Mini 978 - The Wire Mafia - Game Over!

[camn]

/confirm

[camn]

Well.. I don't really see why we have to wait 24 hours, if ML is going to leave the thread open... but I guess it is for the best. It is finals week!

Speaking of that, you should all know that I will be studying mostly until the end of the week... then I will have more free time. Of course, since I am studying, I dont get to listen to music. It distracts me. NO MUSIC.
But on the way home I

was

listening to a song called "Eyes of an Angel". I forget who it was by. Some European folky group. I liked it.

Anyway, our votes dont count till tomorrow.. so

FOS: BALTHAR

For ignoring me in your post-1 banter.

I hate being ignored.

[camn]

psh, you ignored me first in the mini theme queue. brat.

A) I am no brat.
B) Who monitors the Queue?!

[camn]

VOTE SOTTY

yay!

[camn]

Also, once the day starts we should quicklynch Sotty. I'm completely serious about this.

WHy, btw?

[camn]

Also, once the day starts we should quicklynch Sotty. I'm completely serious about this.

WHy, btw?

Super secret awesome reasons.

Also, vengence kill, which I'm sure someone of your constitution could appreciate.

Indeed I can appreciate that.

Can you name the game?

[camn]

Sotty.. do you have any rebuttal before you go?

Are you SO AWESOME as scum that we would be loathe to let you live?

[camn]

VPB = Town.

I see your move here.

Jason: Are you scum?
If so, is Sotty?

[camn]

Its DYing.

[camn]

UNVOTE
VOTE DEER

agreed.

[camn]

Please, VP. I am as town as the day is long.
The fact that you can't see it yet is your problem.

it is interesting that fate is doing your dirty work for you. Since when does that happen?

[camn]

UNVOTE
Vote: Animorph

Although I do dislike the RVS.. it clearly was a joke.
One that deserves votes and scorn... but building a serious case around it? I dont think so.

I agree that Fate's vote on my is suspect.
But I will defer judging him until the end of another game we are in. Once it is open for discussion, we will have something to discuss

Furthermore, I agree with CDB re: the jason/sotty stuff. I am not really interested in a meta case this early on... but if I had to pick a side, I would pick JASON SCUM.

[camn]

VP not noticing how obvtown I am?
I know.. It is TOTALLY not a towntell!

And yes, to your above question. Relevance?
Do you see animorph's persistence as townie?

[camn]

So this is a policy lynch you are looking for, ani?

[camn]

You were already voting ani.

Huh.

hmm.
He was actually supporting your vote on me.
Funny you didn't notice that.

Animorph: you get scummier by the post. What is your fixation?

[camn]

Ani= scum.
Sens= town. He is playing just like every other town game I have ever seen him in. And seriously... noticing >I< am town hardly takes a genius. I am like, the most obv of obv.
jason.. town or ani's partner? Cant see why he would try to start up a competing wagon unless he was one of those..

Fate.. I am agreeing with everything you have said recently...
However, your play here is wildly different than your play in our short, recently abandoned game.. where you were town?

Why is it different? Could it be that your alignment is different? Is it the lack of Sociopath? Please explain.

[camn]

@ Jason.. please. go fish for your own meta. Maybe this?
But I wont argue with you anymore. If you don't like his play.. keep up your aggression. I would.
I think it is pointless, though.. cuz I think he is town.
You are right though.. calling me town IS a pretty easy way to get on my good side!

@ Ani... seriously. This obsession of yours would be the lamest reason ever for a lynch.. but it really is ridiculous. And weird. and not particularly pro town.

PS.. where is everyone else? I begin to tire of you three.

[camn]

Hence why I didn't want a mass name claim.
.

When did you express this? I dont remember it.

[camn]

make more sense please.

[camn]

UNVOTE

Too insane to be scum.

VOTE: JEBUS

Low activity level only. Plus, I copied his name in some game, like, 500 times in one post. It still gives me flashbacks.

[camn]

ha ha. Just Iso'd Jebus.

UNVOTE

now.. hmm..
..

VOTE: FATE

Fate.. I am agreeing with everything you have said recently...
However, your play here is wildly different than your play in our short, recently abandoned game.. where you were town?

Why is it different? Could it be that your alignment is different? Is it the lack of Sociopath? Please explain.

You aswered this earlier by saying "vvvvvvvvvv"
I dont understand that answer, and I would like a real one..

[camn]

You aswered this earlier by saying "vvvvvvvvvv"
I dont understand that answer, and I would like a real one..

vvvvvvvvvvvvvv (Hint: they are arrows)

ah.
Well, that is a lie. There is a rhyme and a reason to everyone's play. You aren't special. That is just a cop out to avoid explaining yourself. Like a self imposed post restriction (which is jebus btw)

I am not a strict lynch-all-liars type... But I certainly support lynching people who are obstructionist.
If you are going to continue to refuse to answer straight questions, then You are of little help to the town. Thus I am ok with your lynch as of now.

If you are town, How can I convince you to play better?

Also +1 to VP in not explaining townreads. There is really no need.

[camn]

^^ I agree.
He did say he was semi-VLA until tuesday... so I'll give him a day or two, though.

[camn]

Actually if Fate does flip scum I think camn is a more likely buddy with how she voted Jebus before jumping on the Fate wagon. Considering she already had aired some doubts about Fate I find that a strange progress.

Can anybody explain to me why Jebus isn't being intensely anti-town? Camn, you seem to be particularly aware and not all that bothered about this self-imposed post restriction.

How do you know Jebus' PR is self imposed? I will admit that I can't see how being silent works in this game, but you seem to know more than you are letting on.

I simply am SPECULATNG that jebus's PostRestriction is self-imposed. It would be a good excuse for Jebus-scum to cover up his lurkiness.
The reason I am 'not bothered' is because I consider it unlynchable day-1.
Day2, day3 .. we'll see if it still exists. But In my exp, restrictions don't last forever.

Does Fate seem desperate to anyone else?

[camn]

Ha ha, fate. It was more like this:

camn- Hey fate.. you are acting different. Why is that?
fate- I dont answer questions like that.. cuz I always act different. VV^^--^^VV!
/fate changes his play to conform to his town meta
/camn fails to be impressed
fate - WHOA CAMN! what now?! My meta iz all town!! omg! whyz no unvotz??!

Ps. I can't hammer you, I am already voting you.
Pps.. your town meta isn't particularly pro-town, either, imo.

[camn]

Dear Fate,
I like you at L-1, there is no need for your hammer just yet.

HOWEVER..
I would like your rolename.

You should know:
I don't like your claim.
I think it is a lie.
I don't like your playstyle.
I don't think it helps the town.
INFO helps the town. And we are getting a lot of it right now.
But we need more. So spill it.

The problem with your claim is in the endgame.
It is unconfirmable, and almost unlynchable in endgame.
SO, although we could be wrong about you being scum, we could just as easily change our minds and ALSO be wrong about you being town.
If we are wrong about you being town (meaning you are scum) then you win, because of the difficulty to lynch you in Lylo-1.
If we are wrong about you being scum TODAY, then it might be a big loss losing two townies, but we can recover from it.

SO YES.

I will hammer you

.
Because I have a secret of my own. One that only comes out in the event of my death. So If we are wrong, and I die... we actually gain something.
I was hoping to draw a nightkill... but this will do.

UNVOTE

ps.. I don't need your townpoints. I share your statistic.
I have never been mislynched. And if you are scum, you can forget about it happening this game.
Of course, if you are town.. you better start playing better soon.. or we are both dead.

[camn]

Firstly, I'm good for the town alive or dead.
Secondly, I won't die cuz Fate is lying scum.

Truly, though.. The correct play is for the second scummiest player to hammer, other than Fate himself.

Should we vote on that?

[camn]

I know that. I just really doubt that Fate is telling the truth. It's such a dumb claim as town.. Because it would only stop scum from hammering. And I don't really think Fate is dumb, thus he must be scum.

I vote animorph to hammer.

But I would also like to hear Fates thoughts on my last couple posts, if he can be serious for once.

@ani: scum generally kill me. I wouldn't doubt that

[camn]

your right about ani. I wasn't thinking.

Fate should self hammer.

If he is town, he screwed up pretty badly... And any scum will never hammer him.
Luckily he is scum.

Open question: am I crazy? Or is a townie claiming supersaint a terrible idea?

[camn]

Deer. If we ask you to hammer, you either hammer him, or we all lynch you today.
Just saying.

+1

[camn]

vote : Deer

Deer- if fate were town, do you think his claim was a good play?
If he were scum?

[camn]

Not an answer. Try again.

[camn]

Ps.. What happened to Fate? Think he feels the winds changing, so he is laying low? Or maybe he is just ashamed of himself? I would like his response.

[camn]

+1 Deer lynch.
If he dies he is scum
if he lives he is confirmed.
If scum kill him, they just killed someone scummy instead of someone like me .

Forcing scum to do what we want to do anyway = win.

[camn]

VP, you aren't making a ton of sense. We, the town, DONT know if he is telling the truth.
Running him up answers that question. It isn't a waste.
If it leads to scum killing him, then we are no worse than a mislynch and a no-kill at night.. which is a total WIN for town if you ask me.

If he is a liar, which he could easily be, then we hit scum, which is also a win.

The only downside is if he is lying and we DON'T run him up. Scum WIFOMs us for a couple days and then we are forced to lynch him later if we want to win.

[camn]

Dear everyone:

Please

start playing your roles better.
Please.

Deer: If you are telling the truth (which I doubt).. why did you bother telling us you were 1-shot? Now we have to lynch you twice.
If you would have kept your mouth shut, you could have commanded a scum nightkill... which should be the true goal of every vanilla townie.
Hopefully, if you ARE town, you are actually double-lying, and are actually truly unlynchable. Then if scum try to mislynch you in Lylo, they will fail.
Actually, nevermind. You are scum. Your play re: fate exposed it. Your claim isn't credible. and we have nothing to lose by hanging you.

Fate.. if you WERE a bomb, you misplayed it. But you aren't.. and I actually am NOT a lynch-all-liars fan. I believe you lied, and I think it was a clever pay as town. (or scum). as long as you don't get too scummy, you have a townread from me.

Someone hammer Deer, please. This day exhausts me.

[camn]

Calling the bluff!

[camn]

Hmm. I am slightly uncomfortable with the presence of 'survivors'.
Do they change balance? Can we still think 3 scum? hmm.


That aside.. These are my gut reads as of now:

NON-scum on:
animorph
fate
sensfan
camn

I am wishy-washy/probtown on:
Deer
Jebus
Locke
Delibird

and scummy on:
jason
Sotty
raider.

Deers play was horrible, and his claim was horrible.
I can't get my head around it.

Sotty - I was thinking town overnight, but I could see VPB as a revenge kill of some sort.
Looking at the initial Sotty wagon.. it seems pretty town-driven.
If she were town, I think it would have picked up more steam.

@Jebus: is your restriction lifted? I hope so.

@Animorph: Did you get any results? I am unsure if you should tell us who you targeted.. thinking that would narrow the target-pool. But do you have any guilties?

[camn]

I am slightly against that at first blush.

If only snitches are survivors, and only snitches can empower our investigators.... then them claiming makes them targets.

On the other hand.. if there are more than one, than the scum can't kill them all.. and we get some info out of it.

[camn]

Hm. Good point.

I should read more.
Setup speculation is a weak point of mine

[camn]

How about this:

VP knew who some of the scum were, right?
I believe that even as a 'survivor' he likes to taste the blood of scum.

VOTE: SOTTY

[camn]

I'm dead serious about the Sotty wagon as my first wagon of the game. I haf evidence. .

[camn]

But if he had a pre-existing out-of-game grudge.. PLUS inside knowledge that it was a righteous wagon... I say he would go for it.

PLUS... VP >DIDN'T< avoid being killed. He WAS killed. Thus it makes even MORE sense that he actually attacked scum... be it in his interest or not.

[camn]

UNVOTE
FOS: JASON

until i count votes

Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim can take an eternity.

[camn]

I count 4.
Which should be L-2.
I am not interested in a quicklynch.. but My vote is there in spirit.

Jason: claim or die.

[camn]

Jason.. I hate to ruin the show for you, but Herc turns out to be dirty.

Your results from last night?
And why didn't you present them already?

[camn]

Ha ha.

Back to the game..
I don't think you can investigate anything at all.
Who is your partner again? Does your PM name the player that is your partner?

@ Animorph - Do you know anything about the identity of your partner?

[camn]

Like this?

I work for Lieutenant Cedric Daniels in the Narcotics devision for several years, with my friend Thomas “Herc” Hauk. Then it goes on about Lt. Daniels being put in Charge of this case, and me following him. I'm apparently wary of Detective Kima Greggs, who is also in the Narcotics division, because she's a better cop then I am, but I'm going to do my best anyways.

[camn]

I confirm Sens's claim
If scum want to kill either of us, it will just confirm the other. Which I think is a good deal for the town.

@Jason.. the 'confirmed' part is there, you just can't see it. We will keep it to ourselves unless we get run up.. but that time is not now.

Right now we are talking about the inconsistencies in YOUR claim.
What do you think of Ani's quote in post 510? How does this Jive with your claim?

[camn]

So, back to you.

You think that Both your claim and Animorph's are true?

I intend to wait till Fate comes back to explain his so-called 'guilty' . . but your claim doesn't hold up in its own right.
That coupled with VP's aggressiveness toward you makes me think scum.

I have plaved with him a few times, and I don't see him NOT trying to transmit his info to the town.. even as a 'survivor'. SOMEONE he voted for D1 is scum.
I am with fate, that him backpedaling on you late in the day was him trying to avoid a NK.

Anyway.. you and Ani.. both real-claims? Did you have any mention of Kima Greggs?

[camn]

A Jason, obv.

[camn]

@jason
All that was before he let on it was a gambit.

I think it would have been a terrible true-claim.. but an almost brilliant fake-claim as town.
I STILL think if he WERE a bomb, claiming it would be dumb. But he isn't.

Real townies adjust their positions in the face of new info.
Scum, on the other hand, already have all the info they need. They strive for consistency. And they try to change the subject.

You failed to answer my question, Jason:

You think that Both your claim and Animorph's are true?

@ Animorph.. in the show, you are cleaner than your partner. WAY cleaner.
But HERE.. do you see the inconsistency between your claims? he doesn't mention you. Says he is partnered with someone else. Doesn't mention Kima.
Its suspect. I'm not quite sure which way yet.

[camn]

Hell, at one point we all thought Fates bomb claim was true...

Except for me. As you just quoted.

Heres the problem:
Animorphs claim almost reads directly from the wikipedia entry on his character.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellis_Carver
It is almost verbatim. Meaning that either Macavity or Animorph lifted the info from there. Either option is reasonable.

JASON's claim varies DRASTICALLY from the wiki entry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_%22Herc%22_Hauk
which is funny, since those guys are very similar, thematically.
This could be a poorly constructed fakeclaim, or maybe MC actually branched off.

So.. I looked at MY PM.. and it is VERY reliant on the wiki entry for my guy. Which leans me toward Jasonscum.

@ EVERYONE:
Go here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_of_The_Wire
Find your guy.
See if the details were drawn from that entry.
Report back.

[camn]

Admit that you constructed your fake claim badly.

[camn]

Who are your partners?

[camn]

I thought you were partnered with McNulty?

[camn]

I don't know if I could get mine right either.

[camn]

That is L-1.

We are only one day into the new day.. and I for one, would like Fate's comment before I hammer

[camn]

We are only, like, 12 hours in!

You know I am as bloodthirsty as they come.. but I am not quite ready. I think the town stands to benefit from a little more discussion!

Tomorrow we lynch obvscum

[camn]

You'd like that!

But I do trust you, and only you.
Bye Jason.

VOTE: JASON

[camn]

Oh good.

Sens and I were discussing a a Jason/Ani/Raider scumteam vs. a Jason/Jebus/Raider scumteam last night. So I was right about ani:)

anyway..

FIRSTLY:
I don't think we have a strict 2-investigator limit.
But I do think Raider is scummy in his own right.

SECONDLY:
My reads:
Town = Me, sens, Fate
probtown = Sotty, deer
Maybescum: CDB, Locke
obvscum: raider, Jebus.

Thirdly..

@ RAIDER: Fullclaim please. Now.

Fourthly:

@ Jebus:

Post.
In words.
A player-by-player.
If you still have a 'post restriction', then you are the lynch for today. We can't afford to play without you any longer.

Lastly:
@Fate.. do you feel like elucidating us on your role? or no? Id your CDB vote info-driven? Because I have a decent case on Jebus, I think.

[camn]

Also, what exactly is the case on me considering I am an investigator?

POE plus general scumminess.
I will wait for your rolename.. but I want it today, please. I have a spreadsheet.

... but could you please tell me why I'm scum other than the fact that I've not really been able to contribute in words? :T

I could, but I would like your thoughts first.
The essence of it isn't so much that your are scum.. but that you are anti-TOWN.
But you can catch up.

[camn]

Sens wanted to claim early to help direct PRs to more fruitful targets I think.
We are vanilla other than our partnership.

Anyway..I am tired of waiting.... since we are talking about Jebus... Jasons behavior toward him is what catches my eye the most:

Rereading Jason, you can plainly see that he is all over almost any small tell he can. He hounds me and Sens. He jumps on Ani and Fate... but when it comes to Jebus OUTRAGEOUS restriction.. he floats this:

hmmm Jebus post restricted? I am beginning to think this however his post 198 actually makes me think he has been gagged and can only post votes given his mouth taped up picture.

Gagged? who has even ever heard of that role?
Anyway, he comes back to it here:

.I'm not sure of the role, but I believe there is a role were someone can choose someone to restrict what they can do... in essence gagging them.. looking back over Jebus's postings in ISO the only time he has actually posted any words is to vote... and that fits in with the role I am thinking about... however, I have never heard of it done on day 1.

Actually, looking it up its called Mafia silancer and this is the discription

Even going as far as to quote a wiki article.

Here's the rub: Jason knew this wasn't true.
He knew that Jebus was not targeted by some obscure scum-role. (though I would like to get this confirmed by Jebus himself)

My idea? I have played with them both. I have played both sides against Jason (incidentally scum-sweeps both times, IIRC).
In a different game, Jebus was a filthy lurker, and I can't remember what his alignment turned out to be.
So I think Jason, as decent scum, came up with this idea of painting Jebus as a 'victim' of a scum-role so as to give him a town-excuse for his lurky behavior.

I can't think of any other reason for him to mention it at all. What scum motivation is there for making up this story?

So... that said, I support a Jebus lynch, unless he can prove to me that he has something to add to this game.
In the unlikely event he is town, he is unconfirmed with no established posts for us to look at... thus he is a liability.

PLease discuss.

[camn]

I'm reading over Delibird, Locke and Jebus as I think our scum are almost certainly from that group now.

[camn]

Can somebody post some content here?
Ffs.

Deer, what's the deal?
You were into the numbers too?
Why aren't you scum again? Why would any townie need to be unlynchable?

[camn]

Why wouldn't they plan it?

Jebus is known to be a low-poster.
Jason probably expected to live longer.
If he could sell the idea, then Jebus could avoid a lurker-lynch.

I see scum there. OR I think Jebus is pretty useless as a townie, if he is one.

VOTE: JEBUS

Get in the game.
You have a LOT of catching up to do if you are town.

[camn]

I'm Lt. Daniels, one-shot unlynchable. I thought D1 proved that?

This is the scummiest post I have ever seen.
Do you really believe that? That you 'proved' anything?

If you are telling the truth, the only thing you proved is that you don't know how to handle a PR.

Why did you come forward with the '1-shot' part of your claim?

[camn]

Can we prod Jebus now?
It's been 3 days

[camn]

I also support his death.
Jasons posts re: Jebus seem funny to me. Maybe it was a scum setup on Jason's part? But the WIFOM ends with Jebus' play. He doesn't seem to be much of an asset to the town.

[camn]

My bloodthirst rises, hour by postless hour.

[camn]

Any comment on my theory?
Jebus = known filthy lurker, scum-plans fake PR?

[camn]

How do you think the town should handle the Deer situation?

[camn]

Or lynch him since he is scum.
Unless you can explain why Jason acted the way he did.
Explaining away Jebus' nonsense.

In my world, scum like easy mislynches. They don't preemptively defend against them.
Ergo, jasonscum => jebusscum.

[camn]

My bloodthirst rises, hour by postless hour.

[camn]

I am happy to lynch Delibird.

Though, I think Jebus is the most useless of all the players that are useless right now.
And if we can't muster a lynch on him...

I also have no problem lynching Jebus unclaimed.
Peple need to get posting here.

[camn]

Wait a minute... Can you show me this thread? (or does that violate the ongoing games rule?)

because I just quickly searched CDBs other posts, and I see no such nonsense.

[camn]

Hmm.

FTR: looking at timestamps, and avoiding talking too much about another game.... I do think Fate is mischaracterizing CDBs activity levels in the other game.
I am feeling bloodthisty, and would like to see someone hang... But this is not what Fate is saying it is.
I don't think this is intentional on Fates part. It feel grudge-driven to me.

Thus, I redact my support for a CDB lynch at this time. It would be suboptimal.

[camn]

Fate, forget it.

You are wrong here.
And not even incredibly accurate.

This is a non-issue, and not game-related.
If you want to build a case on CDB, do it on something better, because this is not a pro-town line of inquiry.
Plus, discussing the CONTENT of CDBs posts in another game is slightly out of line. So quit it.

[camn]

Good. Lets see some blood.

[camn]

Prodding Deer, Jebus, and SensFan.

I am here and catching up now that the forum's back up and real life stuff is out of the way.

Good. Lets see some blood.

Wait for me to post a catch-up post sometime this weekend, first, please.

Screw that.
Just start typing.

No evidence needed, no quotes.. go down the player list and tell us who is scum and who is town.

Also, explain your so-called post restriction.

Plus, claim or die.

[camn]

Hammertime.

[camn]

I redacted my support for a CDB lynch.
But Deer maybe.

Sens and I will discuss it overnight. They can't kill us both. And so far we are doing pretty good.

[camn]

What do you think about the Jebus info?
True? Not true?

6 non-town?
That would imply more survivor roles? Since we have only been seeing single nightkills?

[camn]

Alrighty.
So we are ahead, but we should start getting methodical here soon.

First off, I wouldn't mind mass name-claiming today. I have reasons for this I won't mention at this time.

Secondly, let us proceed to wagon analysis.
I will take the scumwagons:

jasonT1981

(6) -

Fate

, Sotty7,

SensFan

, Locke Lamora, Deer,

camn

Fate

(1) -

jasonT1981

Not Voting (4) -

animorpherv1

, ChannelDelibird,

Jebus

, raider8169

Jebus

(5) -

camn

, Deer, Locke Lamora,

SensFan

,

Fate

Not Voting (4) - ChannelDelibird,

Jebus

, raider8169, Sotty7

Hmm. I don't see anything obvious here. These could have both been very town-driven wagons.
Scum could be in the off-the-wagon group.
But I don't like Deer still being in this game.

Also..

"I think Raider is the most probable scum at the moment, aside from CDB."

Which indicates to me that one of those two = scum.

Thus, CDB grows as my #1 choice.

Mass Nameclaim. Me and Sens go last.

CDB - gogogo.

[camn]

Vote: Jason

- voting against the Grammar Police is a no.

Um. Locke Lamora, how serious are ya? I'm wondering whether you actually think that's a scum tactic by VP Baltar.

Scumtell #1:
RVS voting your partner.
Scumtell #2:
AVOIDING voting someone for a legit reason in the RVS.

Still pro-Fate lynch.

Scumtell #3: Day 1 tunneling. Looks like hunting, tastes like scum.

The Jebus lynch makes the most sense at the moment - the stuff with the post restriction today about it being loosened I don't really think I buy.

Mod

: Vote Count?

Scumtell #4: Distancing from Jebus.
Lynch makes sense, sure.. but not enough sense for a vote? Why don't we try to play 'conservative. dont want accidental hammer!' card instead?

@CDB: I like sports, too... but you need to check in here or we are going to hang you.
Nameclaim at minimum.

[camn]

Hmm.

Did you know that if you killed a good guy you would lose vig powers, cdb?

Also, has Locke nameclaimed? I forget.

[camn]

Cdb: were you/are you aware of the Deer situation?
If so: your thoughts?

[camn]

Of course, the pro-town play would have been to kill Deer.

And I am really wondering why that didn't happen.

HOWEVER... a Vig fake claim is pretty ballsy for scum here, given the fact that it is pretty obv there is no gunsmith-type role. What would be the benefit?
So I am inclined to believe. But flavor wise, Omar is almost certainly a SURVIVOR. Not town. Which would totally explain why he had to be vigged. CDBs win-con is not to get lynched, which Fate was really pushing.

Open Question: Is this town in the biz of lynching Neutral Parties?

[camn]

Alright. I can support an CDB lynch.
I agree that he is not town.
Fate deserved revenge.

I will wait for raider's response to Locke before I hammer, though....

[camn]

Does it say that? "Southeast Division"?

Do you have any personality quirks?

[camn]

Locke: you are up.

[camn]

Yes. I see a lot of things wrong.

Lets hear Locke's first, though!

[camn]

So, looking at this all, I think Raider is probably the scum here.
There are some flavor-holes, and I think it is more likely that raider suffered from a lack of detail in fabricating his claim than our mod.

However, I also know that my wincon involves eliminating all the 'DANGEROUS' players.
Omar is, and always was, the most dangerous of them all. If CDB is even telling the truth.

Thus, I support a lynch of either.
But I think Fate deserves revenge, too.

VOTE: ChannelDeliBird

[camn]

Oh awesome.

I think this is my first bona-fide town sweep. No mislynches.
I am fine with posting Sens and my QT.. but I will wait for him.

Mac - I loved it. I loved the setup. Thanks for a great game.
RE: me and Sens.. I think the scum were unlucky in that the mason group was ME AND SENS. When I got that PM, I knew that there was no way either of us were lynchable. At all. Under any circumstances. If I had been paired with someone else, maybe.. but my heart soared. I play my best as town.

TO THE SCUM: You gave yourselves away. It wasn't just the couple tactical errors.
For instance, Jason gave Jebus up, as I mentioned in thread.... and in our QT:

(re: scumteams).....I kind of like Jebus!
Just now I was isoing Jason.. and he really pushed the idea that Jebus was afflicted by some hypo-scum role. Jebus as scum-target = Jebus town. I can see the scum-votivation there.

Then, Jebus gave up the last:

Jebus Wrote:
"I think Raider is the most probable scum at the moment, aside from CDB."

Which indicates to me that one of those two = scum.

AS I may or may not have mentioned: I liked Fates gambit. I think it was effective. I also think it would have been TERRIBLE as a true townclaim, but it wasn't!

On the other hand, I really think Deer misplayed his role. Using it on himself was great, but he should have let everyone think he was permanently unlynchable. Then he could have drawn the kill away from VP Balthar, maybe.

Other than that, I thought it was a good town. I don't think it was overpowered per se, since it was essentially 1 cop and 2 masons vs 3 scum w/ Roleblocker. We just got lucky with an early guilty. Fate could have easily popped a guilty on me, and we would have spent all of day 2 arguing about it, and then we would have lynched him


All in all, loved it. GG town, GG Mac/faraday, sorry for schooling you, scum.

[camn]

Oh, PS:
Mac, this might be on you, but I was going to roast raider on the Southeast Division thing. Wasn't it the "

Southeastern

district

" ??
These are the holes that fakeclaims are made of! I would have had to pursue it if CDB had flipped vig.
Though, TBH, I had decided that it was more likely mod supplied.
Making a mistake on a fakeclaim after Jason's would have been way too much.

[camn]

You see now how I was obvtown?

[camn]

I was trying to get nightkilled! They didn't fall for it!

To the scum's credit, they did pretty well on nightkills.
VPB was a great choice, as it crippled our investigative ability, and Fate was obv a threat.
They could have taken one of us night 2... but we

were

vanilla. Just incredibly awesome vanilla.
At least I drew the role-cop.