Mini 968 - Bastard Mass Effect (Game Over)

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1. Policy Lynching... need I say more?

- The only person in this game I'd policy lynch is bv310. If we don't get rid of him early, prepare for total lurkage throughout the game and wishy-washy play that is impossible to get a read on which will likely lead to him being a LyLo liability for us.

Vote: bv310

for that, by the way.

2. Is set-up speculation scummy, even in a bastard game?

- Scummy, no. Useless, yes.

3. Lynch-all-Liars?

- No. Lying in certain situations as town can have pro-town benefits.

4. How well acquainted are you with the ME games/books?

- Love love love love love the games, but didn't know the books existed.

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Also, <3 <3 <3 <3 to Fate, VPB, and ani. And Kerristar, though I'm not sure who's in there besides SK.

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For what it's worth: my role is NOT bastard-friendly, if I'm understanding that terminology correctly.

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I don't "get" the Col.Cathart lynch, I'll read back and try to comprehend. However,

Unvote; Vote: Kerristar

for disappearing when there are TWO PLAYERS in there and we don't have much time til deadline.

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I'm going to say a massclaim on D1 is a bad idea. Nameclaim wouldn't accomplish anything. Let's bring this idea up again D3.

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Not gonna lie, I think this game is going to be an uphill battle for me. Too. Much. Wall. Of. Text. You people need to learn to be more succinct. I'll try to get my thoughts in, though:

Kerristar's vote on Doombunny is fairly rational.

Unvote

. Yes, Doom's post does seem to be covering all bases, but if Doom is scum, I'd bet good money one of Col/Kerri/Parama is scum as well to cover all bussing bases.

I must've missed something Parama did to make him scummy - anyone wanna help me out here? Limerick's post 87 didn't convince me.

I kinda wanna vote for bv310, but I think it's better to let the night kills take care of him.

The Kerristar wagon is worrying me with how quickly it built up.

MMM is obvtown. VPB is murky.

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@MMM: Col was listed in Doom's scum list, IIRC. It's late now.

PS, something's off about LPD.

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I don't think a nameclaim would accomplish ANYTHING. The flavor of this game seems to be that some of the crew on the Normandy are planning a mutiny against Shepard. All a nameclaim would do is likely result in only listing off a shortlist of the Normandy crew members (Shepard, Liara, Garris, Tali, Joker, Wrex, Ashley, Jack, Thane, etc.) and give us no indication of who's scum, but give scum the ability to guess the flavor and find the power roles.

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VPB, I don't know how familiar you are with the games, but nameclaiming would mean nothing about ALIGNMENT since all the good guys are potential bad guys, but it COULD mean something about roles. For example, if someone claimed to be one of the tech users like Legion, it might lend itself to a tracker-type role due to the flavor from the games moreso than someone like, say, Joker, who wouldn't really make sense as a tracker.

I think there is nothing to gain from nameclaiming for town, while there is at least a small possibility of something to gain for scum.

PS, Parama's "it's my gut lololol just accept it" play has me ready to throw down a vote on him.

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Parama, are you going to claim?

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Vote: Parama

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unvote

EPIC DEAL IMO

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Actually, hold the fuck on. Just had a little realization

@Parama: what if we lynch you? Will Doombunny still die?

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FUCKING SNIPED

Last post before I posted was Parama's 195.

God dammit

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Kerristar might be scum if Parama is town. Remind me of this tomorrow.

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Ok, turn over.

Vote/Hammer: Parama

Says the scum protecting his scumpartner. You didn't even read his post did you, even consider the implications? God no wonder you didn't understand VP.

Who would be ani's scumpartner here?

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Oh shit. Okay I take back what I said about Kerristar/Parama's correlation.

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I will seriously be scum if Parama is town.

Fixed.

That's a LOL.

No, I agree.

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There are NOT two vigs in this game. I haz evidence. No claim here. #fb

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Whoa whoa whoa. Hold on, there was only one kill? WTF, WHY ISNT DOOMBUNNY DEAD

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Yes, I shot Doombunny last night - I can only shoot on odd nights. I'm Joker and my flavor involves me doing anything to protect this ship. When Parama died, I picked up his gun and became an odd night vig.

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I had no abilities before, but was told in my opening PM that if anyone dropped a gun, I'd have the option to pick it up in order to better defend my ship.

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I agree - if anyone is going to be a lying vig out of the other two, it'd be ani.

Vote ani

PS please don't vig bv310, he's town.

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Ani needs to die, then.

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PS please don't vig bv310, he's town.

And your reasoning is...?

I know of one of his abilities that seems pro-town. It's not confirmation in any way, but I have more reason to believe he is town than anyone else.

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Why aren't we lynching ani?

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Posting an update - my internet's not turned back on yet. Should be back up within a few days.

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God dammit, my kill didn't go through AGAIN

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I targeted Doombunny.

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I lied.

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So you're not interested in the fact that I lied because a pro-town vig that can kill every night is a scum NK target, so I made it seem like I wasn't a threat for last night?

Scumbunny knows I've been up his ass. I didn't want him to kill me before I could kill him. Though, none of that matters anyway since my kills apparently don't go through. I must be a false vig or something. Makes sense with Joker being a lame duck.

PS, bv310 masonized me N1. That's why I didn't want him lynched yesterday.

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Scum is one of the following: Doombunny, Limerickx, VPB, Fate.

That's pretty much my preferred lynch order, btw. I don't see masonizer being an anti-town role for some reason, Kerristar seems interested in scumhunting, and if I'm a false vig then C.C being true vig makes sense.

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WAIT FUCK

Add Col.C back to the scumlist. Forgot ani flipped vig, presumably truevig.

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I'm sorry, we're neighbors, not masons. We referred to it as "masonizing" in the quicktopic, though, so that's what I started calling it.

Col. Cat is confirmed town unless someone counter claims him.

What about serial killer?

Though, even if I put C.C back on my scumlist, he wouldn't be anywhere near the top since he did just kill scum. Even if he's third-party or something, he's doing pro-town things at this point.

So you're claiming, you are a Joker, the (yet another) normal vig? 3 vigs with different success rate is actually an option I would expect from a bastard game, but... Joker, the vig? I have to think hard about it... For now, my vote stays.

I claimed Joker the vig yesterday. I didn't start as a vig, my role PM stated I would do whatever it took to protect the ship (since I'm basically in love with it in the games) and I had no special abilities. I was allowed to pick up a gun though N1 and became a vig. I figured claiming odd-night would reduce the chance scum NKed me.

If waht you say is true (not assuming anything yet): Do you think, that masonization could neutralize your night ability?

I don't think so. I wasn't informed of that. Especially since my night ability was picked up/learned from the start.

What can I say? I was probably even more surprised by that flip than anyone else. I definitely wouldn't come out to CC ani, if I wouldn't be a vig myself, as his claim wouldn't blow away my cover in any way. I really thought he was lying.

Point taken.

Actually... Why the Doombunny? The only thing I have on him right now is his weird statement about going after me if ani flipped normal vig, like he already knew the outcome, and tried to set up an easy lynch on me today. (that's more than I have on most of the people around anyway, but it's still not much).

I'll present my case on Doombunny when I have ample time (preparing for the Lost finale party right now).

CC's kill didn't go through N1, right? So maybe it's something like... ani was 100%, CC is 50%, and I'm 0%. I don't know. Or maybe it rotates between which of the three of us get to be the real vig each night. Who knows?

I'm not much for lynching Kerristar at this point. I know he's up my ass, but he seems like he's doing actual scumhunting. Doombunny is my #1, and Limerickx is my #2 because he has about half as many posts as me and is hard to get a read on, very fly-under-the-radar-ish.

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Don't worry. I have a friend who left for Europe today. I teased him about spoiling the finale while he's abroad, and he's told me if I stop him from getting spoiled, he'll buy me a PS3 game.

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LOL

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@ Reck: Did you get the gun specifically because Parama died?

Yeah. I got a PM saying I stumbled across Jack's body and had the option of picking up her gun. I assume had I not agreed, I'd have similar options each night.

@Reck - what is your read on bv310 from your interactions? What kinds of things did you talk about in your QT?

I don't know. It's a hard read. He pretty much never posts in the QT. There are only ten posts in the QT right now, and most of them are from me. I asked him why he masonized me (guess I should say neighborized now). I also said N1 that something about lukepukeduke felt off (bv310 can confirm this). bv310 expressed his suspicions to me. I asked for his input on who I should vig N2, and we both agreed Doombunny would be a good option (as I tried to vig him N1 as well).

One thing is off though. When I asked bv310 why he chose me, he said I seemed the most townie D1. Then when asked about his suspicions, he mentions me on the shortlist of people of whom he's suspicious. I never noticed that before now.

PS - pretty sure bv310 can only neighborize someone once per game.

The whole "one vig" thing was mostly because I was essentially a backup who had already picked up a gun, and I found it a little odd that there'd be more than one. In retrospect, I suppose if any of the vigs died I could've picked up their gun. But it's all useless anyway because I have yet to make a successful kill. Maybe the gun I chose to pick up has to do with how successful I am? I dunno. It's all a bit hazy.

My role PM did specifically mention being able to pick up

a gun

though, so I think the above makes sense - different people's guns have different rates of success.

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Hindsight is 20/20, Lim. I think you're probably scum, by the way.

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Case isn't happening today. Sounds ridiculous, but I'm emotionally, mentally, and physically drained from the Lost finalé. Was up until 9:00am discussing it with people.

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V/LA for 24 hours due to my family being incompetent.

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Vote: Doombunny

if I'm not already. If he is unNKable, he needs to be lynchlynchlynched.

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I'm here. Reading. I need to do that Doombunny case, though I don't really see the point if he's going to get lynched for somehow surviving two different night kills anyway. *shrugs*

I think it'd be kinda pointless for the mod to give me a role where I start as nothing, then become a 0% vig. That'd be fucking retarded. Something screwy must be going on with Doombunny, unless I happened to get roleblocked or something... twice.

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To respond to VP's post:

my role is NOT bastard-friendly, if I'm understanding that terminology correctly.

What is bastard friendly about a backup vig?

PS, something's off about LPD.

I'd need to go back and check. Whatever it was, it made me say it to bv310 in our QT too. I just don't remember what it was. I think it was just an iso that made me raise an eyebrow or two.

PS please don't vig bv310, he's town.

I don't know. It's a hard read....<words>

The first was pretty much because I thought the whole "masonizer" thing was a pro-town ability (why would scum have that?) but then I kinda remembered the whole "bastard" thing and realized he could be SK with masonizer ability or something like that.

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What, seriously? No way is scum neighborizer a normal role.

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Well, it's kind of a moot point since this is openly admitted to being a bastard game.

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ATTN: Doombunny's scumpadres... bus now or be lynched later.

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I might have given Doombunny the time of day if the claim was different... but I seriously doubt a VT claim in a game that is supposed to be all screwball-esque.

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Well, at least I know my kill went through.

I'm starting to think it's a three-headed vig with each of us killing on a different night. My kill worked N3. I killed Limerickx because I didn't wanna kill my neighbor (bv310), or Col because he claimed the LPD kill, and I had a slight town read on Fate. That narrowed it down to VPB/Fate/Lim as the last scums, so I went with Lim.

I was wrong.

So my worst fears may be true, and we may have a VPB/Fate scumpair.

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WAIT WAIT

I just realized something. There are three claimed vigs. There has only been one death each night. I claimed the N3 kill, Col claimed the N2 kill, and didn't ani claim the N1 kill?

So... do scum just not have a kill, then? Obviously Col wouldn't shoot his own scumbuddy so he's probably town, ani is confirmed town, and I know that I'm town. Hm. Now I'm very confused on the mechanics.

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Happy scumday, mod!

Anyhow, massclaim time. I think Fate, myself and bv310 are really the only ones left?

Col. did you shoot Limerick last night or was it a scum kill? Reck, who did you try to shoot last night?

I shot Lim

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I totally forgot about it last night. PS, considering the fact I have 6 posts in the QT and you only had 3 before last night, I think you can forgive me for being absent one night.

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All bv asked is if I knew what a co-mod was.

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Or shit... bv310 could be scum neighborizer like people suggested.

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I won't big tonight (not that it'd work anyway).

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Uhm...

Actually, I shot Limerick as well, based on a gut feeling...

Fun stuff, eh?

Anyway, I'm still all for a massclaim as I was on D1.

Oh. So I could still be a 0% vig >.>

My preferred claim order:
Kerristar
VPB
Fate

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bv310 hasn't been grilling me. Like, at all.

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Here's my proposition for today:

after the massclaim, we no lynch. C.C shoots bv310 overnight since apparently his vigging seems to work whereas I'm a 0% vig. Since he shot last night too, there's no way to know if it was my shot or his that worked, but I'm gonna guess I'm still 0% vig and he's 50% or something. Or maybe he's 100%. The extra info on the no-kills would be fan-fucking-tastic actually, so if we could get that out in the open...

I was gonna suggest we pick our top two scummiest players, let C.C target one and I target the other.

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@Col.Cathart: I don't think we can HAVE more than one kill a night though. It's like town and scum take turns switching off who kills and who doesn't. We've never had more than one night kill. My plan was that if we both vig, only one kill would likely go through and then we'd be able to see if it was CC or I who was the true vig (or at least figure out if I'm 0% vig or not).

But... I guess if we agree neither of us should kill tonight, then I'll agree.

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I wonder if I'd have the ability to become a backup doc or backup namecop instead of just a backup vig. My role PM used the gun as an example of what I could pick up, but didn't say that I could only pick up guns. If either of VPB/Kerristar had died, I wonder if I coulda picked up their power too.

PS, my full rolename is Town Backup.

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Hmm. What about night one then?

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Oh right

FATE WTF GET IN HERE

I'm tempted to think bv310 is scum neighborizer at the moment. Unsure on second person. I would totally put my money on C.C if he hadn't apparently shot LPD N2.

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Did Fate just fuck up a crucial part of his claim?

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Yeah, I'm leaning towards bv310 lynch.

I also think your reasoning for Kerristar's claim being b/s is well thought out. But something about your claim is making me >.>

Maybe it's the fact that I'm still not clear on what the rules are for your protection. Why didn't it work N1? I mean, what races does it not work with?

I'd like Kerristar to fullclaim the information he found out about each person. He said they got background info. What background info?

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Like I said, our intention was to investigate the player we thought most likely to be under pressure and claim, so that we could have some role supported proof if they chose to lie.

But I had already claimed.

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Uh no. It's that out of all the claims so far, neighborizer seems the most likely to be a bastardly scum role.

That, and the fact that you have contributed close-to-nothing.

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Namecop doesn't sit well with me. It seems like a useless town role tbqh.

I say we lynch bv310 today for general coasting and having the most scumlike role, then Col & I decide who shoots Kerristar tonight.

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...you're fucking delusional.

I continue to wonder why you even bother to play Mafia. Show me where I jumped on anyone else's case, especially when MUCH earlier I said that I was questioning you because of your role.

You're just scared to get lynched, plain and simple, and your OMGUS of calling me scum is flat out ridiculous.

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Vote: bv310

I see no way in which scum neighborizer isn't what's happening here.

PS, C.C needs to post more. I swear, were it not for the fact that he claims to have shot scum, I'd be pushing for his lynch.

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If bv310 flips town I bow down to scum because I have no fucking clue who else it'd be. I could see scum doctor, scum namecop...scum everything.

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I just straight up don't kill, unless it was actually my shot that hit and not C.C's. We just don't have that much information.

Something about Fate's claim has sat kinda funny with me. The whole "he was fighting a Turian" "oh wait nvm lol avatars" thing doesn't add up somehow.

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Did you shoot KS, Col?

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I did shoot.

I'm not sure who is scum at this point. I'd like to hear if C.C is the one who shot KS or not.

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Actually, fuck it, Fate's botched claim yesterday definitely makes me think he's scum.

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I would too.

This could get very interesting.

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I'm not sure about bv310. He seemed earnest in the QT last night. Col CAN'T be scum if he shot LPD. That's retarded. That means it's between bv310, Fate, and VPB. By the way, I shot KS. Now who was it that was pushing for his lynch yesterday?

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Exactly.

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If there's one mafia and a SK left we're not in lylo right?

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Fate if you're town then VPB is scum. TonyMontana wouldn't make a setup where crossprotections would win the game like that.

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So I'm not lynching C.C today. The only option for him besides town is SK, and I don't want to worry about SK today. I want to worry about scum.

I'd rather not lynch bv310... I always get cold feet before lynching him because he's ALWAYS scummy as hell in every single game. Then again, I have no idea who I'd lynch out of VPB and Fate.

Lynch preference: VPB = Fate > bv310 > Col > me

Then again... I'm not sure why people are just assuming we have a SK. We could be in lylo with three scum still. There's no evidence to support a SK... in fact, the people that are pushing for the whole SK thing very well may be scum trying to get town off guard.

Ugh. Who was it that was pushing for the KS lynch yesterday, by the way?

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I've never played with VPB scum or Fate scum to my knowledge... but this whole game I've noticed something has been extremely off compared to how I'm used to playing with them. I think VPB seems a little less pro-town than usual to me than Fate, though.

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bv310, who should we lynch?

Fate's move could be read as scum under pressure needing a good alternate case or town making an earnest attempt to lynch a scummy player (although, bv310 is commonly known as a VI).

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Here's the thing... both of you seem very willing to lynch bv310.

So if this is single-scum setup, it makes me think you two are scumbuddies together and lynching the VI. If this is scum + SK, then that means bv310 is likely the last scum and C.C is the SK.

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It's the only thing that makes sense. And, setup speculation IS worthless since we don't know what bastard mechanics are at play.

Honestly... I'm just cold-footed about lynching bv because of how scummy he is ALL THE TIME. But I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day, huh?

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I think I shot Doombunny N1, it didn't go through, so I shot him N2 too.

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My shots:

N1: Pick up gun, Doombunny
N2: Doombunny
N3: Limerickx
N4: Kerristar

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^ These questions.

Though bv310 did mention a 2 scum + 1 SK setup in the QT last night.

WAIT A MINUTE

BRB

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k nvm

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CLAIMED NIGHT ACTIONS:

Reck

: (Backup Vig)
N1: Kill Doombunny
N2: Kill Doombunny
N3: Kill Limericx
N4: Kill Kerristar

Fate

: (Bodyguard)
N1: Guarded MMM
N2: Guarded Col.Cath
N3: Guarded VP Baltar
N4: Guarded VP Baltar

VP Baltar

: (Doctor)
N1: Protected Kerristar
N2: Protected Reck
N3: Protected Col.Cathart
N4: Protected Fate

Col.Cathart

: (Vig)
N1: ???
N2: Kill lukepukeduke
N3: Kill Limerickx
N4: No kill

Unless Col.Cathart shot Kerristar or MMM N1, then none of the protects line up with the kills that didn't go through.

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If neither of you are scum, then CC is an SK, and our setup was 9/2/1 (as I told Reck last night)

Uhh if it's not either of them then who's the second scum

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Your protections only hold weight if you deny the bastard modding aspect that stopped the other kills.

And yes. Call me naive, but bv310 sounded very townish in our QT last night.

Though... the thing that holds me up is... he was very confident of the 2:1 scum to SK setup. Makes me think he has inside information.

Actually... fuck it... I'd lynch bv310 today. The worst case scenario is VPB and Fate are scum together in that situation and for that, I'm willing to take a loss as town because then it's less my fault and more the mod's for designing such a broken protection/protection setup.

Here we go.

Vote: bv310

Dear God please be right.

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Well, to be fair, I do kinda support the SK + 2 scum setup idea now.

bv310 + lukepukeduke as scum, Col.Cathart as SK. That lucky shot on lukepukeduke gave him a chance to get insta-town cred, and now bv310 is trying to use his hidden knowledge of the setup to get town-cred by pushing a lynch on who he thinks is the SK.

The good news is, there's no way the game could be over tomorrow if we're in scum + SK endgame. It'll just be prisoner's dilemma, right?

Ugh. Bastard mod games are fun but they hurt my head.

I can't get this nagging feeling out of my head that bv310's defeatist attitude is legitimate... but I just saw someone pull that whole "GG SCUM" gimmick in one of my ongoing games, and they flipped scum, so that AtE doesn't work on me so well anymore.

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Well, I just don't see a scenario where there are two scum left. I've tried to make connections and it doesn't work.

You and Fate don't work (as a team) because you're both protection type roles.

However, I don't see either of you working on a team with bv310 because you're BOTH pushing for his lynch.

Col.Cathart doesn't work with anyone as scum because he shot lukepukeduke.

bv310 alone as scum with Col.Cathart as the SK is literally the only thing that makes sense in my head.

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BALLLLIN.

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Spoiler alert: iPhone 4 is awesome.

bv310, shut up. Literally nothing else makes sense besides you being scum.

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If Fate's scum, he's bussing you. If VPB's scum, he's bussing you. If Col.Cathart is SK, you're scum.

If you flip town, it means either game over, or Col shot his scumbuddy, or one of the protection roles is scum.

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Fine bv.

Give your opinion on the setup, because if it turns out to be that there is an SK, then we still have a chance tomorrow.

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YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

Fucking nailed it. I know I was told not to shoot but after the town flip yesterday there was seriously no way that Fate wasn't scum, especially after the claim was botched so badly.

Well, I'm ready to vote Col.Cathart. There's no way scum have two protection roles, so VPB is cleared on that alone. C.C is SK, and it's game over.

I'm gonna wait for VPB to check in though.

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inb4colcathartclaimsheshotfate

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Hey VPB

who'd you protect last night

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That's an idea. Though given the wonky kill mechanics in the game I don't want to risk anything.

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Hey VPB

who'd you protect last night

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I don't know. Looking back on the game, either me or C.C claimed every kill. It doesn't make sense.

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I saw that happening yesterday, and I thought it was a blatant buddying attempt to cast me in a negative light after he saw that he botched his claim and would likely go down for it. It played a large part in me shooting him last night.

No matter which way you look at it, both of us shot scum on different nights. I don't see how there could be three scum in that situation... scum can't kill each other, can they?

In any case, I feel like town having a vig/JOAT then a backup vig coupled with scum potentially not having a night kill and a SK... it's exactly the type of bastard modding I'd expect.

"Hey, you're scum... but you can't kill anyone, you've got to win without the ability to kill. You've got to make town kill each other."

We really need C.C to get in here though.

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seth RP: discussing "Jay Silencio"

OH OF COURSE HE SHOT FATE. SERIOUSLY?

And he also happened to shoot Kerristar too. Something doesn't add up.

N1 - Doombunny
N2 - Doombunny
N3 - Limerickx
N4 - Kerristar
N5 - Fate

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Whoops - the first line of that was from an old Word file I didn't delete all the way. Ignore that.

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First off, I always said there was something unnerving about Fate's claim. I believed it long enough for bv310 to get lynched, and after he flipped town I started counting down my options and realized that, holy shit, it HAS to be Fate and I was right all along.

I shot Fate last night. End of story. If C.C shot him too, good for him.

The evidence for there being a SK is that I don't think you're scum, VP, but C.C was the only one to claim the LPD kill and I don't think he'd make the mistake of shooting his own partner. So clearly he's the final scum, but it's a SK and not mafioso.

I don't see how scum could have two protection roles. That's why I've cleared you in my mind.

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seth RP: discussing "Jay Silencio"

God, C.C is so clearly a SK. I know there's not much way for me to convince you of that, VPB, because you didn't see the whole game from my perspective... but he just

is

. He happens to shoot Fate and (correction from above post)

Limerickx

on the same day as me. I don't know how else LPD could've been killed... but the fact that that is the ONLY kill this entire game was LPD doesn't sit right with me. N1 didn't work for him, N2 he killed LPD, N3 and N5 he "shared" a kill with me, and N4 he didn't kill anyone.

I shot Kerristar because they were frustrating me. I couldn't get a solid read on them, and the namecop thing seemed like a mafia role trying to be played off for town cred. Plain and simple. Kerristar had confirmed my claim as Joker, too... if I were mafia, why would I kill the person who had confirmed my claim? IIRC, they weren't even on my ass or trying to lynch me, either.

Same with Fate. But, of course, there's still this whole argument over whether or not I actually shot him. I'm seriously so fucking pissed off...

I shot Fate and I'm damn proud for hitting scum

.

What's with this sudden bactrack? Just a post earlier you were so eager to convince anyone I didn't actually shoot him, and all my claims are bogus. Now you are going back to your earlier SK nonsense speculation. Looks like you are trying to frame me, but you were still not sure whether you want to push the third scum, or SK route, and it just created an inconsistence.

Bull. Shit. I've been pushing for you being the SK the whole day. VPB is the one who doesn't think it's 2/1, but I see no other way it could be anything else. It's a might smart gambit you've got going on, though... claim the kills in such a way it looks like you're town and I'm the last mafia. If you claim both mafia kills, then it makes me look like the third mafia to VPB. But the fact of the matter is

I shot Fate

so I can CLEARLY see what you're trying to do here.

And... yeah, a lot of the reason I cleared VPB is because of his role. But after seeing how you've played so far today, it's just a simple process of elimination thing.

Problem with the no lynch thing: as I've said before, there's clearly something weird going on with the kills. I refuse to no lynch when 1) I

know

C.C has to be the SK, and 2) We don't even know if my kill would go through since apparently it hasn't in the past and I don't want to just hand C.C the game like that.

Most of the kills have been claimed as vig kills and those that haven't look like obv mafia kills. I dont' really see any unclaimed kills floating around that look like SK.

PS, VPB, every kill has been claimed. Please try and keep up. And, uh, obviously there's no way to tell who is killing on each night... so the mafia hit on LPD could be SK. Here's how I see it so far.

N1 - vig kill (ani) on MMM
N2 - SK kill (CC) on LPD
N3 - backup vig kill (Reck) on Limerickx
N4 - since I was the only one to submit a kill that night when it was supposed to be the SK's night to shoot, I kill Kerristar
N5 - backup vig kill (Reck) on Fate

I took over ani's kill slot when he died and I became his backup. There hasn't actually

been

a mafia kill... that's the trick here I think. It alternates between town vigs and SK, and the mafia have to manipulate the kills in such a way that they get town to kill each other. Hence the roleblocker and the bodyguard.

bv310 also suspected a SK. So clearly it's not just me.

PS, I'd like to point out that so far, alignments have fit flavor. I know it's always a bit shady to figure it out... but... I've made a setup before where the flavor worked out so well that it allowed people to figure out who the last scum is. The two most questionable of alliance in the games, Wrex and Legion, have flipped scum. Wrex was always a renegade who wasn't THAT loyal to Shepard, and Legion was a fucking Geth. Out of the remaining claims... we have Mordin, who was always a nice guy/loyal in the game. We have Joker, who has been by Shepard's side in BOTH games and nearly gave his life to protect Shepard when the Normandy got ripped apart. Then we have Thane Krios... who is and was a serial killer/assassin in the games

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N1, N2. Unsure on N3/N5. Worked on N4.

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I did get my gun from Parama, but I don't think Parama had a kill order like the rest of us since he was JOAT and not an all-killing role. I think the killing went vig-SK-vig-SK-vig-SK, so I took over the vig slot when I became backup vig. My kills didn't start going through until N3... when ani's kill would've gone through.

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Oh my god this is the biggest load of bullshit ever. I'm getting legitimately angry at how fucking stupid C.C's case is.

Then what is your point in trying to convince VP that I wasn't involved in shooting Limerick or Fate. Isn't me NOT killing them makes me less of an SK? I'm trying to understand your case beside 'VP is not scum therefore CC is' point, but it just doesn't make any sense.

I never said it was a case. The main point of my belief that you are the SK is that it's not VPB, and there are plenty of strange occurrences which have me scratching my head. Mafia don't have a kill... seriously. There has to be a SK. C.C came out and counterclaimed ani D1, right? Typical SK play - counterclaim the vig.

Or, you're just scum who is afraid to lose the game.

Or, based on the kill order I explained earlier, I likely won't be able to kill tonight since I believe I am either 50% or my kills get priority only on odd nights or something like that. I didn't know ani didn't kill MMM... I've been operating under that belief for most of the past few days.

Except, Wrex was a HUGE ally of Shepard on Tuchanka in ME2. On the other side of spectrum, Jack who was a psychopathic killer turned out to be a good role. Again, your argument is invalid (oh, and Thane was not a serial killer. I see what did there though).

He... was? My interactions with Wrex didn't quite turn out that way. Also, Jack is a romance option in the game, who became a psychopathic killer because it was outside of her realm of control... experiments were done on her and turned her that way. Thane is a killer/assassin by trade.

So what IMO actually happened last night? I shot Fate, and either him or Reck tried to kill me, but VP stopped it.

Fuck you.

I shot Fate

you fucker. This is pissing me off now.

Simple. If for some reason Joker is the scum role in this game (and now I'm suspecting it is), killing (ergo confirming the role of) Kerristar, confirms you being Joker, giving you an excellent cover. Considering that Fate actually WAS Wrex so he had a good claim to cover himself as well, I don't see any other reason why would anyone even pick him up.

This isn't important. From a scum point of view, Kerristar didn't suspect me. He namecleared me, sure, but that doesn't really prove anything other than "Yes, that is his name". As an anti-town role, it's more profitable to keep your supporters alive and kill your detractors. My kills don't line up with that:

Doombunny wasn't attacking me, I just thought he was scummy (this was reflected in the votes I placed each day as well). Limerickx seemed like an outside chance for under-the-radar scum... and apparently you agreed, Mister Serial Killer. Kerristar's role

didn't make sense

as a town role in the grand scheme of things, and Fate was obvscum after the botched claim.

Nothing I did makes sense from a scum perspective.

VPB, please don't buy his mountain of bullshit.

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CLEARLY you also found Lim scummy enough to kill too... YOU JUST ADMITTED THAT. Or wait... maybe you've been planning on making me look like the SK all along. As the SK, you keep me alive then set me up to look like the SK. Claim my kill on the final day, etc. Something just doesn't add up here.

And why the hell would town need a namecop? Who would lie about their name? The only way that makes sense is for scum to namecop people and use it as counterclaiming material or use it to deduce power roles.

Kerristar clearly didn't 100% believe that, and to me, it seemed like a bit of passing speculation than serious accusation/suspicion.

The only thing that has me worried is the fact that apparently nobody killed ani. It doesn't make sense. That's beside the point, though, since

clearly some of the kills are being stopped anyway

.

VPB, weigh in please.

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VPB's suggestion for the no lynch + crosskill scenario just struck an odd chord with me, and I now think I might be the only town player and we're in a Prisoner's Dilemma here.

VPB's scum motivation: he says he'll self-protect, kills instead, wins tomorrow.

It would be incredibly broken for scum to have two self-protect roles, but the idea of lynching them is enough to make it possible in a bastard mod setup.

Now I feel like I'm just going completely mad with paranoia... but seriously... this could be prisoner's dilemma.

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Unless you're lying about the protection role.

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I'm sorry that I'm considering all options. VP did you block any reported kills??

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Hmm. Interesting. I thought Fate had blocked the kill on N1.

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BWACHACHA!

Tony. You are a genius!

High Five Reck, and sorry I tried to discredit your shot at Fate. After all, that was my role in this game (and I really did shoot him)

I really had fun with this. Oh, and I really did shoot Fate too.

This might not be Mafia though... no informed minority here.

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Bah. When it came down to the final three, I started to realize that C.C actually

was

a SK. Then I was like "oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck" but I couldn't be like "Hey guys there are multiple SKs" because then I'd be obviously giving myself away.