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Prisonner's Dilemma Reloaded (Over - Final Standings)

Post Post #0 (isolation #0) » Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:28 am

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Prisonner's Dilemma


Principle

- Each player aims is to gain the maximum points.
- There will be 4 rounds of play, each lasting 5 turns.
- For each round, each player will be paired with another player. These player will play together Iterated Prisonner's Dilemma.

Iterated Prisonner's Dilemma - Scoring

- Each turn, the two players choose between "Volunteer" and "Defect". Their reward is based on the two player's choice:
[mrow][col]A Volunteers[col]A DefectsB Volunteers[col]A: 5, B: 5[col]A: 10, B: -10B Defects[col]A: -10, B: 10[col]B: -5, B: -5

- At the end of a round, a player score is the sum of its score at each turn.
- Players that end with a round score strictly lower than 0 lose an additional 10 points.
- Final score of a player is the sum of all its round scores.
- Players are ranked according to their final score.

Other rules

- Unless otherwise stated, players can speak with each other in anyway at any time. I would enjoy if each player pair use the provided quicktopic so that I can reveal everything at the end.
- The first turn of each round will last 48 hours. All other turns will last 24 hours.
- After each turn, I will reveal the choices publicly in the thread.

Special Round rules

After the first round, each round will some additionnal rules:
Round 2 rules wrote:* Players are not paired randomly
* At the beginning of the round, you have 2 days to find a partner. Once you find a partner, both of you must state so in the thread, and you will play the round together.
* Players that have not found a partner with get a -10 penalty after the two days are elapsed and will be paired randomly
Round 3 rules wrote:* Players are paired randomly with someone they didn't already play with.
* Players can't communicate with each other once the pairing are known.
Round 4 rules wrote:* Players are paired together according to current ranking
* This round will last 50 turns instead of 5
* Payouts of each turn are divided by 10, except the last ten, which are only divided by 5.
* You have two days to discuss with your partner.
* After the two days, you must give my an algorithm to decide whether you Volunteer or Defect, based on your opponent previous choice. I will run the two algorithms myself.
Mod Notes

This game should be correctly balanced, as no breaking strategy should exist. Actually, it can be shown that a perfectly rational player will always lose the game. If you feel you have found a loophole in the rules, you are welcome to notify me.

Signups

- Signups will be open for minimum 3 days and until at least 6 players have joined.
- If more than 6 players join during the 3 days and this number is odd, I will wait until a last player joins, in order to have an even number of playes.
- Anyone is welcome, but I ask that each player tries to do its best. If I feel a player is only there to help/damage another player, I reserve the right to remove this player. You are obviously not allowed to join with two accounts.




Player List

- SensFan
- Animorpherv1
- AuroruxVox
Mysterious Mystery Man

- Fishythefish
- chenshi
-
yawetag



FishyTheFish wins!


Replacements

- Zodiark13
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Post Post #6 (isolation #1) » Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:34 pm

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1 more player needed.
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Post Post #8 (isolation #2) » Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:53 pm

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Signups closed!

Round 1 will be :

SensFan vs Fishythefish
Animorpherv1 vs yawetag
Mysterious Mystery Man vs chenshi

You have 48 rounds to send me
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your choice of either
Volunteer
or
Defect
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Post Post #9 (isolation #3) » Fri Apr 02, 2010 11:15 am

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As asked by one player, it is acceptable to send me an algorithm to take care of your choices, even if we are not in round 4. If you don't send me an action for a turn, i'll use it instead.

You might also say, that as long as some condition is satisfied, you don't need time to discuss with your opponent / to think in order to take your move. If all players are in this situation, i'll simply accelerate turns until some player is in a situation outside the condition.
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Post Post #10 (isolation #4) » Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:57 am

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Waiting for Mysterious Man and chenshi.

Edit : only MMM left.
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Post Post #12 (isolation #5) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:26 am

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Round 1, Turn 1 Results!


Mysterious Mistery Man :
Defect

All Others :
Volunteer


Current standings :

Mysterious Mystery Man : 10
SensFan : 5
Fishythefish : 5
Animorpherv1 : 5
yawetag : 5
chenshi : -10




Please get your choices for turn 2 asap! If you have sent me a preliminary choice and you don't send me a new one before I post the new results (should be in 24 hours if no delay), then I'll use that choice.
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Post Post #15 (isolation #6) » Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:46 pm

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Waiting for MMM
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Post Post #17 (isolation #7) » Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:09 am

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I can't speak for him. You are free to use pms if you want to remember your existence to him. Anyways, I'd like a choice in the next 12 hours or I'll pick a choice for you*.

* I have decided before the game of a way to decide choices for players that fail to send one without having declared a default choice. I'll not reveal how I'll do it.
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Post Post #19 (isolation #8) » Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:26 am

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Round 1, Turn 2 Results!


SensFan :
Volunteer
(+5)
Fishythefish :
Volunteer
(+5)

Animorpherv1 / Clank :
Defect
(+10)
yawetag :
Volunteer
(-10)

Mysterious Mystery Man :
Defect
(-5)
chenshi :
Defect
(-5)

Current standings :

Animorpherv1 : 15
SensFan : 10
Fishythefish : 10
Mysterious Mystery Man : 5
yawetag : -5
chenshi : -15




Smiles are fading, blades have been unsheathed. The illusion of cooperation is leaving place to the bare reality of deceit and betrayal. Only one pair is still showing faith in human nature. For how long?





Please get your choices for turn 3 asap! If you have sent me a preliminary choice and you don't send me a new one before I post the new results (should be in 24 hours if no delay), then I'll use that choice.
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Post Post #21 (isolation #9) » Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:49 am

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Waiting for MMM...
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Post Post #22 (isolation #10) » Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:29 am

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I didn't have any reply from MMM, so i used Teh Secret Method of Doom to pick his choice. If he doesn't reappear before 48 hours, i'll (try to) replace him.

Round 1, Turn 3 Results!


SensFan :
Volunteer
(+5)
Fishythefish :
Volunteer
(+5)

Animorpherv1 / Clank :
Volunteer
(+5)
yawetag :
Volunteer
(+5)

Mysterious Mystery Man :
Defect
(-5)
chenshi :
Defect
(-5)

Current standings :

Animorpherv1 : 20
SensFan : 15
Fishythefish : 15
Mysterious Mystery Man : 0
yawetag : 0
chenshi : -20




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Post Post #24 (isolation #11) » Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:40 pm

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Sorry, I got a bit busy for the weekend. Unfortunately, it seems I wasn't the only one, since no player sent me a choice.

I have default choices for 3 players, so I will need the three other to give me a choice to end this turn. Prod pms will go out soon.
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Post Post #26 (isolation #12) » Mon Apr 12, 2010 12:15 am

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Indeed, sorry. I'm missing only two.
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Post Post #28 (isolation #13) » Mon Apr 12, 2010 6:54 am

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Mystery Man has asked to be replaced. I'll contact a replacement.
One other player has been prodded.
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Post Post #29 (isolation #14) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:47 am

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AurorusVox replaces MMM.
Animorpherv / Clank has gone AWOL. I'm leaving him one more day before replacing him.

Sorry for the inconvenience. I hope to resume the game asap.
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Post Post #33 (isolation #15) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:19 am

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Round 1, Turn 4 Results!


SensFan :
Volunteer
(+5)
Fishythefish :
Volunteer
(+5)

Animorpherv1 / Clank :
Volunteer
(-10)
yawetag :
Defect
(+10)

AurorusVox :
Volunteer
(-10)
chenshi :
Defect
(+10)

Current standings :

SensFan : 20
Fishythefish : 20
Animorpherv1 : 10
yawetag : 10
Mysterious Mystery Man : -10
chenshi : -10
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Post Post #37 (isolation #16) » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:25 pm

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Missing choices from animorpherv
and AurorusVox
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Post Post #39 (isolation #17) » Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:17 am

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Round 1, Turn 5 Results!


SensFan :
Volunteer
(+5)
Fishythefish :
Volunteer
(+5)

Animorpherv1 / Clank :
Volunteer
(-10)
yawetag :
Defect
(+10)

AurorusVox :
Volunteer
(+5)
chenshi :
Volunteer
(+5)

Current standings :

SensFan : 25
Fishythefish : 25
yawetag : 20
Animorpherv1 : 0
AurorusVox : -5
chenshi : -5




First round has ended! You have 48 hours to pick a partner. Both of you must state so in the thread that you wish to be with the other player. If at the end of the 48 hours, two players are not paired, they will be force-paired but incur no penalty. If more players are not paired, all un-paired players will have a penalty, and be randomly affected.

You can communicate freely with each other, privately or publicly.
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Post Post #48 (isolation #18) » Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:17 am

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According to the rules, I should give a penalty to all players except Fish and SensFan. However, this rule was there to penalize players that couldn't find a partner, and not penalize players for activity levels.

The fact that the deadline was on a week-end, that yawetag informed me of a V/LA and that most players stated privately that they were ready to repartner makes me rule to accept animorph and chenshi choices, despite them being posted after the deadline.

Hence, teams stay unchanged. Please send your choices asap.
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Post Post #50 (isolation #19) » Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:55 am

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His choice is actually invalid, because yawetag didn't confirm (he is on V/LA). Although, chenshi and AurorusVox stated in their qt that they wanted to be repaired, so I accepted chenshi choice.

I know that my deadline management may feel a arbitrary, but deadlines are there to make the game move forward, not to penalize players. And as I said, I don't want the game to be decided by who is the most active.
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Post Post #51 (isolation #20) » Mon Apr 19, 2010 6:09 am

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I'm missing choices from yawetag, chenshi and animorpherv. Yawetag is on V/LA, so I guess we will have to wait for him.

Also, please remember you can send me advance moves.
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Post Post #52 (isolation #21) » Fri Apr 23, 2010 2:50 am

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With the end of his V/LA, and the fact he is the last with a missing choice, yawetag has been prodded and has 24 hours to send me his choice or he will be replaced.
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Post Post #54 (isolation #22) » Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:48 pm

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Round 2, Turn 1 Results!


Everyone :
Volunteer
(+5)

Current standings :

SensFan : 30
Fishythefish : 30
yawetag : 25
Animorpherv1 : 5
AurorusVox : 0
chenshi : 0




Apologies for the delay in this turn. Hopefully, next turns will go smoother. Please send me your actions for the next turn.
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Post Post #56 (isolation #23) » Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:57 am

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Round 2, Turn 2 Results!


Everyone :
Volunteer
(+5)

Current standings :

SensFan : 35
Fishythefish : 35
yawetag : 30
Animorpherv1 : 10
AurorusVox : 5
chenshi : 5




Nice, this turn went fast. Thanks to all players. Let's move to turn 3...
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Post Post #57 (isolation #24) » Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:29 pm

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I have all the choices. I will still wait until this evening if a player wants to change his default choice.
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Post Post #58 (isolation #25) » Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:00 am

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Round 2, Turn 3 Results!


Everyone :
Volunteer
(+5)

Current standings :

SensFan : 40
Fishythefish : 40
yawetag : 35
Animorpherv1 : 15
AurorusVox : 10
chenshi : 10




Seems nothing is happening...




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Post Post #60 (isolation #26) » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:47 pm

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I have all the choices. I will post the results this evening, if some players wish to change their default choice.
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Post Post #61 (isolation #27) » Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:40 am

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Round 2, Turn 4 Results!


Yawetag :
Defect
(+10)
Animorpherv
Volunteer
(-10)

Fishythefish :
Defect
(+10)
SensFan :
Volunteer
(-10)

Everyone else :
Volunteer
(+5)

Current standings :

Fishythefish : 50
yawetag : 45
SensFan : 30
AurorusVox : 15
chenshi : 15
Animorpherv1 : 5



Ooh defectors.





And let's move to Turn 5!
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Post Post #63 (isolation #28) » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:53 am

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A mistake has slipped in my notes regarding the choice of FishyTheFish. This has been corrected.
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Post Post #65 (isolation #29) » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:42 pm

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I have all the choices for turn 5. I'll wait until this evening if someone wants to change his default choice.
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Post Post #67 (isolation #30) » Thu Apr 29, 2010 1:06 am

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No communication at all, starting from the moment I post the pairings.
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Post Post #72 (isolation #31) » Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:49 am

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Round 2, Turn 5 Results!


Yawetag :
Defect
(-5)
Animorpherv
Defect
(-5)

Fishythefish :
Defect
(-5)
SensFan :
Defect
(-5)

AurorusVox :
Volunteer
(-10)
chenshi :
Defect
(+10)

Current standings :

Fishythefish : 45
yawetag : 40
SensFan : 25
chenshi : 25
AurorusVox : 5
Animorpherv1 : 0



Not much cooperation today...





I'll post pairings for Round 3 in around 12 hours. Until then, you can discuss in the thread if you wish.
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Post Post #77 (isolation #32) » Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:14 pm

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Round 3 Pairings!


SensFan vs chenshi
Animorpherv1 vs AuroruxVox
Fishythefish vs yawetag




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Post Post #78 (isolation #33) » Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:42 pm

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I'm missing chenshi choices.
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Post Post #79 (isolation #34) » Mon May 03, 2010 4:39 am

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Chenshi has been prodded yesterday, and has 24 hours to send choices or he will be replaced.
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Post Post #80 (isolation #35) » Mon May 03, 2010 11:16 pm

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Round 3, Turn 1 Results!


SensFan :
Defect
(+10)
chenshi :
Volunteer
(-10)

Animorpherv
Volunteer
(+5)
AurorusVox :
Volunteer
(+5)

Fishythefish :
Volunteer
(+5)
Yawetag :
Volunteer
(+5)

Current standings :

Fishythefish : 50
yawetag : 45
SensFan : 35
chenshi : 15
AurorusVox : 10
Animorpherv1 : 5



New pairings, but already first blood...





All the players included a default choice for the next round. I'll still wait 24 hours if some of them wish to change.
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Post Post #81 (isolation #36) » Wed May 05, 2010 12:34 am

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Round 3, Turn 2 Results!


SensFan :
Defect
(-5)
chenshi :
Defect
(-5)

Animorpherv
Volunteer
(+5)
AurorusVox :
Volunteer
(+5)

Fishythefish :
Defect
(+10)
Yawetag :
Volunteer
(-10)

Current standings :

Fishythefish : 60
yawetag : 35
SensFan : 30
AurorusVox : 15
chenshi : 10
Animorpherv1 : 10



Defection is spreading...





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Post Post #82 (isolation #37) » Thu May 06, 2010 10:50 am

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Round 3, Turn 3 Results!


SensFan :
Defect
(-5)
chenshi :
Defect
(-5)

Animorpherv
Volunteer
(+5)
AurorusVox :
Volunteer
(+5)

Fishythefish :
Defect
(+10)
Yawetag :
Volunteer
(-10)

Current standings :

Fishythefish : 70
yawetag : 25
SensFan : 25
AurorusVox : 20
Animorpherv1 : 15
chenshi : 5




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Post Post #83 (isolation #38) » Fri May 07, 2010 5:22 am

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I'll be away for this week end. The game will resume Monday.
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Post Post #84 (isolation #39) » Mon May 10, 2010 9:31 am

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Just for information, I haven't forgotten about you. However, I'm currently needing an answer from a player, and I won't give this turn results before.

I hope I will be able to post the results as soon as possible.
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Post Post #85 (isolation #40) » Tue May 11, 2010 5:26 am

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Round 3, Turn 4 Results!


SensFan :
Defect
(-5)
chenshi :
Defect
(-5)

Animorpherv
Volunteer
(+5)
AurorusVox :
Volunteer
(+5)

Fishythefish :
Defect
(+10)
Yawetag :
Volunteer
(-10)

Current standings :

Fishythefish : 80
AurorusVox : 25
SensFan : 20
Animorpherv1 : 20
yawetag : 15
chenshi : 0




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Post Post #86 (isolation #41) » Wed May 12, 2010 7:26 am

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Round 3, Turn 5 Results!


SensFan :
Defect
(-5)
chenshi :
Defect
(-5)

Animorpherv
Volunteer
(+5)
AurorusVox :
Volunteer
(+5)

Fishythefish :
Defect
(+10)
Yawetag :
Volunteer
(-10)

Current standings :

Fishythefish : 90
AurorusVox : 30
Animorpherv1 : 25
SensFan : 15
yawetag : 5
chenshi : -5




This is the end of round 3!




Round 4 Pairings


Fishythefish vs AurorusVox
Animorpherv vs SensFan
yawetag vs chenshi




Discussion is now free. I'll pm quicktopic to each pair soon.

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Post Post #89 (isolation #42) » Sun May 16, 2010 8:29 pm

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chenhsi has been prodded ... (again :|)
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Post Post #90 (isolation #43) » Fri May 21, 2010 3:16 am

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Despite prods, yawetag has not answered. I don't want to stall the game any longer, so here's what will happen :

* Yawetag is removed from the game, and greylisted from any of my future games.
* Yawetag opponent (chenshi) will play against all 4 other strategies provided by the players and I will average his results. This looks to me like the fairest way to handle the situation. (Making yawetag auto-volunteer or auto-defect would give a huge penalty or advantage to chenshi)

Expect results in a few hours.
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Post Post #91 (isolation #44) » Fri May 21, 2010 5:18 am

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Round 4 Results!


FishyTheFish : Tit-for-Tat
AurorusVox : Defect Every Turn

SensFan : Defect Every Turn
Animorpherv : Tit-for-Tat

Chenshi : Tit-for-Tat for 40 turns, Defect last 10.

Effects :
FishyTheFish : -30.5
AurorusVox : -28.5
SensFan : -28.5
Animorpherv : -30.5
Chenshi : -8.75 (+13, +13, -30.5, -30.5)
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Post Post #92 (isolation #45) » Fri May 21, 2010 5:23 am

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Final Standings


Fishythefish : 59.5
AurorusVox : 1.5
Animorpherv1 : -5.5
chenshi : -13.75
SensFan : -15.5

Thanks to all players for participating! I hope you enjoyed this small game, and I welcome any comments on the game / my modding. I already had some remarks from SensFan, and even if i disagree about how he would have fixed the situation, I'll make sure that I'm not put in the same situation again.
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