Open 218: Two-fold C9 - Game Over

[inHimshallibe]

Let's play percentages. 1/3 players are scum. The first three people to post are XScorpion, ODDin, and Mr. Chaos. One of these three players must certainly be scum!

vote: XScorpion

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[inHimshallibe]

MOAR votes on XScorpion.

[inHimshallibe]

vote: chronopie
Better than a random vote.

Scummy bandwagoning propaganda.

Your vote really isn't better than a random vote.

unvote
vote: ODDin

[inHimshallibe]

Good. I'm happy to know you are town.

Unvote

On the other hand, i'm unhappy with inhim jumping on the first person to place a serious vote (and i liked the vote)

Vote: inHim

Not so fast, my friend!

I did not jump on ODDin because he placed a "serious vote." I voted ODDin because he claimed his vote was

better

than a random vote. I would have been OK with "more than a random vote" or "finally, something besides a random vote" but "better"? No, that's dishonest.

[inHimshallibe]

XScorpion (1) Chronopie
inHimshallibe (3) Mr. Chaos, easjo682, Elscouta
Elscouta (1) Mr.Sandman
Chronopie (2) Toon Fighter, ODDin
easjo682 (2) Scott Brosius, XScorpion
Toon Fighter (1) Slepz
ODDin (2) Beefster, inHimshallibe
12 alive; 7 votes lynch.

I probably am, but I saw fit to try this hard given my personally perceived pace of the game. I would very much like things to pick up.

[inHimshallibe]

I voted ODDin because he claimed his vote was

better

than a random vote. I would have been OK with "more than a random vote" or "finally, something besides a random vote" but "better"? No, that's dishonest.

This sentence is an impressive pile of crap.

For the most part.

I'm casting for nibbles.

[inHimshallibe]

inHim uses someone trying to come out of RVS as a reason for voting, then says:

I probably am, but I saw fit to try this hard given my personally perceived pace of the game. I would very much like things to pick up.

unvote, vote in Him

What do those things have to do with each other? Also, I plainly stated I was not attacking ODDin's post for "trying to come out of RVS"; it was a word choice thing.

[inHimshallibe]

No, the use of the word "better" was what I was claiming was the "propaganda."

Starting bandwagons isn't inherently scummy, as they are the town's main tool.

However

, when I read ODDin's post, I thought he was using devious means to get others to join the bandwagon.

[inHimshallibe]

Alright, this is silly, and I won't continue this muddying of the waters. I won't drop my vote, though, because such an attack on my vote of ODDin is intriguing given the setup.

[inHimshallibe]

I'm playing VI? Good lord, this is getting out of hand.

I'll get back to this after some work.

[inHimshallibe]

One more day, please. I have an interview tomorrow! I've been so busy getting things arranged; mafia has just kind of been pushed to the back burner.

Glorious return tomorrow.

[inHimshallibe]

The word choice is being blown way out of proportion, and I mean WAY.

unvote
vote: Beefster

Scummy spin when accusing me/easjo of prolonging the RVS.

[inHimshallibe]

XScorpion (1) Chronopie
inHimshallibe (4) Elscouta, Mr.Sandman, Beefster, ConfidAnon
Chronopie (1) ODDin
ConfidAnon (1) Slepz
Beefster (3) Scott Brosius, inHimshallibe, easjo682
Mr. Chaos (1) XScorpion
(No vote) Mr. Chaos
12 alive; 7 votes lynch.

The word choice is being blown way out of proportion, and I mean WAY.

unvote
vote: Beefster

Scummy spin when accusing me/easjo of prolonging the RVS.

We waited so long for this rebuttal? I'm disappointed by you, my friend.

On the other hand, i'm happy to see my vote in a good place.

:kicksrock:

Seriously, though, there's not much to be said, besides "Nuh uh!"

I will work on being a good little boy in this game again, but the weekend likely won't allow that.

[inHimshallibe]

Yes, that Beefster vote was half-assed, but still serious. I won't lie when I say I've been avoiding prods.

Alright, so enough about me. More to come.

[inHimshallibe]

OK, an actual attempt at scumhunting will come today. Lynch me otherwise.

[inHimshallibe]

Good. I'm happy to know you are town.

Unvote

On the other hand, i'm unhappy with inhim jumping on the first person to place a serious vote (and i liked the vote)

Vote: inHim

Actually, um, yeah, this came before Beefster, and could have been where the whole spin-fed nonsense of voting me came about.

I don't share your feelings, and I don't see why you need to unvote so quickly.

unvote
Vote: Easjo

I don't like easjo's reasons for voting, and playing like a VI with "voices in your head" makes me suspicious.
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I don't see any problem with Oddins vote, should I?

You should, because you just said that you were voting for inhim because "he came up with a reason to switch his vote in RVS which as we all know is the single most scummy thing ever," which ODDin did first.

I see a need to change my vote,

also no real reason for switching my vote.

Self-contradiction is a scumtell.

This post is off. It's not really a contradiction.

[inHimshallibe]

@ODDin:
About connections: it didn't seem relevant to comment on that. I see what you're saying.

To be honest, I'm kinda detached from this game. I'm putting too much focus on my other game. I'll fix that.
Anyway, here's some analysis:

ODDin:
casts the first real vote. Good.
You've been fairly pro-town this whole time.
What was I thinking?

Unvote

Easjo:
Voices in your head? Pfft! I hardly think that's valid just outside the RVS.
Self-contradiction. The need to lie is a scum trait, and you suck at lying.

FoS: easjo

inHim:
Isn't

anything

better than a random vote? Reasons start off few and far between, but then gradually build up and make mistakes. But really? Chewing him out over

word choice

? Your words and actions here don't seem characteristic of a 6th year townie.
He then defends himself in his stupidity. Is he playing village idiot or something?
He says he doesn't want to muddy the waters. What exactly does he mean by this?

Vote: inHim

Chronopie:
If his meta tends to be anti-town and he's being lurky, he's definitely a player to keep an eye on.

IGMEOY

Definite New-Town read on Beefster.

unvote

[inHimshallibe]

Some of the assumptions Beefster is making seem very innocent/genuine. Also, the way he thought about his argument, and even rescinded some of it, seems town. I think Elscouta is town for trying to get people to focus (even if it was on me) and that XScorpion is actually town because of the way he was attacking easjo when no one else saw fit to do so. He kept an attack even after he was chided, I believe, and that's definitely townlike.

I kept forgetting to answer this question of ODDin's. This setup is intriguing by the fact that there are two pairs of opposing scum. The need to keep your partner alive for your team to survive a possible crosskill will make Elscouta and Mr.Sandman (Beefster and ConfidAnon a little bit, but they joined into the hunt later) high candidates for ODDin's partner IF ODDin is scum. I'm neutral on ODDin at the moment.

If I had to lay it on the line right now and name four scum, I'd name:
Chronopie
Mr. Chaos
ConfidAnon
Scott Brosius

for the manner of their arguments/lack thereof. I'll go into each playerslot in my next post. I don't have a clue about pairings at the moment.

(Honorable Mentions go to ODDin and Mr.Sandman)

[inHimshallibe]

I'd like to see some links to Scott's completed games to see if he's this reluctant to say anything as town

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13537
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12108

I can be brief, which leads people to think I'm scummy. There really has been a lack of substance in this game, I know it's D1 and all but it seems worse than usual.

It's not your briefness that has been the worst, it's your general lack of specificity regarding your opinions on other players' alignments.

That's been my major beef with Scott Brosius. Vagueness, poor generalizations, and no major stances.

[inHimshallibe]

vote: Scott Brosius

Moving to Nashville in the next couple of days, will only be on with very limited access to post in my Newbie game I am modding.

[inHimshallibe]

Beefster, I'll give you your right to last words, but it's hammer time after that.

[inHimshallibe]

Ah. I thought he was talking about my vote.

You done giving words?

Can't let a claimed vanilla live.