Mini 944- Town Suav├® - TAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANK!!!!! (over)

[Nikanor]

Nobody Special

: SpyreX, Parama,

Dramonic

,

ConfidAnon

, muzzz,

farside22

,

Nachomamma8

Let's play "find the scum on this wagon," shall we? The day two lynch is pretty useless info-wise, but day one is decent.
muzzz:
Scummy place on the wagon, and crappy reasoning for a vote. NS was 5th on muzzz's suspect list, meaning that muzzz was effectively neutral on NS, right?
Wrong.
muzzz thought that NS was scummy. Yet he put NS behind every other conceivably scummy person, including Parama, who muzzz only mentioned twice that day.

Vote: muzzz.

It's either muzzz or Parama today. Maybe even both are scum. Paramascum makes sense for the Nacho kill, but I'm not about to lynch someone on NK-analysis alone.

[SpyreX]

I'm still trying to figure out why the hell you'd kill a cop that just powerbombed a bad investigation?

[DTMaster]

@Spy
Did you address Nikanor in that question? Amiright?

@Par

SpyreX, assuming you were the shot at dramonic then why did you shoot him after Nik said this? :/

Question: How did you know Spy targeted Dram before Spy claimed?

Is it me or does this look like a slip from someone who knew what happened last night. I reread the start of the day and :S.

@Muzz

If I didn't have those scummy vibes from you I might agree but LL gives information in my view and has contributed nothing to the game that wasn't said by others. (Again you miss this point)
information = good
lynching a player that isn't offering anything = good

I'm not missing anything. My last post wasn't about which of Locke/Spy is the better lynch in general, but about whether the Locke/Spy connection is a valid argument to lynch Locke first.

I have actually considered your points. And while those arguments are valid, they lead me to different people. If you want info, lynch me or Spy. That way you can also connect Par. And if you want to lynch a non-contributor you could line up half the town, with Dramonic being a mile ahead of everyone else.

In short, I agree that Locke is probably scum. I just think there are far better lynches to be had today.

Actually I caught something here via exchange with Farside:

a. Muzz commented within the case scenario of information lynches, and anti-town lynches. What I like about Muzz in this post is that Muzz makes the distinction of lynching his top scum suspects rather then lynching the person with the most informational links. Muzz stuck to his guns.

b. This is consistent with his earlier posts with his stance on duckduck. LL link with duck which Farside also brought up.

So part of that scum list makes sense in context. I'm going to reread the links between Muzz -> Spy/Dram scum calls and Muzz -> Dram/NS scum calls because they conflict. Part of the Spy case lies with Dram being town, and vise versa. Not once did Muzz call out bussing/distancing so it looked like Muzz was cycling through Dram with his other scum calls.

Mod can you prod Muzz. He hasn't posted since Wed the 14th granted, part of that was my fault but still ><

[Parama]

@Par

SpyreX, assuming you were the shot at dramonic then why did you shoot him after Nik said this? :/

Question: How did you know Spy targeted Dram before Spy claimed?

Is it me or does this look like a slip from someone who knew what happened last night. I reread the start of the day and :S.

I don't see why he would target a claimed cop even if they did end up MLing yesterday.

[MrSuave]

I have been informed he is stranded because of the ash =/

[DTMaster]

:<<<<. Temporary replacement? Ask DGB :3

[muzzz]

Sorry for the delay everyone. Blame Iceland.

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@Nik: just because I'm V/LA doesn't mean you can pretend I said things. I never said in which order I posted my scumlist. And I mentioned Par

way

more than twice.

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@DTM: I'm not sure if you want a reply to 502. But if you do, I'll have to ask you to rephrase the last paragraph in there, because I'm not sure I get what you're saying there.

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@Spy: you ignored the questions I asked you just before I went V/LA. Why?

Also, I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to figure out that a confirmed-insane cop is just as good as a regular one. So why are you surprised that Farside is dead?

[DTMaster]

Ack sorry. I was responding to Nik's point about you.

Tl:dr version/edited since the first one was unclear. Now I have exams and will be back later today/tomorrow with a refreshed head to think.

1. Muzz gained townie points because his case on Spy/duck -> LL is consistant all game before the V/LA.

2. Muzz kept to his top scum picks, rather then jump onto the LL attacks that farside did.

3. The read on NS/Dram conflict with the reads on Spy/LL. They are on opposite spectrum and the only real thing that I see is that in order of progression it makes sense how Muzz ordered his scum list. However, Muzz didn't link Spy/LL to NS/Dram. There was no distancing/bussing argument that I can see.

[SpyreX]

@Spy: you ignored the questions I asked you just before I went V/LA. Why?

Also, I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to figure out that a confirmed-insane cop is just as good as a regular one. So why are you surprised that Farside is dead?

I could also probably be persuaded to give NEW AND EXCITING reasons (hint: NS's interactions with the two of them) for these choices.

If I have to detail I will, but I'd also like others to go back and read it and see if I'm losing my mind.

What were these other "questions"?

And, yea I'm not very smart. I mean, afterall, its totally like she is even from the grave obviously insane and there wasn't things like drivers or framers OR god forbid she was naive.

And, really, its not like she pulled one of those awesome "gambits" that got flack and then "told the truth" which "got a town lynched" that would have been a fairly easy mislynch if she was kept alive.

I'm really not sure what I think about DTM not saying anything about Nik's "gambit".

I do like this though:

Unvote, Vote: muzz

[DTMaster]

@Nik's gambit is something he does a lot on IRC.

He claimed Cop as Tracker and , etc. :S. He's reflecting this. I can pull a paste-bin I think from the IRC records.

[Parama]

By the way I think that's L-1. I'd request a claim but it's likely vanilla anyways.
TBH I am on this wagon for reasons totally unrelated to what you guys are doing. Muzzz was scum D1; Muzzz is still scum D3.

DTM I am unsure if you are posting stuff in favor of muzzz-scum or muzzz-town. The argument is too complex for me Care to... explain it better?

[SpyreX]

In THEORY we should be nolynching today I think but nah I'm cool on that.

[Nikanor]

@Nik: just because I'm V/LA doesn't mean you can pretend I said things. I never said in which order I posted my scumlist. And I mentioned Par way more than twice.

If this wasn't bullshit, I'm sure you would have told me the order they actually were in.

DTM ignoring my claim makes me feel better about him.

Parama, would you be okay with lynching 12KB today?

[Parama]

I'd rather 12keyblade get replaced, myself. Considering this is probably Mylo lynching a lurker doesn't seem like a very good idea.

[Nikanor]

That's not what I meant. Take a look at the players alive, excluding yourself:

Nikanor
DTMaster
SpyreX
12Keyblade
muzzz

Who do you think the two scum are out of those five?

[SpyreX]

I forgot keyblade was in this game. True story.

[MrSuave]

Vote Count 10:

Nikanor
DTMaster
Parama
SpyreX
muzzz (3) Parama, Nikanor, SpyreX
12Keyblade

Not Voting:

DTMaster, muzzz, 12Keyblade,

With 6 Alive It Takes

4

to lynch.

[Nikanor]

Unvote.

We probably shouldn't be putting somebody at L-1 in mylo.

[Parama]

If someone quickhammers and then Muzzz flips town, CPR doc takes them out.
If someone quickhammers and then Muzzz flips scum, CPR doc still takes them out
Even so I agree that L-1 isn't a great idea this late in the game. But you already unvoted so I'm just gonna leave my vote on muzzz.

[SpyreX]

I'm leaning on you two being town DESPITE certain events so this doesn't bother me all that much.

[Nikanor]

Parama, you didn't answer my question....

[Parama]

Indeed I did.
Muzzz ofc.
Out of DTM and 12keyblade... DTM still looks rather town to me though it's weakened from my original read. But I can't read 12keyblade because he hasn't said anything >.<

[Nikanor]

I meant that there are probably two scum left. Who do you think the scum is, other than muzzz?

[Parama]

I don't think either you or SpyreX is scum. It's hard to tell who's scum between DTM and 12keyblade because 12kb hasn't really said anything :/ Though 12kb is more likely scum due to my read on DTM.

[Nikanor]

Cool beans.
Why don't you think I'm scum, Parama?