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Post Post #6 (isolation #0) » Sun May 16, 2010 2:16 pm

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Yay.

Hello, everyone.
I don't know most of you, so I am unsure who the scum are right now. But you should all know this:
I am listening to dumb lectures every day getting ready for finals. No music. No fun. No Happiness.

Thus, I am not to be trifled with.

That is all.

And Happy Birthday, Hoopla ;).

Oh, ps:
VOTE: MAEMUKI

For mishandling your PR in haylens game. That could have been a much cleaner win.
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Post Post #20 (isolation #1) » Mon May 17, 2010 6:25 am

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@ Shovel. I don't know you, and I am not going anywhere with you.

@ Kenman: Are you scum?

@ Mae: Exactly. You should have claimed! It broke my heart to see that lynch, with Spyrex so close to the noose!

@SK- I am not ready for an Eli lynch, policy be damned.
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Post Post #24 (isolation #2) » Mon May 17, 2010 6:59 am

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Well, not precisely.

Logically, if it WERE true, SK could be scum sometimes, whilst Elli were town.
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Post Post #35 (isolation #3) » Mon May 17, 2010 9:53 am

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unvote
vote: bouncy bouncy
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Post Post #54 (isolation #4) » Mon May 17, 2010 2:57 pm

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bouncy.bouncy wrote:...until that's resolved.

(hit the submit button too early)
Why don't we just lynch you, since you are scum.
That will resolve things nicely.
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Post Post #88 (isolation #5) » Mon May 17, 2010 5:43 pm

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Firstly: Bouncy and Midnight Sorrow are partners.
Midnight came in right away with the buss... then shifted gears to the chainsaw (25 minutes later), caught some heat for it... then went right back to the buss!! (1.5h later!) It was not 'too risky for town'.. .it was too risky for SCUM. that is why he switched to me right away.

THis was all in the span of, like, 10 posts.

This is nightless, right? So there almost certainly is Daytalk... and I can only imagine the look of the QT over there.
Maybe bouncy realizes hes dead, and talked midnight back onto the wagon.

They are both scum.. I will support either lynch.

I think bouncy is a better lynch.. because if we are wrong, and he actually believes the stuff he has been writing... then he is almost WORSE than scum. He is a townie without a clue.

But we aren't wrong.


2ndly:
+1 to Hoopla. Earl needs to recognize what kind of game this is. Replace out if you cant keep up. I will go crazy if our powerroles get deadline lynched with 2 votes after I am dead. And I
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be dead. There is no need to consider me for a lynch.. the scum will kill me
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Post Post #99 (isolation #6) » Tue May 18, 2010 3:59 am

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@midnight: your Initial so-called 'random vote' was bouncy's fifth. Putting him at L-2.
Were you or were you not aware of this when you voted?
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Post Post #102 (isolation #7) » Tue May 18, 2010 5:29 am

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UNVOTE
VOTE: MIDNIGHT'S SORROW
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Post Post #110 (isolation #8) » Tue May 18, 2010 12:07 pm

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Lurkerscum wagonstarters.
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Post Post #115 (isolation #9) » Tue May 18, 2010 4:02 pm

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@ Clergy......... weren't you in Deep South Speedy Massive?

@ Kenman... See post 111. I hate that too.
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Post Post #120 (isolation #10) » Tue May 18, 2010 4:18 pm

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How did you choose bouncy to vote 'randomly'?
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Post Post #121 (isolation #11) » Tue May 18, 2010 4:19 pm

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Plus, given that 5 people followed me, I think my reasons were.. and ARE... self explanatory.
The only people that can't see them don't share my win condition.

@ Hoopla.. I thought he was a hydra somewhere!
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Post Post #130 (isolation #12) » Tue May 18, 2010 4:46 pm

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You had time to find a random number generator and look at the playerlist... but not look at the votecount which was a post or two above yours??? What if you had hammered?

I don't believe you. Plain and simple. You are scum.

More votes please.
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Post Post #132 (isolation #13) » Tue May 18, 2010 4:51 pm

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The fact that you ALWAYS HAVE A RANDOM NUMBER GENERATOR HANDY?????

Yes.
That is all I need.
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Post Post #135 (isolation #14) » Tue May 18, 2010 4:56 pm

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I have no worries at all about looking bad.

Although I REALLY don't want to talk about it.. I am kind of against the RVS... and TOTALLY against doing anything by random number.
there is NO town-motivation for it.
It is simply a way to fail to take responsibility for your vote.

Which only scum need to do.

QED.
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Post Post #146 (isolation #15) » Tue May 18, 2010 5:58 pm

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I used a random number generator for mine.
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Post Post #159 (isolation #16) » Wed May 19, 2010 5:51 am

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Midnight's Sorrow wrote:
camn wrote:@midnight: your Initial so-called 'random vote' was bouncy's fifth. Putting him at L-2.
Were you or were you not aware of this when you voted?
Nope. It was pure random. I hadn't even read the thread yet. .
Midnight's Sorrow wrote: Seeing as how the mods vote count was the last post on the page that I posted on, I of course knew that any vote that I made would not put anyone near L-1 any time soon. I am not in any way shape or form stupid.
Which is it?
Were you AWARE that your initial vote was putting bouncy at L-2?
Or were you UNAWARE of the votecount?

Are you now trying to tell us you looked at the votecount
just enough to see that it wouldn't be L-1???



O .
M.
G.

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Midnight's Sorrow wrote:Any reason why you people are not giving a reason behind your votes and vote changes??
camn wrote:I used a random number generator for mine.
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Post Post #163 (isolation #17) » Wed May 19, 2010 6:09 am

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Midnight's Sorrow wrote:Are you aware that the only post on page three at the time of my first posting
was
the vote count post??
:roll:
Yes, I was.
That is why I found it hard to believe when you claimed not to have known what the votecount was.
Why would you lie and say you didn't know that it was L-2?

You need a better answer, scum, not just rolling of the eyes and veiled insults.
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Post Post #168 (isolation #18) » Wed May 19, 2010 6:32 am

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Midnight's Sorrow wrote:I do believe I never said I didn't know what the vote count was. :roll: :roll:
Midnight's Sorrow wrote:
camn wrote:@midnight: your Initial so-called 'random vote' was bouncy's fifth. Putting him at L-2.
Were you or were you not aware of this when you voted?
Nope. It was pure random. I hadn't even read the thread yet. .
Explain. If you can.
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Post Post #173 (isolation #19) » Wed May 19, 2010 6:46 am

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claim or die, scum. You are at L-1.

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PLus, you are describing exactly what I thought you would do. Skim.. and vote.
But you voted the leading wagon. And then claimed it was RVS.
There is a disconnect there.. so I inquired.

You claimed YOU DIDN'T KNOW the votecount.

I never asked if you had read the thread.. I asked if you knew the votecount.
You said no.. now you say yes.

LET'S ACCEPT THAT for a moment.

The question arises...
why would you drop a L-2 vote on someone without having read the thread at all?


EIther: it was your buddy, and you wanted to buss from the get go.
OR
You are scum, and you dont care who dies.

Either way, you are scum.
No reasonable townie comes in and jumps on a sizeable wagon without reading the thread. Period. But please.. answer the above question.
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Post Post #176 (isolation #20) » Wed May 19, 2010 7:01 am

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You are refusing to claim?

Did it give you pause at all that your 'randomizer' was forcing you to put at L-2 someone who, as far as any townie would know, was totally innocent?
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Post Post #187 (isolation #21) » Wed May 19, 2010 7:37 am

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Look.. midnight.

I say this to improve your future play.. since you are a dead man.

Either you made a mistake, or you are scum.
If you had admitted to your mistake, like, 4 pages ago... this could have blown over.

But you didn't. You weasled, and fumed, and twisted and tried to rewrite history... all of which scum do.
But if you ARE town, you need not worry.. the analysis of your wagon will be helpful.
Of course, I think you actually are scum. I get SO MAD when I am scum and I get caught right away. And so should you.

Next time, play better. Insulting me has never once helped anyone on this site out of the noose.


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ha ha
GaS = Get Actual Scum.
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Post Post #266 (isolation #22) » Thu May 20, 2010 6:29 am

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Wow.

Ok, look... I am with Hoopla, and I am going to restate the situation:

There was no kill.
There is a real possibility that
a) the scum screwed up the mechanic.
There is also a real possibility that
b) bouncy, who we can assume is telling the truth, actually blocked scum.

THese situations are not mutually exclusive. Either or both can be true.

HOWEVER.. Kenman almost certainly has to die.
This is bad because:
1. It inhibits us from traditional scum hunting.
2. The Kenman wagon is less valuable, since it is investigation driven.
3. If only a) is true.. then bouncy gets set up for the mislynch.

I PROPOSE: we lynch Kenman with the agreement that bouncy does NOT get lynched on the basis of kenmans flip. Bouncy gets lynched, or not, based on traditional inquisition later in the game.

If everyone can agree to that, then I support a Kenman Lynch.

Kenman: I am willing to hear you out.. but claim or Die.

Also, be advised... I >AM< aware of how roleblockers work.. and so is Incog. That line of argument will not fly.
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Post Post #274 (isolation #23) » Thu May 20, 2010 6:51 am

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Hider, Hmm. That is a scummeriffic claim.

Can we use it somehow?
We can.

Kenman.. lucky you, you live.

We are going to use you as an investigative role.
From here on out, you need to hide behind the SCUMMIEST player.

Do it, and tell us who you are hiding behind AHEAD of time.

If you die, and flip hider, we know who the scum was.
If you AND they die.. then we lost you, but directed the NK to a scummy townie... so yay.
If you AND they live.. then we file that away.

In a couple days, (BEFORE LYLO, PEOPLE!) if Kenman is still alive.. we lynch him.
If he flips Hider, then all his Targets are clear.
If he flips scum, then Yay.

Everyone Unvote, please.. and lets get down to biz.
Kenman.. Hide behind Earl.
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Post Post #275 (isolation #24) » Thu May 20, 2010 6:53 am

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Be advised.. if we ever flip a scum roleblocker (or bus driver or something...), than the gambit fails. But we are no worse than we are now.

All Town PRs: stay off Kenman and his targets.
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Post Post #292 (isolation #25) » Thu May 20, 2010 8:48 am

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Keep it secret, but stay away from Kennan and his targets.

You are likely dead if you don't pick right... So give it some thought.
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Post Post #296 (isolation #26) » Thu May 20, 2010 10:38 am

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NO MORE CLAIMING!


Jesus people.
I gotta think this over.
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Post Post #301 (isolation #27) » Thu May 20, 2010 11:07 am

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Im not up on the action resolution...

but what if all the claims are true?

Bouncy blocked Kenman. STOPPING him from hiding.
So when Earl tracked him.. he went nowhere? All true. All town?

Maybe we put all 3 off till tomorrow? If they are telling the truth.. the scum will clear things up a little, no?
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Post Post #319 (isolation #28) » Thu May 20, 2010 1:21 pm

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Heres the deal.. it is all Moot.

Firstly, I don't see much scum-reason for Earl or Bouncy's claim... and Kenman being scum is a non issue.
Lets contemplate the IFs.

Kenman-scum is nullified. He dies before endgame. Period.
Kenman town can have value to us.
Thus, Kenman should live.

Earl-scum is nullified by Kenman-town's play tonight.
Earl-town will be NK'd tonight, taking Kenman-town with him.
Thus, he should live.

We need to drop this entire line of discussion, and start getting into a MAEMUKI lynch.
We have till monday to get our shiz together. And I might actually have some free time this weekend!

For now:
VOTE: MAEMUKI


For Low Activity. Iso her.. there is nothing there.
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Post Post #327 (isolation #29) » Thu May 20, 2010 3:14 pm

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Earl... my strategy is sound. Kenman will take care of himself.

PLUS.. him flipping scum wouldn't confirm you in any way.
At all.
Ask Ellibereth. He knows about trashing your partner for the win :)
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Post Post #355 (isolation #30) » Fri May 21, 2010 10:14 am

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Wagon analysis is made of win.

@Mae
I don't really remember lovers... Remind me pls?
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Post Post #364 (isolation #31) » Fri May 21, 2010 11:05 am

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Scum bus driver or roleblocker.

Kennan dies before lylo. But no need for it to be now.
If you are scared of his vote, we can control it, on pain of death.
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Post Post #366 (isolation #32) » Fri May 21, 2010 11:29 am

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No need to speculate on setup.
Kenman is nullified.

Plus, my gut says he is telling the truth.
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Post Post #369 (isolation #33) » Fri May 21, 2010 11:43 am

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Yep. Or tomorrow morning when he targets some other scum, if we are wrong about the resolution.
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Post Post #372 (isolation #34) » Fri May 21, 2010 12:53 pm

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Can we get back to lynching Maemuki?
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Post Post #383 (isolation #35) » Fri May 21, 2010 5:53 pm

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My prediction?

Ken's hide resolves at the end of the day.
He dies because Earl is scum.
Hoopla is dead because Kenman's death would have confirmed Hoopla.
Earl was trying to cut us off at the pass with his fake claim.

Now that that is settled... can we lynch Maemuki?
Then we can get some real data from the ken/earl situation.

Mae.. you were going to explain how this is like our Lover's game?
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Post Post #387 (isolation #36) » Fri May 21, 2010 6:58 pm

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camn wrote:.
Hoopla is dead because Kenman's death would have confirmed Hoopla.
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Post Post #393 (isolation #37) » Sat May 22, 2010 10:36 am

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No need to prod when we can simply lynch, people.

I shall never allow a lurker to live.

Either they are scum, or a liability. Either way they hurt the town.
More maemuki votes!
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Post Post #396 (isolation #38) » Sat May 22, 2010 4:39 pm

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MAYBE too scummy to be scum.. but also too lurky to live.

Plus we need to lynch someone. Her or Buttonman?
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Post Post #405 (isolation #39) » Sun May 23, 2010 5:07 am

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agreed.
Though I suspect Earl is caught scum as of the days end.. . and Mae is lynched scum.
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Post Post #409 (isolation #40) » Sun May 23, 2010 11:28 am

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Maemuki:
Claim or Die.
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Post Post #411 (isolation #41) » Sun May 23, 2010 4:01 pm

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Incognito wrote:
Reminder: Your deadline is in less than 24 hours.
. . and deadline lynches are for towns with no spine.


FOS: Everyone not voting
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Post Post #417 (isolation #42) » Mon May 24, 2010 3:28 am

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TheButtonmen wrote:Reeaaaal intimindating Camn.
You are next on my list, friend.
As far as I can tell, you are a lot of egging-it-on and not a lot of putting-your-vote-where-your-mouth-is.

Is there a reason for this?
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Post Post #421 (isolation #43) » Mon May 24, 2010 6:30 am

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Incognito wrote:
General Game Rules


General Rules

  • Normal lynching will require a majority of votes. However, if a majority is not reached at deadline, the player with the most votes at the end of the Day will be lynched. In the event of a tie, the player who reached the number first will be the one who is lynched.
Relax, SK.
No majority just means that some players here, like most men in my life, are incredible pussies.
And that Mae is getting deadline lynched without a claim two quick games in a row.
Which is why she got my RVS vote to begin with.
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Post Post #425 (isolation #44) » Mon May 24, 2010 6:48 am

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Steam-Powered Shovel wrote:Anyone want me to hammer so the Day'll end a few hours earlier?
I want you to hammer so that you will have made a concrete statement on the wagon.
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Post Post #428 (isolation #45) » Mon May 24, 2010 6:59 am

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Wow. What a stance.

If Mae flips town I suspect SPS scum.
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Post Post #430 (isolation #46) » Mon May 24, 2010 7:16 am

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Scum hate to take a stand.

Your lack of follow up on your Buttonman case is also suspect.
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Post Post #436 (isolation #47) » Mon May 24, 2010 8:04 am

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Why? Why couldn't you stick to the plan?

This could cost us the game.

I gotta think.
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Post Post #440 (isolation #48) » Mon May 24, 2010 8:25 am

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VOTE: KENMA
N


I have a strong town feeling from Kenman... but I am not convinced that kenman-town means earl-scum.

Too much PR setup speculation confuses me.. but Kenman defying the plan must be punished with death.
I just hope his foolishness doesn't cost us the game.

Can we quicklynch and avoid a nightkill? Does that happen?

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Post Post #446 (isolation #49) » Mon May 24, 2010 9:02 am

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SaintKerrigan wrote:Got it, sweetie?
I do, but it relies on Earl knowing what he is talking about.
Which is something I rarely believe.

I am fine with a whenever lynch.
Kenman's betrayal and Mae's flip are both disturbing me.
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Post Post #456 (isolation #50) » Mon May 24, 2010 12:12 pm

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SaintKerrigan wrote:
Camn wrote:I do, but it relies on Earl knowing what he is talking about.
Which is something I rarely believe.
Past experience? When/where?
OF ANYONE. EVER.

I support rethinking a Kenman lynch... though logic tells me that if he screwed up the plan once, he can screw it up twice.

I also want results.
Results from everyone, b.b.
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Post Post #460 (isolation #51) » Mon May 24, 2010 1:21 pm

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Incognito wrote:*Maemuki (6) <-~ camn, SerialClergyman, Ellibereth, SaintKerrigan, Kenman, Steam-Powered Shovel

Not voting (4) <-~ Maemuki, bouncy.bouncy, TheButtonmen, Earlder1
ON WAGON <-~
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Kenman
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OFF WAGON <-~
Maemuki
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bouncy.bouncy
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TheButtonmen, Earlder1


obvtown

leaning town

neutral
leaning scum

obvscum
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Post Post #466 (isolation #52) » Mon May 24, 2010 2:02 pm

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Go button go!
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Post Post #477 (isolation #53) » Mon May 24, 2010 4:18 pm

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I am vanilla.

Which is why I am unleashed.
When I am vanilla I have nothing to lose :)

Next = Steam Shovel
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Post Post #480 (isolation #54) » Mon May 24, 2010 4:44 pm

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Kenman wrote:I opted to change the plan in order potentially find a second scum, had I been successful, Im sure I would have been praised instead of lynched. .
I appreciate the effort.. but if you had been successful, YOU WOULD BE DEAD!
Nobody would have caught on to your plan.

I think you are playing a pretty town game.. but next time, stick to the plan. Liars get Lynched around these parts.
Now we have no scum, and no town, since I will be dead soon.
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Post Post #490 (isolation #55) » Tue May 25, 2010 5:36 am

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boberz:
CLaim now. Dont read the thread. just claim.
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Post Post #496 (isolation #56) » Tue May 25, 2010 7:01 am

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why are you being so frantic?

Dirty south, baby.
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Post Post #498 (isolation #57) » Tue May 25, 2010 7:02 am

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OOps.. never mind. My bad. I thought it was afternoon already !!
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Post Post #500 (isolation #58) » Tue May 25, 2010 7:14 am

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Wow, Kenman.
Well played.
I was fooled till the very end.
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Post Post #502 (isolation #59) » Tue May 25, 2010 7:16 am

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bouncy.bouncy

camn

boberz

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SerialClergyman

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TheButtonmen


I think that this game has just taken a turn for the better.
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Post Post #504 (isolation #60) » Tue May 25, 2010 7:34 am

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I am more inclined toward a SPS lynch than a button lynch right now.
His play at the end of the Maemuki wagon bothers me, as I stated.
But I would support lynching either, as it stands.

And to pre-empt the talk of me being scum:
Its nonsense.
I breadcrumbed my vanilla status in post 1, which means one of two things. Either:
a) I am vanilla OR
b) I was PLANNING a vanilla fake claim, and no other fakeclaim, the whole time.

Now, If a), I am town.
If b), I have incredible foresight and planning skills.. in which case I would have NEVER allowed the Kenman situation to progress how it did.
Ask yourself if you can see me coaching him SO POORLY. No chance.

Basically, anyone who says I am Kenman's partner insults my abilities :)

That said, Buttonmen: lets see your case.
You were lining up lynches earlier.. seemed pretty convinced that Kenman would flip scum. Maybe you already knew his alignment? Show me the money.
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Post Post #507 (isolation #61) » Tue May 25, 2010 9:02 am

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I don't want to have this argument.. but outside of unconfirmed power-role speculation.. how was Kenman scummy? His responses seemed genuine to me.

I had a town read on him, which I defended.

Do you really think that, in the face of 2 power role attacks.. that I would fail to bus a scumpartner?
There is no scum motivation for it, especially considering that my position ALWAYS was to lynch Kenman before Lylo. Why would me-scum openly protect someone who I KNEW would flip scum eventually? How does that even make sense? Clearly I thought he was town, which procludes me from being scum.
The fact that you wanted to rush it so hard is the scummy part, but I have a town read on you otherwise.

But if it HAS to be me or SPS (a position I am not convinced on) then lets lynch him. But is he is town and you stick with this serial-lynch nonsense.. then we are dead.

Also.. just a point of irony. You are attacking me both for lynching Kenman too quickly, and for not Lynching Kenman quickly enough. :)
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Post Post #510 (isolation #62) » Tue May 25, 2010 9:55 am

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hm.

Well. I am town, So I wouldn't waste too much time thinking about it.

Really, though.. I would have bussed him if I knew he was scum. Probably on bouncy's result alone. DEF with Earl's thrown in.

And to answer your question, 506! The whydidntyouunvote@ L-1.

I do admit I wasn't thinking about a quicklynch hurting us. I actually had kind of lost track of where we were, time-wise.
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Post Post #512 (isolation #63) » Tue May 25, 2010 11:46 am

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Ah.
Well then. lets get down to it.

Do we believe Earls claim?
Or bouncy for that matter?

I am inclined to, because I am trusting... but either could be an elaborate buss, no?
I do wish bobrz had checked in more quickly...

I bring this up for prudence's sake only. It would take a lot of convincing to get me off of Button/SPS.
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Post Post #514 (isolation #64) » Tue May 25, 2010 12:22 pm

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claim now!!

dont read.
claim role and results if any!
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Post Post #523 (isolation #65) » Tue May 25, 2010 2:40 pm

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Really, clergy?
Button's case is "camns the GF har har diescumsie" ????

@ Button:
Here is the key question you need to answer to build a case:

Show me my hypo-scum motivation for not bussing him.
What would it have gained me?
I was committed to lynching him before Lylo, so all this fallout would have been inevitable.
How would I have even known there WAS a cop.. and if so, that I would draw an investigation?

Show me what possible motivation I would have had, especially given that I fully agreed to lynching him before Lylo.

In fact, your reasoning is so weak, and the scum motivation for lynching me is so large (ESPECIALLY if SPS is scum) that you are about to earn my vote.
At least Kerrigan makes a sensible case.
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Post Post #524 (isolation #66) » Tue May 25, 2010 2:50 pm

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Sorry for the double.. but I had a nice idea:

how does the action resolution work on kills?
( I ask cuz I dont get it..)

If we lynch scum this morning, is that scum unable to make the kill?

Cuz then we might have a good chance of finding scum with the PRs.

Bouncy: you should announce who your target for today is before the morning period ends (since you are prolly gonna die)
If it is late enough, the scum will have already sent in their kill, and will be unable to avoid your targeting.

In fact, I propose that bouncy be the one to hammer, whoever it is we end up hammering, if we do it in the morning phase.
That way he can announce his RB choice and hammer all in one post, thus ending the Morning phase and disallowing any further scumkill PMing.

Obv, if we need more time, he should just let us know before the morning ends. Just in case.
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Post Post #530 (isolation #67) » Tue May 25, 2010 3:07 pm

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Gosh, I just Iso'd the Buttonman.
I highly recommend it.

For someone that thought Kenman was "OBVSCUM OMG!!" he didn;t talk much.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 57#2283457
this was the only post where he expressed suspicion of him.
Not enough for a vote. Not enough to push Kens lynch or anything.

In fact, Button has been very careful not to really push any lynch.

He starts with an RVS vote on hoopla, which he VERY weakly tries to turn into a real wagon, for no stated reason.
THen he switches to Earl, also for no reason of his own, while sheeping my case on Midnight.
Twice he apparently forgets who he is voting, and re-votes them. Probably because it doesn't MATTER, he isn't trying to actually build a case.

VOTE: BUTTONMAN


You are scum.
You have been active lurking all game.
You have no case on me, you are just trying to jump on Kerrigan's, since he is a much better player than you.
You have been coasting all game, and have yet to make a case against me.

Look at Clergy! He can answer the questions that you can't seem to. I don't agree with the answers, but at least they are there.
That is how townies play, not like you.
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Post Post #531 (isolation #68) » Tue May 25, 2010 3:12 pm

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now, Clergy.

Show me where I pushed a button lynch yesterday?
I seem to remember putting my vote on Ken and keeping it there.

And I know that I was VERY CLEAR that Ken needed to die before Lylo.
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Post Post #535 (isolation #69) » Tue May 25, 2010 3:57 pm

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SaintKerrigan wrote:
SaintKerrigan wrote:
Camn wrote:I do, but it relies on Earl knowing what he is talking about.
Which is something I rarely believe.
Past experience? When/where?
Camn, please answer this.
I did.
That was a reference to not believing ANYONE ever knows what they are doing.

@ Clergy: I am not trying to get points from Lynching Kenman.... just countering your earlier erroneous statement re: me pushing a button lynch.
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Post Post #536 (isolation #70) » Tue May 25, 2010 4:03 pm

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Also.. I will be out for a bit...

I strongly recommend against nit-picking me into the noose.
I am perfectly willing to rebut any real case, but you guys gotta actually bring one.

Check your facts first, too.. I don't want to ask for proof of warrantless accusations!

And lets Lynch Button.
I DO have a Cop-innocent on me! That isn't the GREATEST reason to lynch someone ever!

Just Iso him, then Iso me.
THEN we can talk.
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Post Post #540 (isolation #71) » Wed May 26, 2010 4:10 am

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SaintKerrigan wrote:So wait a second. Why is Earl/Boberz an obvscum read yet you were voting for a leaning town read?
KERRIGAN!

Stop this.
YOu know my position on the kenman/earl thing.
It was very very clear.

I thought Kenman was town, and Earl was caught by The Plan.
However, as per the Plan, and my repeated statements, Ken had to die

Obv, with his flip, it is clear I was wrong.
Which is not scummy.

If we spend the rest of the day asking and answering questions with no purpose, you are going to lynch a townie and have nothing to work with in Lylo. Is this what you want?

ISO BUTTON. then get back to me. If you are town, that is.
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Post Post #544 (isolation #72) » Wed May 26, 2010 2:01 pm

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I agree re: Bouncy. It seemed a little too out-of-the blue to be a bus.
But Earl I am not so convinced on.

However, given the lack of town unity, I think if earl was bussing, then we are probably beaten.
boberz wrote:In fact SK, a potential slip. You claimed VT, does this differ from the Townie described in the Second Post?
If he is anything like me, he didn't even look at his PM since he got it. . . so I think this is null. Maybe even a towntell. If you were fakeclaiming, you would probably look really hard at the example, no?
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Post Post #546 (isolation #73) » Wed May 26, 2010 3:10 pm

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Finally some sense.

IN the flurry.. did anyone notice my strategy recommendation re: Bouncy?

In fact
UNVOTE

since Button is at L-1.

You can pretty much consider my vote ON button.. but I want no quickhammer, right SK?

Anyway
BOUNCY [/]b.. are you on board re: giving us your results at the very last second of morning?
And can I get some feedback on this plan?
My thought is... if Button is scum, and we lynch him in the morning phase.. then he cant execute the kill. (though I am unsure of this)
THen, if bouncy lets us know who he targets... then if bouncy dies, we know who the third (last?) scum ISN'T.
The ideal timing would be bouncy hammering and claiming target in the same post.. since the hammer ends the day.

Thoughts?
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Post Post #549 (isolation #74) » Wed May 26, 2010 4:06 pm

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SerialClergyman wrote:Quickhammer isn't quite as important as yesterday when results hadn't been announced, but nonetheless it's probably good form to unvote
True. But if it works how I think it works... we get a confirmed townie out of the deal, at WORST.
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Post Post #551 (isolation #75) » Wed May 26, 2010 4:28 pm

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Well, that makes it less of a lock.

But I still want the info before the kill happens.

Of course, Bouncy can play WIFOM with the scum.
Will he block the lynchee?
Or someone else??

Hmm?
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Post Post #554 (isolation #76) » Wed May 26, 2010 5:04 pm

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bouncy.bouncy wrote:Sure, sounds good to me.
Good.

You wanna lynch Buttonman?
I get firm scumvibes off him.

Plus, you targeting SC twice makes me feel pretty good about him. If I were scum, I would have used him at least once, due to his townieness.
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Post Post #560 (isolation #77) » Thu May 27, 2010 7:04 am

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INdeed.
Deadline in 27 minutes... do we have the precision?

If bouncy dies without letting us know his target, I am willing to hammer, obv.
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Post Post #564 (isolation #78) » Thu May 27, 2010 8:20 am

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indeed.
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Post Post #567 (isolation #79) » Thu May 27, 2010 8:52 am

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I am ready for the button to die.

So, tomorrow.. same plan? Get us your target just before morning ends. YOu hammering is the best way?

Because you almost CERTAINLY have to die tomorrow, right? Unless you are scum, which I doubt.

Here is L-1
VOTE: ButtonMen
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Post Post #573 (isolation #80) » Thu May 27, 2010 10:28 am

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wow.

That means one of {bouncy, kerrigan, clergy} must be scum.
Which destroys my entire conception of this game.
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Post Post #577 (isolation #81) » Thu May 27, 2010 11:12 am

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That is a good point. Hadn't thought of it!

And I think bringing it up gives townpoints to SPS.
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Post Post #580 (isolation #82) » Thu May 27, 2010 12:28 pm

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OK, heres the deal.

I dont think bouncy claiming a block on Kenman was a bus.
If it was, than this game is won by the scum.

Thus, to me, bouncy is clear.
But I see absolutely no scum motivation for him to remind us we need a morning lynch. Plus, he has an innocent.
Thus, SPS is prob-town.
I know I am town.

That leaves SC and SK as my suspects. Which is disturbing, because I have had a town read on them both all game. But they are experience players.. so why not.

SO, heres the rub.
ALL 3 townies need to vote scum before morning ends.
Thus, I pledge my vote to bouncy.bouncy.. and I encourage the other townie to do the same. We will win and lose by his decision.

SK: the town has no time for nitpicky little questions like your last post.
What was the point of that? Are you really considering bouncy-scum? or just feeling out if you could get a case started on him?
I think you are scum.
Your buss on Kenman was intense from the get-go. YOu were probably happy to get rid of the weak link of your scumteam.
Jumping on the 'there must be a godfather' idea was scummy... lunching a cop-innocent would be a nice little coup for scum, I think.

But what I think doesn't really matter.
Bouncy, you have the ball.
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Post Post #583 (isolation #83) » Thu May 27, 2010 1:22 pm

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I agree. Lets lynch him.

Bouncy? Say the word.
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Post Post #589 (isolation #84) » Thu May 27, 2010 2:06 pm

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VOTE: St. KERRIGAN


I might be playing terribles.... I certainly have been wrong alot....But I can see what SC meant by that quite easily.

This is yet another example of SK trying to wedge a case in on semantics.
Me, Bouncy, and SC. He has tried it on all of us.
Also.. I just did a quick Iso of him...he has barely spoken to SPS all game. Why is this?

More reasons Kerrigan is scum:
SaintKerrigan wrote:Meanwhile,
Vote: Ellibereth.

Policy lynch. We've never been on the same side.
This is a scumfession?

Plus.. the kicker: I just Iso'd Kerrigan.. and have a nce glowing townread.
Given that ALL of my reads have been off this game so far, that means he must be scum, no?
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Post Post #591 (isolation #85) » Thu May 27, 2010 2:10 pm

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Whoa, ninja.
Thats L-1.

Do it, bouncy. Dont let them kill you w/o telling us who!
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Post Post #593 (isolation #86) » Thu May 27, 2010 2:13 pm

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God damn it.
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Post Post #594 (isolation #87) » Thu May 27, 2010 2:14 pm

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Goog game bouncy.
You and Kenman both had a hell of a game, IMO.
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Post Post #597 (isolation #88) » Thu May 27, 2010 2:19 pm

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Gods damn you all. :)
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Post Post #598 (isolation #89) » Thu May 27, 2010 2:21 pm

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I'm never believing another powerrole claim again.

ever.
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Post Post #601 (isolation #90) » Thu May 27, 2010 2:27 pm

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Incog is the best.

And the buss was incredible. I couldn't even see it as possible.. but my reflexes are traditional.
I guess I should have thought about daytalk more. It would really increase your ability to coordinate!
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Post Post #604 (isolation #91) » Thu May 27, 2010 2:36 pm

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grr.

After reading those QTs, I have to say..I DID play terribly, and I would like to play this game again.
My only excuse is, I am in the middle of Finals right now, and haven't had the time to re read.. so I was playing very day-by-day.

But I had fun anyway! Despite catching no one and being wrong about everything!
I think too much early claiming kind of killed us this game. And lurking, as always. And Midnight derailing the bouncy wagon :) God how different things would have been......
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Post Post #620 (isolation #92) » Thu May 27, 2010 6:54 pm

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SaintKerrigan wrote:Yeah, town allowing Kenman to quickhammer was an awful, awful blunder. It was another reason why I suspected Camn, because I thought a player of her stature would know better than allow that to happen. .
Im sorry! I was really, really distracted!

I am glad you are finally admitting that that comment was directed toward me, though!
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Post Post #625 (isolation #93) » Fri May 28, 2010 2:56 am

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Maemuki wrote:See camn, this did become lovers in the end.

AND I WANT TO FREAKING KILL MY FREAKING COMPUTER
I wish you would have explained it to me!
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