote - Albatross

Also this one.

I put someone on L-1 because the case on them is the best thing that we have going right now. This game is at a virtual standstill, and something needs to happen.

Pre-emptive excuse noted.

What is your policy on lynch all lurkers?

We know less about lurkers (obviously), so lynching them is a gamble. I'd only take that risk if the rest of us seem like town.

Do you prefer playing as town, mafia, or power roles?

Mafia. It's fun sit back and watch everybody ruthlessly throw accusations at each other knowing that almost all of them are totally wrong. I find VT the most challenging role though, and I enjoy a good challenge.

Why did you choose the username you have

I've always thought names with Zero were cool, and I like wolves.

I'll post my analysis of the game tomorrow morning. My gf nearly committed suicide to day so I was understandably pre-occupied tonight.

That must suck. Sorry dude.

Ok, first things first. I don't particularly like SV's argument. It's very weak, based off of Alb's first post (which wasn't substantial) and his request that you post. I also don't like how everyone just hopped blindly on to his wagon. Seeing as there was no case, I'm betting that the mafia are likely voting Alb right now.

I'd love to post more, but nothing else really happened. SD really seemed like mafia at the end of day 1 (mostly due to his long post), and he was VT.

Well, now, knowing that he was the last remaining cop, this whole discussion makes more sense. Dead!Crazy, I'm sorry I found you scummy for just doing your job.

You're apologizing for trying to get the cop lynched with a winky face and an exclamation mark on the fact that he's dead. Dare I say you're celebrating the death of a PR?

Hi.

Crazy is my first town read.

This. Is. Scummy. Your first post in the game, no reasoning,

and you're right.

Explain, please. Or can't you? (I shall take this opportunity to state my read on you. I think you're scum.)

So you vote based on his first post because it happened to be right. Guess what? Crazy just so happened to also be a cop. Even the scum have no way of knowing this. Furthermore, Crazy posted a possible breaking strategy for town within the first three posts of the game. I read him as pretty solid town, but you said you thought him scum. You then proceed to start a bandwagon on Alb without good reason.

On the Alb bandwagon: JR voted to lynch to keep the game moving. I don't think this is a scummy action, because the more talk we have as a town, the better off we are (I still don't agree with his vote but I understand it). SSS posted a flawed, but none the less better argument for lynching alb. His was actually substantial. SV voted with barely a reason and McGriddle voted him because "he's a jerk". IMO this is a scum slip. He knows the game is dead and just wants a lynch so he can win. He doesn't even care if he gave a proper reason or not. His quick vote of SD also makes me suspect him highly, even if it was for someone I thought was scum.

This isn't going to earn me popularity and I'm not sure what good it will do this late in the day, but I'm going to attempt to get this dead game alive and in the right direction.

Vote: McGriddle

+1 for actually following up on a promised post. That almost never happens. I don't necessarily agree with the content of this post (the Crazy stuff is sketchy, for example), but it at least seems like a genuine attempt to look for and lynch scum.

Well, now, knowing that he was the last remaining cop, this whole discussion makes more sense. Dead!Crazy, I'm sorry I found you scummy for just doing your job.

You're apologizing for trying to get the cop lynched with a winky face and an exclamation mark on the fact that he's dead. Dare I say you're celebrating the death of a PR?

I was apologizing because I was driving him so hard, thinking he was scummy,

and I was wrong.

When I'm wrong, I say I'm wrong. And the exclamation mark simply denotes status (for example, dead!Crazy, zombie!Crazy, town!Crazy, etc.). I was addressing that remark to dead!Crazy, just in case he was reading along.

Hi.

Crazy is my first town read.

This. Is. Scummy. Your first post in the game, no reasoning,

and you're right.

Explain, please. Or can't you? (I shall take this opportunity to state my read on you. I think you're scum.)

So you vote based on his first post because it happened to be right. Guess what? Crazy just so happened to also be a cop. Even the scum have no way of knowing this. Furthermore, Crazy posted a possible breaking strategy for town within the first three posts of the game. I read him as pretty solid town, but you said you thought him scum. You then proceed to start a bandwagon on Alb without good reason.

The scum may have no way to have known Crazy was a cop, but Albatross

knew Crazy was town.

That's what I was pointing out. Albatross called Crazy out as town, and was right. No one could have possibly known that except scum.

I've pointed out all my reasons for thinking Crazy was scummy, and I've been proven wrong. You've never been wrong reading someone's alignment?

On the Alb bandwagon: JR voted to lynch to keep the game moving. I don't think this is a scummy action, because the more talk we have as a town, the better off we are

I fail to see how these two sentences connect. Yes, I agree, the more time we have to discuss things, the better, however, JR voting to lynch Albatross doesn't exactly give us more time. In fact, it gets us one vote closer to the lynch, which shortens our time and deprives us of discussion. Again, I fail to see the connection.

Defensive much? Not necessarily a scum tell on it's own, but I've got my eye on you.

Your case on me is all an opinion. A wrong one. I know this game is dead so I am merely stirring up controversy.

Straight from overly defensive to not defensive at all. Which is also not necessarily a scum tell, but with McGriddle, there's more corroborating evidence for such a read. Also, the last comment... you're not helping yourself, dude.

Also, if you don't like wall posts, suck it up. Read what I have to say. It's not like there's been a whole lot to read here; 10 pages and it's almost the end of Day 2.

Those of you that are town and are posting bland one-liners are disgracing your alignment and need to do something about it. Yes, this game is mountainous, blah blah blah. I believe we can win 6-3 mountainous. I don't believe we can do it if people don't shape up and do their part. Instead of complaining about how other people aren't posting, go and read and annoy scum with questions to force them to quit lurking and say something scummy. This game isn't hopeless. You'd better not give up, because I'm not giving up.

Oh, and scum? Just gimme a bit for me to vote your ass. I'm looking forward to finding you. <3

Rah rah rah, go Town! There's absolutely no content in this post but I do like the attitude.

Zero: I'm somewhat willing to join the McGriddle wagon, mostly because of

Your case on me is all an opinion. A wrong one. I know this game is dead so I am merely stirring up controversy.

This post strikes me as dishonest and like he's almost trying to suck up to you because you had said Johnny Rotten was acting pro-town for putting someone at L-1 to start discussion, so he claims to be doing the same. I don't see an honest attempt to stir up controversy.

Wagon analysis tells me that there's 1 or 2 scum in Johnny Rotten/smashbro/McGriddle. There's also 1 or 2 in Dizzy/SV/MPR/jmj. This is obviously going to be more helpful with fewer dead players around.

Not done reading. If I get a chance to check in in about 4 hours, I will, but it may be fairly late tomorrow morning before I place down a vote.

I hope to be happily surprised with what is posted before I return.

Question: How effective do you find wagon analysis to be? My experience has found it to be hit or miss. To me, it's one of those elements that can be helpful so long as you don't put too much faith in it. Is that your opinion?

I like the McGriddle analysis, though.

This is

sad

.

I can find time to post here and I`m not only not at home, but not even in a place with a computer. o_o?

Reading the game is annoying as hell using this.

Oh, and I`m at L-1, so I might as well claim. =P

Day Cop with unlimited investigations per day. However, my results aren`t guaranteed to be accurate.

(Scumhunting Townie w/ a sense of humor :3)

HEY YOU PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO HAVE NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT:
I demand that you give a stance on my posts asap. Oh, and go find scum, too.

Love,
KittyMo

Over-reaction much to about 2 and a quarter hours in which she made several posts and nobody else posted?

KittyMo.....I don't believe you? A day cop with unlimited investiagtions? No f'n way.

And, as has been said before, I put the L1 vote on because we needed SOMETHING to talk about. And, it worked.

*facepalm*

Unvote

you're place is no longer held by a jerk.

*double facepalm*

Unvote

you're place is no longer held by a jerk.

1. Is being a jerk a scumtell? If so, why? If not, why did you vote me for being a jerk? (Well, my predecessor.)
2. I thought you agreed with Shattered Viewpoint that I was scum. Why did your opinion change?
3. Am I scum? If so, who are my buddies? If not, who is scum?

Fun fact: I laughed really hard the first time I read your post. Are you serious with the whole jerk thing? o_o

Ick, buddy analysis requests. DO NOT WANT. Questions are generally good, though.

Hi.

Crazy is my first town read.

This. Is. Scummy. Your first post in the game, no reasoning,

and you're right.

Explain, please. Or can't you? (I shall take this opportunity to state my read on you. I think you're scum.)

I would be very surprised if Crazy flipped scum.

I want to see a post from Shattered Viewpoint right now.

One of {Migwelloni, Johnny Rotten} is probably scum. Probably not both though.

It had been less than 18 hours since my last post. Why the urgency? Why me, specifically?

I'm not liking Albatross right now.

The scum may have no way to have known Crazy was a cop, but Albatross

knew Crazy was town.

That's what I was pointing out. Albatross called Crazy out as town, and was right. No one could have possibly known that except scum.

Shattered Viewpoint finds Albatross to be scummy for stating a town read without reasoning, when Albatross did indeed give reasoning in this post.

Shattered Viewpoint finds Albatross to be scummy for specifically asking for him to post.

Shattered Viewpoint also finds Albatross to be scummy because there was "no possible way" for Albatross to have a town read on someone who was town and nightkilled night 1.

Nope. Didn't find Alba

scummy

for asking me to post; it just bothered me. The rest of your reads are generally correct.

You're being much more town than Alba ever was. I'm still bothered by the clairvoyance demonstrated by Alba in his very first post; however, you're doing great so far.

unvote

Buddying and more demonstrations of excessive defensiveness noted.

Shattered -- Perhaps you caught his interest. That seems to somehow make you uncomfortable, which seems odd to me..

Would like to see a new vote placed soon from you. Not doing much good in not voting land.

Picks up on the defensiveness, but not so much on the buddying. Odd, and possibly responsible for the next post...

Wow. You have less patience than I do. I

like

that!

Vote tomorrow (need to re-read McG. You bring up good points). Sleep now.

More blatant buddying from SV to KM.

Lol no, I am just pushing the game along, slowly nut surely. I'm pretty bored lol

...

Alrighty, so, yeah, Kitty, welcome! Now, onto a case. I'm not gonna support one against you today, but we'll have to see how you play out tomorrow.

vote: jmj3000

Ok, after reading over the topic, I have to say Crazy and Migwelloni/Shadow Dancer are two of my top suspects, with SSSS and Albatross my third strongest scum vibes.

...[evidence for everyone]...

Vote: SSSS

This is his first (and one of very few) posts involving scum hunting. He says that Crazy and Migwelloni/Shadow Dancer are his top two suspects, with Albatross and me tied for third. So he decides to vote for...me? I don't understand how I warranted a vote, but his "top two scum reads" did not even receive an FoS. To me, this seems like he wants to agree with the town, and yet not be liable when either of them would come up as town.

Ok, I understand if you find my questioning scummy. That is one topic in itself. But if you find me tied for the third scummiest, behind Crazy and Migwelloni/Shadow Dancer, then why vote me and not them? It doesn't seem to follow.

The reason I voted you and not Crazy or Shadow Dancer is because lately my top scum reads have been off. Therefore, I didn't use them to influence my decision on who to vote. I stated those reads just so they were out there and to get conversation going, but the vote is where I want it. I don't like how SV just went and followed along and voted without any explanation.

FoS: SV

[sarcasm]Oh. So that makes sense, right? Since the people he sees as most scummy don't end up being scum, he jump skipped those two slots.[/sarcasm] ... What? I don't understand how that makes any sense? Why not use reads to influence who you vote?

So, to prove that this isn't an OMGUS case, I will outline how his other votes are scummy.

...

OK, so he has no other votes. Or comments. On anything going on. While, i'll allow that he has been gone for some time (I hope everything is better with the problems at home), it still isn't enough for me.

This post doesn't sit well with me, particularly because jmj's been sorta replaced because he's been having issues and with that taken into account, it really weakens the case being made here. It kinda strikes me as someone going for an easy target without thinking it through. Plus, having played in a few recent jmj games... I know his reads have been really off. He's also demonstrated a thought process that seems consistent with him choosing to go for lesser reads because of a lack of confidence in his ability, particularly as town. Eh. I'm not entirely sure my jmj read isn't skewing my analysis of this post, though.

Lol no, I am just pushing the game along, slowly nut surely. I'm pretty bored lol

Answer my questions. I made them just for you! Don't make me sad.

Wow. You have less patience than I do. I

like

that!

Vote tomorrow (need to re-read McG. You bring up good points). Sleep now.

Screw sleep. I stayed up 40 mins later than I'd wanted to reading this. Scumhunting > everything on the importance scale.

Player Analysis

ZeroFang is town. Reading him and Alduskkel, there's just no way.

jmj3000 looks townish to me, mostly because of this post. URoE seems relatively neutral, though, so I'm less sure on this.

That leaves 6 people, half of which are scum.
JR/SSS/MCGriddle <--- 1-2 scum here prob
Dizzy/SV/MPR <--- 1-2 scum here prob

McGriddle

Based on his posting style, I had assumed he was a complete noob that a lot of people were misunderstanding, but looking at some posts from other games, they are always higher quality than any post here is, which I think means he's active lurking because he doesn't actually feel like scumhunting. Which, well, is scummy in this situation. Plus the other point I brought up. Then again, his behavior in general confuses me so I don't feel like I can figure out what the hell is going through his mind at this point. All reading drool told me, really, was that drool was intelligent; his posts didn't really help me decipher the alignment here.

smashbro_of_the_sss

Well, his last post was a week ago, and I witnessed his name in the online users area last night, so clearly he is purposefully avoiding this game. That said, his first 3-4 posts look townish, so I'm torn on this guy. The reason I voted him was trying to draw him to the thread to complain about me voting him, but it failed. Conclusion: Not enough information.

Shattered Viewpoint

Don't like this post from him, or when he was trying to push URoE to vote Albatross hurriedly when they'd had 3 whole days til deadline left, espec since Albatross hadn't even posted in a week. SV is obviously not the only one to blame for this; nobody in this game really seems to care about asking the mod to prod or replace people. SV's town I ~think~.

Johnny Rotten

He generally does have a lot of fluff and following people around. I had originally thought the getting the game moving attempt posts were pro-town, but I now think there's a good chance he's faking it since he barely commented on anything I said EXCEPT the joking stuff, and he's basically been posting one-liners all game except to OMGUS people.

MehPlusRawr

Apparently this guy isn't a chronic lurker/fluff poster. o_o If this was a normal game, I'd pressure his ass, but everyone else here is almost as bad, so I'm a bit confused where to start. Nothing he's said is all that pro-town so hrm.

Dizzy

She was acting pro-town, but at the same time she's pinging my gut. Don't like the way she's phrased the complaints about the forum skins. Meh.

So, yay, my reads suck!

vote MehPlusRawr

Johnny Rotten or McGriddle are also acceptable.

Definitely would appreciate new insight from people, though. I need my reads cleared up. Doesn't help that I'm trying to do this when I barely just woke up, though. I'm off to eat breakfast and such things.

Excedrin: Please replace smashbro & Dizzy, and prod MehPlusRawr. Thanks.

I would point out that it's not just this thread where I've been complaining about the new, hideous skin. Bright backgrounds are never a good idea when you have to read things on computer screens. The fact that most word processors have a white background as default is one of the major causes of eye strain when using computers. And as someone with a number of minor visual impariments, this skin is like kryptonite for the eyes.

Reasonable analysis helps solidify my lean town read, although I'd certainly disagree with some of it (notably SV, who's not looking great) and question the MehPlusRawr vote over Johnny or McGriddle who seem more solidly scummy.

Kitty Mo, what made you vote MehPlusRoar rather than Johnny Rotten or McGriddle?

Huh, a sensible point...

Kitty Mo, what made you vote MehPlusRoar rather than Johnny Rotten or McGriddle?

McGriddle wagon's moving too fast, and my gut said to vote MPR over Johnny Rotten. I think at least one of MPR and Johnny is scum based on MPR's vote of him, though I'm not sure which one it was, or if it was a bussing vote.

I think getting a flip on potential scum will definitely shed more insight on this game, even if they flip town. Actually, it's lylo tomorrow if we're wrong, eh? At least scum won't ever be around for a quick quickhammer.

I'm not sure gut is really enough to vote for a lurker over someone who's actually scummy, but that might just be me.

McGriddle

The ISO on him gives little to work with, since he only places two votes through the game. One is the hammer on Shadow Dancer, and the other is below:

Picking up prod. I don't like hime either.

Vote: Albatross

what a jerk.

Unvote

you're place is no longer held by a jerk.

While people didn't like the slot, I'm not sure how well that qualifies for reasons to vote and unvote. He also claims to be "pushing the game along:

Lol no, I am just pushing the game along, slowly nut surely. I'm pretty bored lol

But I don't see how.

{More ISOs to come, dependant on time}

Shallow analysis (votes aren't the only thing you can look at, y'know) that just picks on an easy target. Color me unimpressed.

How the hell is my wagon justified? I have not done anything scummy, just a lot of things that are stupid, which btw are crazy bids to weed out scum who are looking for easy tells. But regardless, how the hell does me being a moron make me scummy?

Anyone can try and write off scummy behaviour as stupidity and/or out of the box scum-hunting. How, pray tell, do you think you've been hunting scum with your actions?

I mean, you keep saying what you're doing is helping you find scum, but I'm not seeing that from you. You say you're acting weird to get attention, and then you complain when you get it. What are you looking for, Griddle?

I find myself in complete agreement with this post.

KittyMo is acting good.

Anything else to add? Like, say, a response to her voting you? As it stands, all this post does is make her vote for you look better.

I tend to point out scum in my games so I know what I am doing. All I ask is for a little confidence in trust.

So, you've got nothing, then? Ugh, this is just so stupid, I don't know if it's managed to go beyond scummy or not...

I tend to point out scum in my games so I know what I am doing. All I ask is for a little confidence in trust.

ATTACK OF THE SPARKLES

Sparkles pretty. Yes, this is an entirely useless comment.

So far what I can pull out of my experience, Johny Rotten is up there on top of my list and SSS is near the bottom. Going from scum at top and town at the bottom. That is all I am going to say right now.

We're approaching a deadline, you're looking scummy and being asked to help yourself... and this is all you can do?

So far what I can pull out of my experience, Johny Rotten is up there on top of my list and SSS is near the bottom. Going from scum at top and town at the bottom. That is all I am going to say right now.

Good question.

Why are you talking in glitter?

Bad question, and bad question avoidance.

So far what I can pull out of my experience, Johny Rotten is up there on top of my list and SSS is near the bottom. Going from scum at top and town at the bottom. That is all I am going to say right now.

Fine,

Vote: Johny Rotten

The manner of this post is less "I'm going to vote for someone I was going to vote for anyway" and more "Get off my back, I did what you want". Bas posting.

New D2 deadline Wednesday, June 30, 2010 at 4:30:00 PM (San Jose time)

Not good.

unvote, vote: MehPlusRoar

His Day 1 play was fine for me, but on Day 2, he seems to have forgotten about the game, having only 3 posts.

Hi guys, forgot about this game after the downtime. *bookmark*

Prod picked up.

In the interest of getting the game moving again.....

##Vote - Albatross

You L-1 someone just to get the game moving again? With no reasoning whatsoever?
VOTE: Johnny Rotten

KittyMo is acting good.

While I agree with the reasoning behind his vote, but he avoided commenting on anything else. Well, except that KittyMo is acting good. I'm just wondering if it includes voting for him. Most of the cases are based off of lack of help, which could really mean anyone.

If tomorrow comes around, and there still is no clear lynch, I'll vote for whoever, though right now it looks like Johnny Rotten (2), McGriddle (1), and KittyMo (1) are the only other wagons left. JR I'm torn on though, because I liked his play on Day 1, but was acting scummy Day 2.

Oh look, Smashbro's found another easy target.

So far what I can pull out of my experience, Johny Rotten is up there on top of my list and SSS is near the bottom. Going from scum at top and town at the bottom. That is all I am going to say right now.

Fine,

Vote: Johny Rotten

1) Voting because someone else tells you to?

2) Voting with no reason specified?

3) Potential town player?

Vote: McGriddle

I can't really argue with that, but something about it makes me want to.

Tomorrow. DEADLINE IS TOMORROW.

I've never really learned MafiaMath too well, so I don't really know for certain whether we're screwed if we no-lynch, but no-lynching is generally BAD.

I'd be up for lynching any of: McG, JohhnyR, Meh+Rawr

I'll give reasoning if I switch votes.

Maybe if you explained why you'd vote for any one of them NOW it might help the town come to a consensus. But that would be too helpful...

I think if I knew McGriddle in person or something I could figure out what the heck is going through his/her mind right now, it would be fairly easy to tell his/her alignment, but I'm pretty much at a loss right now. I have no idea if he'll flip scum, but it honestly might pacify my mind to not have him around tomorrow.

Johnny Rotten I can go either way on, and I like my MPR vote fine for now.

tl;dr I agree with Shattered Viewpoint

See above, though you do seem to have made more and better effort than SV in explaining why you might vote for them earlier.

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Caught up. I can't really do anything here than VOTE: McGriddle. He's been here and posting often enough to defend himself, yet he's consistently failed to do so. He's thrown a vote on recently solely because he was pushed into it. He's been evasive when questions, behaved stupidly, generally been no help and some hinderance to the town and aside from a nagging sense that he's managed to be so scummy and stupid he must be town, he's the person I'm most confident will flip scum. I guess if necessary, I'd flip to Johnny Rotten, Smashbro, Shattered Viewpoint or MehPlusRawr (in that order) if necessary to get the town a lynch.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

@Dizzyizzy: Holy crap, I could read War & Peace in less time. While I can vouch for you bitching about the skin in other threads, I think you're trying to overcompensate. Also, your comments about me are pointlessly bitchy. What did I ever do to you?

It's nothing personal, you're just kinda scummy.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Me: "I know it is WIFOM"
You: "Hello, WIFOM!"

Me: "doing stupid crap so I could draw out some scum from their log cabins" "it did fail a little"
You: "you have a "pretty picture" as to who's scum"

You: "you're trying so hard to be seen as town"
Me: "I tried to stir up a little controversy by doing stupid crap"

If anyone can't tell, take a look at my wagon. Not many of the people have a good scum tell out of me, they base it all off of my being stupid. So pay attention to those who are looking for and easy lynch.

You're only an easy lynch because you're acting stupid and scummy.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

For those who seem to think that a mass claim is a good idea, exactly how does 7 people claiming vanilla townie help us?

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Frankly, posts 303 and 305 make Johnny Rotten my #1 suspect right now. 303 basically says "Scum are awesome, go scum" and 305 is far, far too eager to appear town by rushing into claimning as part of a mass claim that cannot do anything to benefit the town. I'm also sketchy about Klone because of the massclaim idea, although I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt there as he's only just replaced in.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Man, I wrote out a snarky response to ZeroFang caling me "he", but then ~I realised they'd stolen away the gender icons with the move. Boooo....

Johnny Rotten wasn't exactly looking like the most townish person before today, and then those two posts just sounded off a giant "I'm scum" alarm. If it wasn't LYLO, I'd definitely be voting for him right now.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

VOTE: Klone

[DizzyIzzyB13]

;_; Why must I be the one who's voted off? How could that me so scummy?

You weren't voted out for being scummy, you were voted off because a stupid player voted for you and allowed the scum team to lynch you for the win.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Plus the fact that they actually cared about the game gave them town-points because scum are more likely to utilize the lurky environment.

This particular fallacy is wonderful when you're scum.