970 Grimm'S PR Madness- OVER

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke says know your role and /confirm.

Also, the Locke wishes you both Happy Scumday!

[Locke Lamora]

Iecerint, Colonel, let The Locke break the bad news to you - The Locke's restriction kicks your candy asses all over this thread.

[Locke Lamora]

Vote: esuriospiritus

Who...in the blue hell are you?

[Locke Lamora]

Deer votes for The Locke? The most electrifying man in mafia entertainment? The Locke's only got one thing to say to Deer: know your role and shut your mouth.

[Locke Lamora]

Deer: The Locke says that if you don't know who The Rock is, The Locke is going to take your restriction, turn it sideways, shine it up real good and stick it straight up your candy ass!

What in the blue hell is scummy about DocPotter's crackpot assumption?

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke says that there is no way, and The Locke means no way, that he is going to try to decipher Zang's posts if he comes up with monkey crap like that. The Locke sympathises with Zang, he does, but The Locke believes there must be a way to use words that translate to something the people can understand.

This roody-poo Shattered Viewpoint needs some encouragement, in the form of a good old-fashioned beatdown. The Locke says that this game is going to be difficult enough without lurkers.

Unvote; Vote: Shattered Viewpoint

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke's restrictions were to speak in the third person and to speak in the style of a sports commentator all the time, just like good ol' JR and Jerry Lawler. The Locke received his own restriction back with added electrifying conditions, in order to please the millions...

...and millions...

...of The Locke's fans.

To Pittbunny, The Locke says this: does your restriction also stop you from scumhunting? All The Locke sees is a string of posts that even a thirteen-year-old girl texting would be ashamed of. Hell, The Locke thinks a three year old texting would manage better scumhunting.

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke will give this scurvy dog a chance to catch up with the game; The Locke's vote has found a better home.

Pittbunny, The Locke does not like what he is hearing one bit. Not left the RVS? Still talking about PRs? The Locke says this: you leave the RVS when you look for scum, jabroni. The Locke knows that anybody who has no reason to scumhunt is heading straight for a smackdown from The Locke. The most electrifying man in mafia entertainment asks why you aren't scumhunting, and what does the Locke get? "No reason to, Locke!" The Locke will give you a reason by laying the smackdown on your candy ass!

Unvote; Vote: Pittbunny

Looking for scum now?

[Locke Lamora]

Pittbunny, let The Locke tell you something. When The Locke says he is going to lay the smackdown on your candy ass for lack of scumhunting, the way to avoid that ass-kicking is not by running your mouth about PRs. The Locke wants to know this: which of these jabronis do you find scummy?

To Shattered Viewpoint, The Locke says this: your vote for Iecerint is for misrepping DP?

[Locke Lamora]

Pittbunny, The Locke has another question for you, and that question is this: do you think esurio's reasons were better than Deer's?

DocPotter, don't think The Locke hasn't noticed that you're not scumhunting either. Maybe you don't want to post too much because of your restriction, The Locke can understand that, although The Locke thinks that the suggestion to repeat yourself is a good one. What The Locke does not like is the fact that you have not used any of your posts to hunt scum. You sit there with a little wagon on you and say nothing, then you still say nothing as this roody poo bunny gets wagoned instead. The Locke smells what DocPotter's cooking and he guaran-damn-tees it smells scummy.

[Locke Lamora]

Pitt, The Locke wants to clarify something. You say that D1 is too short right now for a hammer; are you implying that you would claim closer to deadline? The Locke wants to know if there is a situation in which you consider claiming to be helpful to the People's Town.

To Iecerint, The Locke says this: have you advanced from your earlier stance of watching Pitt? Perhaps you like watching people getting wagoned, you sick freak!

SV, you scurvy jabroni, what is your view of Iecerint now? Do you no longer find him scummy after his explanation?

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke doubts Pitt's attention to scumhunting when he thinks posting 6 times in a row automatically makes Zazier town. The Locke also agrees with the many comments about the claimed role, especially the rolefishing point. The Locke thinks there is no way, and The Locke means no way, that The Locke is going to wait for a second PR to be outed just for this scummy jabroni to prove his own PR.

To Iecerint, The Locke says this: laying the smackdown with the hammer on Pitt is the best damn way to solve this situation.

With that said, The Locke is still waiting for DP to get his roody-poo candy ass out here and hunt some scum.

To Pomegranate, The Locke says this: how would you know you had found a scum PR without lynching them first?

[Locke Lamora]

To Deer, The Locke says this: if finding your restriction annoying is an excuse for not posting, how in the blue hell do you expect half the players in this game to contribute frequently? The Locke finds your failure to make an effort, particularly when others are having to try much harder, extremely scummy. The Locke wants to know whether you find StrangerCoug's vote on the Pittjabroni wagon scummy too.

The Locke does not want to have to lay the smackdown on The Mod, but right now he's close to taking a trip down Know Your Role Boulevard.

[Locke Lamora]

Finally...The Locke has come back to this thread! What does The Locke find when he gets here? A steaming pile of monkey crap from so many jabronis it might as well be a convention!

The Locke could easily walk in here and think this was a contest to see who could claim they'd scumhunted more! The Locke says that pro-town players don't talk about how much they've already scumhunted, they go out and do some scumhunting. Bambi comes up with some of the most pathetic examples The Locke has ever seen, while Pome sits back and lets Zazie argue for her! Is The Locke missing something? The Locke thinks Pome's lack of reaction to this situation is about as scummy as Deer's awful claims to scumhunt this game, and as Deer's already getting a beatdown, The Locke's doing to take Pome for a trip to the Smackdown Hotel.

Vote: Pomegranate

The Locke also sees DP doing the same damn thing he did yesterday, which is a whole load of nothing! The Locke is sure as hell not going to wait several days for DP to built up his word count and dodge scumhunting while he's at it. Show some interest in finding scum, or The Locke will book you into the honeymoon suite Smackdown Hotel along with Pome and Deer.

[Locke Lamora]

To esurio, The Locke says this: you are reading Deer as town because you don't think he's manipulative enough to claim miller and suggest insane cop?

Iecerint, The Locke wants to know what information you would have expected a mafia thief to receive.

To all those making setup assumptions, The Locke says this: if Pomegranate's role swaps roles but not alignments, then every role in the game must be possible for every alignment to have. The Locke says that the implications for this are somewhat strange: consider if Pome had tagged CC - does Pome then have a different win condition, that of the bounty hunter and if so, shouldn't that qualify as an alignment change? If Pome had tagged Zang, would she have become a vig or SK? If she became a vig, would town have gained an extra player in Zang or would Zang have become an SK without any killing powers, or would Pome's power not have worked at all?

These questions need some answering or Pome's heading for a smackdown from the jabroni-beating, pie-eating, scum-hunting, mafia-lynching People's Champ, The Locke!

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke does not see any answers to his questions. Pome, does your role give you any indication of what would have happened if you targeted CC or Zang? The Locke says there is no way, and The Locke means no way, that you swapping roles with Zang does not constitute an alignment change. CC also seems to have been town-aligned but with a separate wincon - can you change wincon but remain town-aligned?

Iecerint, The Locke follows your logic up to a point; it seems clear that both Deer and Pome are telling the truth about their roles to some extent unless they are scum-jabronis together cooking up an elaborate plan. The Locke is not so certain that their alignments must be pro-town, however. The Locke says there are scenarios in which it would benefit scum-Pome to not use her tag right away. The Locke would also like to know what about Deer's results indicate a pro-town alignment.

[Locke Lamora]

To Zazier, The Locke says this: would you expect Deer to mention something about insane cops without claiming miller?

Deer, The Locke wants to know what you think of Iecerint's defence of you and Pome? What is your take on Pome's claim if she can not change alignment, contrary to your original assumption?

The Locke is going to take DP's restriction, shine it up real good, turn it sideways and stick it straight up his candy ass! Despite The Locke's repeated reminders, DP continues to willfully not contribute despite there being plenty of opportunity for him to do so. The Locke can only assume that Doc Jabroni has no interest in scumhunting because he has not seen one shred of him doing so in that pile of monkey crap he calls his posts. If The Locke was not incredibly dubious of Pome's role, DP would be getting the smackdown laid on him right now.

The Locke says answers are needed about Pome's role right away. The Locke does not think it would be that hard to clarify precisely what Pome's role affects and what its purpose is, but the lack of prompt answers make The Locke concerned that there might be aspects of this role Pome does not want us to hear.

[Locke Lamora]

To Pome, The Locke says this: The Locke wants lots of answers about the role because The Locke thinks both that not only does it imply an anti-town alignment, particularly with Deer's results, but it also has extensive implications for the whole set-up. If you definitely can steal any role, then it renders Iecerint's assumption about Deer totally null and void because all the roles must be alignment-ambiguous enough to switch sides. The Locke cannot understand how this can be with an SK in the game, however, so The Locke is assuming that either the role does not work on every player, or that it does not work in the way you have been told it works, or that this game is incredibly swingy and alignment changes are possible. Answers would be better than assumptions.

If no answers are forthcoming, The Locke will simply have to keep two possibilities in mind; either The Mod does not want us to know all of the information about the role, or Pome does not want us to know all of the information about the role. The Locke thinks that an answer to Iecerint's question would also be very useful.

[Locke Lamora]

Pome, The Locke says that yes, that is that for now. The Locke was clarifying what answers he wanted about your role as you seemed to think The Locke was only asking one question. The Locke wanted to be sure that you were aware of The Locke's reasons for wanting to know about the role so that there will be no confusion and no excuses later if other information is to emerge.

With that said, The Locke will:

unvote

The Locke needs to hear from three players in particular because The Locke is not satisfied with their contributions today.

esuriospiritus, The Locke believes that you have a post restriction that The Locke guaran-damn-tees is one of the easiest in this game. The Locke says that not making the effort to contribute with your restriction is pretty damn scummy and is severely damaging to the People's Town. The Locke would like to know if you still think Pome and Deer are telling the truth and are town, and also if you have developed any other suspects than Doc Jabroni.

Deer, The Locke says that all he can see is you defending yourself about the miller claim. You have not answered The Locke's questions and you do not appear to be looking for scum in the slightest since you revealed your results on Pome. The Locke is starting to wonder if you have any genuine interest in whether Pome is scum or not.

Doc Jabroni, you have tested the patience of the most electrifying man in mafia entertainment for the last time. The Locke is done letting you hide away while Pomegranate takes a beatdown. Either you get your roody-poo candy-ass out here and contribute to this game or The Locke's going to lay the smackdown on you so damn hard you're not ever gonna get up.

Vote: DocPotter

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke says he can clarify this situation. The Locke believes that Zazie is saying this: Iecerint thought that scum had alternative restrictions (actually, he said none at all, but the point remains the same). Zazie does not see Iecerint, DP or Zazie's restrictions in the list of submitted restrictions. It follows that were any of the players in this game to be scum fake-claiming restrictions, they are likely to be among those who have restrictions which were not submitted. Zazie doubts the sincerity of Iecy's original statement given that he apparently now shows no interest in this fact. Does The Locke have that correct?

esurio: The Locke wants to know why you made that softclaim because The Locke does not see any need for that.

As for the matter of Pome, The Locke's concerns are more that Deer's results imply an anti-town alignment and that currently the role does not make complete sense, which makes The Locke think we are either not being told something or we are being lied to completely. The Locke would not be quite so dubious if it were not for the presence of both the SK and the bounty hunter, which massively complicate the alleged affects of Pome's role. The more The Locke thinks about it, the more The Locke thinks that this role does not fit in with The Locke's current knowledge of the game.

[Locke Lamora]

To Iecy, The Locke says this: Zazie's 'weird musing' was down to the fact that you did not seem to be taking any interest in this development, contrary to your earlier thinking. The Locke says that while DP did throw a spanner in the works somewhat, it's not as though someone could have later changed their restriction to fit what was claimed by another player. The Locke does not see how you now dismiss Zazie's concern as having no point. Your early point has no point. Zazie's point is still firmly intact.

Mod: can The Locke get a People's Prod on DP? It's been a week since he posted.

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke thinks that you have valid reasons for not pursuing the suspicions, but The Locke does not understand why you declared Zazie's line of questioning to have no point. The Locke does not believe you ever clearly stated that you had altogether abandoned this thinking until The Locke clarified what he believed Zazie's question to be. The Locke says you have also added to your answer in quite a short space of time - you only mentioned the DP reason the first time around but now you add the lack of enforcement. The Locke thinks this was thus a perfectly valid topic for Zazie to be curious about and The Locke does not understand why it received a dismissal of 'no point'.

[Locke Lamora]

So you'd say you didn't leave other players with the impression that you'd be concerned if 3 players, or indeed any players, had PRs that were not submitted?

The Mod: The Locke says you must be the most electrifying mod in mafia entertainment!

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke thinks that clears that up (or not). The Locke is just going to have to decide whether to believe Pome or not based on her scumhunting. So, Pome, The Locke is setting everything aside for now. No role questions, no setup confusion, The Locke just wants to know your suspects, plain and simple.

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke can stand the suspense for a limited amount of time. The Locke is not surprised by the DP suspicion; The Locke is, however, interested by your SC suspicion. Do you think SC's contributions earlier in the game were pro-town? The Locke would also like to know your view of Deer and how he has responded to this situation with his results.

[Locke Lamora]

esurio: The Locke thinks he translated to a reasonable level of comprehension. Zazie does not appear to have disagreed with The Locke's interpretation, so The Locke thinks he was more or less accurate in describing Zazie's objections. The Locke can see Zazie's point but at this stage The Locke thinks the debate has got so confusing for most of the players that he does not consider it worth continuing.

The Locke says he does not understand your reads on Pome or Deer. The Locke would like to know why you still think they are both town; is it largely gut, setup speculation, or do you think their candy asses have contributed something that gives you a pro-town read? You are quick to defend Pome but have nothing much to say in her favour, while the only good thing you seem to have to say about Deer is that you probably believe his claim. The Locke is going to assume you refuse to answer his question about that softclaim.

The Locke agrees, Scurvy Jabroni. The Locke has found himself having to read both Zazie and Iecy's posts several times in this latest exchange.

Pomegranate is dramatically failing to convince The Locke that she should not be lynched.

[Locke Lamora]

Pome has now exhausted The Locke's patience. Clearly not interested in providing genuine input and The Locke says there is no way, and the Locke means no way, that those feeble contributions do anything to make The Locke think Pome is pro-town. The Locke's taking Pome for a walk down Know Your Role Boulevard, along Jabroni Drive and all the way into the Smackdown Hotel.

Unvote; Vote: Pomegranate

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke says yes, he believes that is back at L-1. Nobody else unvoted Pome. The Locke endorses the hammer but he would like some answers from esurio and The Locke also wants to know what SV thinks of SC.

[Locke Lamora]

esurio: The Locke would be more concerned if you had suddenly decided to go along with everyone else after The Locke's prompting. The Locke just wanted to know if you were basing it on anything specific. The Locke assumes you are still planning to dispose of DP's replacement if their candy ass does not bring some satisfactory content.

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke says he will be posting in detail later. The Locke has been unable to use the internet over the weekend.

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke says some content from Rewq before any hammer is a good idea, given that Deer's candy ass gave us nothing but a steaming pile of monkey crap ever since he made his claim. The Locke would like to know if Rewq shares his predecessor's views on Pome's role and also what he makes of the exchange between Zazie and Iecerint.

Scurvy Jabroni, The Locke wants to know whether you believe Deer's results or not.

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke says he does not understand the point of rewq's claim. Why tell everyone Iecy is a strong power role who will definitely get NKed and then refuse to say what items he got?

The Locke is developing a theory and would like Snow White's candy ass to claim next.

[Locke Lamora]

To Snow White, The Locke says this: Iecy, Zazie and Rewq all support claiming, unless The Locke has misinterpreted anyone. Also, The Locke would like clarification: are you saying that Doc Jabroni spent all that time posting very short posts when he could have done what you just did?

[Locke Lamora]

Mayor, not what The Locke was expecting.

The Locke will now reveal why he was interested; The Locke is a private investigator. The Locke is able to investigate a player each night and find out something about their life. Last night, The Locke investigated Snow White and was told that it says "M.D." on her numberplate and she has spent a lot of time at the hospital. The Locke was expecting this meant doctor, but with SC's flip The Locke realised that something strange was going on. Town Leader does not sound like a role that would give those results and as Snow has not claimed any medical flavour for the role, The Locke is thinking that either Snow is lying or The Locke is not sane. The only other scenario The Locke can think of is that there is a redirector role and someone redirected his action to SC, but The Locke does not think this is the case as he investigated Zang N1 and got no results. The Locke therefore assumed he does not get results if a player dies.

The Locke says he thinks it is possible that scum have some kind of investigation immunity that makes them show up as a particular role under investigation, which was ruined when SC flipped doctor and so Snow was forced to claim something else.

Snow, any explanation before The Locke takes your claim, shines it up real good, turns it sideways and sticks it straight up your candy ass?

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke says that Snow White has completely misunderstood several parts of The Locke's last post. Firstly, The Locke does not think he would have been redirected both nights. The Locke targeted Zang N1. Zang died, The Locke got nothing from The Mod. The Locke targeted Snow N2 and got information suggesting a doctor. The Locke believes that if his action had been redirected to SC, he would have got no results again. The Locke potentially could have been blocked N1 and redirected N2, but The Locke finds this rather far-fetched.

As for The Locke's reasoning about false investigations, there are obviously two rolecop variations in this game. A simple innocent or guilty is not going to work here, so The Locke suspects that if scum were to have any investigation immunity, it would be in the form of appearing to be a particular role. Alternatively, it has occurred to The Locke that mafia doctor is a possible role and with SC's flip, it would be far more incriminating for Snow to claim a second doctor role.

Also, The Locke would like to know why Snow is so eager to believe Rewq is town. The Locke would also like to know if Rewq got any other items.

Zazie, claim?

[Locke Lamora]

Snow Whine, The Locke says he has damn good reason to think you're eager to believe the claim:

Badge? Thats pretty good. Im not going to argue that then. 2more or less confirmed innocents. Im good with them both living through tonight.

As for the matter of breadcrumbs, there is no way, and The Locke means no way, that The Locke thinks Doc Jabroni would have bothered leaving crumbs when he could barely manage to get himself to post most of the game. Putting The Locke's results aside for a moment, The Locke thinks you're scummy because DP managed one post where he actually put forward some solid opinions and took a stance by voting Pittbunny. Other than that, it's been PR speculation, fluff and a total lack of effort to scumhunt in any way, shape or form. The Locke then investigated your slot and got entirely different information from what you're claiming your role is, so perhaps you can tell The Locke if there are any good reasons not to think you're scum?

Zazie, The Locke does not understand what your inventions do. Have neither of them had an effect because both Zang and SC are dead?

The Locke thinks a Snow White-Rewq team is by far the most likely, especially given all the claims.

[Locke Lamora]

Rewq, The Locke hopes you don't expect him to actually take that monkey crap WIFOM and give you town points. The Locke would like to know who your top two suspects are and why, as you are not currently displaying any interest in finding the remaining scum.

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke asked The Mod to confirm that he targeted Snow last night and The Mod would only confirm that was the target he received. He would not confirm that The Locke's result was actually on Snow White. The Locke therefore thinks that there is a definite possibility The Locke got redirected. Either that, or The Mod is screwing with The Locke. Both Rewq and Iecy's roles appear to be legitimate, so The Locke has to assume that a redirector would be either Snow or Zazie. Even if The Locke was redirected to SC, that still leaves the question of why The Locke got a result on a dead player N2 and not N1. If Iecy's info is correct, The Locke must be sane, although The Locke does not know what kind of bizarre rolecop would produce a doctor result on a mayor/doublevoter anyway.

Rewq, The Locke does not understand why it's taking you so long to name your suspects if you believe Iecy is town. Do you think Iecy is an insane cop? The Locke thinks if he was town-Rewq who believed Iecy was town, he would be thinking that Snow White and The Locke were scum together.

[Locke Lamora]

Reading back, The Locke is definitely thinking Iecy is town because of this:

B1. B/I B/didn't B/know B/DP B/was B/being B/replaced.

Yarrr.

Lemme intraduce ye t' me

favorite

pet theory (aside from me parrot, o' course):

Scum be skimmin'.


Perhaps ye'll be our Tomorrow lynch?

C/So...C/if C/that C/was C/your C/pet C/theory, C/why C/did C/you C/wait C/until C/after C/Pom's C/lynch C/to C/bring C/it C/up? C/Lord C/knows C/you C/had C/ages.

Scurvy Jabroni attempts to set up Iecy for today's lynch, knowing that Pome is going to flip town. The Locke does not think Iecy's response is likely to be that of a scumbuddy, it reads suspicious town to The Locke. The Locke also thinks SV's attempt to jump on Iecy for posting without content makes it even more likely that SV and Iecy are not scum together. The Locke also sees that SV stays on the fence about Deer's claim for the whole day; even in the post where SV votes for Deer to put him at L-1, he claims that he talked about his suspicion of Deer earlier, but there is none. SV then instantly unvotes after the claim and never really addresses his claim or his play for the rest of the day, keeping his options open when The Locke asks him about it:

I be rather on th' fence about Deer; I be still nay entirely convinced about that Miller thin'.

The Locke sees SV's attitude towards Deer as that of a scumbuddy keen to distance but doing his best not to lynch his buddy, keeping his options open if he has to bus again in the future. The Locke says all signs point towards Rewq going for a trip down Know Your Role Boulevard and checking into the Smackdown Hotel. The Locke thinks that Rewq's reaction to his own information does not read like that of a townie, compounding his scumminess.

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke received no PM whatsoever. The Locke has asked The Mod if the reason he got no PM was because he targeted a dead player but has not received a response yet.

The Locke would like to know where in the blue hell Snow White has got to.

The Mod: can The Locke get a People's Prod on Snow White?

[Locke Lamora]

The Mod has confirmed that yes, The Locke got no PM because he targeted a dead player.

Rewq: you think Iecy is a godfather now? What happened to your strong town stance?

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke says that he thinks this game is quite swingy (bomb, serial killer, role that swaps with other roles etc.). The Locke is therefore not convinced that balance would exclude all three from being town, particularly if The Locke's role does not do what it is supposed to do. The Locke thinks that trying to outguess The Mod in this situation is not going to go well.

Having said that, The Locke still thinks that Rewq-Snow is by far the likeliest team and has not seen anything from either to convince him that he shouldn't lay the smackdown on both their candy asses.

[Locke Lamora]

To Zazie, The Locke says this: The Locke does not really see the Iecy/SV interactions as likely bussing. The Locke grants that it is plausible, but The Locke thinks particularly in the post-lynch situation, it is more likely that SV was trying to set up Iecy for today's lynch after he dropped the hammer on town-Pome. To The Locke, it seems too tentative to be a real effort at distancing or bussing and Iecy's reaction seems to be more that of town getting suspicious that SV has suddenly changed his tune. The Locke is waiting for a response from The Mod on the subject of if he can have an N1 result.

[Locke Lamora]

The Mod has told The Locke that he would have discovered that Zang carries a carving knife and a syringe and spends his evenings watching Dexter.

The Locke has realised something very important; if Snow White was a mafia doublevoter and scumbuddies with Rewq (or anyone, for that matter), the game would already be over because scum would have been able to lynch whoever they chose straight away. Snow's doublevote has already been confirmed, meaning that the only way Snow could be scum is if she was scum by herself. Now, following on this, The Locke finds it unlikely that Zazie and Iecy are scum together, barring one of the most extensive distancing attempts The Locke has ever seen. The Locke is therefore confident that if there are two scum left, Rewq is scum with either Zazie or Iecy. The Locke says a Rewq lynch is therefore the best way to proceed.

Vote: Rewq

[Locke Lamora]

To Rewq, The Locke says this: what makes you think The Locke or Snow White would have believed you in possible LyLo? Zazie would have got behind an Iecy lynch, no doubt, but then Zazie is behind the Iecy lynch anyway, regardless of your result. The Locke was always dubious about your result and a pro-town player got lynched based on items Deer found that looked scummy. You could have claimed a pro-town result on Iecy to buddy up to him and try to convince him you are town, you might be scumbuddies with Iecy, you might have just thought it was best to tell the truth and hope people believe you're a town role. You might have done it just so you could come out and say "but Locke, I wouldn't do that if I were scum!" There are plenty of possibilities that The Locke sees and by eliminating Snow White from the equation, The Locke is left with you as by far the most likely buddy for either Iecy or Zazie. The fact that you haven't been hammered gives The Locke even more confidence that this wagon is on scum, as Iecy and Zazie cannot be scum together.

Iecy: yes, The Locke targeted Zang N1. The Locke assumes that under normal conditions, The Locke receives results on the player he targets. The Locke believes that if Snow White is town, he must have been redirected, most likely by something Zazie did, as all the other roles are apparently accounted for. That could be one of Zazie's inventions or, if Zazie is lying, then Zazie has some kind of redirector role. The only other possibility The Locke sees is that Snow is scum and has some kind of strange rolecop investigation immunity, but that will have to be dealt with tomorrow.

[Locke Lamora]

Are you asking who Dexter is? The Locke says Dexter is a serial killer, who usually sedates his victims using a syringe and then cuts them up into pieces.

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke believes the claims are thus:

The Locke - private investigator
Rewq - thief
Iecy - cop
Zazie - inventor
Snow White - mayor/doublevoter

To Rewq, The Locke says this: know your role and read the thread. Iecy quite clearly stated what the target and the outcome of his night action was, so The Locke cannot understand why you need to ask him again.

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke says this is ridiculous. Can someone either hammer Rewq or tell The Locke why he shouldn't be lynched and vote for someone else? If Snow White is not returning then hopefully The Mod will be replacing her soon but that's no excuse for posting nothing in the meantime.

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke says Snow White has been on MS and even posted as recently as this Monday. She clearly has absolutely no interest whatsoever in this game. The Locke would like to lay the smackdown on her candy ass if she ever gets back in here. The Locke also wants to state that deadline is tomorrow, so unless there's a replacement and an extension, some voting needs to get done.

The Mod: has Snow White picked up her prod? Will she be replaced or is she returning?

[Locke Lamora]

Rewq: are there no other clues than it would "somehow help" you? The Locke is wondering how much of this game is just The Mod screwing with us. The Locke is guessing that your reaction to the hammer means you're not scum.

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke says Zazie voted you prior to V/LA. That was already L-1, well over a week ago. Iecy voted you this week, unless The Locke is missing something.

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke did raise an eyebrow at Deer's claim, yes. The Locke was always dubious of Deer being a pro-town thief with The Locke having similar investigative powers, as well as of Iecy's insistence that Deer's results indicated he was a pro-town thief. However, the alleged mechanics of Pome's role, the miller claim and the information that suggested insanity made The Locke wary of the setup, hence The Locke proceeded with caution in an effort not to out his role unnecessarily.

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke says he investigated Zazie, and was told that his target sneaks around at night and carries a bag with a dollar sign on it. This seems to be indicative of Rewq's ability, not Zazie's. The Locke is now even more confused than he was previously.

Rewq: The Locke says the Coppola series refers to the Godfather. The smoking gun seems fairly self-explanatory. The megaphone must be from Zazie. The Locke wants to know if your results state your target's name or not.

Iecy: The Locke does not comprehend your choice of target; if Tazaro was scum, why would he have stopped the lynch? It would have been an auto-win if scum-Tazaro had let town-Rewq get lynched. What's the point of claiming that you didn't kill Tazaro either? Why would a cop kill their investigation target?

[Locke Lamora]

Actually, Iecy, The Locke wants to know if your results state your target's name too.

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke changed his mind about a Snow-Rewq team when The Locke realised that a double-voting mafia Snow could not have a partner, or we'd have lost. You do know that even if Rewq had been Taz's buddy, Taz still could have let the lynch go through, NKed and then won with a double-vote anyway?

[Locke Lamora]

Yes I have a doublevote

If I'm first

. That it became one when I ended up first actually surprised me. From the way the role was given to me I thought I would have to place the first vote not end up there.

The Mayor claim didn't come until massclaim and Snow had replaced DP. The doublevote was out there way in advance, but Snow did also mention it. The Locke would have thought that upon seeing Taz prevent the lynch, you would have realised the ability was legitimate as there was plenty of evidence to suggest she had the role she claimed last night. The Locke also notes that you said this in response to The Locke's reasoning about Snow's doublevote:

N/Grimmy N/kept N/Fables N/Grimmafia N/going N/when N/it N/was N/1-1-2 N/Town-Survivor-Mafia. N/So N/it N/may N/be N/an N/odd N/notion N/of N/his.

N/I'm N/happy N/that N/apparent N/inconsistency N/has N/been N/cleared N/up. N/BUT -- N/LL, N/who N/did N/you N/target N1? N/Z? N/Does N/that N/mean N/that N/you N/got N/the N/doctor N/result N/on N/SW, N/so N/you N/were N/redirected N/or N/something N/if N/she's N/town?

N/I N/think N/rewq N/is N/probably N/the N/way N/to N/go. N/Will N/vote N/later; N/I'm N/late N/for N/something.

The Locke is waiting for Rewq to confirm his suspicions about something, but The Locke is finding your claimed thought process increasingly hard to believe.

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke says there is no situation in which Taz-scum would not have won yesterday. Consider the possibilities:

Taz and Rewq are scumbuddies. Taz saves Rewq, then kills one of Zazie, Iecy or The Locke. 2 scum, 2 town. Game over.
Taz is scum and Rewq is town. Taz lets Rewq die, kills one of Zazie, Iecy or The Locke and doublevotes one of the remaining two. Game over.

Taz-scum would not have protected Rewq-town. A Taz-Rewq scumteam would have won with the nightkill.

Any two-man scumteam would have won with the nightkill

. Do you honestly expect The Locke to believe that you completely forgot everything that you exhibited knowledge of previously and investigated Taz, thinking he could still be scum with Rewq?

[Locke Lamora]

Do you think there's a survivor or something else third-party in play, or do you think that Grimmy is just going to let the game keep running until one side has completely eliminated the other? As far as The Locke can see, there would be absolutely no reason not to give a two-man scumteam the win right now. Furthermore, both Rewq and Zazie's roles seem to be legit; unless you think they're scum together and Rewq's just made that item up.

[Locke Lamora]

In Fables, did Grimmy let the game keep going to see if the Survivor would win or not? The Locke would think whether or not the game should have continued in that situation depends on the wording of the Survivor's win condition. In any case, given that the SK is dead and that both CC and esurio have already fulfilled additional win conditions, The Locke says it is unlikely that there is another third-party role out there. That said, The Locke has no idea what in the blue hell is going on in this game. The Locke was operating under the assumption that if there were two scum, the game would have ended when day began, so unless Zazie and Rewq are just wasting The Locke's time, The Locke is going to assume that there is only one scum. Putting whether or not you genuinely did think investigating Tazaro was a good idea aside, The Locke wants to know who your top suspect is now.

Zazie: The Locke wants to know if you gave your invention to Rewq, and if you still think Iecy is scum.

[Locke Lamora]

The Mod: The Locke is going V/LA for about a week, as indicated in his sig. The Locke may be able to get internet access in that time but it's by no means certain.

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke is back and should be catching up and posting by tomorrow.

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke will attempt to deal with everything as quickly as possible. The Locke has been battling with these baffling night actions but The Locke thinks he has come to the only possible conclusion.

First of all, in response to Zazie's query about the difference between the Zang result and The Locke's other results, The Locke believes that The Mod told him what result he would have received if Zang had been the subject of the investigation, hence he included Zang's name. When The Locke has actually received results, The Locke was not been told a player's name when he received the information. Rewq has confirmed that this is also the case for himself, reinforcing the idea that night action targets can differ from those chosen by the player, which was already indicated by Pittbunny's flip. Given that The Locke again failed to get a result on his chosen target, his best guess is that his ability is a twist on insanity, in that The Locke's choice of target is actually random. The Locke also believes that he receives a result on a dead player if he targets someone who is alive, but not vice versa. This would explain a StrangerCoug result on targeting Snow and the lack of a result when targeting Zang.

As for Rewq's result, The Locke again is thinking redirection, but this time deliberate. Given that Zazie's ability has been verified and Rewq's has already been confirmed, plus the fact that The Locke does not see scum-Rewq killing Tazaro, The Locke concludes that Iecy must be scum. The Locke was Rewq's obvious investigation target yesterday, so he thinks that Iecy switched himself and The Locke in some way. The Locke is not too sure on the badge result but believes it must be connected to the Godfather ability in some way; perhaps Iecy is only one-shot investigation immune or something along those lines. Iecy's night actions are also completely unverifiable and the fact that he claims his target's name was included in results makes The Locke think he is fakeclaiming. The Tazaro kill has further discredited The Locke's investigation abilities so to The Locke it feels like he has been wrapped up neatly by the night actions in a scum set-up.

Vote: Iecerint

The Locke should have plenty more time this evening so there should not be such a delay if there are any more questions.

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke doesn't think the doctor result has anything to do with you. The Locke thinks the doctor result was from SC and The Locke received it because it randomised after he happened to target a living player, Snow, instead of the lack of result he received when he targeted Zang. Either that or The Locke's random ability ended up targeting CC N1 and the no result happened that way.

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke does not think Zazie is Godfather-Inventor-Redirector/Bus-Driver. Zazie clearly did give the item to Rewq last night, so unless he can somehow perform three night actions and redirect too, or a megaphone somehow redirected Rewq to Zazie, he's not scum. The Locke says both of those are fairly ridiculous. The Locke does not think that there are two scum either. The Locke could see scum being allowed to kill and perform a second night action in a 2-scum situation when one scum was dead, which is what The Locke thinks happened last night.

Rewq: why did you guess that the megaphone gave you a second vote? Was there any indication of that when you received it?

[Locke Lamora]

The only other plausible scenario The Locke sees is that Rewq is scum and has simply made up his result on The Locke to suggest a godfather, possibly because he himself is one (which I guess would explain why he wouldn't worry about the existence of a cop). The Locke finds this fabrication unlikely as Rewq seemed to be unaware of what his result meant, unless that was all for show. As stated previously, Tazaro's death also made The Locke doubt that Rewq was scum, although The Locke is WIFOMing himself to blue hell with that one. Hmmm.

Unvote

The question here is, how genuine is this?:

I robbed LL

.

I found a gun that is still smoking and

some movies from the Coppola series.

Will wiki later

. I also received a megaphone. I'm not sure why or what it does. Perhaps it gives me a 2x vote?

[Locke Lamora]

Iecy, how does Rewq voting now confirm himself as town? The Locke says it's three to lynch, so Rewq voting for The Locke or yourself would only have been L-1.

[Locke Lamora]

To Rewq, The Locke says this: The Locke was either swapped with Iecy last night, you were redirected or you're making your result up. The Locke knows redirection is possible in this game because that is what Pitt's claimed role, confirmed via his flip, did. As for no-one complaining about redirection before, The Locke clearly had a result yesterday that contrasted with what Snow's actual role was and The Mod's ambiguous response on clarifying the target indicates that alternative targets to those chosen are still a possibility. The Locke does not know what happened the rest of the nights and, if there was redirection of some kind, whether scum used it anyway. The remaining scum being a godfather technically puts Zazie back in as possible scum if Iecy's result is accurate, but The Locke thinks your receipt of the item practically rules that possibility out.

Up until today, The Locke thought Rewq was most likely scum, but the choice of NK and Rewq's actions today don't seem to make sense if he is scum. Iecy's role is only verifiable by the badge result and as such has The Locke wariest about his potential to be lying, particularly as the remaining scum appears to be a godfather.

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke will agree to a no lynch, but only if Rewq doublevotes for it. The Locke is not sure enough of anything at this stage to rule either of you out and The Locke is not taking the chance that scum-Rewq could carry a doublevote over into tomorrow. That said, The Locke agrees with Iecy that any investigation results are likely to be ambiguous at best, compounded by The Locke's own investigations appearing to be random. The only way The Locke can see that being beneficial is if he manages to randomly receive a result that fits with Rewq's godfather result, which would virtually confirm Iecy as scum. The Locke is trying to work out if there's any possible system for determining the result or other mechanism at work but he has not seen any pattern thus far.

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke agrees. This way, there won't be a possible doublevoting scum and there may be something useful to come out of the night actions, even if it does come down to The Locke randomly getting some new information.

Vote: No Lynch

[Locke Lamora]

A godfather result followed by a guilty? It certainly seems like something absurd is at work to The Locke. The Locke thinks this is far more easily explained by you lying than it is by Zazie being some kind of almighty scum inventor. Adding in the no target part just looks like you trying to lend credence to a fake result. The Locke thinks you decided you had more certainty of getting The Locke's lynch by coming up with the guilty on The Locke and pushing the idea of BP-GF over investigation-immune. The Locke also sees scum-caution in your unwillingness to vote.

Vote: Iecerint

The Locke investigated Rewq and got nothing, of course.

[Locke Lamora]

1. The Locke doesn't think you forgot about the GF result. The Locke thinks you decided you could effectively put a double guilty in play by suggesting that The Locke was some other kind of GF. Despite the fact you were expecting an innocent when investigating The Locke, the guilty has still led you to the conclusion that I'm GF. Also, your last sentence is an excellent point. Rewq's flip was clearly designed to make The Locke look worse.

2. The scum motivation is plausibility, and leaving your options open. Both The Locke and Rewq told you they weren't getting their targets listed. Now you come out and declare that you have experienced the same thing. The Locke does not understand why town-Iecy would throw that out there unless it was to support his claim. It also leaves enough doubt about the result in that if The Locke did have any inclination to vote Zazie, you wouldn't have committed yourself fully to voting for The Locke.

3. The Locke has recently seen scum in LyLo FoSing instead of voting. The lack of vote despite your apparent wealth of information pointing to scum-Locke implies cognitive dissonance. You know The Locke is not scum but you have to act like you have a guilty result on him. The certainty of your case is conflicted with your knowledge that you're scum and your desire to not make a mistake in case it gives you away.

4. The Locke has not forgotten Rewq's Cop result from ages ago. The Locke suspects that either a) your investigation-immunity was good for one shot and returned a badge result or b) The Locke carries a badge himself and you swapped yourself with The Locke again. The Locke is not convinced about b) as flavour for his own role, but it would make sense for consistency for you to keep swapping yourself with The Locke.

Incidentally, has Zazie been on site since declaring V/LA? The Locke finds that his last post was August 26th.

The Mod: can The Locke get a prod/replacement on Zazie?

[Locke Lamora]

So what do you think, that The Locke is BP Godfather-Investigator?

[Locke Lamora]

And you think The Locke's motivation for claiming that his investigation results have been on different targets to those he chose is what, exactly?

[Locke Lamora]

So you're saying The Locke planned to claim a variation on thief when Rewq had already claimed thief, then made up his random results, adding in the fake interest on Snow White at the start of D3 to match with The Locke's fabricated doctor result on her. Not only that, but you presumably must be saying that The Locke simply made up the no target part of his results, which then coincidentally matched with Rewq's investigation results. Does The Locke have that all correct?

[Locke Lamora]

So now you think The Locke is some kind of investigative role as well as godfather?

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke is twisting shit around? The Locke has had both godfather and guilty results on him over the last two days, which The Locke thinks is about as twisted as it gets. To put what you're claiming into perspective, this is how the game would play out from Scum-Locke's point of view: The Locke loses his partner on N2 and, despite knowing he has to survive to endgame by himself, half CCs Rewq and comes up with a completely random result on Snow White, then pushes for a lynch on both of those players, either of whose flips would obviously discredit himself further, kills the person he knew he had a fictional result on the next night, leaving both the claimed cop and thief alive, the claimed cop for two nights, despite knowing that he is not investigation-immune and would thus come up guilty. The Locke thinks the claims and actions of this game make a whole lot more sense from scum-Iecy's perspective.

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke is not saying it's impossible to have a non investigation-immune GF. The Locke is just pointing out the implausibility of events panning out like this if The Locke was scum.

As for the Zazie thing, it's just massive WIFOM territory. You might have left Zazie alive to avoid implicating yourself, you might have decided there were better targets to get rid of to implicate The Locke, you might simply have wanted certain players out of the game. You had no concerns about being investigated because you knew there wasn't a full cop in the game, and once Rewq had the badge result on you, you knew The Locke wasn't going to investigate you. After massclaim you were sitting pretty and were free to pursue whatever course of action was best for winning the game, which you have clearly decided was best achieved by setting up The Locke.

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke's point is that The Locke's play makes no sense if The Locke is scum but not investigation-immune. There are absolutes, such as a sane cop investigation, and there are much more variable factors, such as the opinion of a particular player. Your logic argues that scum-Locke repeatedly passed up the chance to kill investigative roles who could get clear guilty results on him in favour of setting you up as scum, thus ignoring the absolutes and relying on unpredictable variables.

That's a completely invalid point in the context of the game around massclaim. Prior to massclaim, you had no idea that The Locke even had results. After massclaim, you had everyone believing you were cop and you still had no idea that The Locke's results were unreliable, unless you had something to do with it, which seems very unlikely.

Zazie or a replacement is sorely needed here to stop us arguing about this for three weeks. Judging by Zazie's prolonged absence, a replacement definitely looks like the better bet.

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke has PMed MeMe on the off-chance The Mod left some details about the game so that someone else could quickly fill in. He hadn't done so last time, but The Locke holds some faint hope that he might have this time, knowing that his access would be restricted.

[Locke Lamora]

You are the last scum-jabroni, right? It's not Zazie?

[Locke Lamora]

The Locke says he just laid the smackdown on aaaaaaall your candy asses!

Seriously, The Locke cannot believe he just won this one (it's kind of hard to stop talking like this). The Locke has been talking to himself here, you may find the musings of the Great One entertaining: http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/vmpitxccnnUT. The Locke's underlying plan was basically to discredit the night actions so far that nothing could be trusted in the game, which all seemed to work out in the end. The Locke still does not know what happened with his Snow White investigation.

Zazie, why did you hammer Iecy?

And finally:

If ya smelllllllllll...

...what The Locke...

...is...

...cooking!

[Locke Lamora]

Join the club. When you claimed that result I decided that I had to take the redirection angle and act like there was no way it could actually have been on me.

Thanks to my partner SV, was good playing with you, in hindsight (as you can see from the QT) I thought that if we'd put a bit more thought into Esurio's claim then you could have stuck around longer and things would have been a lot easier! Credit to Esurio though, it was a good softclaim to attract our attention.

I'd like to thank Grimmy as well, I know he had a lot of access issues but I really enjoyed the opportunity to be The Locke and all his modding was entertaining, especially the final scene. Hopefully he'll be back to play in my WWF game.

[Locke Lamora]

No, I lost my investigation-immunity when I made a kill. SV did it N1 and N2 (hence the bomb death) and I was hoping it was going to last for N3 because I hadn't made a kill prior to that night and that you'd investigate me then. I genuinely had the rolecop ability so I still don't know why I got that doctor result on Snow; that was legit. My other 'result' on Zazie was made up.

[Locke Lamora]

Thanks. I thought I did quite well at avoiding suspicion based on my play, but I thought the night actions were going to catch up with me eventually and I don't think we made great NK choices on the whole. I enjoyed the back-and-forth between us. You can see from my QT that I was thinking about having a me-you-Zazie endgame for ages because I thought I could get Zazie to vote you. Tazaro's crazy lynch-block on Rewq meant I had to do a lot more work than I was expecting.

[Locke Lamora]

Yeah, you were spot on there. Of course, by that point, it didn't matter, I only had to convince Zazie

Taz didn't post; replaced Snow White and instantly decided to prevent the Rewq lynch from going through. I decided I didn't want the double vote floating around, nor did I want an unpredictable element in the game. That part where I made it sound ridiculous that I'd avoid killing investigative roles in order to set up the right endgame? That was exactly what I planned for ages.

[Locke Lamora]

Haha yeah, it felt kind of ridiculous saying it. It was always going to be absurd, though; you knew I was guilty and that I was a godfather. I had a night action I couldn't explain and I also had to explain away two guilties that weren't true, all while maintaining a technically possible thread of night actions. I don't think I've ever argued with someone who I knew was absolutely sure I'm scum before. It was quite a weird experience.

[Locke Lamora]

It would have been quite epic if you'd investigated both scum on the first two nights and caught neither.

[Locke Lamora]

You didn't know I was British either? I would have thought the posting hours would give it away. Obviously I give off an American vibe.

Esurio: was your wincon to take out scum, then?