Mini 948 - Victorian Vampire - Game Over

[ooba]

Hi All,

Happy to replace!! Give me a day or two to catch up on the previous posting

[ooba]

Well at least this post proves I'm not a jester ...

[ooba]

That makes L-1.

In other words, "scumbuddies, hammer freely"

Unvote, Vote: Darox

Do you honestly believe that? If anything quicklynching this early into Day 1 is a recipie for Day 2 lynch for sure.

If anything Darox is trying to get town points for making sure no-one inadvertantly hammers. The warning assures if anyone does they have no excuse for their behavior.

This is quickly reminding me of a game where scum did what Darox did as a warning, presumably for town points, and noob town hammered.

In other words, "scumbuddies, hammer freely and we can still argue against auto Day 2 lynch".

What do the players think of the

Diary of the Damned

? I don't really understand what "Links to Lynches" could mean and am curious to find out what you think.

Yea, I'm pretty sure the front is just flavored links to the game.

What could links to the dead mean though cry?

I do not like both these posts .. Not sure how any setup discussion helps at this point - but the second post looks like an obvious fishing attempt to me..

Vote: SpyreX

Addn: "How so?" - I am at L-1, not voting myself - so I can vote myself and win if I am jester

[ooba]

Yea, I'm pretty sure the front is just flavored links to the game.

What could links to the dead mean though cry?

The first line in this post shows that he understands that "Links to lynches" link to the lynch posts in the game.

Usually, setup\wording\mechanic discussion is initiated by some player who's role has something to do with the special wording or mechanics. Which is why the second sentence seems like a fishing attempt to me ..

[ooba]

As I'm sure you can see, there is quite a lot of pressure on you right now. Are you feeling pressured? How do you plan to convince the other players to move their votes off of you and onto someone else?

I think this pressure on me is due to
a) Bandwagoning to get some discussion started
b) And partly due to the fact that I had just made one post in the game and hadn't contributed

Now that I've responded - I think I've addressed part b ..

Not much pressure - I am wary of newb or supposedly "accident" hammering though ..

[ooba]

Is lack of significant contributions to the game unless pressured behavior we should expect on a regular basis?

Nah .. Just had to move from one town to another .. Got everything set up and have a relatively free two months - so this wont repeat itself ..

[ooba]

The whole wagon against Spyrex here seems kind of goofy.

I still don't get how it got that far

Three votes is far?

[ooba]

CryMeARiver needs more pressure.

Unvote. Vote: CryMeARiver

Explain to me, in the simplest terms, how Darox saying he is an Innkeeper opens the floodgates to town power roles outing themselves.

...
Lets discuss the merits and demerits of a massclaim in this situation

[ooba]

Yes, I was one of the original people who asked Darox to clarify about Innkeeper. But then, after I posted, I realized that was a bad idea to ask, and so I warned him, as we have discussed.

"Oh shit, this looks bad. I think I'll now assume a contradictory position to make myself look better".

If he was scum and realized it was bad after posting it - and didn't want to get any heat for it, the correct play would have been to say nothing. After all, there were two other players who had asked the same question - safety in numbers. Why would he backtrack and draw unnecessary attention?

It's not scummy - its null.

[ooba]

Ok I can wait for CryMeARiver.

easjo682 - All your posts have been random comments (not game related) or setup speculation. Who do you think is scum?

[ooba]

Well I'm not entirely sold on Josh, but I think he's our best bet for being scum right now and it also might get the game moving.

Kill : JoshTheStampede

Josh if you have something to say, do it now, not allowed to post after you're dead. This also means I'm dead. Hope it was worth it.

[ooba]

Well, now that its apparent that I'm not a suicide vig .. (Ideally would loved Josh to have responded) .. Barring that

Oh shit,

Vote:Ooba

will post something relevant later

Would you mind clarifying the bolded reaction to my post?

[ooba]

Oh shit,

Vote:Ooba

will post something relevant later

Would you mind clarifying the bolded reaction to my post?

I was suprised that you were a vig and that you killed Josh.

Well this reason doesn't gel with your next post where you claim you never even connected me with a suicide vig

I didn't connect that to him being a suicide vig. In that case

Unvote

If you actually thought I had killed Josh, your reaction should have been of curiosity to see what Josh turns up as. The very fact that you said "Oh shit" and proceeded to vote me gives me the impression that you already knew his town alignment.

Vote: Zang

Just to be clear, using bolded "game code" to pretend to use powers you don't have is about the most unethical thing you can do in a game of Mafia without straight-up cheating.

Don't want to get into an argument here and sidetrack the game, but calling it unethical is ridiculous. Best discussed in the MD forum later.

"All scummy things are directly related to me" - Josh

Of course, who am I to stand in the way of a bus. Only problem is that everything in this tryst points to Josh being a more valuable scum-PR.

Unvote, Vote: Ooba

"Hey this is just me hopping onto a growing wagon. I'm also trying to link a completely unrelated player to my scumbuddy (on whom I made a weak case and gave the appearance of attacking)"

FOS: SpyreX

[ooba]

Zang just to paraphrase you,
i) You voted for me initially because you thought I was lousy day vig for wanting to kill someone 6 pages into the game and someone who in my own words, "wasn't sure about". It was more of a pressure vote than a scum-indicator vote.
ii) You unvoted when Darox mentioned suicide vig because "Hey, whats the use in pressurizing a guy who's going to die"?
iii) I'm just unclear on the last part - you voted me again after you found out I was not a vig because you really don't see the purpose in the gambit and think its distracting.

Have I got that right?

@ ooba:So wait, you're not sold on Josh, but you want to go ahead and kill him? Explain that reasoning.

Please read till the end of the page at least before posting

A lot of people in this game seem to be saying "I don't have an opinion, so I'm going to sit around and wait for one to fall from the sky"

QFT. Slaine's been mentioned but it also applies to the following two people:

TheSkeward:

You've exclusively tunneled on Josh for the majority of your posts. How does the last few pages reflect on your opinion of Josh being scum? Other players who you think are scummy?

easjo682:

You have to give us something to go on. Like I've pointed out before I see nothing except setup speculation and zero scumhunting from your side. even if you don't think "anybody is scum", I'd like your opinions on various players.

[ooba]

off*

Great way to pad the post count in the game ..

Other players who you think are scummy?

Hmm. Zang has decent responses

Unvote. Vote: Slaine Hayes

What does everyone think of a lurker lynch for D1?

easjo: The lack of commitment is alarming. You've called one player town, You don't like the player on whom the most votes are currently (big surprise there) and please tell me - which of Slaine's posts lead you to think he's not scummy?

[ooba]

When, due to the glut of apathy, I can't get you lynched I would definitely push for Ooba.

Do you actually have a case on me or is it just all "Josh is scum. I can see links between Josh and Ooba. Hence Ooba is scum"?

[ooba]

We have deadline coming up in five days - should be moving forward with a lynch. Here are my list of candidates:

SpyreX
- Tunneling on just one player for most of D1
- Trying to set up linkages where none exist (Josh and me)

easjo
- Easily the worst amongst the lurkers
- Active lurking: Has time to answer what a kiwi is, but not the questions posed to him on his previous analysis
- Hasn't taken a stance (Disregarding the previous post)

Josh
- The slippery slope fallacy (If A roleclaims, then...)
- Attacking the attacker (Calling SpyreX 'crazy', 'delusional)

However I still hold that him asking for the more info on the role and then backtracking shows townishness. I'd put a SpyreX lynch over a Josh one. I'll decide where easjo comes in the list depending on the post he promised.

SpyreX, if the town is unwilling to lynch Josh or me today, who would be next on your list?
TheSkeward, if the town is unwilling to lynch Josh today, who would be next on your list.

[ooba]

Um, focuing on one player and attacking that person is not a scum tell at all, ooba. That's what a pro-town person should do if they think they have a scum.

There's a flip side to your argument - focusing on a single player is an easy way for scum to avoid commenting on any of the other players in the game.

And how is trying to figure out who is linked with who a scumtell? That dosn't make any sense. For that matter, the only reason scum-SpyreX would gain an advantage from "trying to set up a link between you and Josh" would be if one of you was town and the other was scum, and I really don't think you're suggesting that Josh is scum with SpyreX.

Figuring out who is linked to whom is not scummy but making links up without substantiating them is scummy. Two advantages:
a) It just muddies the waters and confuses analysis.
b) You're mistaken. I did suggest a SpyreX-Josh pairing earlier. This is also a reason why Josh remains in my list of candidates.

"All scummy things are directly related to me" - Josh

Of course, who am I to stand in the way of a bus. Only problem is that everything in this tryst points to Josh being a more valuable scum-PR.

Unvote, Vote: Ooba

"Hey this is just me hopping onto a growing wagon. I'm also trying to link a completely unrelated player to my scumbuddy (on whom I made a weak case and gave the appearance of attacking)"

And Yos, just to be clear, you think I'm a good lynch, because of the last post or are other reasons there as well?

cruelty, you've asked the question and answered it yourself ..

[ooba]

Um, focuing on one player and attacking that person is not a scum tell at all, ooba. That's what a pro-town person should do if they think they have a scum.

There's a flip side to your argument - focusing on a single player is an easy way for scum to avoid commenting on any of the other players in the game.

And how is trying to figure out who is linked with who a scumtell? That dosn't make any sense. For that matter, the only reason scum-SpyreX would gain an advantage from "trying to set up a link between you and Josh" would be if one of you was town and the other was scum, and I really don't think you're suggesting that Josh is scum with SpyreX.

Figuring out who is linked to whom is not scummy but making links up without substantiating them is scummy. Two advantages:
a) It just muddies the waters and confuses analysis.
b) You're mistaken. I did suggest a SpyreX-Josh pairing earlier. This is also a reason why Josh remains in my list of candidates.

"All scummy things are directly related to me" - Josh

Of course, who am I to stand in the way of a bus. Only problem is that everything in this tryst points to Josh being a more valuable scum-PR.

Unvote, Vote: Ooba

"Hey this is just me hopping onto a growing wagon. I'm also trying to link a completely unrelated player to my scumbuddy (on whom I made a weak case and gave the appearance of attacking)"

And Yos, just to be clear, you think I'm a good lynch, because of the last post or are other reasons there as well?

cruelty, you've asked the question and answered it yourself ..

[ooba]

If that was an elaborate scum gambit by Josh, it just failed ..

[ooba]

Vote: CryMeARiver

For the RIP? The pic? or other reasons?

[ooba]

...
Given we have at least one Miller in the game it’s certain some sort of cop is involved.

Also given what I’ve seen regarding Vig variants in the past I suspect Yos wasn’t the only Miller / Weak Vig out there.

@easjo – Let’s hear something from you.

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I have reason to believe the bolded is true.

Setting it up now so that you can claim miller later?

[ooba]

crulety, why the vote on magna?

@Cruelty: Actually reading back, this is something I would like answered too.

@Magna: When you posted your second last post (before the V\LA notice), you must have been able to see Cruelty's vote. Why didn't you ask him anything about it?

[ooba]

Re-reading the entire game .. Posting my thoughts in a few ..

[ooba]

Just the vote movement and things I missed during D1..

Read as "Player: Voted for X(Was the nth vote on player at that time),.."

easjo682:

Spyrex(1) -> Josh(1)

Zang:

cruelty(2) -> NoVote -> ooba(2) -> NoVote -> ooba(2) -> Darox(1) -> Josh(7)

Nobody Special:

Darox(1) -> CMAR(2) -> SpyreX (3) -> NoVote -> Josh(5)

cruelty:

SpyreX(2) -> Zang(2) -> ooba(6) -> Josh(4)

TheSkeward:

Zang(1) -> cruelty (2) -> Josh(2)

SpyreX:

cruelty(1) -> ooba(2) -> Josh(3) -> ooba(4) -> Josh(5)

CryMeARiver:

ooba(1) -> Josh(1) -> Yosarian(2) -> Darox(1) -> NS(1)

MagnaofIllusion:

Yosarian(1)-> CMAR(1) -> ooba(4) -> CMAR(2) -> Josh(4) -> Darox (2)

Darox:

NS(1) -> ooba(3) -> SpyreX (1) -> NoVote

Ooba:

SpyreX (1) -> CMAR(3) -> Zang(1) -> NS(3)

Yosarian:

ooba(1) -> CMAR(3) -> NS(2)

Josh:

Darox(1) -> ooba(5) -> SpyreX(2) -> ooba(3) -> SpyreX(2) -> Josh(6)

Post 5:

@Magna

1. Anyone here have any long-standing grudges or odd personal history?

Just curious – what brought about this question?

Post 11:

@TheSkeward

Discuss. Can we break this?

What was this about?

Post 21:

Josh does not random vote. I wonder if anyone noticed that.
Addn: Nobody noticed it or brought any attention to it.

Post 31:

@CMAR
Any reason why you ignored Magna’s initial post – made 4 posts in between and then replied to his questions?

Post 41:

@cruelty
You vote Zang here – no apparent reasoning?? You had already random voted at this stage.

Post 55:

@SpyreX
At this point, there were two votes on CMAR and one on me. Why did you choose to go ahead with my wagon instead of his?

Post 94:

@Cruelty
Why didn’t you vote CMAR here? Subtle pressure without committing to the wagon.

Post 190

Think, long and hard, about how terrible a player I would have to be if I were scum, was one of three people who asked about a flavorclaim, and then immediately called myself out on it a few posts later. It makes no sense.

Which do you think is more likely: That I'm a townie who misspoke, or that I am literally the worst scum player ever?

I LOL’d at this.

Post 232:

@Cruelty
Goodposting by Magna

I think Magna has a good point against cruelty when he posts this:

At this point I'm happy with my vote on Josh for his contradiction and I'm dubious of Magna's softclaim quote.

If you were really dubious you would have said something back with your first response. Any reason why you waited until after the hue and cry from Sprex, Darox and easjo before expressing it?

Cruelty's response was this:

“I did say something, two posts later.”

His original post (i.e the one he is referring to above) was this:

“you're reading way too deeply into that.”

I hardly think that your response shows any signs that you thought Magna's VT quote was dubious at that point.

Post 361:

@The Skeward
Why NS? You did say cruelty would be next on your list in your post on Day 1.

Overall:

I think cruelty is a good bet for scum. His votes have been on the whole opportunistic; lot of filler posts and points mentioned above.

Vote: Cruelty

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No way in hell he didn't know who the scum were.

Just responding to this since NS also seemed to think this was "obvious". The best interplay for this role would be achieved when Mafia knew Josh but Josh did not know the mafia. Josh would have to try and work out who was scum to protect them - otherwise he'd be protecting town. Mafia would have to try and signal Josh in an overt way so as to not attract attention of town. Tried looking for signals based on this - but couldn't find anything. (Apart from CMAR's "doomed" post but do not think it was a signal)

[ooba]

No way in hell he didn't know who the scum were.

Just responding to this since NS also seemed to think this was "obvious". The best interplay for this role would be achieved when Mafia knew Josh but Josh did not know the mafia. Josh would have to try and work out who was scum to protect them - otherwise he'd be protecting town. Mafia would have to try and signal Josh in an overt way so as to not attract attention of town. Tried looking for signals based on this - but couldn't find anything. (Apart from CMAR's "doomed" post but do not think it was a signal)

SpyreX , your thoughts on this? Tis not as obvious as you make it out to be.

- Don't like the speed of the wagon on CMAR. Looks scum driven
- Cruelty does not respond to any of the points mentioned by me in my last post but heaps more pressure on the CMAR wagon and disappears
- TheSkeward reverses his opinion on cruelty; both of them are the major drivers of the CMAR lynch; cruelty was the one who mentioned "how about a speed lynch" and I hate TheSkeward's "I'd like your final thoughts please"..

I can see a Cruelty, Skeward scum pairing .. Town should wake up and start playing the game ..

[ooba]

Just curious – what brought about this question?

Given that you were a part of Weeds Mafia also I should think you would know exactly why I posted this. For those interested look up Mini 938 and specifically Ythan and McGriddle. Knowing players have a history (usually involving animosity) is something I want to know when assesseing their interactions with each other.

Fair enough.

mod can we get a prob on easjo

The only person we have a "prob" with is you ..

Would like to point out the similarity of "scum wifom" in the following two posts:

Which do you think is more likely: That I'm a townie who misspoke, or that I am literally the worst scum player ever?

also lol @ bringing up my speedlynch post. world's most brazen scum, right here. gimme a break.

Not sure on what to make of the NS wagon - I hated Slaine for his lurking - NS is neutral for me though .. Lemme re-read his part again ..

[ooba]

NS, could you respond to case on you?

lol, fair point. i think contextually the two are different though. i'm not trying to present my original post (speedlynch cmar) in a false light, i -would- like CMAR lynched and i'm not trying to sneak away from a slip up.

Granted on the context. My point is that both are "scum certainly wouldn't have done this arguments".

[ooba]

Also, ooba brought up some good points that I want to look into.

Just noticed this. Did ya get a chance to look into this?

Your thoughts on cruelty?

[ooba]

Welcome Vas!

Catching up ..

[ooba]

If its a choice between NS and CMAR - the choice was pretty clear to me after ISOs on both ..

Vote: NS

- I get the feeling that CMAR is genuinely scumhunting, while NS seems to be content with surviving
- The speed with which the CMAR went to L-1 as opposed to the NS wagon languishing at three votes for a long time lead me to think that the CMAR wagon is scum driven. (I'm looking @ SpyreX, cruelty in particular)

I shall be reading and RUTHLESSLY SCUMHUNTING starting..... Now.

If you are town, I am slightly disappointed ..

Possible partners for NS:
- I actually disagree with Vas's sentiments that NS links to SpyreX, Darox; I do not see scum linking themselves scum partners this early (yes its WIFOM). I rather go with those who are on the fence\not commenting; looking to where the winds might blow:
- Zang, with his Post 477 where he does not comment on either NS\CMAR but decides to lurker vote easjo(Vas).
- cruelty, does not comment about NS over the last four pages. His only post states that "He would only vote NS grudingly". Surprise, surprise ..

Addn: Zang still does not comment on anything else even in post 525

Ooba #148 - Massclaim attempt? Not sure. Fishy though.

I was trying to be sarcastic there.

P.S: CMAR do you have a completed game as scum? There's something I want to check out ..

[ooba]

it's unreasonable to not be thrilled about lynching someone other than your strongest scumread?

Hmm. If not NS and CMAR, who else would you be ok with lynching?

What makes CMAR less likely to be scum than NS?

- I get the feeling that CMAR is genuinely scumhunting, while NS seems to be content with surviving
- The speed with which the CMAR went to L-1 as opposed to the NS wagon languishing at three votes for a long time lead me to think that the CMAR wagon is scum driven. (I'm looking @ SpyreX, cruelty in particular)

You may disagree with Point 2 but point 1 is scummy in itself. (Something which I think you've highlighted in your most recent post to NS)

NS, I think its time you claimed ..

[ooba]

Wow, I was thinking way too much into the flavor of the game. I was thinking like vampire

links to the dead

or something.

Believing CMAR. I think my read that the player who speculates about a mechanic has a role to do with that was spot on.

"I think that I've pretty much proved my towniness with my Role PM quote" - I Lol'd at this. Unsure on NS but I'd be willing to lynch him over CMAR anytime.
- Just thought I should mention at this point that that I do not have a "Thank you for replacing in...." part. Then again my predecessor didn't even pick up the role PM and I replaced at the start of the game. Can someone else like VV clarify\confirm or deny that part?

[ooba]

You can talk to every person who dies in the game?

[ooba]

There goes my case on VV

Amazing timing as usual Zang.
- You weren't on the wagon of the

only

player whom you focused on on D2
- I love the backtrack from your case.
- You already seem sure about the flip being town too ..

[ooba]

Oh .. thought "There goes my case on VV" implied "Damn. I had posted a case on VV and now he's town. Doh!" or something to that effect ..

[ooba]

Vote: Zang

You know why ..

[ooba]

Not that I have a problem with going first - I just wanted to suggest an alternate method we tried out in Weeds mafia

Everyone lists out their order of suspicions i.e the order in which you want to claim first from 1 to 7. You assign points to each position so 1 would be 7, 2 would be 6. You total up the points for all 7 lists and then the people claim in order of their totals.

I personally think it is superior to the popcorn analysis as it gives more info for analysis ..

[ooba]

Lol, I'll let people people respond to that first .. Like I said I do not have a problem claiming first - you can put me at the top and create 6 people lists .. This method will still be more useful for analysis ..

Link to said game.

[ooba]

That's four for popcorn (putting TheSkeward in this list since he initiated it). I'll take this discussion to the MD forum after the game. List based ranking beats this any day.

Welcome to Victorian Vampire! I suggest you add the topic to your Watch list and read over the rules.

You are Mira the Harlot. Throughout the night you are occupied with your sinful trade. You win with town.

You are welcome to start posting immediately. Good luck!

Next: Zang

[ooba]

You should claim targets too .. N1\N2

[ooba]

In 382 you asked CMAR about this when he agreed with my assertion that there were probably other Miller / Weak Vigs in the game. Why did you not question me along the same lines?

You said that it was based on your experience on weak vigs from previous games. CMAR's statement seemed to imply he had knowledge specific to this game for sure.

Setup design speculation
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1. Cop is confirmed - town becomes way underpowered without the role.
Possibilities:
a) 2 Mafia (GF+another)
b) 3 Mafia (Goon+Goon+another) where the traitor turns up innocent but does not count towards endgame mafia count.

2. I think 4 Angry mob members would be too strong (increases swingi-ness too) since they are essentially town-confirmed roles. Pretty sure the role PM was given as fake claim to one of the scum.
Hence, one mafia in {Magna, SpyreX, Zang}.

3. I think the RB claim is iffy because I cannot see where it fits in.

Vote: TheSkeward

. I shall re-read the game again and check if the play is consistent with the claims.

[ooba]

I'm sorry - I have been busy the past couple of days and couldn't get a re-read in..

Like I said, just from the setup point of view - I'm up for lynching the Skeward because I think
1 GF + 1 RB + 1 Traitor Doc vs 1 Cop + 1 Spiritualist + 3 Weak Vigs + 4 Townies
is a very balanced setup. As a counter to the miller point, I'd like to point out that a Weak Vig is a nearly a town-confirmed role. In fact with the effective use of open signaling, it's a very powerful force. (Magna, was your pitchfork question related to your role in any way?). In the unlikely case that the RB is town, I guess the scum would have a rolecop on their side.

Btw I had similar concerns when I read the weak Vig PM claims - but dropped it because I thought the mod would make even more care to make sure a scum PM doesn't stand out - of course, this argument does not hold if SpyreX typed it out himself looking at your claims.

My thoughts on the plan
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Cruelty is confirmed

One of {Magna, SpyreX, Zang} is scum. Rest two are town.

Lynch TheSkeward today.

Weak vigs vig one of the other two weak vigs - you do not announce your target in the thread beforehand.
Tomorrow we have the vigs claim their targets in random order.
a) Case:

Only one kill - that being cruelty

First person (say Zang) claims: "I targeted SpyreX". Gives chance to Magna to CC - "But so did I. And he was not killed - you're scum". This basically means the scum is either Zang or Magna in this case -> effectively can clear one of them.
b) Case:

Only one kill - that being a town weak vig

Again its between the remaining two.
c) Case:

Two kills - one being the cop, one being scum in the WV set

Clears other two vigs. We should have won the game by now if TheSkeward is scum. Otherwise lynch Darox for the win.
d) Case:

Two kills - one being the cop, one being town in the WV set

Impossible - in fact this is a key assumption to the plan highlighted above - I believe scum cannot emulate the weak vig skill and it was a FC provided by the mod or made up.

[ooba]

A Mafia and a town RB'r doesn't make sense. I'd put my money now on a Redirector if you and Zang shot SpyreX.

Gut tells me its spyrex - not voting. Magna think you should unvote in the off chance it is Zang.

[ooba]

In fact zang, even if you think you're sure SpyreX is scum, don't put him at L-1 (in case its Magna). I'd like everyone to weigh in before we lynch or give Darox+(one of SpyreX\Zang\Manga) the opportunity to quick lynch.

[ooba]

Sorry - I need to re-read parts of the thread again .. Brb

[ooba]

Darox ISO
ISO:4 - Defense of SpyreX - "Why is what SpyreX did scummy?"
ISO:8 -
"Magna: wtf."
"Spyrex: Do you think Josh is genuinely scummy? Your attacks seem disingenuous."
ISO:9 - attacks SpyreX for his josh attack
ISO:12 - @SpyreX: Votes SpyreX. "Spyrex is scum, Ooba is town, Josh is VI.". Unvotes in 22.
ISO:46 - @SpyreX: Pressures SpyreX. No vote
ISO:50 - @Magna: I do not know why he choose to respond to that particular comment of Magna when it was not neccessary
ISO:57 - @SpyreX: I feel the "Totally random you guys" is overplayed. 60 tries the same thing - injecting humor in the form of "psychic genius" to detract from the point
ISO:74 - @Magna: The "Idiot" attack seems totally uncalled for.

Unfortunately can see links to both Magna and SpyreX. However, no mentions of Zang at all - except for the part where he does not want to clear you. I'd call SpyreX as the scumbuddy due to the early defense, then attack and then totally ignoring him for the rest of the game.

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I think Zang's plan is the best (Note how spyrex diverts the topic here)

a. Lynch Darox today.
b. Zang announces his target publicly in the thread today (say SpyreX)
c. The other two claimed vigs shoot each other
Case 1: If Zang's target is scum, we win the game in the night
Case 2: If Zang's target is town, target doesn't die and we know the other is scum
Irrespective of whether {Zang\Me} is killed in the night, it works.

How about this: How is arguing flavor when early on he clearly said the mod provided fakeclaims NOT scummy?

Don't get you.

[ooba]

Forgot to vote

Unvote. Vote: Darox[\b]

[ooba]

Unvote. Vote: Darox

[ooba]

Gosh damn, I called mafia right when I died. I was PRAYING there would be a mafia doc and I wouldn't die, but oh well. Good game ooba and Spy. But I caught you

Now I'm REALLY unsure about Darox-Ooba, I could see either of them as scum

Lol - you weren't really sure though in the end. And this is what you said when you died.

I must ask (you can PM if you don't want to ruin it for everyone) is Darox and Skeward scum?
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I still think Skeward\Darox is scum with someone else, maybe SpyreX.

I am happy you died though

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Thoughts on the setup

I liked all three roles
- The traitor doc who could not join us so he'd have to be careful in who he protects
- Spiritualist is a good role.
- Has the weak vig been done before?

Overall
- Town had a lot of confirm-able roles. We were lucky we shot Yos on N1. Angry mob was far more powerful than the cop imo. It is a sign of guaranteed innocence. I think one of you should have taken the initiative and lead the mob through the thread.

In hindsight, our best move would have been to have SpyreX lead the angry mob. Even a "I'm so

angry

at cruelty" at the day one would have been enough.

- I find it funny that Magna found SpyreX's PM faked and the dead thread found my PM bad. Both were given to us. I stand by my statement that "I think a mod would make sure scum role PMs do not stand out when compared with others" - if I was a townie, I would have probably thought SpyreX was town based on that alone. This was my entire role PM:

You are Mira the Vampire Consort. Your fellow coven member is known to you, and each night your coven feeds upon one player, killing them. You may speak freely with your fellow vampire at night in the crypt. The first kill sent to me will be taken as the group’s decision, and the one sending it will perform the deed. Each night you may also invoke an unholy rune, sending demonic succubi to render another player powerless. You win when at least half the living players are Vampire Coven or nothing can prevent the same.

Should inquiries become too sharp, you may wish to claim the following:
You are Mira the Harlot. Throughout the night you are occupied with your sinful trade. You win with town.

Please reply to this message with the name of your role to confirm that you have read the rules. Good luck!

EB, was that a conscious decision to make our PMs slightly different?

- I still don't know why Josh just didn't claim doc??