Mini 969 - Smalltown: Stardust Mafia (Game Over)

[Zang]

I'm #4!

[Zang]

I counted twelve roles for twelve players.

[Zang]

No, I originally counted twelve but I just saw this a few hours ago so it might have changed before I saw it.

[Zang]

The best number is 42!

[Zang]

I want Fredy the fence, Networker

[Zang]

I wonder if anyone with a choice will actually draft Bernie.

I mean, if you think about it, vanilla is probably the most likely to survive to endgame, whether they are town, scum, or SK.

there are two flaws with this-

1.The last person wouldn't count because he's forced to take it.
2.Now that you have announced it somebody will take Bernie, hoping to survive.

[Zang]

Here's my voice: Screw you all.

And here's my vote:

Vote: Zang

Because i should have done that a long time ago.

Vote:tottalynotmafia

for being last on the list.

[Zang]

Who wants to be networked tonight?

[Zang]

He gets a hot blonde chick and I get a goat. Wow.

I got a fence!

(but it's an awesome fence)

[Zang]

If the tracker lacks a better target they should follow the bodyguard. If the bodyguard is scum they will be tempted to go nowhere. The threat of them being tracked may force them to go somewhere, and possibly be killed.

Hmmm.

If I understand correctly, the Bodyguard is not a bus driver, so his chances of dying are doubled if he protects someone, right? i.e., he could die if someone kills him OR the person he chose to protect?

This idea could make sense, since there is disincentive for a scum Bodyguard to use their ability.

I disagree. If the mafia had the bodyguard, and he didn't use his powers he would essentially be a goon. As a goon he would be less important to protect and so he should use his powers on his team because they have more important roles.

Does that make sence?

[Zang]

Ok

[Zang]

I think this Jack and magna thing is Town vs Town. I see nothing wrong with magna needing to look back and announcing it isn't really that bad.

I'm liking Jack's case on Magna at the moment. Even if Magna is telling the truth in post 98, the Billy the Goat role PM specifically refers to the SK as "Septimus" and not "Lord Septimus". The "lord" part is only mentioned in the setup section, but Magna only said he looked at the role PM for information.

So he called him lord septimus, that's what he is called in the movie and if he recently saw it then he would be thinking about what he was called in the movie rather than what he's called in this game.

[Zang]

How can I know him if he is being accused of being a SK?

And I think it's Town vs town because tbhe argument against magna is weak and I see Jack as more of a misguided townie than a scumbag.

[Zang]

Also

Unvote

[Zang]

Why?

[Zang]

How can I know him if he is being accused of being a SK?

I don't understand what you're saying here.

And I think it's Town vs town because tbhe argument against magna is weak and I see Jack as more of a misguided townie than a scumbag.

Ok, I don't buy that you actually think this, but who are you suspicious of then, if you've already ruled out two people?

Charlie, most of your posts are complaining about nothing happening. You're not making anything happen or doing any scumhunting.

1.He is being accused of being a SK correct? Well, then how am I supposed to know he is a SK?

2.I never said I rulled them out. I just don't think they are scummy because of what they are being accused of.


I will respond to the other posts directed at me when I have more time.

[Zang]

Calling something town vs town is generally something I think is bad, unless you've got really good reads on the players. here Zang calls it that, and doesn't really provide any reason why. I think I expressed my willingness to vote him shortly after here.

Why Is calling something town vs town scummy?

He thinks it's town versus town because...the argument is weak. Okay, he can gets Jack town from this, I don't agree but I guess it's not beyond reasonable. 
He thinks Magna is town..why? Because there's a weak case being pushed against him. yer, not buying it at all. If Jack is town pushing a weak case why does it automatically have to be on town, and not scum? Why do you think Magna is town?

Once again, I never said either jack or magna is town. I just don't think they are scum/SK/whatever because of the arguments currently against them.

First of all, how does magna become town because there's a weak case on him?

Do you read? I already said this about 2 hours before your post-

2.I never said I rulled them out. I just don't think they are scummy because of what they are being accused of.

Second of all, could you please explain how you've concluded that Jack is "more of a misguided townie than a scumbag"? Basically, what specifically makes him misguided

I think he is misguided because I believe that he actually thinks that magna is a SK but I think he is rushing to conclusions.


I think I got everything directed speciffically at me. In my next post I'll explain what I think about RC and other recent events.

[Zang]

I didn't read 169. I don't read posts that gigantic and the tl;dr was unhelpful.

I don't like how RC is saying how anyone who doesn't agree with Peanutman is obvscum. RC is throwing accusations around like crazy looking for what will stick, is the impression I get from him. He's trying to find out who he can string up, not find scum.

Anyhow, Zang's recent backtracking I find to be a virtual confession of scum. Here's what he initially said.

I think this Jack and magna thing is Town vs Town.

then there's

Once again, I never said either jack or magna is town. I just don't think they are scum/SK/whatever because of the arguments currently against them.

That looks like a backtrack to me once a few people question him on his town v town comment. The second sentence is just weak, as well. Arguments leveled against someone isn't a reason to clear them.

My other scumspects are Jack and RC. Jack pushed that crap case on Magna, and hasn't said barely a word about Magna for a while, despite still voting him. Now he looks like he's just scooting by. Jack also doesn't think Zang is scummy, and I don't see how anyone can not find Zang scummy. RC for reasons previously mentioned.

I see what you mean but what else would you rather me call it "not scum vs not scum". And it's just a term, town vs town ussualy applies to when two people are fighting about something that makes neither of them scummy.

[Zang]

@ Zang 186: The definition of 'town vs town' isn't exactly up for negotiation. But if it means something else to you, why didn't you say so before? And most importantly: are you agreeing that you were backtracking?

I suppose it isn't. I didnt say it because I didn't think about and yes, if you want to call it that but we just got out of RVS so i thought it was obvious that you can't really call someone town that quick but it is true that I didn't think they were scum when I said it.

Sorry, I'm very busy lately. I will try to be more active.

[Zang]

Sorry,

I'm busy with real life issues.

I will go read and try to post something else soon.

[Zang]

I will be V/LA until Friday/Saturday

I don't know which day I will be back on.

[Zang]

I will be V/LA until Friday/Saturday

I don't know which day I will be back on.

How convenient. Now I know you're scum, too.

so, just because I'm going v/la means I'm scum? There is no possibility that their might be something in real life tearing me away from the computer?

[Zang]

There is no possibility that their might be something in real life tearing me away from the computer?

[Zang]

I'm going to come back two days before deadline. And if you want me to vote, I will vote.

Vote:ReaperCharlie

for not even considering that I will actually be V/LA and instead calling me "obvscum".

[Zang]

I'm going to come back two days before deadline. And if you want me to vote, I will vote.

Vote:ReaperCharlie

for not even considering that I will actually be V/LA and instead calling me "obvscum".

[Zang]

I networked Jack.

(we can also talk for the first 48 hours of today but I don't know If this is normal or because I got my action in late)

[Zang]

Ask Zang about the 2nd part. I figured you as scum when I saw the kill missed.

I confirm that he thought you were scum when he saw the kills.

[Zang]

totallynotmafia, havingfitz, CallMeLiam, Zang, GroupThink

Who are you most suspicious of? Why? Why are you not voting?

Groupthink, why did you not use your sensor last night?
Zang, why did you target Jack? Do you think Jack's quickhammer was protown?

Anyone who hasn't claimed, should claim. I don't remember if all our lurkers claimed.

Mod, can we get some prods?

It seems like only half the players are posting.

I am most suspicous of starbuck because I don't think Jack is lying about RC. I'll come back with a case on her later.

Jacks quickhammer has nothing to do with why I networked him. I networked him because he's probably the only one (besides maybe the lurkers) who doesn't think I'm obvscum.

[Zang]

Do you think the fact that Jack doesn't suspect you somehow makes him more likely to be town? I'm interested to see what case you come up with against Starbuck considering she's barely posted in the game so far.

No, although I do think he might be. Me thinking that he was town had little relation to me voting for him.

[Zang]

Well, she hasn't posted much so I'm going to be focusing on day 2.

I also didn't use any of my actions as I wasn't around to submit.

The plurality meaning since I have to choose two people in order for it to work.

I disagree. You do have to choose two people but their is only one action which affects both people.

 Jack, you can verify my role on the first page. 

There's no scumslip at all. 


You just are trying to jump at the first thing that looks scummy to you because you know you are in hot water. 

Vote: Jack

I don't know why your talking about verifying your role but it was a scumslip. Also this is OMGUS.


That's pretty much all she's said so far so 

Vote: Starbuck

Sorry for being late, the site was lagging terribly yesterday and I could barely get on.

I'll make another post about what else has happened today later tonight or tommorow.

[Zang]

Didn't use ability last night.

Using ability tonight

Is this all you have to say?

Also, why didn't you use your ability?

Why would Starbuck redirect magna to you? Listen up, scumboy. Starbucks voting history includes: charter, zang, then me. Why would she (knowing magna was a blocker) redirect him to block you, if she was VOTING FOR ME? That kind of implies that she WANTS ME DEAD. So what you're suggesting DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

Unless your her partner and she was just bussing you.

It would appear that you just got caught in your own lie (that you were going to kill me last night), and now you're trying to find any possible avenue to cover your arse.

Why would Jack not want to kill you? 

If he's town he has a vig power and if he's SK or scum he has an extra kill.

Why would he not use it?

I am not scum

Is this supposed to prove something?

Jack is obviously scum. Tries to invent a slip from Starbuck, lied about his choice of actions last night and is flailing badly today.

He didn't just invent it.-

That's an interesting possible slip from Starbuck, it's really only the one action so I don't know why she would pluralize it.

it was a scumslip.

Also, if your fine with a Jack lynch. Why aren't you voting?

I've been thinking about this but I'm not sure yet as to what the best way to go about it would be. There will be six people on the lynch and four people off, one of whom is the lynchee so that is effectively three off, so there will be a group of six and a group of three. Obviously, the people in the group of three will be more easily cleared/implicated from the sensor result, so then what is the best option - do we list who we think are the three scummiest (other than the lynchee) and have them not be part of the lynch, or do we just have the lurkers who it's harder to get a read on stay off the lynch? Or should we put somebody we think is most likely town in there as well in order to try and narrow things down? Or do we not bother about it and just chance a lucky result so that scum can't influence it? 

What does everybody think?

I think the lurkers should be on the wagon.

but I'm not going to be on it, if it is Jack.

I don't think Starbuck would fake V\LA for a week

And Starbuck was V/LA, so how could she have redirected you? (unless she was lying about being V/LA and lying again about not being around to use her actions?)

I did an iso on starbuck and I don't see her announcing a V/LA which continued through the night.

Also what are your thoughts about TNMs plan which I quoted above? It was your idea.

All this "there's no need to rush" crap is nonsense, Jack is caught, we lynch him, no need to pussyfoot. Especially if you're like Havingfitz and doing absolutely nothing in the thread other than weak defenses of Jack, but still clamoring for more time.

Are you really that ignorant to consider that Jack might have been roleblocked? Because he hadn't been caught.

Also I would like to hear what starbuck has to say before someone hammers. (if someone hammers)

FoS: ReaperCharlie
FoS:Charter

[Zang]

[quote="GroupThink"]Horrible hangover[/quotyouangi

Is this why you couldn't submit your night action or why your not posting anything?

[Zang]

Starbuck-

Pretty much instead of using the word "action" in Post 301, I should have used the word "targets" since I have more than one target for my action when I use it.

Not quite. This was your post-

I also didn't use any of my actions as I wasn't around to submit.

Targets would make no sence in place of actions.

You are not scum because you put actions instead of targets, you are scum because you put actions instead of action.

I love how so many people are quick to jump to the conclusion of me scumslipping. Most typical actions (doctor, roleblocker, etc) have one target. Mine has two.

This is what we have been saying

This is fishy. 

If you were town, you would network someone else who you feel is town. 
If you were scum, your scum buddy. 

This reasoning is enough for me to say that Jack and Zang are scumbuddies, and they probably don't even need that separate QT since they have the mafia one.

I do feel he is town but that is not why I networked him. 

And if I was scum, why wouldn't I use my ability?


Also, besides the scumslip, did you respond to any of the accusations against you? Or instead of trying to prove that you are town, you are trying to make jack look like scum?
 

[Zang]

Zang, you really just pulled apart that post to so that you could talk what I said and make it mean what you wanted it to mean, which is the definition of MISREPRESENTATION.

I am not misrepresenting you, if anything I'm misinterpreting what you are saying.

I completely understand why everyone is freaking out about that post. Why are you purposely going out of your way to make it look like that I don't?

Because based on your post, I wasn't sure you did understand

Obviously, if I had used the word "targets" then the grammar of that sentence WOULD be different. I figured that WOULD be understood and I wouldn't have to break it down Elmo style.

No, it didn't just make no sence gramatically, it made no sence at all. As in I see no way for you to reword that sentence with targets instead of actions with it still making the same point.

You are really sticking your head out on a limb for Jack. Why do you feel that he isn't scum?

He isn't scum because you are and because I see no reason why he would not use his CPR ability.

Also, where did I state that you wouldn't use your ability?

right here-

This reasoning is enough for me to say that Jack and Zang are scumbuddies,

and they probably don't even need that separate QT since they have the mafia one.

Absolutely NOTHING there about whether or not you feel that he's protown.

That's because I wasn't asked why he is protown, I was asked why I networked him.

Did you not read the big bold letters at the top of that post which stated "Page 13 & 14"? To me, that would show that I wasn't fully caught up yet.

Well you wrote the heading the same was as the sections "on Jack" and "on Zang" so I didn't think it was a heading for the post but for that section of the post

[Zang]

Also, I didn't ask you whether or not you felt he used his ability

But it is one of the reasons why I thought he was town which you did ask.

[Zang]

Vote: Starbuck

I networked Charter and havingfitz.

[Zang]

Zang, what do you think of Groupthink's results?

Well obviously he's scum.

You guys, Zang is a witch.

Group said 2 witches were on Jack's lynch. Havingfitz and Jack are now dead and confirmed as town.

That makes Zang the witch not on Jack's lynch.

Vote: Zang

lets look at the votecount

Kdub (0)
havingfitz (0)
ReaperCharlie (0) -
Starbuck (3) - Jack, Zang, havingfitz
totallynotmafia (0)
Zang (0)
Jack (6) - charter, Kdub, ReaperCharlie, Starbuck, CallMeLiam, totallynotmafia
charter (0)
CallMeLiam (0)
peanutman (0)

Not voting (1) - GroupThink

Jack and Havingfitz are confirmed town but Groupthink isnt. It also makes sence that hes scum because he has added nothing besides his sensor results to this game.

I love how GroupThink doesn't post anything about what's going on with the game since he replaced in (other than if he used his Night Action), but can come in on Day 3 still without giving any input and vote.

Vote: GroupThink

also why the sudden change in vote?

[Zang]

As mentioned before, all roles have an equal chance of being Mafia or SK. There will be no backdoor balancing on my part (so mod wifoming such as "There's no way ooba would let those three roles be scum" would only lead you on a wrong path).

[Zang]

I know and I read that multiple times, but the sensor role would be useless if it was mafia.

It'd basically give the mafia two goons.

two goons?

And even if it is useless, it does not change the fact that all roles have an equal chance of being mafia.

[Zang]

And once we lynch all those three, I think either Kdub or Zang is the serial killer. But we need to lynch Mafia today; if we lynch the SK, we'll be endgamed tomorrow and we'll all lose. This would also explain why Kdub (or) Zang jumped on the Starbuck wagon so fast

So fast? I was trying to get starbuck lymched all day yesterday and today. Even anyone jumped on it so fast its you or kdub.

(and charter, you can use the networker quicktopic for the first 48 hours od the day.)

[Zang]

Even anyone jumped

If not even

[Zang]

And.... does that exclude you as a viable, probable candidate for the SK?

I think not.

Well, I pretty much proved your whole case against me wrong so I'm probably as much of a candidate as any other member of the town.

But SB, if it's such a good thing to ask Zang, why don't you ask him yourself?

I have already said that i have networked charter, havingfitz and Jack

[Zang]

Finnaly! I almost got tired of lurking.