Pick Your Power III: A Brave New World

[Parama]

FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS
I can confirm that scum took the Janitor role.
Why? I tried to take it and got 'nilla'd!
If a townie took the janitor role, I would like you to claim now plz.

[Parama]

And if we want to get rid of the janitor role, we lynch out of this group first:
2,12 sorasgoof
10,1 Pomegranate
11,7 Sando
12,3 Porkens
13,7 Dramonic
1,1 SerialClergyman
1,1 manho
3,6 Socrates
3,6 Zoiaum
5,4 Ellibereth
5,15 Drippinggoofball
6,1 superawesomemegapimp
6,2 Budja
7,3 Fate

[Parama]

Looking at the draft order...

##vote: manho

[Parama]

These awesome people dice-rolled:
Socrates
Faraday
mb53
Parama
Ellibereth
Hoopla

^We are not lynching people on this list today.

We are also not lynching these people:
4,5 PranaDevil
4,7 CryMeARiver
4,8 12keyblade
9,2 Zang
-------------
On both lists! Not until Day 3!
9,4 Faraday
9,9 Hoopla
9,15 mb53

Note: Fate doesn't count
Note2: Ooh. 12Keyblade changed his first number as well without referencing it later. But he's in the bottom half anyways.

FoS: 12Keyblade

I lied mb isn't scum and Hoopla may or may not be. Keyblade is probably scum though. Manho has been completely disassociated with everything we've discussed thus far and needs to die.

[Parama]

Looking at the draft order...

vote: manho

Why manho?

Why do you care?
Note: Zang is manho's scumbuddy

[Parama]

It wasn't based solely on the draft order. I was looking over the draft order to see who I thought was scummiest of the players above me.

[Parama]

That was a waste of a post.

META
IS
A
LIE

STOP USING IT

[Parama]

The fact of the matter is that it is not.
Nor does that excuse the fact that you are using a meta argument.

##unvote,
##vote: sorasgoof

He just accused me of being scum with a meta argument. And... nothing else.
Well, that's what you implied at least, so that is what I'm going to say.

[Parama]

There is no wagon on me.

[Parama]

Also why are your last four posts all over the place? You go from wondering why I'm wagoned, to voting for me, to unvoting me again, with sod all in between.

'cause he's scum.
I called him as scum before he even posted - glad to see my suspicions are correct!
What manho has done thus far:
1. RVS vote without reading the thread ("why are prana and sorasgoof wagoned?")
2. Questioning the usefulness of massclaim - trying to say it's a bad idea
3. Wagon vote + misrep of Prana
4. Ad hom reason to unvote now that he realizes the Prana wagon died before he hopped on it.

Confirm ##vote: manho

[Parama]

unvote; vote: manho

Prana is town!

[Parama]

I don't get why we're wagoning soras.
Oddly enough, manho is scummiest, so I'm voting manho.
Soras wagon feels scum driven.

[Parama]

I don't get why we're wagoning soras.
Oddly enough, manho is scummiest, so I'm voting manho.
Soras wagon feels scum driven.

Or maybe it's an RL wagon and we got lucky, yet you are worried for your scumbuddy

Oh wow, really?

[Parama]

Notice: Anyone who wants town-cred, jump on the manho wagon. A quicklynch would be preferable.

[Parama]

No clue. Random decision. A quick decision.

[Parama]

I guess I should have said a speedy wagon resulting in a claim.

[Parama]

Dunno. Manho needs to die ASAP, I guess. That's a good enough reason, I guess.

[Parama]

Okay lynch manho as soon as he fakeclaims

[Parama]

I like Socrates' massclaim theory. And tbh logic puzzles are easier than scumhunting.

and i also don't see the reason for the wagon on me. parama has said something about my first 4 posts, but i've also explained them.

The issue with your argument here
1. You should NEVER need to explain why you posted something - anyone reading it knows why, making up a different story gets you caught.
2. On that note, scum can lie - the "reason" you posted may very well be a fib.

[Parama]

I made the reasons pretty clear.

[Parama]

What manho has done thus far:
1. RVS vote without reading the thread ("why are prana and sorasgoof wagoned?")

there are no such reasons in the thread, so you can't prove that i'm not reading the thread. and even a RVS vote without reading the thread is not a scum tell.

[/quote]
There were most certainly reasons in-thread and even some in the pre-game thread. And not reading the thread while still posting an RVS vote... well, what if RVS had ended? What would your vote look like then?

2. Questioning the usefulness of massclaim - trying to say it's a bad idea

that's a misrep. and questioning such an issue is actually pro-town as it arouse discussion.

It's not a misrep since it's what you implied even if you didn't say it.

3. Wagon vote + misrep of Prana

so can you tell me prana's meaning of that post? i still can't get it and prana didn't seem like telling me. so why am i scummy for asking for that clarification?

Your post was just complete and total misrep, don't deny it.

4. Ad hom reason to unvote now that he realizes the Prana wagon died before he hopped on it.

that's not an ad hom. and the later part of this quote is just a wild guess. you can add in a scum motivation on almost every post in a mafia game.

[/quote]
"prana is more likely a stupid townie" <--- attacking the player themself, thus ad hom, though it's a weird reverse thing where you used it to unvote. But that's really not a good reason to unvote - it just looks like jumping off a wagon after realizing it had broken down.

Why did you make me repeat everything I've already said?

[Parama]

Care to explain?

[Parama]

##Unvote, vote: Parama

##Unvote, ##vote: Hoopla

OMGUS

[Parama]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 12

Dramonic

- 2 - mb53, Ellibereth - (L-10)

Hoopla

- 1 - Parama - (L-11)

Manho

- 2 - PranaDevil, Pomegranate - (L-10)

PranaDevil

- 3 - Dramonic, Socrates, Faraday - (L-9)

SerialClergyman

- 1 - Hoopla - (L-11)

sorasgoof

- 4 - CryMeARiver, Fate, Super Awesome Mega Pimp!, Porkens - (L-8)

Players not voting: 12keyblade, Budja, DrippingGoofball, Manho, Sando, SerialClergyman, sorasgoof, Zang, Zoiaum

Okay this is stupid. My vote is staying.

[Parama]

half this town isn't in any way logical.

[Parama]

Also, Zoiaum and 12keyblade have yet to post in the thread.

[Parama]

Also, Zoiaum and 12keyblade have yet to post in the thread.

And CMAR is active lurking.

[Parama]

Also this vote is still better.

##unvote,
##vote: manho

[Parama]

Are you going to keep posting pointless filler?

[Parama]

Zang obviously isn't reading the thread.

[Parama]

Ellibereth is always serious.
I don't like Socrates' reads at all.

[Parama]

Ellibereth is always serious.
I don't like Socrates' reads at all.

Maybe he's like Yosarian. His reads are awful, but they are not indicative of alignment.

Socrates is town. You can take it to the bank.

For example, the guy with a scum read on a confirmed townie is a VI, not scum.

[Parama]

Part of my last post is missing.

EBWOP:

Ellibereth is always serious.
I don't like Socrates' reads at all.

Maybe he's like Yosarian. His reads are awful, but they are not indicative of alignment.

Socrates is town. You can take it to the bank.

I almost never judge someone's alignment based on their reads.
For example, the guy with a scum read on a confirmed townie is a VI, not scum.

[Parama]

mb, change your goddamn avatar. That's not funny.

[Parama]

mb, change your goddamn avatar. That's not funny.

I think it's cool

It was animated before. And it was a whole lot less cool.

[Parama]

Honestly, I don't give a crap either way, since I've already claimed.

[Parama]

Honestly, I don't give a crap either way, since I've already claimed.

So it's irrelevent to the game if you've already claimed?

More that my opinion wouldn't mean much.

[Parama]

Okay, SC's post leads to a

nay

vote from me on massclaim.

[Parama]

Your thoughts on manho? He's tied for the biggest wagon IIRC.

[Parama]

Also, I'm pretty sure my last post in this thread was yesterday. I'm not lurking.

Your last meaningful post in this thread was never.

Soras, if you don't get it, you're active lurking. Which is like lurking except 100 times scummier.

[Parama]

##unvote, ##vote: sorasgoof

Wow... he's scumhunting... YOU. Nice OMGUS bro.

[Parama]

You can't replace out of this game.
Stop with the AtE.

[Parama]

Okay soras, any particular reason for those particular votes? You obviously favor those 6 as scum over the rest. And yes I realize I'm part of "those 6".

[Parama]

I don't feel like participating in this game right now. All this arguing over massclaiming and statistics is pointless.

[Parama]

## unvote
## vote: manho

[Parama]

I don't feel like participating in this game right now. All this arguing over massclaiming and statistics is pointless.

I agree, I am bored with it. But I like my vote and I still think you and soras are scumbuddies.

lolololololololololol

[Parama]

I don't get why we're wagoning soras.
Oddly enough, manho is scummiest, so I'm voting manho.
Soras wagon feels scum driven.

Or maybe it's an RL wagon and we got lucky, yet you are worried for your scumbuddy

You must be blind then.

I still lololololololol

[Parama]

Be more scummy please.

Start paying attention.

DGB, Manho is a main suspect and I'm just going back to the wagon. I started it and all.

[Parama]

Be more scummy please.

Start paying attention.

DGB, Manho is a main suspect and I'm just going back to the wagon. I started it and all.

I am paying attention to you defending sorasgoof, a scumspect of many.

Where am I defending soras?

[Parama]

DGB, Manho is a main suspect and I'm just going back to the wagon. I started it and all.

What is the case?

If you were reading you'd know.

[Parama]

OR.
I follow the wagon that I personally feel is most likely to lynch scum. Soras just seems frustrated town now, manho is lurkin' and he's still scum.

[Parama]

Hmm...
Okay, I think I have it figured out.
Soras is scum.
DGB is super defending to make herself look like confused town when soras flips scum. Is leading an attack on Pome because Pome is an easy target and because Pome agrees with my manho read.
Manho is scum. DGB doesn't understand why by DGB doesn't want to read a case on a scumbuddy.
Zoaium is lurkerscum. Just need to have one of these.
Faraday or Porkens is probably the last scum on the list.

These people are definitely town:
12Keyblade
SerialClergyman

[Parama]

EBWOP:
DGB doesn't understand why because DGB doesn't want to read a case on a scumbuddy.

[Parama]

I will respectfully agree to disagree with some of your reads.
Was dramonic ever on my town list? The two there are the most shining examples of towniness in this game.

[Parama]

just ios'ed sorasgoof, and he is town.

.
Soras is scum.
Manho is scum. DGB doesn't understand why by DGB doesn't want to read a

Hey look! Manho calls soras town without providing any reason!

[Parama]

12keyblade radiates towniness even if he's only posted a few times.
Pomegranate is probably town.

[Parama]

Soras needs to claim a few hours ago.

[Parama]

BTW guys I think soras is at L-1

<_<

[Parama]

Soras needs to claim a few hours ago.

Hi Scum.

Lol.
Why do people always think claims should only be at L-1?
Here's why they shouldn't be! Might get quickhammered!
Like this!

##unvote

##vote: sorasgoof

This is why you don't wait until L-1 to claim.
Yes, I'm proving a point.

[Parama]

Hammering is really fun BTW.

[Parama]

Proving a point. Quickhammer was intentional. Am I scum for it? If you want me to be~

[Parama]

It was a scumslip, don't worry.

[Parama]

I don't feel like letting him speak. It's not like we have to wait 72 hours for a night phase and all.

[Parama]

I still don't support the soras wagon by the way.

[Parama]

I still don't support the soras wagon by the way.

Says the hammer.

I proved a point. Don't you hate me for it?

[Parama]

But it's something that's generally ignored that I think is stupid.
Don't wait until L-1 for a claim!

[Parama]

But it's something that's generally ignored that I think is stupid.
Don't wait until L-1 for a claim!

You hammered someone you didn't suspect of scum at all just to prove a point?

Yup.

[Parama]

Obviously it worked
It's not like we don't have MLs, and he was on my 5-man scumlist anyways.

[Parama]

Sure thing bro. I'm nilla town who tried to take janitor. If that makes me scum I don't know what does

[Parama]

Well it's not like a claim would've saved him anyways.

(unless he tried to fakeclaim mason)

I can name 5 things wrong with this post

[Parama]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to Lynch : 12

Dramonic

- 1 - Ellibereth - (L-11)

Fate

- 2 - Sando, Socrates - (L-10)

Pomegranate

- 3 - Hoopla, Faraday, SerialClergyman - (L-9)

sorasgoof

- 12 - CryMeARiver, Zoiaum, Pomegranate, DrippingGoofball, Parama, 12keyblade, Zang, Porkens, Fate, PranaDevil, Super Awesome Mega Pimp!, Dramonic - (L-0)

Players not voting:Budja, manho, mb53, sorasgoof

Well it's not like a claim would've saved him anyways.

(unless he tried to fakeclaim mason)

Pretty much, I'm not all that unhappy with how it went. Scum tries to force a fairly meaningless claim from a known PR, then quickhammers.

This is hilariously hypocritical.

[Parama]

You're yelling at me for hammering and then you're saying you're not unhappy with how it went.

[Parama]

Okay the proper term is contradictory but "hilariously contradictory" doesn't have the same ring to it.

[Parama]

Whoops I'm getting players mixed up. 12keyblade was the one yelling at me.

But here's the contradiction I was referring to:

Where did I ever say he shouldn't claim?

---> Implying you wanted him to claim

Pretty much, I'm not all that unhappy with how it went. Scum tries to force a fairly meaningless claim from a known PR, then quickhammers.

---> Saying you didn't care if he claimed or not

Also agreeing with SAMP's terrible 669 is a scumtell in itself.

[Parama]

Go for it. Intentionally putting myself in the spotlight with a quickhammer to prove a point nobody cares about really helped draw out the scum if I'd say so myself. My scumlist has changed for the better.

[Parama]

Go for it. Intentionally putting myself in the spotlight with a quickhammer to prove a point nobody cares about really helped draw out the scum if I'd say so myself. My scumlist has changed for the better.

How so?

Sando is scum
SAMP is scum

[Parama]

Fate is town.
Lynches I am up for, in this order:
SAMP
Manho
DGB

##vote Super Awesome Mega Pimp!

[Parama]

Also Serial dying is very sad since he was the most obvtown player ever. Do we not have a doc or something? Or were they just a lazy doc?

[Parama]

Also, fun fact: There are more scum motives for quickhammering scum then there are town motives.

[Parama]

Oh, missed Pome's stuff.
By making a fun assumption I am assuming Porkens is either the other vig or the scum. And it's a safe bet that scum shot SC, not the vig.

##unvote

##vote: Porkens

Double quicklynch GOGO!

[Parama]

Fate, do random fun facts like that make me look scummier or townier?

[Parama]

I think having a kill only every other night makes the vig want to shoot as much as possible. I know I would. But bleh.

[Parama]

Gah, two towns dead. GG on quickhammer parama. You're still not off the hook.

Also, fun fact: There are more scum motives for quickhammering scum then there are town motives.

Thanks, I know.

[Parama]

I must be the only player who hatches sinister plots regardless of alignment. I think that's an issue.
Also, called Pome being town, you can thank me for it later. And don't lynch anybody until Porkens gets back, pleeeeeeeease.

[Parama]

Neat-o observation I made.
If we have a Universal Backup, they just turned into a vig. And scum taking universal backup is unlikely considering that they can get all the roles they ever wanted from good drafting.

[Parama]

Too bad.
We caught both scum vigs. Epic win.

[Parama]

DOC YOU BETTA PROTECT POME

[Parama]

Hmm...
Okay, I think I have it figured out.

Soras

is scum.
DGB is super defending to make herself look like confused town when soras flips scum. Is leading an attack on Pome because Pome is an easy target and because Pome agrees with my manho read.
Manho is scum. DGB doesn't understand why by DGB doesn't want to read a case on a scumbuddy.
Zoaium is lurkerscum. Just need to have one of these.
Faraday or

Porkens

is probably the last scum on the list.

These people are definitely town:
12Keyblade

SerialClergyman

Just lynch off this list and we're set methinks. Though maybe replace Zoaium with SAMP.

[Parama]

Do we know for sure that there is a universal backup?

[Parama]

Faraday, if we keep lynching off my list we can problem get a perfect game. That's how sure I am of my current reads.

For those who missed it, the remaining scum are:
DGB
Porkens
Manho
SAMP

GG.

[Parama]

The arguments for Parama-town

1. I claimed instantaneously announcing my vanillaness and that scum have a janitor. I prompted the janitor to claim if they are town. Do you know what this means?

If the last scum alive is the janitor, everyone below me is clear.

2. Look at my scumlist. There have already been 2 scum on it. Sure, I'd bus as scum, but there's no reason to put TWO buddies on a scumlist on D1

3. My role PM

Manho wanted me to vig myself, I think. Lol.

[Parama]

Manho, argument 1 is all I really need. If I was scum and claimed janitor, then I would know town has a janitor. I prompted the janitor to claim if they were town. So obviously janitor is scum. And scum usually don't both pick the same role.

Logically, I cannot be scum, regardless of whether you see it or not. I love how you are attacking me because I've been itching to get you lynched since the start of the game.

Your counterproof for 2 is irrelevant because each player plays differently.

The real question is why you would target a claimed vanilla to themself.

If you're town, find someone and direct them to SAMP for me please. A cop is the optimal option. If he's jan he won't dare use his power if there's the risk of tracker being on him. I want him dead but Porkens needs to die first.

[Parama]

and what is the use asking me to direct someone to SAMP? you can just ask the vig to kill him or ask a cop to investigate him. the most effective way to use my power is to kill the scum who is making the kill.

Personally, I'd like the info it would provide if we lynched him - the wagon would have something to tell us as will the current Porkens wagon. Of course if you redirect the vig to SAMP then it doesn't matter anyways

SAMP is scum for the post-lynch comment that is just _terrible_

[Parama]

Fate is town. Sando is null for me. Dram too. SAMP is scum, manho is scum, and DGB is probably the last scum.

[Parama]

Two votes won't be counted because of the ## being necessary.
Lolz.

[Parama]

NOOO MY LIST OF AWESOME

##vote: DrippingGoofball

[Parama]

Actually I changed my mind.

##unvote

##vote: Zoiaum

Sando is definitely town by the way.

[Parama]

Hmm....

sorasgoof

- CryMeARiver,

Zoiaum

,

Pomegranate

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Parama

,

12keyblade

, Zang,

Porkens

,

Fate

,

PranaDevil

,

Super Awesome Mega Pimp!

, Dramonic

Porkens

-

Pomegranate

,

Parama

,

Socrates

,

Super Awesome Mega Pimp!

,

PranaDevil

, Ellibereth,

mb53

,

manho

,

12keyblade

,

DrippingGoofball

Hmm... one of my null reads on those wagons is scum... and unfortunately I think one of my town reads on the Porkens wagon is also scum.
DGB is less likely to be scum out of the two scum reads here. I'd be shocked if there weren't 3 scum on the soras wagon.

The two weakest of my town reads are probably Prana and Socrates. Bleh.
I may have to change DGB to a null read in future lists.

[Parama]

Also Pome when you get back I'm interested in your investigation results.

[Parama]

Oh, I forgot one thing.
Players not on either wagon:
Faraday, Hoopla, Sando
If any of these are scum, it's probably Faraday, though IMO scum would want to bus one of the two for some town cred. So these three all get town points from me.

[Parama]

Olive = townish reads
Brown = scummish reads

I have reconsidered my read on you if you care. I tried to make the colors speak for themselves but sure I can explain them.

[Parama]

Para: I missed why you said Sando was town.

His behavior + his placement on the draft.
I don't think scum would crowd three of there members into the top 4 if they could avoid it. Really, it benefits them to have a few scum farther down the list.
DGB, 12keyblade is town. Do not argue this with me. If I am wrong then I deserve to lose because of it.

[Parama]

So by your theory:

sorasgoof

- CryMeARiver, Zoiaum,

Pomegranate

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Parama

,

12keyblade

, Zang,

Porkens

, Fate,

PranaDevil

,

Super Awesome Mega Pimp!

, Dramonic

Porkens

-

Pomegranate

,

Parama

, Socrates,

Super Awesome Mega Pimp!

,

PranaDevil

, Ellibereth, mb53,

manho

,

12keyblade

,

DrippingGoofball

Leaves us a lot of lynching room.
And tbh I think both mb and Prana are town.

[Parama]

NEWSFLASH:
Sando is town.
Zoiaum is scum.

[Parama]

NEWSFLASH:
Sando is town.
Zoiaum is scum.

You're wrong, you're town, but you're wrong.

You're the more wrong one.

Okay, look at it this way: There is almost certainly one scum between DGB and Zoiaum. Who is more likely scum between the two? Definitely Zoiaum.

[Parama]

Okay w/e

##unvote

[Parama]

No, No, Possibly

ALSO CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN THE DRAMONIC CASE TO ME I MUST HAVE MISSED IT

[Parama]

DGB lurn to switch accounts plz

[Parama]

##vote: dramonic

I feel like wagoning today. I don't feel like scumhunting. Bleh.

[Parama]

12Keyblade is town dammit

[Parama]

Shining towniness examples:
This quote:

Your thoughts on manho? He's tied for the biggest wagon IIRC.

I'm not sure which side he's on yet. While I understand the wagon, he seems to be genuinely trying.

Everything around the time where I hammered soras starting here continuing over next couple of pages.

My read stays. Woot.

[Parama]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to Lynch : 9

Sando

- 1 -

mb53

- (L-8)

mb53

- 1 -

Sando

- (L-8)

Dramonic

- 6 -

Fate

,

Ellibereth

,

PranaDevil

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Socrates

,

Parama

- (L-3)

Zoiaum

- 1 - ,

Hoopla

- (L-8)

Players not voting 7 : 12keyblade, CryMeARiver, Dramonic, Faraday, Pomegranate, Zang, Zoiaum

Oh hell, I just figured out...
*facepalm* A little early for that IMO, Prana.

[Parama]

Prana and Zoiaum are confirmed town, gg.

[Parama]

Prana is town because I figured out what the "role-related" information is.
CCs to vig? <_<

##unvote

[Parama]

Well, even if he is scum dram has to follow the town's orders now else be lynched, so we're not going to lynch him... yet.

[Parama]

Okay Faraday is a good lynch.
Active lurking, indecisive language, not really doing much on his own, seems to be solely following others.

##vote: Faraday

[Parama]

Wow perfect timing Faraday. Thanks for giving an example of that indecisive wishy-washy language of yours.

[Parama]

Active lurking:

i'll actually read this thread in full later after i catch up in another game.

If you have some reason to think someone's town, give it. Not doing so only serves to attempt to confuse the town, and (if anything) make both the person saying it, and the person being called it, look scummy as far as I'm concerned.

lol.

you sound bitter

Bandwagong ho!

serial is pomegranate scum?

is dramonic a good vote people? i'll read him in isolation and decide. i see people saying we should wagon him.

i voted for pomegranate because Sc told me to. he's a good guy.

Indecisive, passive language:

Saw it. Doesn't mean I read it.
Usually games take place in game topics, just saying.

eh this seems possible, but it's very odd at the same time.

hmm removing pom. and soras and porkens are scum. there's probably more scum here too,

i think parama might be unlikely scum.

hey dram picking the ultimate back up that high seems weird?

What I take: Not willing to make any serious commitments, just trying to appeal to the town while providing little to no scumhunting yourself.

Sounds like scum to me.

[Parama]

do you understand what wishy washy means?

BUMP

It means you're using weak, noncommittal language.

[Parama]

Why take a punt on a 25% chance in Group 9 now?

I'm scumhunting. Screw the draft order, scum can still be anywhere on the list.
If you are implying that you think one of the 9-group is scum, Faraday is far and away the most likely scum. Really he's the only one I'd consider for scum right now.

[Parama]

You're using words like "weird" and "odd" instead of "scummy" and "bad". Townies can do a lot of "weird" and "odd" things, but scum are a lot more more likely to do "scummy" and "bad" things.
And stuff like "might" and "probably" show an unwillingness to make a stance.
When I first played scum I played more passively because I was afraid that if I was too aggressive I would look like I was pushing a lynch without a real case. Scum don't have to be sure on their reads because the more they leave themselves open to change the easier it is to slip onto a townie wagon with a good reason.
Townies need to make solid stances on things because if nobody makes a solid stance then the scum will dominate the game.
It's not that you might possible be scum because of odd and weird things you have done... it's that you ARE scum because of your scummy behavior.

Kk? Anyone want to join the wagon that will lead us to our third scum lynch?

[Parama]

2.)Dramonic
8.)mb53
9.)Parama
10.)Zoiaum
12.)Super Awesome Mega Pimp!
21.)12keyblade

taking prana devil out of my scum list got a good feeling about him. 2 scum in here @ a guess. probably wrong about someone as usual.

1. SAMP died. He's not going to be scum.
2. If Prana is town (which he is) then Zoiaum also has to be town.
3. mb is the very last person on the draft list, thus very unlikely to be scum.

Your list should look like this:
2.)Dramonic
9.)Parama
21.)12keyblade

Dramonic claimed vig, even if he is scum we're leaving him alive for now so we can direct his kills.
I know I am not scum.
12keyblade is a strong town read for me.

Try again.
Also thanks for throwing in another "probably" and giving yourself an easy way to bail out of your reads with "probably wrong about someone as usual."

[Parama]

When I first ...

^ i'm not you. this makes the rest of your post invalid as you're applying things you do as scum to me.

I like the way you reinforces how townie you ARE by stating I AM scum and using capital letters. that whole post was ridiculous btw.

I know you are not me. But I know how scum play. Most scum I've seen tend to be passive in their approach so that they're less likely to get called out for being on ML wagons - they try to make their vote as justified as possible.
It's not just me who plays passive scum, but I was using my experience as an example. Try again.

[Parama]

Cool. I don't think it is, therefore I'm not going to change my vote.

[Parama]

DGB, thoughts on Faraday? Please tell me I'm not insane and Faraday is scum.

[Parama]

what do you think of the chances of him killing his scummates if he's scum.

Ah, wonderful question. Allow me to answer.
If Dramonic is scum-vig, he will happily shoot townies without any second thoughts. However if we guide him to shoot a scumbuddy and he doesn't do such, we catch 2 scum! Especially if this shot comes after a guided kill to a townie.

[Parama]

However if we guide him to shoot a scumbuddy and he doesn't do such, we catch 2 scum! Especially if this shot comes after a guided kill to a townie.

He's just shoot his buddy for extra town-cred.

Yeah my scenario is if he doesn't shoot the buddy. The shoot scenario is good as well because it ends up in a dead scum. Win-win situation, hear?

[Parama]

I see scum.
I'm lynching them.

[Parama]

;_;

##unvote

##vote: dramonic

since it's inevitable anyways

[Parama]

I've been thinking about asking the JANITOR if town, to claim. Thoughts?

I asked for a town-jan claim in my very first post :/

[Parama]

Nobody ever listens to me... I've seen good things happen when people listen to me...

[Parama]

It's because Fate is town. Go figure.

[Parama]

##unvote

[Parama]

Dramonic, Zoiaum is town if Prana is town. And Prana is town. Otherwise I'd be up for lynching Zoi... but I'm pretty sure I know what the role related information is and if I'm right then Zoi is most certainly town.
Sando is town too, which is most a gut feeling.
Try again.

[Parama]

I want the hammer, that's why I unvoted

[Parama]

Oh, dramonic isn't even reading the thread. gg.
I thought that was common knowledge by now.

[Parama]

Yeah I figured Prana and Zoi were the masons once he announced this "role related information"
I hate not being on in the middle of the night. I wanted to hammer that wagon
Anyone have any ideas? Any trackers have any results?

[Parama]

A double post is a great start.
Pome I think you should give all your tracker reports today (well, N2 and N3) since you're probably going to get killed tonight now that the doc is dead.

[Parama]

Fun party list of townies:
DGB
Fate
Parama
Prana
Pome
12keyblade
Sando

3 of these are confirmed btw. (Me, Pome, Prana)
Though 12keyblade is lurkin' now... bleh.

[Parama]

Theory: both scum were on the dram wagon!

[Parama]

Thanks for that monster post detailing why 12kb is your top scum pick, I really appreciated it.
Hmm... Gunsmith should claim today I think. There's only 3 people above the Vanilla Gunsmith and odds are at least one scum is still above me. Mafia might already know the gunsmith anyways. Plus it'd be nice to have a few more clear results, because the reports will be real since I don't see mafia taking gunsmith if they had 2 (later 3) vigs <.<

[Parama]

I THINK THE SCUM ARE GOING TO SHOOT POME TONIGHT BECAUSE SHE IS DANGEROUS TO THEM. BUT THAT IS ALSO ROLE RELATED INFO IIRC. OOPS. DID I JUST CLAIM SCUM? EXCUSE ME.

On that note I still want Pome's reports :/

[Parama]

Hey Hoopla thanks for the scumbuddy defense of Socrates. He was anti-mc all of day one btw.

Nice AtE, never thought you'd sink so low.

BEEEEEEEP

##vote: Hoopla

[Parama]

BEEP

This is stupid.

[Parama]

I'm assuming you tracked dramonic to his kill yesterday?

[Parama]

##vote: Ellibereth

You traitor

[Parama]

Kk hold off on votes for a while, Elli might self-hammer if we put him at L-1.
GET THOSE NIGHT ACTIONS IN!!!

[Parama]

Wait Prana posted twice. We can still have one more vote for safety purposes.
AFTER THIS WE LYNCH BELOW ME PLEASE. THERE IS SCUM THERE. I GUARANTEE IT. I WOULD GO SO FAR AS TO CLEAR EVERYONE ABOVE ME WHO'S NOT ELLI.

[Parama]

OH HELL

[Parama]

I have terrible reads always

[Parama]

10,1 Pomegranate

3,6 Socrates
5,15 Drippinggoofball
7,3 Fate

7,11 Parama

4,5 PranaDevil

4,7 CryMeARiver
4,8 12keyblade
9,2 Zang
9,4 Faraday
9,15 mb53

For reference. Just putting the confirmed townies in green.

[Parama]

I SAID LYNCH FARADAY TWO DAYS AGO AND YOU CALLED ME AN IDIOT, FATE
I AM NOT PLEASED

[Parama]

Jailkeeper on Pome plz

[Parama]

Not yet. I have a vote and I'll make it count.

Vote: Ellibereth

.

[Parama]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to Lynch : 7

Ellibereth

- 5 -

Fate

,

PranaDevil

,

Parama

,

Zang

, ,

Pomegranate

- (L-2)

Players not voting - 7 - 12keyblade, CryMeARiver, DrippingGoofball, Ellibereth, Faraday, mb53, Socrates

NO NO ELLI MUST DIE

[Parama]

Shoot me, I'm the Prime Number Night Vigilante

[Parama]

If you're dead in all but one games you haven't been doing proper planning. I'm always alive in 3 games because I never let myself drop below 4 if there's a risk of getting killed. And if I feel I'm about to get killed I join a new one.
I also make sure I'm not in more than 5 games at a time.
Managing games is rather irrelevant though.

[Parama]

Gogo conditional jailkeep.
Jailkeeper, copy + paste this:

Code: Select all

[b]If Elli is lynched in the next 36 hours: Switch Pom jailkeep to FATE. Once past, permanently lock onto POM. Thank you.[/b]

[Parama]

1337 post.

[Parama]

It was too good of an opportunity to pass up, forgive me.
Someone vote Elli so DGB can hammer.

[Parama]

Yes because Faraday is scum

[Parama]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to Lynch : 7

Ellibereth

- 7 -

Fate

,

PranaDevil

,

Parama

,

Zang

,

Pomegranate

,

Ellibereth

,

DrippingGoofball

- (L-0)

Players not voting - 5 - 12keyblade, CryMeARiver, Faraday, mb53, Socrates[/area]

There's really not much to add to a case I've already made which is already valid enough to lynch you. It's just that people don't understand it.
I do love the ad hominem attack though.

[Parama]

##vote: Faraday

We're massclaiming today. From bottom to top, like was suggested.

3,6 Socrates - Janitor
5,15 Drippinggoofball - Vanilla Watcher (SC Watcher)
7,3 Fate - ???
7,11 Parama - Vanilla Janitor (Socrates Janitor)
4,5 PranaDevil - Mason ???
4,7 CryMeARiver - ???
4,8 12keyblade - ???
9,2 Zang - ???
9,4 Faraday - ???
9,15 mb53 - Vanilla Universal Backup (dramonic UBU)

No point in not claiming now. We have 2 confirmed towns alive, let's get a few more.

[Parama]

Mr. I'mNotHere is next.
I can confirm receiving this peach.

3,6 Socrates - Janitor
5,15 Drippinggoofball - Vanilla Watcher (SC Watcher)
7,3 Fate - ???
7,11 Parama - Vanilla Janitor (Socrates Janitor)
4,5 PranaDevil - Mason ???
4,7 CryMeARiver - ???
4,8 12keyblade - ???
9,2 Zang - Fruit Vendor
9,4 Faraday - Vanilla Jailkeeper
9,15 mb53 - Vanilla Universal Backup (dramonic UBU)

[Parama]

Sorry I must've missed it.

3,6 Socrates - Janitor
5,15 Drippinggoofball - Vanilla Watcher (SC Watcher)
7,3 Fate - ???
7,11 Parama - Vanilla Janitor (Socrates Janitor)
4,5 PranaDevil - Mason ???
4,7 CryMeARiver - Vanilla Gunsmith
4,8 12keyblade - ???
9,2 Zang - Fruit Vendor
9,4 Faraday - Vanilla Jailkeeper
9,15 mb53 - Vanilla Universal Backup (dramonic UBU)

Gonna have to wait a while for 12keyblade :/

[Parama]

Been 5 days since his last post in this thread, btw.
Stop lurking please.

[Parama]

vanilla who went for jailkeeper.

Jailkeeper is town or Pom would have been roleblocked. So yeah.

"Jailkeeper is town because if I was jailkeeper I would have roleblocked Pome. So yeah."

[Parama]

He's going to get modkilled at this rate. But honestly I'm not waiting around for him.
But well...
3,6 Socrates - Janitor
5,15 Drippinggoofball - Vanilla Watcher (SC Watcher)
7,3 Fate - ???
7,11 Parama - Vanilla Janitor (Socrates Janitor)
4,5 PranaDevil - Mason Vanilla Neighborizer
4,7 CryMeARiver - Vanilla Gunsmith
4,8 12keyblade - ???
9,2 Zang - Fruit Vendor
9,4 Faraday - Vanilla Jailkeeper
9,15 mb53 - Vanilla Universal Backup (dramonic UBU)

Either 12kb or Fate is the jailkeeper

[Parama]

Okay lemme color code this based on roles.

3,6 Socrates - Janitor

5,15 Drippinggoofball - Vanilla Watcher (SC Watcher)

7,3 Fate - ???

7,11 Parama - Vanilla Janitor (Socrates Janitor)
4,5 PranaDevil - Mason Vanilla Neighborizer (Elli Neighborizer)

4,7 CryMeARiver - Vanilla Gunsmith (Sando Gunsmith)

4,8 12keyblade - ???

9,2 Zang - Fruit Vendor

9,4 Faraday - Vanilla Jailkeeper (??? Jailkeeper)
9,15 mb53 - Vanilla Universal Backup (dramonic UBU)

Me and Prana are confirmed...
CMAR taking gunsmith as scum doesn't make sense if they already had both vigs.
Fruit Vendor is worthless to scum, plus Zang didn't even dice roll.
If scum had both vigs, watcher definitely wouldn't be a top pick.
Claimed janitor is worthless because they can't use their power, and a lack of jans before the claim makes Socrates likely town.
I could go either way on jailkeeper. Having a roleblock helps scum, but they have no use for the protection aspect if they have all the vigs.

[Parama]

CMAR, Prana is totally mason aka confirmed town and he confirms me as town through Zoiaum protects.

[Parama]

CMAR, Prana is totally mason aka confirmed town and he confirms me as town through Zoiaum protects.

1) Was it ever specified that the role of mason is confirmed town?
2) Was he on you each night? Idk how I missed this.

1) Yes you derp mason is confirmed town. That's a ridiculous question to ask.
2) Zoiaum was on me N1.

[Parama]

If mb53 is vanilla to a scum pick wouldn't that make him more town? <.<

[Parama]

Pome's N1 track was Porkens, lol.

[Parama]

Prana, I just had a premonition that the next time I enter a game with you, you'll definitely be scum.

[Parama]

I'm always maybe town.

[Parama]

As SpyreX, our wonderful mod, would put it...

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!! NOW!!!

[Parama]

Placing bets that 12kb gets modkilled for inactivity. Anyone else in?
And Faraday need to die. I've made my case - I made it a while back. Now it's up to you guys to act upon it.

[Parama]

HE WON'T SHOW UP I AM BETTING MY LIFE ON IT (MY LIFE IN THIS MAFIA GAME)

[Parama]

2 more! Go go go!

[Parama]

2 more! Go go go!

[Parama]

god i hate people who sign up for games

Fix'd.

[Parama]

Make something happen plz.

[Parama]

ZANG IS MY HERO

[Parama]

##vote: 12keyblade

Lol.

[Parama]

It's 10 days without posting, not a full day/night cycle.

[Parama]

##unvote, vote: mb53

Screw it, I'm wagoning for the rest of this game.

[Parama]

##unvote
##vote: mb53

Needs to be in separate lines IIRC :/

[Parama]

There's only one scum left.

[Parama]

w/e I just want this game to end because it's boring with only one scum left

[Parama]

SpyreX your parser thinks Faraday is still alive please fix that. Lynch is 5 votes not 6.

[Parama]

If that wasn't the hammer

##unvote
##vote: 12keyblade

then that was

[Parama]

1.) Did you like the game?
2.) Did you let the setup?
3.) What would you keep?
4.) What would you change?

1. Yep even though I was vanilla.
2. Assuming you meant "like", yeah it was pretty cool though the scum managed to get 3 vigs <.<
3. Most everything
4. I still don't see the point of Fruit Vendor other than the fact that it allows you to confirm your role. Though it's a funny role I guess

[Parama]

I want to apologize to manho and Faraday for tunneling them