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1. No grudges1. Anyone here have any long-standing grudges or odd personal history?
2. What's your favorite implement when cornering a vampire, werewolf or science abomination - pitchfork or flaming torch?
2.The flaming torch Or anything else to burn the corpses.(\_/)
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Except for zombies, they have no consious thought so they can not fear anything. It will hurt them though and possibly kill them.JoshTheStampede wrote:I don't have any grudges that I'm aware of.
Also, torches are clearly superior to pitchforks. If there is one thing classic horror has taught me, its that all supernatural creatures fear fire.(\_/)
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I'm pretty sure it's nothing specialCryMeARiver wrote:
Wow, I was thinking way too much into the flavor of the game. I was thinking like vampire links to the dead or something. Well, I guess the stuff on the front page is nothing special like I thought it was then, just flavor names for graveyard and linksZang wrote:Links to lynches are probably were the mid will put links to lynch scenes so they are easily accessible from the first page.(\_/)
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Shouldn't that have been obvious in the first place?JoshTheStampede wrote:
No one is going to hammer him now that it's been made clear that we'll all assume the hammer is scum.Zang wrote:Can someone unvote ooba. I believe he is at L-1 which gives scum a chance to hammer. You started the bandwagon to start discussion and I believe that was accomplished.(\_/)
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why not unvote? it's as simple as thisJoshTheStampede wrote:
When he was at L-1 and before everyone talked about the hammer stuff, he was under pressure. Now, you're right, he isn't. My vote doesn't really need to be on him anymore.TheSkeward wrote:
If you believe that town won't hammer ooba, why are you voting him? Your stated vote is for pressure. If you believe that town won't hammer ooba, how is he under any pressure?JoshTheStampede wrote:Zang wrote:
Shouldn't that have been obvious in the first place?JoshTheStampede wrote:
No one is going to hammer him now that it's been made clear that we'll all assume the hammer is scum.Zang wrote:Can someone unvote ooba. I believe he is at L-1 which gives scum a chance to hammer. You started the bandwagon to start discussion and I believe that was accomplished.
Should have been, yes, but everyone declaring it outright took the chance of a overeager scum slip-up from "slim" to "none".
Not finding a town motivation here.
However, I don't generally unvote unless I am moving my vote somewhere else, though, or unless I think that having it there is detrimental somehow. So until someone else pings my scumdar I'll leave my vote where it is.
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Darox wrote:
I'm an Innkeeper.There are some unique roles and combinations, most used before on other sites. However, the game is not focused on power roles, but instead on creating levels of interaction and subtext: games within the game.
What does that tell you?
What is that supposed to mean?
I agreeYosarian2 wrote:The whole wagon against Spyrex here seems kind of goofy.(\_/)
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I agree with Josh that he did explain the first one but just because he explained it doesn't mean his logic is sound. All I got from that argument was that Josh hates unvoting without having someone else to vote for. I still do not understand why though.JoshTheStampede wrote:
I explained the 1st one several times. The rest of them I don't actually know what you're talking about. I'm sorry I didn't "explain there be no other cases", whatever that means.SpyreX wrote:You explained keeping a vote on someone you don't think is scummy?
You explained there be no other cases?
You explained why you would ASK for scumhunting to get done (see above)?
You've explained how this:
Isn't a slippery slope?For example, if Darox comes out and says "Hey guys I'm the Innkeeper" no one really knows what that means, but if it causes Player B to then say "Yeah, I'm the Vampire Hunter" or "I'm the Holy Water Salesman" or something it's a lot worse in terms of bullseyes for the nightkill.
I'm asking for scumhunting to get done as opposed to continuing this useless derail, and I still don't understand how you think my "slippery slope" argument makes me scum. I think you just like to yell "slippery slope" as if it proves your point, which, again, I still am not clear on what your point even is.
Do you think I'm scum because I tried to prevent a possible claim? Even if you are certain no claim was coming, why would scum try to prevent claiming at all? Does that make any sense to you at all?
I am now officially done arguing with you about this completely ludicrous waste of everyone's time. Feel free to get in the last word if you want. Feel free to post the same things again and see if anyone else will join you on the absurd wagon. Also feel free to make any real cases you want, but I'm just not going to feed the troll about this one anymore.
My vote is on cruelty for reasons I have explained. I think SpyreX is just an insane townie who has tunneled onto me for reasons beyond my comprehension, but with every post he makes I question whether anyone could really be as deluded as he sounds. For now though, I don't think he's scum.
I would really, really like to hear from anyone else in this game about pretty much anything that doesn't involve crazy ranting from SpyreX or the words "slippery slope" or "roleclaim". Posts that don't sound like they were run through Babelfish a few times would be a plus, too.
And this is a waste of time, I see minimal scumhunting being done at the moment. I see an argument that is currently going nowhere.
And spyrex, just because he was asking if daroxs inkeeper statement was a claim doesn't mean he wanted him to claim. He was just asking for clarification which I do not find scummy. Either "yes i'm claiming" or "no it's something else". And if the answer is yes than darox should be the one to be blamed, not Josh.
And I'm sorry for my low activity, it was easter weekend and I really wasn't feeling so good (i'm still not).(\_/)
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I did know that you were a vig but I didn't know you were a suicide vig. And me saying "Oh shit" was meant to be like "oh shit, wow. I didn't expect ooba to be a vig," I didn't write that much because I had little time.ooba wrote:ooba wrote:
Would you mind clarifying the bolded reaction to my post?Zang wrote:Oh shit,
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will post something relevant later
Well this reason doesn't gel with your next post where you claim you never even connected me with a suicide vigZang wrote:I was suprised that you were a vig and that you killed Josh.
If you actually thought I had killed Josh, your reaction should have been of curiosity to see what Josh turns up as. The very fact that you said "Oh shit" and proceeded to vote me gives me the impression that you already knew his town alignment.Zang wrote:I didn't connect that to him being a suicide vig. In that case
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Don't want to get into an argument here and sidetrack the game, but calling it unethical is ridiculous. Best discussed in the MD forum later.Josh wrote:Just to be clear, using bolded "game code" to pretend to use powers you don't have is about the most unethical thing you can do in a game of Mafia without straight-up cheating.
"Hey this is just me hopping onto a growing wagon. I'm also trying to link a completely unrelated player to my scumbuddy (on whom I made a weak case and gave the appearance of attacking)"SpyreX wrote:"All scummy things are directly related to me" - Josh
Of course, who am I to stand in the way of a bus. Only problem is that everything in this tryst points to Josh being a more valuable scum-PR.
Unvote, Vote: Ooba
FOS: SpyreX(\_/)
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My vote was more of a pressure vote and not because I thought he was scum. I wanted to know why he killed you. I never understood this gambit because if I was a day vig, I would wait until I was sure a person was mafia but ooba even said this-JoshTheStampede wrote:
If you actually thought he was a vig, and believed him, then why would you vote him? Vigs are almost always town.Zang wrote:
I did know that you were a vig but I didn't know you were a suicide vig. And me saying "Oh shit" was meant to be like "oh shit, wow. I didn't expect ooba to be a vig," I didn't write that much because I had little time.ooba wrote:ooba wrote:
Would you mind clarifying the bolded reaction to my post?Zang wrote:Oh shit,
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Well this reason doesn't gel with your next post where you claim you never even connected me with a suicide vigZang wrote:I was suprised that you were a vig and that you killed Josh.
If you actually thought I had killed Josh, your reaction should have been of curiosity to see what Josh turns up as. The very fact that you said "Oh shit" and proceeded to vote me gives me the impression that you already knew his town alignment.Zang wrote:I didn't connect that to him being a suicide vig. In that case
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Don't want to get into an argument here and sidetrack the game, but calling it unethical is ridiculous. Best discussed in the MD forum later.Josh wrote:Just to be clear, using bolded "game code" to pretend to use powers you don't have is about the most unethical thing you can do in a game of Mafia without straight-up cheating.
"Hey this is just me hopping onto a growing wagon. I'm also trying to link a completely unrelated player to my scumbuddy (on whom I made a weak case and gave the appearance of attacking)"SpyreX wrote:"All scummy things are directly related to me" - Josh
Of course, who am I to stand in the way of a bus. Only problem is that everything in this tryst points to Josh being a more valuable scum-PR.
Unvote, Vote: Ooba
FOS: SpyreX
Ooba wrote:Well I'm not entirely sold on Josh(\_/)
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I don't know what you are asking me here because in the post you quoted I was saying that I was suprised he was a vig.Magna wrote:Why were you surprised he wasn’t a Vig?
So are you asking why I was surpised that ooba was a vig or why I was suprised when I learned he wasn't a vig?
Darox wrote:I doubt yosarian is only looking for absolutes here.
That's pretty conradictary. Why is SpyreX scum? And why is ooba town?Darox wrote: Spyrex is scum, Ooba is town, Josh is VI.
Case solved.
Unvote, Vote Spyrex
Pressuring someone doesn't work if they are going to die anyway.Ooba wrote:ii) You unvoted when Darox mentioned suicide vig because "Hey, whats the use in pressurizing a guy who's going to die"?
I have to agree with Josh, it's unethnical. This is the first time I have seen that gambit this way and I can see numerous flaws in it.Ooba wrote:iii) I'm just unclear on the last part - you voted me again after you found out I was not a vig because you really don't see the purpose in the gambit and think its distracting.
The point of it Is to get reactions out of scum right well now that the gambit is so widely used, scum should know not to react so differently than town. And also the person that reacts to the kill is only scum if the "killed" person is scum.
Do I have that right?(\_/)
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I guess it's not as contradictory as I originally thought but you still have not answered why SpyreX is scum and Ooba is town.Darox wrote:
How?Zang wrote:Darox wrote:I doubt yosarian is only looking for absolutes here.
That's pretty conradictary.Darox wrote: Spyrex is scum, Ooba is town, Josh is VI.
Case solved.
Unvote, Vote Spyrex
Because if you actually think about it, it's not.(\_/)
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why shouldn't I have been surprised? to my knowledge he did not previously claim vig. For the second question I have to confess that I read his statement wrong, I thought it said "If this means that I'm dead, I hope it was worth it." Meaning that if he is killed/lynched he would hope that it was worth it.Magna wrote:Your post at 201 shows surprise to me that Ooba has made a Dayvig. Why?
Since I’ve had to revisit I have another question also. Did you not read Ooba’s post, since you unvote at 204 because you didn't realize he was a suicide vig? Ooba clearly states he’s dead – “This also means I’m dead. Hope it was worth it.”(\_/)
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I disagree, Darox is the worst of the active lurkers. He still hadn't said why he thinks you (Ooba) are scum.Ooba wrote:easjo
- Easily the worst amongst the lurkers
- Active lurking: Has time to answer what a kiwi is, but not the questions posed to him on his previous analysis
- Hasn't taken a stance (Disregarding the previous post)
I do agree with magna. I think he is confessing to active lurking as a joke in order to dismiss the fact that he is active lurking.(\_/)
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I meant townI don't think Ooba is scum, I said he was town, and I said that because that was the general feel I got from his posts at that time.
But you should already know that if you were actually reading the game.
Do I have to spell everything out for you?(\_/)
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I believe you just put him at L-1.Nobody Special wrote:
Actually, it is my opinion that YOU are the one purposefully misinsterpreting things -- you went on and on about "I don't want to hear 'slippery slope' and I won't entertain this argument any further" -- and now you're trying to say you know what a slippery slope argument is? Please, get lynched.JoshTheStampede in post 164 wrote:
Also, I'm not done arguing altogether. I'm done arguing with SpyreX about that topic, because my pages of argument with him led me to believe he is either a crazy personor misinterpreting things on purpose, and I don't think arguing with him will accomplish anything other than spamming the thread and preventing other avenues of discussion. He thinks I'm scum, I think he's crazy, and we all know this now, along with reasons on both sides. Anything more between SpyreX and I at this point would just be shouting at each other, basically.
Vote: Josh
Still on page 7. Still reading. Still happy with a Josh lynch.(\_/)
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Actually, I didn't see anything particulary scummy about Josh. Sadly I was mistakenDo you have any opinions on the wagon? Or are you just going to idly watch it roll by?
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If he wants to be lynched, let him be lynched. Hopefully hes scum.(\_/)
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I have been in a game where there was a miller and he knew. He wouldn't claim and when he was replaced it was the first thing he did since he was at L-1. The town was then faced with a desicion either to lynch him or accept his claim. We lynched him and he was the town miller.CryMeARiver wrote:
No where have I ever seen a miller who knows he is a miller because then they would just claim miller and mafia would be able to claim miller. That's stupid.Darox wrote:Voting CMAR so hard right now.
'No, nothing to do with miller. Also, I'm pretty sure one doesn't know that they are a miller, only regular.'
'I'd like to clear up that what I said has absolutely nothing to do with my role. Explanation later.'
If it's got nothing to do with your role, then it's speculation on the setup.
And if it's speculation on the setup, then why the hell did you imply you had such in depth knowledge.
Yes, I have been speculating about the setup. I've been thinking about "weak vig". Weak doc is if they protect mafia, then they die. This would not make sense for a vig though, since shooting mafia and then dying is stupid and defeats the purpose of a vig. So the only thing I could come up with is that they can't choose who they shoot at night. Thinking about the flavor of the game, I thought of a mob killing a monster. So there might be a group of weak vigs? This is all speculation of course and I can guarantee that my role PM does not tell me any of this
I would think that based on what you say about a weak doc that a weak vig would be killed if he targeted town, killing both of them.(\_/)
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well, you might have a point about the two kills being detrimental to the town plus there would be the normal mafia kill. Although I wouldn't know if roles would be told if they are weak/strong, it would probably depend on the mod and what type of role it is.CryMeARiver wrote:
Hmmm, that goes against anything I've ever seen. Good to know though.Zang wrote:
I have been in a game where there was a miller and he knew. He wouldn't claim and when he was replaced it was the first thing he did since he was at L-1. The town was then faced with a desicion either to lynch him or accept his claim. We lynched him and he was the town miller.CryMeARiver wrote:
No where have I ever seen a miller who knows he is a miller because then they would just claim miller and mafia would be able to claim miller. That's stupid.Darox wrote:Voting CMAR so hard right now.
'No, nothing to do with miller. Also, I'm pretty sure one doesn't know that they are a miller, only regular.'
'I'd like to clear up that what I said has absolutely nothing to do with my role. Explanation later.'
If it's got nothing to do with your role, then it's speculation on the setup.
And if it's speculation on the setup, then why the hell did you imply you had such in depth knowledge.
Yes, I have been speculating about the setup. I've been thinking about "weak vig". Weak doc is if they protect mafia, then they die. This would not make sense for a vig though, since shooting mafia and then dying is stupid and defeats the purpose of a vig. So the only thing I could come up with is that they can't choose who they shoot at night. Thinking about the flavor of the game, I thought of a mob killing a monster. So there might be a group of weak vigs? This is all speculation of course and I can guarantee that my role PM does not tell me any of this
I would think that based on what you say about a weak doc that a weak vig would be killed if he targeted town, killing both of them.
That would be quite drastic to town though. Two townies dead in a small game like this? Also, roles aren't usually told if they are weak or strong, so the vig would not know this likely and would go ahead and shoot.
Also maybe a weak vig is like a 50% vig and only has a chance of succesfully killing the target.(\_/)
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Well, easjo hasn't posted anything this day except a V/la notice which is expired (as you can tell by the prod). But now that I look back at the skeward I don't really see him as scum. So I'll vote for easjo,magna wrote:@Zang could you elaborate a bit on your suspicions?
Vote: easjo682(\_/)
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I remember his day 1 lurking and I didn't really see him step it up until I did an ISO on him and he's been contributing alot more than I originally thought. I voted for the lurker because I don't see you or NS as scum and he really hasn't even tried to contribute anything the whole game. As I said last sentence, I don't see anything scummy about you or NS. I looked back two pages to your post 449 and I saw that the majority of your reasons for suspecting NS is because of either what Slaine Hays did or that he isn't scumhunting, and if your looking for someone that isn't scumhunting then easjo is doing a lot less scumhunting.CryMeARiver wrote:
Why don't you see him as scum anymore?Zang wrote:
Well, easjo hasn't posted anything this day except a V/la notice which is expired (as you can tell by the prod). But now that I look back at the skeward I don't really see him as scum. So I'll vote for easjo,magna wrote:@Zang could you elaborate a bit on your suspicions?
Vote: easjo682
Why vote the lurker? Any thoughts on the case on me/NS?(\_/)
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I agree, this isn't really a case on him, more like an observation of what you did during the game but only minimally showing how that is scummy.Nobody Special wrote:
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Doesn't like Darox's nameclaim.
"Very skeptical of Josh". No given reason. At this point Josh is obv the D1 lynch.
Says SpryeX is "less jovial, less outspoken" than usual.
Is way, way too ready to lynch Josh, for "purposely misinterpreting things" - his example is the slippery slope debate. Concludes with "Please, get lynched. Vote: Josh. Still on Page 7. Still reading. Still happy with a Josh lynch."
When SpryeX (not harshly at all, complete with a wink smiley face) responds to his comments, he says "Just observing, sheesh. Don't get your panties in a bunch. Have NONE of you on this whole fucking board EVER heard of '"hyperbole?'"
D2, he votes a lurker. Laughably, he also says "I also have some suspicions about Darox (admitted active lurking, distancing from Josh)"
When Darox pressures CMAR, he says to CMAR, "So, what you'rereallysaying is that your target ceased to be a target, and, for whatever reason, you declined to even look for another target. Gotcha."
In essence: he seems to think everyone is scum. As soon as anyone is under any kind of pressure at all, he jumps onto them as though he's always been there. Furthermore, whenever he perceives any kind of pressure on himself (above, in the response to Darox, and also in the back-and-forths with CMAR), he responds with venomous ad-hom.
I'm definitely happy with a CMAR lynch. I'm fairly sure one is scum, and it's possible both are scum, and I don't see the other contributing positively to the game anyway. But I think NS is more likely to be scum, and CMAR's more likely to be just stupid.case?
I don't think everyone is scum. Far from it.
I have made cases on each person I've voted for; I'm very sorry if those cases aren't meeting your standards.
I do agree, though, that CMAR is just being VI.(\_/)
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Just because I have removed my vote doesn't mean I think he isn't scum, im going to see how his replacement handles things and then decide if I should vote for him. I also have a few minor suspicouns but nothing really voteworthy at the moment.Magna wrote:Now that easjo is being replaced you have removed your vote. Do you have any suspicions at this point or are you just content to hang out?
And welcome VasudeVa(\_/)
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Yes, I don't see why it matters though. I have stated before that I didn't think Josh was really scummy until he attempted to selfhammer.VasudeVa wrote:Zang #167 - Defending previously unconfirmed scum now are we?
Ok, well the only one really triggering my scumdar is VV but he really hasn't posted much so my question to him is-magna wrote:You don’t necessarily have to vote to act on your suspicions. You could work up some questions for those who are triggering your scum radar. In reviewing your ISO you really haven’t advanced any siginificant arguments or questions at players.
What did you think about easjo, the person you replaced? (besides that he was a lurker)
Well Darox did eventually provide his reasons for saying ooba was town and he has recently picked up his activity. I'm still a little suspicous of Darox but he hasn't really done anything major recently to increase theese suspicounsmagna wrote:This was two days before the lynch was made. What changed about your suspicion or lack thereof for Darox that you make no mention of him after night?(\_/)
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-Well if you waited a day until I had my case, I would have hammered.ooba wrote:
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There goes my case on VV
- You weren't on the wagon of theonlyplayer whom you focused on on D2
- I love the backtrack from your case.
- You already seem sure about the flip being town too ..
-I don't know what you mean in the last two(\_/)
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I don't really understand but I think we should do popcorn. It's quick and easy.ooba wrote:Not that I have a problem with going first - I just wanted to suggest an alternate method we tried out in Weeds mafia
Everyone lists out their order of suspicions i.e the order in which you want to claim first from 1 to 7. You assign points to each position so 1 would be 7, 2 would be 6. You total up the points for all 7 lists and then the people claim in order of their totals.
I personally think it is superior to the popcorn analysis as it gives more info for analysis ..(\_/)
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Ok, I'm a weak vigilante (like yosarian),
Next: DaroxWelcome to Victorian Vampire! I suggest you add the topic to your Watch list and read over the rules.
You are Marcus the Cobbler, part of the Angry Mob. You want to huddle in your shop’s protection, but your harpy of a wife has forced you into the night to join the town’s defense and prove your manhood. Once per night you may try to kill someone, succeeding if you get help from another player in the Angry Mob. You can’t do it alone, though. You win with town.
Please reply to this message with the name of your role to confirm that you have read the rules. Good luck!(\_/)
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Actually I think it clears me also. Think, my role contained the basic outline of both yours and SpyreXs role and the somewhat same flavor (the angry mob). I don't think anybody could actually make that up with nothing to base it on and be so close to both of yours.The claims in my mind only clear Cruelty. In a game with a Miller it is a certainty there is a Cop role on the innocent side. I also believe that this means there is an investigation immune Mafia role.
Does that make sence?(\_/)
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