And this one deserves its own post, of course. This sounds JUST LIKE a power role that REALLY wants to live doesn't it?SaintKerrigan wrote: I'll deal with the other posts later. If I'm still alive later.
I'll concede that. But will you not concede how strange Ray's play was this game? "Changing his meta?" Last time I heard that it was from scum in a large 22 player game.MichelSableheart wrote: Fate, have you realized that it is possible for your suspicions to be wrong? It seems to me that you are not openmindedly analysing new information, but rather are actively looking for ways you can twist it so you can keep your suspicion on the same old targets. Please stop tunneling and start thinking.
Your argument that Ray wouldn't have replaced out if he was a tracker is nonsense, simply because Ray replaced out of all his games on the site.
K show me. OH yeah, also show me a single person of competence in mafia who would actually waste a track on a CLAIMED VANILLA WITH 2+ SCUM ALIVE. It doesn't make sense. It isn't good play, its scum play.The tracker fakeclaim you linked to is completely irrelevant. Given a bit of time, I can easily find a game where a town tracker investigated someone who didn't go anywhere, but still kept attacking him.
I don't know what scum are thinking, but that is my theory yes. Plus claiming Cop forces him to give us innocents, and claiming OSV forces him to be provable. Tracker to go a pre-claimed vanilla going nowhere?SK surprised by my gunclaim and afraid of a counterclaim? When he claimed, three players hadn't claimed. Do you honestly believe he didn't expect any of them to claim gun? Also, why wouldn't there be two of the same role in this game?
Possibly. Or maybe you're just letting ScumSoc manipulate you by putting ideas in your head. "Oh yeah that guy makes sense, I can see that now."I completely agree with Socrates that SK's powerrole claim makes sense. Does that make me scum with them?
I find Cyberbob suspicious. If I had a "gun" I'd certainly investigate Thor as my read of him may be off.The fact that you don't suspect Thor and Cyberbob doesn't mean they are automatically town. Your argument that both his scumbuddies claimed before him assumes that you are completely right about your suspicions. As I said before, please be more open minded.
There is every reason SK should remain alive today. The most important one being that he is pro-town.
I have already expressed thoughts on Kerrigan (muddled though they be) I will note as far as the claim goes my comment was that my gut reaction was to believe it, not that I did believe it. I still am not sure if I believe it, but the arguments against nailing a claimed powerrole right at this point seems reasonable.MichelSableheart wrote:Thor, if you believe the claim of SK, why are you still voting him? Either make a case that you actually still belief him to be scum, or vote for one of the other bandwagons. We don't have much time left.
If I may:Kerrigan wrote:First of all, I was third to last to claim, not second to last. Get your damn facts straight. Second of all, WHY THE FUCK WOULD I CLAIM A ROLE THAT IS UNCONVENTIONAL WHEN I COULD HAVE HAD A MUCH EASIER TIME CLAIMING A ROLE THAT NORMALLY HAS A GUN? Pardon the shouting, but your deliberate obtuseness is just sickening to me.
My case against Kerrigan personally is admittedly meh and is based more on weak claim than scummy behavior. I wouldn't call my case against the slot in general "meh" at all. With the exception of Cheshire, RayFrost was in a league of his own.Copper wrote:Pie, by contrast, is pushing SK with largely what looks to be an apathy 'meh' kind of case.
I honestly thought you (all) were better than this, but I'm not about to swing you with deadline looming.Copper wrote:We'll have plenty of time later to discern whether or not it's a fakeclaim, but I will not see a deadline scramble fall on our claimed PR.
Pardon me saying so, but anyone can say "Scum can get away with anything they want as long as they write it off as WIFOM" and use it to try and invalidate legitimate claims. I think that applies here.Pie_is_good wrote:If I may:
Socrates had a quip I liked earlier. Something like "Site meta is currently such that scum can do exactly what they want in a blatantly obvious fashion and have it written off at WIFOM." I think that applies here.
Because I dropped the hammer at approx. one hour till deadline and the likelihood of Fate showing up to claim during that hour was minimal at best?Pie_is_good wrote:Which reminds me, why the Smurf did we not at least get a claim out of Fate before dropping the hammer?
Eh, I guess. This just more speaks to the stupidity of the end-of-day flashmob than any particular fault in play.Thor665 wrote:Because I dropped the hammer at approx. one hour till deadline and the likelihood of Fate showing up to claim during that hour was minimal at best?
I'd prefer any lynch to no lynch (those who said otherwise about SK are being silly). I was more yelling at the constituency who voted Fate because they didn't have the balls to call SK on an awful tracker claim.Thor wrote:Do you think any other lynch was happening? Cyberbob might have floated back to SK as deadline loomed, but both Michel and Copper were clearly not going to vote SK (and neither was SK, I presume)
Pardon me for saying so, but sometimes I wonder about the importance of the bread in the perfect Buffalo Chicken Sandwich. As far as I can remember, I've only ever eaten them on white bread. This can't be an accident - statistically, it would be too unlikely - so it must be the prevailing culinary wisdom that Buffalo Chicken and White Bread just belong together. But that makes me wonder, would the sandwich actually beKerrigan wrote:Pardon me saying so, but anyone can say "Scum can get away with anything they want as long as they write it off as WIFOM" and use it to try and invalidate legitimate claims. I think that applies here.
I understand what you're saying, but is conciseness really all it's cracked up to be? They say too much of a good thing can become a bad thing, but let me tell you: I've had a crapload of Buffalo Chicken Sandwiches recently and it's not even close to a bad thing yet. There's some truth to the idea that the sandwich gets worse over time - diminishing marginal returns, if you will - but that's mostly because your mouth gets slightly used to the tangy deliciousness of the Buffalo sauce and it's not quite as effective the next time it collides with your taste buds. In any case, this effect is offset by the fact that prices diminish just as quickly. A footlong sandwich is usually much less than twice a 6" sandwich, so the price:taste ratio remains about the same.SaintKerrigan wrote:Pie, if you're going to make a point, please be more concise about it instead of launching into an analogous anecdote that can potentially be not understood or misinterpreted from its intended meaning. Thank you.