Mini 975 - Dirty Dirty South Mafia - game over

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Meanwhile,

Vote: Ellibereth.

Policy lynch. We've never been on the same side.

This makes no sense unless he's always scum

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Well, not precisely.

Logically, if it WERE true, SK could be scum sometimes, whilst Elli were town.

Could you explain better?

[bouncy.bouncy]

Uh yeah camn how about you answer me while you're at it?

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Well, not precisely.

Logically, if it WERE true, SK could be scum sometimes, whilst Elli were town.

Could you explain better?

Unvote: Ellibereth. Vote: Bouncy.bouncy.

Do you grasp an understanding of the concept of logic? That was a perfect explanation by Camn. You can't perfect perfection.

Sorry, wasn't perfect to me:

if it WERE true

I don't know what "it" is referring to. Can't really apply logic

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...until that's resolved.

(hit the submit button too early)

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"It" is clearly referring to my statement regarding how Elli has never been on the same side as me, which you quoted in the post that Camn responded to

immediately

afterward. How exactly did you fail to define what "it" was referring to?

I thought that, if it weren't referring to the above, it could've been referring to what I said--that your "policy" vote made no sense.

Now that you frame it as so obvious, I guess I might have been dumb in not getting it, but that was probably caused by the fact that I couldn't tell how her post had anything to do with mine, assuming that she understood logic. If we agree on your idea of what "it" was referring to, then go back and look at what she said:

Meanwhile,

Vote: Ellibereth.

Policy lynch. We've never been on the same side.

This makes no sense unless he's always scum

Well, not precisely.

Logically, if it WERE true, SK could be scum sometimes, whilst Elli were town.

It seems to me that she's saying that the only reason that your vote would make sense is if you're scum... thus, either way, she should suspect you. Yet she doesn't note anything like that. So you can see how I would think I might have misunderstood once I give her the benefit of the doubt (rather than assume that she just popped in to tell me I'm wrong without thinking about what she's implying).

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I think bouncy is a better lynch.. because if we are wrong, and he actually believes the stuff he has been writing... then he is almost WORSE than scum. He is a townie without a clue.

You're the one without a clue
If you cut the hyper and actually address what I'm saying then I can show you where you were wrong.

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Back for now, in the middle of internet connection problems.

mod:

LA until I get a permanent fix.

I'm going to claim now, since I'm fairly confident that it reveals scum, and I don't want take chances on having my internet go down again and dying without revealing my information.

I'm a roleblocker, and I targeted Kenman. I submitted my action very early on based on a gut read, expecting to change it later. With my absence and the (relative) quicklynch, that never happened. But the block on Kenman still went through. Now, given the lack of nightkill, it seems most likely to me that I got lucky and blocked the nightkiller.

Vote: Kenman

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Alright, I guess I was a little too into my results. Camn's plan seems good to me.

I think there is a good case against earlder, even by Kenman, but I have no problem with SPS' lynch.

Any thoughts on whom I should block, or should I keep it secret for now?

Unvote, Vote: Steam-Powered Shovel

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Unvote, Vote: Earlder1

I say lynch both in case of bussing.

Since Earlder was the one Kenman was supposedly going to hide behind, and Kenman potentially has a cop ability, I think it's better to lynch Earlder first.

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ITT Bouncy gives away his alignment. He's the next lynch after whichever of the other two flips scum.

The hell? Lynch me right now to validate my claim, if you want. I don't know how long it is until I get killed, anyways.

Actually, how about Earlder tracks me so that one of us is confirmed (or both scum)

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Im not up on the action resolution...

but what if all the claims are true?

Bouncy blocked Kenman. STOPPING him from hiding.
So when Earl tracked him.. he went nowhere? All true. All town?

Maybe we put all 3 off till tomorrow? If they are telling the truth.. the scum will clear things up a little, no?

Oh yeah, I forgot that Kenman said he didn't get any confirmation.

My targets aren't told that they're blocked

, so it is possible.

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Unvote

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Bouncy, Earl, and Ken, I want all three of you to submit the time yesterday you sent your role action PMs. Now.

10:47am PT on the 17th

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Roleblockers resolve after hiding, so that doesn't interfere with the tracker result

That's only if Incog uses Natural Action Resolution or something like it.

That was already confirmed somewhere in the thread. Either Earlder or Kenman has to be lying. Or both

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Shouldn't we give Maemuki a chance to tell us who she wants to lynch?

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Shouldn't we give Maemuki a chance to tell us who she wants to lynch?

Shouldn't you tell us who you want to lynch?

Not feeling very strong about anybody right now. But I'm most suspicious of SC becuase of his pushing for massclaim and bandwagoning.

I'm okay with a Maemuki lynch--if she posts some substance first or the deadline passes. I just don't like lynching people who haven't posted much because in my experience it's rarely caught scum.

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Would like to see tracker results from Earlder before picking a plan.

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Due to Elli's info, if there's a godfather in the game, it's likely SPS or Camn.

I don't like this post.

First, how is it likely that a GF is SPS or camn? Seems to me just as likely that anybody else could be a godfather... could be you, actually.

Second, I don't like going after cop innocents. Scum might have a role cop or something instead.

Third, Camn has seemed extremely pro-town to me, and I've felt a lot better about SPS after mid-D2. So, I'll take a chance on assuming that the quoted post is manipulation.

Vote: SaintKerrigan

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Edit: I'd consider lynching a cop innocent in Lylo if no roled scum dies, though. But I doubt it's Lylo right now.

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Either SPS or Camn flipping godfather will clear the other of suspicion (because two godfathers in the same game is very, very unlikely). If anyone else flips godfather, both SPS and Camn are cleared.

And if neither flips godfather? We won't have enough people left for "anyone else" to flip godfather.

First, what does scum having a rolecop have to do with anything?

People have been talking about a scum role because we started with (apparently) 4 roled townies and no signs of roled scum. I'm suggesting that the scum wouldn't need a godfather for the game to be balanced.

Okay. So why's Camn town? Why's SPS feeling town? Why is my post manipulation?

Camn seems too active to be scum. SPS has stopped being lurkish and been reasonable in his attacks.

Also, who were your targets the past couple of days?

SerialClergyman both days. For reasons I gave earlier.

Bouncy: you should announce who your target for today is before the morning period ends (since you are prolly gonna die)
If it is late enough, the scum will have already sent in their kill, and will be unable to avoid your targeting.

In fact, I propose that bouncy be the one to hammer, whoever it is we end up hammering, if we do it in the morning phase.
That way he can announce his RB choice and hammer all in one post, thus ending the Morning phase and disallowing any further scumkill PMing.

Sure, sounds good to me.

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You wanna lynch Buttonman?
I get firm scumvibes off him.

He's not at L-1 right now, though...this is about to fail

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Sorry about missing that, I didn't realize the site time is an hour behind, and SK posted like 15 minutes after my lunch break ended anyways.

I blocked TBM. I hope that's what you mean by "results", because I don't get any information about my blocks (and my targets don't, either).

I'm thinking the scumteam is TBM and SK, but I would lynch SC. Still think it's a bad idea to lynch a cop innocent today.

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Will hammer if nobody has anything else to say after my block revelation.

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I'm thinking the scumteam is TBM and SK, but I would lynch SC.

??? Why do you want to lynch SC instead of your top two suspects?

Vote: TheButtonMen.

lol, not instead of them. I meant if he somehow got close to a lynch.

I'm good with the plan again tomorrow. Just don't make it take so long, unless something freaky comes up.

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lol, not instead of them. I meant if he somehow got close to a lynch.

Why were you willing to lynch SC at all when your top two scumpicks yesterday were Button and me?

Because I wasn't very sure on any of you. And when the game gets down to the wire, I go with any of my suspects who the town wants to lynch, since I usually think people are better scumhunters than I am.

I think it's more likely that both you and SC are scum than one scum being among the two innocents, but with TBM not being a roled scum, I'm okay with lynching one of them if somebody makes a better case against them than people have already.

But I still think your "one of them is probably a godfather" was a scum play.

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Alright, good to see two other people behind it.

I'll hammer and reveal my block in the same post.

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Vote: SaintKerrigan

my blocks:
D1 hoopla
D2 serialclergyman
D3 earlder
D4 earlder

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@ Kenman: GG, and thanks. For the record, I salute you for allowing yourself to be thrown under the bus to get the win. When scum do stuff like that, town is always in big trouble (because they rarely see it coming).

Don't wanna take anything away from him, but he really wasn't happy about it at first. I went right after the bus because SC and I thought it was a great opportunity, and I had no idea if my internet was going to die again the next minute. I felt a lot better when he came up with the hider claim on his own and then ended up surviving for basically a full two days after that and went along with the bus great.