Mini 968 - Bastard Mass Effect (Game Over)

[Mysterious Mystery Man]

Vote: Fate

Because OMGUS rocks.

@ Col. Cathart: Are you proposing a D1 massclaim? Because otherwise I can't see why you'd be interested in Fate's role.

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Question time:

(Because waiting for RVS to end is really boring.)

1. Policy Lynching... need I say more?

2. Is set-up speculation scummy, even in a bastard game?

3. Lynch-all-Liars?

4. How well acquainted are you with the ME games/books?

My answers:

1. Policy Lynching is bad, it's an easy way out for bad scumhunters and people who are lazy.

2. I don't think having a natural curiosity about the set-up is scummy, but I doubt it can serve any purpose right now anyway.

3. Tough one... I'd say yes, just so we can be clear on policy and stop town from doing stupid things.

4. Know the basic plot of the games, and know who most of the characters are, never bothered with the books.

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New avatar isn't a claim, just trying to get into the spirit of things.

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Vote: Col. Cathart

Massclaiming now can only benefit scum. We don't even know how many scum factions there are.

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@ Col. Cathart:

Tomorrow, we'll know from the kills how many factions there are, and we will be better prepared to see through fakeclaims. But for now, there's no way to tell a fakeclaim from a real one. Think about it: it makes sense that the mod would try to mess with us, by creating unlikely role-name combos. Which is also why it would be easy for the scum to slip by, they could just say their real character name and come up with a bizarre role; we'd have no way to tell if they were lying. It also gives the scum a chance to take out the greatest power roles quickly.

In short, it benefits scum far more than town.

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@ Fate, Parama: What do you think of the players who support a massclaim?

@ Kerristar: Why do you support a massclaim?

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Who is more scummy, the scum, or the scum who follows him?

My questions still stand, I want to know why Kerristar supported the massclaim before I decide whether they are scummier than the Colonel.

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Everyone needs to post more. Everyone also needs to state their opinion on the massclaim, and whether or not asking for a massclaim is scummy.

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@ Fate, Parama: What do you think of the players who support a massclaim?

They are being retarded and need to start scumhunting.

Inappropriate language. Let's all keep this civil.

@ Parama: What has doombunny said that makes you think he has something to hide?

This in particular:

Also, I think we've established the fact that we're not going to massclaim so I see little reason to go on about it.

Seems like he a motive other than the town motive for not wanting a massclaim. This may be me reading into things too much but it makes sense to me at the very least.

What kind of motive?

Also, kunk isn't posting in another game as well so I don't think it's exclusively this game he's actively ignoring.

The current case on Kerristar isn't based on inactivity, what's your point?

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OK, first off, I'm not seeing how scum would be against a massclaim. Secondly, you imply that you know scum would be against a massclaim, which implies you know something we don't. Thirdly, why Doombunny9? Stating the obvious, that we're not going to massclaim, isn't scummy.

Strike three, buddy.

Unvote, vote: Parama

A little pressure never hurt anyone.

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@ Parama: So, you think that Doombunny9 saying there obviously isn't going to be a massclaim D1 is more scummy than asking for a massclaim D1? Even when you yourself are against a massclaim?

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You didn't answer my question, do you really think that Doombunny9's statement makes him more scummy than Col. Cathart and Kerristar?

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@ Mod: Why are some player names bolded, when others are not in bold?

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Hm... According to Urban Dictionary, Derpism is "An incredibly stupid joke in which the only laughter comes from the person who told it." Is this what you meant? The massclaim suggestion was a joke?

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Agreed with MMMs line of thinking, but I still think that being sneaky in favor of a massclaim, ala Kerristar, is more scummy, though Para's reasoning (lack thereof) has made me more suspicious.

Especially because I don't see how a brief sentence by Doombunny implies 'getting hung up on it.'

Some scum attack their buddies. Others cozy up to them. But I think the strongest tell is when someone tries to do neither, and ignores certain players in the game. That's the vibe I get from Parama, like he's trying to write off Col. Cathart's slip-up. He's expressing moderate suspicion of Kerristar and C.C, but isn't really confronting them. I sense a scum pairing.

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Probably not all three. That's why I'm voting Parama. I think it's more likely he's paired with either the Colonel or Kerristar than the latter two paired together. That would be too obvious.

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@ VP Balter: I'm not sure. I haven't heard from Col. Cathart or Kerristar for a while, so I'm focusing on Parama for now.

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@ Parama: Please quote the sections of Doombunny9's posts that you find scummy, and then say why they are scummy. Also, is DB9 your only lead?

@ Mod: Is votecount 1.2 incorrect? Limerickx and Kerristar should be voting Parama and Doombunny9 respectively.

@ Doombunny9: You've said you would be happy with a lynch of C.C, Kerristar, or Parama. Which do you prefer, and why?

@ Kerristar: Why do you support a massclaim?

Unvote, vote: Kerristar

I know I'm vote hopping, but I really don't like this latest post:

Our support of the massclaim depended on what it consisted of.

The only person I see with a reasonable point against us is Limerickx, although misguided. I see scum hoping for a quick policy lynch on inactivity.

First off, you still don't explain why you are in support of a massclaim. Secondly, you say that your support was conditional, but you don't explain the conditions.

Your logic behind the massclaim makes sense, I'm leaning towards supporting it. Is it both role and name claim or just one or the other?

So, I'm guessing that whether massclaim involves roles and/or names makes a difference. Col. Cathart explained what he meant in the post below that, but you didn't respond. Please tell us why you support any kind of massclaim, and what difference the names and roles make to the claim.

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EBTWODB:

Also, why is Limerickx's case misguided? And do you really think he is scum? The term 'misguided' implies he is town hunting town. As for a policy lynch, he stated earlier that he was generally against policy lynching, and for inactivity? You stated you would be V/LA, or at least one head, so any inactivity can be excused. I don't see anything in Limerickx's case about inactivity.

Oh, and...

@ Col. Cathart: Why are you voting bv310 over animorpherv1, who has made even less content?

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The only person I see with a reasonable point against us is Limerickx, although misguided.

Implies Limerickx is town.

I see scum hoping for a quick policy lynch on inactivity.

Implies Limerickx is scum.

@ Kerristar: WHY DO YOU SUPPORT A MASSCLAIM?

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@ Limerickx: How should Kerristar have phrased the question about the massclaim?

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Unless I'm wrong, Kerristar is at L-2.

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BTTB:

animorpherv1: Needs to POST!

bv310: Scummier by the minute. I can see why Col. Cathart doesn't like him. We'll never get anywhere with this inactivity.

Col.Cathart: I'm going to give him a pass for today, but I still think he's scummy. Although I agree with his read on bv310, I don't think it warrants a vote, not with all the other discussion. But, I can see how the massclaim suggestion could've been a mistake, and he's been scumhunting otherwise.

Doombunny9: I don't see how his statement about not going on about the massclaim is any more scummy than how the rest of us have kept pressure on Col. Cathart and Kerristar. I still would like to see more scumhunting from him though I have a town read.

Fate: I'm leaning toward scummy. He hasn't posted much of anything original, and bandwagoned.

Kerristar: I still don't see how a nameclaim is good for town. Take my avatar as an example, if I claimed Garrus, does that make me town or scum? Garrus was a good guy, but also a bit of a rogue. Same logic applies for all the roles. The only remotely useful bit of info is if someone claimed Jack, they'd likely be a SK. But, the mod could have thought of that, and made Jack a jester. To me, suggesting a nameclaim is an excuse to avoid scumhunting, of which you've done very little. I also don't like your half-attack on Limerickx, calling him scum and then retreating when called upon. Until you can give me a good reason otherwise, you're my preferred lynch candidate.

Limerickx: I read smart town, although I disagree with his tell on Kerristar, I can see his point.

lukepukeduke: Um... who?

Parama: Frankly, the attack on Doombunny9 doesn't look like scum to me. Newbie town, yes. Lyncher, yes. Jester, maybe. But probably not scum.

VP Baltar: Town, albeit aggressive.

xRECKONERx: Another lurker? Very scummy read here. Says he doesn't 'get' the C.C lynch, and votes Kerristar for disappearing in one post, then says he's against the massclaim in the next post and disappears himself.

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I treat mafia and SK as scum. Lyncher and jester are different because it goes against the town's wincon to lynch them. I don't know if Parama is a newbie, but he seems to be acting like one.

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Namecopping. Locking scum into an early nameclaim would allow for looking for fakeclaims.

How? This is likely the first thing the mod thought of when creating the roles. Add that to the fact that it's hard to tell which roles are pro-town and which are anti-town, and we have endless discussion that goes nowhere, and stops all scumhunting.

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@ xRECKONERx: Why do you include Col. Cathart in your bussing list? He said he didn't understand Parama's case on him.

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Mod: ani, bv310, and lukepukeduke all should be modkilled, according to the rules. I don't like the idea of wiping out a quarter of the player list D1, so could we have some prods instead?

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@ Parama: What are your other scum reads? Do you have any more points in your case against Doombunny9 besides the 'other motive against massclaim' theory?

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@ Parama: So, you think Doombunny9 is scum because of the 'ulterior motive' and... because I questioned your reasoning?

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as well as contradicting himself on a Limerick read.

Sorry? Where was that?

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Doh, I feel retarded.

Please, no need for that.

I am against a nameclaim, because it will serve only to delay scumhunting. As I've said, town has nothing to gain.

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I doubt Shepard's in the game, judging from the flavour text, unless it's the mod.

I agree with xRECKONERx for the nameclaim. VP Balter, why do you support it?

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I still think Kerristar's scummy. Col. Cathart's idea didn't call for a nameclaim, and Kerristar didn't say "well, that's not what we were thinking of", they didn't say anything. They weren't even clear on what they wanted until lately. Besides which, there's the vote on Doombunny9, obvious wagon-hopping, and the contradiction with Limerickx, which comes off as very scummy.

I'll support a Parama lynch, but he still looks newbie town to me.

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I don't think a nameclaim would accomplish ANYTHING. The flavor of this game seems to be that some of the crew on the Normandy are planning a mutiny against Shepard. All a nameclaim would do is likely result in only listing off a shortlist of the Normandy crew members (Shepard, Liara, Garris, Tali, Joker, Wrex, Ashley, Jack, Thane, etc.) and give us no indication of who's scum, but give scum the ability to guess the flavor and find the power roles.

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Agreed. VP Balter, explain why a nameclaim is a good idea. Hell, even talking about a nameclaim is distracting from scumhunting.

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Parama is a jester. He actually weakened his case from 'ulterior motive' to 'gut instinct'. VP Balter is scummy, and I'm not claiming.

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@ Parama: Even if he does have an ulterior motive, how do you know it's a scummy one?

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Because I cannot think of a motive that helps town.

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@ Parama: Why would scum want to avoid a massclaim?

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I'll do a votecount.

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animorpherv1 - nobody
bv310 - Kerristar
Col.Cathart - Parama
Doombunny9 - nobody
Fate - Parama
Kerristar (SaintKerrigan / kunkstar) – Doombunny9
Limerickx - Parama
lukepukeduke - Kerristar
Mysterious Mystery Man - Kerristar
Parama – Doombunny9
VP Baltar – Parama
xRECKONERx - nobody

4 on Parama, 3 on Kerristar, 2 on Doombunny9. 7 to lynch.

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Actually I shouldn't bother claiming at all. Something someone said earlier makes me feel my claim will get me lynched anyways.

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OK guys, I've been reading over an old game of Parama's, and I think this really is his playstyle, sadly. Here's the link: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13460

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I will seriously be scum if Parama is town.

Fixed.

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@ ani: Why did you do that when:

He seems more pro-town to me than in that game.