Mini 978 - The Wire Mafia - Game Over!

[raider8169]

I confirm that I have read and understood ChannelDelibird's role PM too...

Yeah maybe not but I can confirm that I have read and understood my own role.

[raider8169]

/confirm

Hi Raider! Long time no see.

Hey!

Its been a while, I dont play too many games anymore.

[raider8169]

Hey raider!

Hey! Guess I should have looked at the player list. Its nice to know some people I remember are still around.

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Dang site. Always seems to go slow for me when I have little time to check it.

Vote Deer

I hate grammer nazi's. You will be on my case all game. Unless...one of us is dead. Dieing is not much fun so I would rather you go then me.

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Its DYing.

Haha, camn beat me to the punch. Also, it's nazis, not nazi's.

But okay, so Locke, does that mean you are dead serious about wanting to lynch VP for setting up lynches?

I can see we are going to get along very well in this game.

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@ Mod

I am visiting family this weekend so not sure how much access I will have till Tuesday.

I dont see why I shouldnt be able to post but just covering myself.

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Ani, not scumhunting is anti-town, yes.

BUT: I don't see how joking and saying "I'm not going to scumhunt this game, just correct others' grammar" is anti-town. Explain how that is anti-town at all, especially when it's 2 pages into the game and I do have plans to actually scumhunt and not just be a grammar nazi.

And we were supposed to know you weren't joking? Sure, it's early game, but it's past RVS when you said it, not Page 2, more like Page 4, which makes it all that more serious.

Unvote

Im a few pages behind but oh well I am still commenting. I am fine with his comment, it was funny enough where I tossed a random vote that way. It was obviously a joke and I am even fine with a bunch of people jumping on the wagon to see the reactions. I thought he said it on like page 2 but even if it was on page 4 it was still fine. Your reaction to it was a little too serious to try and out him as scum this quickly. Its something note worthy sure but anything more at that point is wrong IMO. Ok I just saw, page 3 but the RVS never has a solid point as an ending so saying that doesnt work for me.

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Hmmm Sens is avoiding commenting on major things.

Hell maybe they're both scum. It's not like it hasn't happened before.

Thats Sens playing style, I tend to like it because he doesnt draw out a lot of things and cuts to the point but you dont get too much content out of it right away.

[raider8169]

I was hoping I would have more time. I finished reading but I think there is some important things buried in there. I will post more when I can get some time.

[raider8169]

Will be getting to this tonight, have had a busy weekend.

This too, I am heading home shortly so I will have something up by tonight.

[raider8169]

Im fine with Fate being lynched. He has completely over reacted and drawing conclusions from little to no information to base it off from. I do not think I am ready for the day to end seeing as we still have time before the deadline and I would like to give enough time for everyone else to say there piece.

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Im fine with Fate being lynched. He has completely over reacted and drawing conclusions from little to no information to base it off from. I do not think I am ready for the day to end seeing as we still have time before the deadline and I would like to give enough time for everyone else to say there piece.

Point out my over reactions.
Point out the falsely drawn conclusions.

Where's your vote? Do you think someone will quickhammer me?
Or are you hoping someone else will put me at L-1 so you can stay off this mislynch?

Unvote:
Vote: Raider

Holy crap! The question was my opinion, I gave one with the time I had. My vote was never there as I thought you were L-1. I could care less if someone else put you at L-1 but either way I wasnt ready for the day to end and I am normally not one to just toss a vote around.

That said you actions are weak. You were just waiting for someone to give their opinions and you are look for anything to turn the tables.

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Especially in a game where raider has contributing little to nothing else, coming in and just saying "I like the wagon, here's an L-1 vote, kbai" reads really poorly to me.

unvote, vote: raider

Really you too?

The game has been going on for a few days and you are already judging people for contributing little? I dont suppose you would be willing to give people time to post. Hell why are you just looking towards me instead of everyone else that was in the same situation as me. Also, I never voted so the L-1 thing does work. Very opportunistic of you.

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I love the bomb claim. I dont buy it though. Fate should NOT be today's lynch. He is getting reactions out of a few people and I think he is doing a better job of that then I could. I am liking Deer better, he was following the crowd and some pressure is good for him.

Vote Deer

Either way we have until the 16th, if I remember right, so there is no real reason to rush it.

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raider:

If Fate is a bomb, and we lynch him, not only do we lose one player who is acting anti-town, but two. And you'd prefer one? Explain in greater detail why 1 > 2.

Because its day one. The reads everyone has on one another are really weak at this point in the game. Day one lynches are based off of little tells and are rarely right. Also, I dont think he is a bomb.

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I don't think he is a bomb either, but I find that if he is, he'll be able to take some bad players out of the way. If he isn't then well he is lying scum.

I was wondering if he just gave up and like most people in that position is just using the game to mess with peoples heads.

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lol @ "following the crowd" when you're the one who came in only to post your approval of the fate wagon. hypocritical much?

And sorry, I really thought you voted. My bad. You're still the scummiest person here, though.

Did you miss this post or something?

Jason, Jebus, Deer, Raider - Thoughts on this awesome Fate wagon?

This was why I came in only to post my approval but it wasnt so much an approval as my thoughts on the wagon. Given what time I had I would have been foolish to vote seeing as I did not look deeply into the wagon before posting that. The only reason you are still pushing my lynch is so you wouldnt prove my point right and jump on someone else's wagon.

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Raider: you think Fate is lying about his claim but you don't think he should be the lynch? I assume you thinking he's lying also means you think he's scum.

If I thought Fate to be scum I would be on the wagon bomb or no bomb. Scum need to die regardless if they take out a townie along with them. That said Sensfan said it right given that we throw the most antitown player as the hammer in the off chance he was right.

I still think he is lying and I have never been one for policy lynches so I am not about lynch all liars. I think he could be useful to keep around for another day.

Look at what he is doing he has gotten a lot of people out of their shells and you can see there intentions. Day one is going to be important at endgame I can see it now, so I think it would be unwise not to keep this up as long as possible or at least another day. This is my first mini in a while so I need to keep in mind we are not going to have 6 or 7 days, more like 3 or 4.

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If it must come down to that deer has my vote.

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Can I ask for what, exactly, raider? OMGUS much?

I dont consider my case on you to be OMGUS seeing as you had no case on me. You just followed fate. You have yet to post anything on why you want me lynched other then I agree with fate and Raider didnt post enough within the first weekend of the game starting.

Other then me you havent shown any stance on anyone else. Besides me who do you think should be the hammer?

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Well, this should make things interesting.

Vote: Deer

Deer: why do you think it's a good play as town? What benefits do you see from him claiming relative to him keeping quiet? Is there anyone else you wouldn't like to hammer Fate?

Right now I'm in favour of a Deer or Raider hammer.

Just wondering, do you have a one post per day limit or something?

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If fate isn't lying about his role, then I think it's a good play. If he's scum I think it's a good play too. If he's doing it simply to avoid the lynch than I'm not a huge fan of it.

You are thinking of yourself in terms of only you matter instead of the bigger picture. As town it is a good play to get yourself killed to take out scum. Refusing to do so simply makes you scum, do you understand this?

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I'm Detective something Freamon (all I remember) and I am not a day-bomb.

Fate lied.

About his role, or his name?

his role.

Can you back this up with anything or is this just a hunch?

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No, there's no limit. See?

Just wondering, you were only posting once a day and they were not much content. I am having a hard time getting any read on you.

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@Raider - what do you mean evidence that fate is lying? If it hasn't been obvious since he claimed it, he literally just said he wasnt' a bomb in his last post.

Yes on what I conciser to be his real claim he just gave a name and was called out for lying. Sure you can base his bomb claim and assume he is also lying here I was just wondering if that is what ani was referring too or if there was something else.

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I dont buy that scum would have even a one shot unlynchable. Its day one and we have 3 claims already. Sorry for the short post, Im a little tired.

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I could tell camn and Sens were linked but it could have gone either way. One will be confirmed once the other is dead. At this point just about everyone has claimed so I wanna join the party seeing as my role is pointless now with the snitch being dead.

Also I investigated camn as well. I was hoping I was going to link them the other way but it didnt work out so much. I can at least back ani results, not that they matter anymore.

I still think Fate is town and Deer should be as well but that is out-guessing the mod. I think Sens and camn get a freebie for a while seeing how outgoing SensFan was for someone to call him out. Ani claim fits unless someone tries to counter claim me or him. Either way it would narrow the search down if someone did.

Jebus needs to be lynched if his post restriction still applies. Out of time for now, after some sleep and I feel better I will post more. Thats what I get for running 8 miles this morning...

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I investigated CDB last night, it yielded no results.

@ Scotty what did your results say? Did they match mine or did you get something different?

You

will answer this and say nothing more. After such time I will say my character name. Depending on his answer could clear him as a third investigator.

I dont think finding the snitch would have had much of an effect. I think the snitch had to find scum first before we could find out from him so even if we investigated the correct snitch unless that player found something first it would have done us no good. Granted this most likely means nothing now but I am still going to be investigating people just in case.

Also, what exactly is the case on me considering I am an investigator?

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I will wait for your rolename.. but I want it today, please. I have a spreadsheet.

You will have it as soon as scotty answers my question. It might affect his answer is the only reason I am not saying it now.

I check often during the weekend so I am hoping to have it answered shortly.

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I am Detective Roland Pryzbylewski, but you can call me Prez. I'm a little hot-head.

Sotty7 got the same responses I did. I just realized his name is Sotty and not Scotty, my bad.

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How do you think the town should handle the Deer situation?

I think Deer can wait. What we really need is Jebus to come back or be replaced.

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I am happy to lynch Delibird.

Though, I think Jebus is the most useless of all the players that are useless right now.
And if we can't muster a lynch on him...

I also have no problem lynching Jebus unclaimed.
Peple need to get posting here.

Just to make sure I have this right, your ok lynching, Jebus, Deer and Delibird?

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Guess what, ani and raider?

I believe you guys, I just want to make sure I understand you guys right. It seems that I missed reading a whole page. Not really liking the new site layout. This one seems harder to read and I keep missing things.

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Guess what, ani and raider?

I believe you guys, I just want to make sure I understand you guys right. It seems that I missed reading a whole page. Not really liking the new site layout. This one seems harder to read and I keep missing things.

Of course you believe us, now that your two buddies went down trying to discredit us. You obviously didn't believe us when you supposedly investigated Camn...

I did that the first night when I knew Camn and you had some sort of relationship. To me it was a wise move seeing as I could have caught the snitch. When did I ever say I didnt believe you or hint to anything of the sort?

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With 7 people left I think a mass claim is good idea and I like Sens and Camn going last. Though I already claimed if you need my info again just let me know.

[raider8169]

Here's whassup - I'm Omar Little and I used to be a vig. My personal code forbids me from killing anyone who isn't in the drug trade. I got angry with Fate yesterday and decided I wanted to kill him regardless of whether I was at all sure he was scum. That was my first kill this game and it was also my last. As explained to me in my role PM, when I killed a civilian (Freamon) I lost any patience the Major Crimes Unit had for my antics and agreed to do it their way.

I'm rereading Deer.

Then how does that explain only one night kill? Someone has been killing each night and if you claim one then scum didnt kill anyone night 3?

Unless someone has a nonkillable night time ability I call BS.

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That's remarkably closed-minded of you. My guess is that scum also killed Fate.

Do you have a better way to explain it? Its not closed minded at all seeing as there is reasoning behind it.

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Why did you pick Fate to kill?

As I said, he made me angry yesterday. I didn't feel like playing with him any longer.

This is a townie move how?

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I'm not buying it, there is no differing flavor between the two kills. Plus I don't see how it is a town move to kill Fate who helped us lynch scum on day two.

I was referring more to the reasoning given being protown, rather than scummy.

And I've said I'm happy to lynch CDB, due to process of elim and all that. I just expect him to flip Town.

Ok, maybe I am just stupid right now but I dont get it. I called Fate town earlier (though I am sure no one believed me and of course scum could have done it as well) but anyways why would he be a wise kill when he did help lynch scum? Hell I am sure I would have been a better target. It just doesnt make sense to me and now I am all confused.

[raider8169]

The reasoning was that he killed Fate for irrational reasons.
Scum have no incentive to kill for irrational reasons; they want to kill the people that help them survive.
Town have every incentive to kill for irrational reasons; a player that pisses you off can be Scum as much as a nice player can, and Scum are more likely to be confrontational.

Note that I mean no offense through use of the word irrational. I am speaking strictly as the mathematician I am, and am using the word rational to mean "rational within the terms of winning the game".

Thank you, that does make more sense now. To be honest, it does bring up a point. Why lynch him then? With that reasoning that should at least put him higher on the list then myself and deer.

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I'm Greggs, and I'm also an Investigator. I would like to know what Sotty and Raider have been doing with their extra abilities. They should know what I mean if they're not lying.

This is interesting, I dont have any extra abilities. But my father-in-law in head of the southeast division.

I full claimed before but if not I am Detective Pryzbylewski.

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Does it say that? "Southeast Division"?

Do you have any personality quirks?

It does say that. I am a hot head as well. My father thinks I am a knucklehead. Oh, I am also a hot head.

On a side note I love my Role PM. I was half tempted to try and play that type of character but I found I just cant do it.

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Quiet. No more talk about his claim until he answers. I want to know if he just checked his PM and paraphrased that.

Yes I did.

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Before anyone speaks up about flavour, I have a question for raider.

Can you think of any possible reason why I would doubt that you just paraphrased that from your PM? Anything you're not telling us?

I have a guess. I didnt paraphrase the whole role PM. There are a couple things I left off like that I switched divisions for a new start and why I did it. I did not want to say my whole role seeing as I didnt think it would match up with anyone else's as it is just flavor and not something I thought would get me lynched or save me.

If you have a question about it I can answer but if the information I have said can be taken from a wiki or if you think I have an elaborate fake claim then there is really nothing I can do about it.

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Also I picked my rolecop really badly. Sens and camn were such obv-masons.

Yeah they were, still it worked for them and I am amazed they were not night killed quickly. Sure it confirmed them but they were running the game from it.