Mini 948 - Victorian Vampire - Game Over

[Darox]

Vote: Slaine Hayes

Obvious Scum for Obvious Reasons. (It's capitalized so you know it's serious stuff)

[Darox]

Not unless/untill we massclaim, if at all.

[Darox]

Unvote, Vote: Ooba

Wagon ho, there's only room for one animated cat in this game.

[Darox]

That makes L-1.

[Darox]

Now that I look, though, SpyreX just admitted rolefishing so

Unvote
vote SpyreX

Why is what SpyreX did scummy?

Unvote

Vote:SpyreX

Why were you fishing?

Same to you.

[Darox]

There are some unique roles and combinations, most used before on other sites. However, the game is not focused on power roles, but instead on creating levels of interaction and subtext: games within the game.

I'm an Innkeeper.

What does that tell you?

[Darox]

Is this some sort of role claim or is this your actual profession? I am now a little bit confused...

What is that supposed to mean?

Darox, please explain your innkeeper comment. Is that some sort of flavorclaim?

Guess.

[Darox]

Darox, you really should not claim or tell us anything about your role, even the flavor, unless you really have to.

Why?

[Darox]

Ow.

Magna: wtf.

Spyrex: Do you think Josh is genuinely scummy? Your attacks seem disingenuous.

[Darox]

What am I laying out that even remotely seems like I don't actually think he's scum?

Because what Josh has done doesn't really say to me scum, and I think that you can see it too.

What do you think about crueltys contributions to the Josh wagon?

[Darox]

Wait, you're a suicide vig?

[Darox]

Also, Zang, what Ooba just did wasn't scummy, especially not if he's a suicide vig.

[Darox]

Spyrex is scum, Ooba is town, Josh is VI.

Case solved.

Unvote, Vote Spyrex

[Darox]

@Yosarian: If I thought someone was scummy, I'd be voting for them. If I think someone is town, you'll be the first to know.

I doubt yosarian is only looking for absolutes here.

Who do you suspect most? Who do you suspect at all?

[Darox]

@Yosarian: If I thought someone was scummy, I'd be voting for them. If I think someone is town, you'll be the first to know.

If you're town, then you need to start figuring out who your suspects are, trying to put pressure on them, and trying to scumhunt in general. Re-read the game, re-read people in isolation, make educated guesses.

If you're scum, then feel free to continue not doing anything, and I'll just keep voting you.

This goes for everyone.

A lot of people in this game seem to be saying "I don't have an opinion, so I'm going to sit around and wait for one to fall from the sky"

[Darox]

Ok, I guess that's how it works here. I play on other sites where trying to use powers you don't actually have is considered actual cheating and earns you a modkill or a warning. I'm not the only person in the thread who said it was unethical, so it's not just me. It never even occured to me that that was something you could do in a game of Mafia. To me it's like placing a vote that hammers someone just to see their twilight reaction, and then saying "Oh, wait, I was kidding that wasn't a real vote"

If it's a legal tactic here then ok, I'll have to remember that in the future. I still don't like it and everything I said about it stands. When someone says "kill: josh" in bold letters in some other game, I will assume he's lying until a mod tells me otherwise. I don't like that the rules force me to do that, but whatever.

A better example would be someone placing a hammer vote but purposely formatting it so that it does not count. (Not unvoting, not properly bolded, etc)

Never assume a lynch or daykill is true until the mod acts on or purposely ignores it, even if you're the one doing the actions.

[Darox]

I doubt yosarian is only looking for absolutes here.

 Spyrex is scum, Ooba is town, Josh is VI. 

Case solved. 

Unvote, Vote Spyrex

That's pretty conradictary.

How?

Because if you actually think about it, it's not.

[Darox]

Meanwhile you’ve dodged my question as to why those conclusions were drawn and completely ignored the second part of Zang’s statement, which asks the same thing. Please provide your reasons Why they are scum, town and VT specifically.

Yup. How about that.

[Darox]

Spyrex is scum because he's been constantly hounding Josh for very weak reasons.
At first I thought he was simply doing it to see who would try to go for it and generally get a feel for everyone based on how they react, but it seems he's really trying for a lynch.

Ooba is town because I say he is.
Josh is VI because he's constantly pulling newbie mistakes.

Active lurking is fun.

[Darox]

The four people voting him and a lurker.

That doesn't make him scum.

[Darox]

Why would I need to follow up on my questions if they got a response?

None of my questions are rhetorical.

[Darox]

Active lurking is fun.

Really? I thought it was more clearly anti-town / scummy.

Unvote, Vote: Darox.

The casual manner in which you ignore actually contributing until you get a vote makes me slightly angry, and I don’t think I’m the only one. Active lurking is not Pro-town. Giving the reason that a player is Town is ‘cause I say so’ is also not Pro-town.

Cry me a river cupcake, what I'm doing isn't scummy. And if you actually paid attention you would have noticed that I have contributed to this game several times, you're just apparently too dense to understand anything without several paragraphs explaining it.

When you can provide reasons for why I'm scum other than 'The Mafia Rules That Everyone Must Follow Or You Will Be Lynched By The Mindless' I'll start taking you seriously.

easjo
- Easily the worst amongst the lurkers
- Active lurking: Has time to answer what a kiwi is, but not the questions posed to him on his previous analysis
- Hasn't taken a stance (Disregarding the previous post)

I disagree, Darox is the worst of the active lurkers. He still hadn't said why he thinks you (Ooba) are scum.

I do agree with magna. I think he is confessing to active lurking as a joke in order to dismiss the fact that he is active lurking.

I don't think Ooba is scum, I said he was town, and I said that because that was the general feel I got from his posts at that time.
But you should already know that if you were actually reading the game.

Do I have to spell everything out for you?

[Darox]

In other news,

Unvote

[Darox]

I don't think Ooba is scum, I said he was town, and I said that because that was the general feel I got from his posts at that time.
But you should already know that if you were actually reading the game.

Do I have to spell everything out for you?

I meant town

And I've already explained in minute detail so that even you couldn't be confused about why I called Ooba town, and thus you wouldn't need to post this useless note.

But you should already know that if you were actually reading the game.

[Darox]

And I've already explained in minute detail so that even you couldn't be confused about why I called Ooba town, and thus you wouldn't need to post this useless note.

But you should already know that if you were actually reading the game.

This is a huge pile of bullshit. Your "minute detail" was literally "Ooba is town because I say he is".

I said he was town, and I said that because that was the general feel I got from his posts at that time.

But you should already know that if you were actually reading the game.

[Darox]

Yup.

And now you realize there is nothing wrong with that.

[Darox]

Is that all I have Josh?

One post where I say Spyrex is Scum and Ooba is town

(And that you're an idiot)

for totally random reasons?

(Totally random you guys)

But since you got all upset and complainy about how useless I am, let's be vindictive.

JOSHS AMAZING CONTRIBUTIONS TO SCUMHUNTING: THE MOVIE: THE GAME: THE LIST:

#1: Darox, scum for being third on the wagon.

(Snicker)

#2: Spyrex, scum for admitting rolefishing.

(Further Snickers)

Let's just pretend his embarassing discussion about how votes with 0 threat of lynch behind them create pressure didn't exist, for the sake of Joshs credibility, shall we?
#3:
Actually let's pretend his discussion about roleclaiming doesn't exist on this list either.
#3: Spyrex isn't scum, just crazy, Cruelty is scum for agreeing with Spyrexs crazy case.
This entire Spyrex-Josh argument is painful to read.
#4: Ooba is lynchworthy because he pulled an 'unethical' fakevig gambit.

(Oh wow)

#5: Spyrex is now scum for making an error, fixing it, but not changing his opinion.

(Note that the error in question doesn't invalidate Spyrex's point and it infact worked either way)

#6: Spyrex is scum for trying to push through a mislynch on someone who is going make it easy.

(Notice I actually pushed this theory much earlier)

#7: TheSkeward is scum for doing nothing but call for a Josh lynch.

Boy there sure are some real eye openers here.

Feel free to complain loudly that I haven't done anything and have stated no opinions at all on this game though. I'm sure I'll have to take you on a guided tour with some bold face type in the near future to shut you up.

[Darox]

Unvote
Vote:SpyreX

Why were you fishing?

Ok, keep this in mind.

Upon further review, I see where you explained yourself. i apologize, I missed that before.

But I'll keep my FoS on, like you,

I don't really feel the need to move my votes or FoS's unless I have good reason to.

Josh is attacked for the same reason, at one point by Slaine. Hypocritical contradiction much? Also, he now does not believe Spyrex was rolefishing.

Ok, I will ATTEMPT to get some logical discussion going here.

@Josh: If it turns out SpyreX is scum, what would you think of his alleged rolefishing then?

Alleged rolefishing? I thought you just stated that you didn't think he was rolefishing? Now you are looking for someone else to supply reasons to wagon another person.

I'm still so confused over the whole SpyreX situation.

Unvote

In other words "Josh did not supply me with a reason to attack Spyrex for his rolefishing". Also, what happened to "I don't feel the need to move my votes without a reason to"?

MORE IS TO COME! I don't have time for the rest

This is the last time CryMeARiver posted.
He has since posted frequently in other games.

What's the deal CMAR?

I believe you just put him at L-1.

Do you have any opinions on the wagon? Or are you just going to idly watch it roll by?

[Darox]

What a hero.

[Darox]

Nobody Special replaces Slaine Hayes - thank you NS! Deadline has been extended by a couple days to allow him to catch up as well.

Vote Count:

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

(1) Darox: Zang
(5) JoshTheStampede: easjo682, TheSkeward, cruelty, MagnaofIllusion, SpyreX
(3) Nobody Special

Slaine Hayes

: CryMeARiver, Yosarian2, Ooba
(2) SpyreX: Darox, JoshTheStampede

(1) Not Voting: Nobody Special

Day One ends by April 20th at toll of midnight PST.

Day One ends by April 22nd at toll of midnight PST.

An early moon rises, too large to be natural.

Last Votecount @ 311

Unvote, Vote: Darox.

Puts Josh at 4 votes @ 315

Vote: Josh

Puts Josh at 5 votes @ 337

unvote vote JoshTheStampede

Puts Josh at 6 votes @ 343

Not a hammer.

[Darox]

Vote: CryMeARiver

[Darox]

This post is a pretty good reason.

[Darox]

I also have some suspicions about Darox (admitted active lurking, distancing from Josh), but for now

Que?

The active lurking thing was an obvious joke, and distancing from Josh wouldn't make any sense given he was a traitor and one of the things about traitors is they typically don't know who the rest of mafia is and the mafia don't know who they are.

He was replaced. Providing more would be kind of ridiculous since it'd be hard for him to respond.

That's not a very good reason for not saying anything at all for several days.

[Darox]

Well, there are a bunch of variations, the Traitor isn't that well defined as a standard role.

Either they don't know each other at all, or one of them knows the other but not vis versa.

It really depends on the mod.

[Darox]

Voting CMAR so hard right now.

'No, nothing to do with miller. Also, I'm pretty sure one doesn't know that they are a miller, only regular.'

'I'd like to clear up that what I said has absolutely nothing to do with my role. Explanation later.'

If it's got nothing to do with your role, then it's speculation on the setup.

And if it's speculation on the setup, then why the hell did you imply you had such in depth knowledge.

[Darox]

So basically you've got nothing and your whole "I know something you don't know, I'll explain later" was a waste of time.


Where's that case on your suspect you promised?

[Darox]

So basically you've got nothing and your whole "

I know something you don't know, I'll explain later"

was a waste of time.


Where's that case on your suspect you promised?

Pretty sure I never said that.
I have a lot on my plate. It'll come.

I have reason to believe the bolded is true.

I'm pretty sure you did.

[Darox]

Actually I'd prefer it if the 7 or so people who are not saying anything at all would actually say something of value.

[Darox]

Unvote

Some things need to be addressed before anyone dies today.
Cry needs to stop stalling and post his touted ISO. He hasn't even said who it's on.

Cruelty needs to stop being scum.

[Darox]

NOT IMPRESSED.

[Darox]

Got any reasons/post #'s/vague gut feelings to back that up?

I'm kind of neutral to NS right now.

[Darox]

Your case is lackluster.

I am not impressed with it. It did not sway my opinions on NS or yourself.

[Darox]

That's pretty convincing. Yeah, I could go for a NS lynch over CMAR.
Let's get the ball rolling.

Vote: Nobody Special

[Darox]

Oh hey the thread came back.

[Darox]

If scum, why wouldn't they try to save their hide and push again on CMAR?

Because they think they can get away with dismissing the case by ignoring it rather than doing a really overblown and obvious scummove..

[Darox]

"NO U

Also, I agree this person that I am voting is town just being stupid."

If you think that's a town post, I am in favor of lynching everyone you think is town.

Are you saying that I agree CMAR is town? Because that's sure not the case - I said he's wrong about that.

Are you saying he's voting CMAR? Because that also isn't the case.

You managed to misinterpret this and then interpret it properly and complain about it from both sides. Why?

Because they think they can get away with dismissing the case by ignoring it rather than doing a really overblown and obvious scummove..

?

He voted before this whole push that way.
His unvote was because CMAR promised content (which hasn't been delivered).

That isn't some kinda "TRAP SPRUNG" move back regardless of alignment.

And, when pressure is on as scum - saying the other suspect is town?

So basically you're saying NS is town because when given the decision to setting himself on fire or do nothing, he chose to do nothing?

[Darox]

"NO U

Also, I agree this person that I am voting is town just being stupid."

If you think that's a town post, I am in favor of lynching everyone you think is town.

Are you saying that I agree CMAR is town? Because that's sure not the case - I said he's wrong about that.

Are you saying he's voting CMAR? Because that also isn't the case.

You managed to misinterpret this and then interpret it properly and complain about it from both sides. Why?

Because they think they can get away with dismissing the case by ignoring it rather than doing a really overblown and obvious scummove..

?

He voted before this whole push that way.
His unvote was because CMAR promised content (which hasn't been delivered).

That isn't some kinda "TRAP SPRUNG" move back regardless of alignment.

And, when pressure is on as scum - saying the other suspect is town?

So basically you're saying NS is town because when given the decision to setting himself on fire or do nothing, he chose to do nothing?

[Darox]

Ok so apparently my posting is screwed right now.

[Darox]

How is it an escape route if it's such an obvious scum move?

Also it's pretty obvious that everything in the quotations is a parody of NS's post. And the not voting doesn't make it wrong because NS only unvoted because he was parroting me and giving CMAR space for his analysis and his last posted stance on CMAR prior to this was "Yes, CMAR, I suspect you are total scum. Hence, my vote. "

Also Zang, did you actually read through NS's posts or did you just look at Skewards post and say "hur he hasn't filled in all the blanks for me"?

[Darox]

If you're scum and getting caught and have expressed constant disdain (but, at this moment in time are unvoting to see if they actually deliver what they've promised) and they clamor on you moving your vote BACK to where it is declaring the only other avenue of votes as town isn't a good way to stay alive versus going "well, they've delivered no content, vote"

I'm still baffled at this whole discussion from a root level. CMAR hasn't DONE anything and that wall of text still is: lurker, voted for me, voted for me, voted for me.

And then all of a sudden everyone went welp and now nothingness.

This isn't a dichotomy.

Also CMAR, your case doesn't really have weight because it doesn't show any behaviour with obvious scum motivation and it doesn't explain why said behaviour is suspicious.

[Darox]

Hey cruelty. CMAR lynch isn't happening today. NS is where it's at. Switch?

Do you honestly believe that your case is so overwhelming that people should just blindly follow? Posts like this tend to work for players with a strong personality and established rep. Neither of which I think you have.

Actually, provided he is making sense and giving reasons (He is) I don't think it matters a damn who he is or his reputation.

In other news, hopefully VV will have time to get fully up to date, but if not, a deadline extension would be appreciated.

[Darox]

1) Nobody Special actually wasn't voting CMAR. Part of the reason I find NS scum is his opportunism, but discovering that it goes as far as comments and not as far as votes makes him less scummy.

?

unvote

Vote: CMAR

Yes, CMAR, I suspect you are total scum. Hence, my vote.

Unvote

Some things need to be addressed before anyone dies today.
Cry needs to stop stalling and post his touted ISO. He hasn't even said who it's on.

Cruelty needs to stop being scum.

CMAR has intimated that his ISO is on Slaine. I can't recall anything that contradicts that.

Unvote

Some things need to be addressed before anyone dies today.
Cry needs to stop stalling and post his touted ISO. He hasn't even said who it's on.

Cruelty needs to stop being scum.

Thank ya kindly. ISO is almost done, have had a few things back here in reality to deal with.

You are either THE slowest mafia player in all of recorded history, or you're lying through your teeth.

I'm waiting, but this better be damned good. Also, ooba brought up some good points that I want to look into.

unvote

Nobody Special
Doesn't like Darox's nameclaim.
"Very skeptical of Josh". No given reason. At this point Josh is obv the D1 lynch.
Says SpryeX is "less jovial, less outspoken" than usual.
Is way, way too ready to lynch Josh, for "purposely misinterpreting things" - his example is the slippery slope debate. Concludes with "Please, get lynched. Vote: Josh. Still on Page 7. Still reading. Still happy with a Josh lynch."
When SpryeX (not harshly at all, complete with a wink smiley face) responds to his comments, he says "Just observing, sheesh. Don't get your panties in a bunch. Have NONE of you on this whole fucking board EVER heard of '"hyperbole?'"
D2, he votes a lurker. Laughably, he also says "I also have some suspicions about Darox (admitted active lurking, distancing from Josh)"
When Darox pressures CMAR, he says to CMAR, "So, what you're

really

saying is that your target ceased to be a target, and, for whatever reason, you declined to even look for another target. Gotcha."

In essence: he seems to think everyone is scum. As soon as anyone is under any kind of pressure at all, he jumps onto them as though he's always been there. Furthermore, whenever he perceives any kind of pressure on himself (above, in the response to Darox, and also in the back-and-forths with CMAR), he responds with venomous ad-hom.

I'm definitely happy with a CMAR lynch. I'm fairly sure one is scum, and it's possible both are scum, and I don't see the other contributing positively to the game anyway. But I think NS is more likely to be scum, and CMAR's more likely to be just stupid.

You call this a

case?

I don't think everyone is scum. Far from it.

I have made cases on each person I've voted for; I'm very sorry if those cases aren't meeting your standards.

I do agree, though, that CMAR is just being VI.

He did vote CMAR though.

This is why I said although you were technically wrong about NS voting CMAR when he called Cry a VI, you were still in a sense correct because of the way in which he unvoted and his "Total Scum" post.

[Darox]

NS Scum seems to lead to Spyrex and/or Darox scum.

I personally want the NS lynch today because there are some major connections between him and Spyrex/Darox.

I don't get this.

I seem to have replaced into a extreme lurker spot. If my town reads ever found my predecessor's lurkiness malicious, feel free to ask. I think I can explain why she lurked like a mofo but I don't think I should yet.

You shouldn't do that, that's bad.

[Darox]

No really.

Why are you linking me as NS scumbuddy? Why are you saying I'm defending him?

Calling me nosey doesn't let you act like you're right when you are not.

[Darox]

You mean his waffly argument about how Slaine/NS never picked a side and was lazy?
The entire thing bored me to tears and never provided a sharp point. It was and still is a bad argument.

When Skeward posted his case, that got me to sit up and look through NS's posts and confirm that everything was as Skeward said.

Which is why I am voting for NS right now and am infact the first on the list of people who are doing so.

But no, you're right, I'm defending NS with all my might because he's so precious to me.

[Darox]

In essence: he seems to think everyone is scum. As soon as anyone is under any kind of pressure at all, he jumps onto them as though he's always been there. Furthermore, whenever he perceives any kind of pressure on himself (above, in the response to Darox, and also in the back-and-forths with CMAR), he responds with venomous ad-hom.

Vs.

Slaine Hayes has done nothing and said nothing. No opinions, no scumhunting.

(Attacks Slaine for something he didn't actually do in the process. Does it again slightly later.)

NS

(Starts with a brilliant statement where he twists a neutral statement and portrays it as a negative one)

doesn't give a huge bold type quote list of reasons why he feels Josh is scummy. Cry is too stupid to work them out for himself and feels upset by this.
Targeting the lurker.
Being lazy and letting others scumhunt for him.
Not providing reasons for votes.
Bandwagoning.

He only very briefly gets close to what Skeward is talking about in the last quote, and manages to drop the ball in pushing home the one real point.

If you think TheSkeward and CMAR posted identical cases you're beyond help.

On the plus side, making me reread and analyze CMAR's case has bumped him up a few rungs in the scum ladder.

[Darox]

Also I don't think you comprehend the difference between calling an argument worthless and defending someone.

[Darox]

Spyrex is scum, Ooba is town, Josh is VI.

Given you have not mentioned Sprex once today I feel the need to ask – is he still scum in your eyes? Or was, as you put it at ISO 26 “totally random you guys”. If so why were you random voting well out of RVS?

TOTALLY RANDOM YOU GUYS.

Cruelty needs to stop being scum.

Is cruelty still scum? Beyond NS (and I still assume CMAR) who do you find most suspicious?

I don't know. Cruelty, have you stopped being scum like I told you?

I seem to have replaced into a extreme lurker spot. If my town reads ever found my predecessor's lurkiness malicious, feel free to ask. I think I can explain why she lurked like a mofo but I don't think I should yet.

Does the explanation have nothing to do with in-game but rely solely on easjo meta? Because otherwise the only other explanation you could offer is role-based. Given you specifically pointed out soft-claim / claim requests as something you didn’t like out of CMAR, myself, ooba I really would like to know if you are inviting requests for some variety of claim yourself. That would seem to be inconsistent. Note that I want nothing of a claim from you just information as to were your explanation comes from.

Thanks Captain Obvious! No one has mentioned this before!

[Darox]

Yeah, I'm staring to get the

Red Herring

feeling...

I don't think you know what that phrase means.

I also don't think either of you are really paying attention to what I am saying or have said, and are instead getting all whiny and upset and hurt because I'm not playing the way you think everyone should play.

[Darox]

In other news, Skeward, did you look at my #524 post? Or does it just not change your mind?

[Darox]

Waaaaaaaaah

#1: Spyrex

Posts where I talk about him being scummy. #1 #2 #3 #4
So with that we've established that my vote was not random, and that my 'Totally random you guys' was an obvious joke poking fun at the stupid people who can only read what they want to see and not whats in front of them.

Then, I unvote Spyrex here. I don't vote him or attack him for the rest of the day.

Now, if you're a super psychic genius, you might be able to infer from this that I no longer felt Spyrex was acting scummy enough to warrant mention. For those of you who are not super psychic geniuses, I no longer felt Spyrex was acting scummy enough to warrant mention, hence the unvote and lack of further attacks.


#2: Cruelty

Posts where I personally mention Cruelty. #1 #2

Note that number one has some super difficult and complex analysis behind it and you may want to read it slowly to prevent your brain from melting.
As shown earlier, I expressed some minor suspicions of Spyrex and how I felt his attacks on Josh were disingenuous. I then asked Spyrex what he thought of Cruelties contributions to the Josh wagon. Using voodoo magic and wizardry, we can infer from this that I felt cruelties contributions were suspicious or lackluster.
Number two is the post you whined about.

From these two posts, we can tell that I have some very minor suspicions of cruelty, but have not felt they were enough to outrank my major suspicions of at those times.

As for "Who do you find most suspicious besides NS and CMAR", this is a bad question because A: I'm never going to lynch them over my main suspects until something changes and B: They can easily change within as much as one post.


#3: Yelling to the world about how VV has implied a softclaim.

If you noticed, here, I told VV that his softclaim was bad without ever pointing to the fact with a giant neon sign. Unlike you.

[Darox]

Oh I forgot to mention for #3.

Also unlike you, I managed to scold him for it without fishing for confirmation that it was in fact a softclaim.

[Darox]

I liked the part where you didn't realize questions can convey suspicion and when ignored the explanations of Cruelty #1 because I was being mean.

Unvote

Because I'm suddenly more interested in CMAR and want to look at some things before anyone dies.

[Darox]

EBWOP: and then*

[Darox]

Ok, let's look at votes for today.

Skeward

-> NS (1) -> CMAR (4) -> NS (3) -> CMAR (3)

Darox

-> CMAR (1) -> Unvote [CMAR (4)] -> NS (2) -> Unvote [NS (4)]

NS

-> Easjo (1) -> CMAR (5) -> Unvote [CMAR(3)] -> VV (1)

Cruelty

-> Magna (1) -> CMAR (3)

Spyrex

-> CMAR (2)

Ooba

-> Cruelty (1) -> NS(3)

CMAR

-> NS (1) ->Skeward (1) -> NS(4)

Zang

-> Easjo (1) -> Unvote

VasudeVa

-> NS (2)

Magna

-> NS(5)

I don't know, that doesn't seem too helpful. It shows Skeward & myself being split between CMAR & NS, it shows Zang not doing a lot of anything, and that, excluding Skeward and myself, 4 people want to lynch NS vs 3 people wanting to lynch CMAR, with Zang doing his own thing.

I did notice while doing this though, is the fact VV labels CMAR scum in his first big post and then proceeds to defend/buddy him for the rest of the game largely on the basis of CMAR's NS case.

NS: I think you should claim. Don't make me go through the formality of voting you again.

[Darox]

I think Zang needs to pick a side or provide an amazing reason to go for a third person.

I also think CMAR is the better play today.

Vote: CMAR

[Darox]

Info I can remember of the top of my head:

I have a large post from yos that he wrote up to confirm my claim
Yos was a miller, but he did not know he was a miller, though his role pm specified that he wasn't really a nice guy
He was a weak vig meaning he is part of an angry mob that individually selects a person to vig each night, and if there is a majority, that person will be killed - he chose slaine hayes last night (someone could claim and confirm this or we could just coordinate there kills without them claiming)
Josh did not know his scumbuddies, despite him being a doc, and they did not know him

I breadcrumbed many of these things, but no one caught on.

If you believe anything a scum role has told you you're a bigger fool than I thought.

[Darox]

Also, you didn't breadcrumb, you out and softclaimed, and I and others grilled you for it.

[Darox]

VV, stop being dumb.

Did I say I disbelieve the claim anywhere?

No.

Did I say he should not listen to whatever a mod-confirmed scum role tells him? Yes.

[Darox]

quote="Darox"]VV, stop being dumb.

Did I say I disbelieve the claim anywhere?

No.

Did I say he should not listen to whatever a mod-confirmed scum role tells him? Yes.

Yos and I did not at first but he said something along the lines of "now that I'm dead, I have no reason to wifom"[/quote]

Yes he does, and the reason is that dead scum members still win if their team wins.

[Darox]

@Darox: I'm not dumb, you're just silly, plus you aren't explaining yourself. I have half-the-mind to lynch you out of this game just to get rid of that horrendous style of play yours.

What do you mean mod confirmed scum role? I don't remember any of that. (Then again, my reread was skim-heavy).

Spirits in the Void; or, The dead call you to join them.

JoshTheStampede,

Isolated Traitor/Mafia Doctor, Vampire Coven,

was lynched Day One.

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUR.

Maybe VV, you should learn how to not get blinded by a one line insult and actually stay level headed enough to understand the game.

It'll help stop you making stupid mistakes.

[Darox]

Actually, Magna could stand to learn that lesson as well.

I loved it when he ignored the entirety of my explanations because I poked fun at him at the same time.

[Darox]

@CMAR: Can you talk to Josh too?

You're not even reading are you?

Vote: VasudeVa

It's a good lynch.

[Darox]

Oh wait unvotes, right.

Unvote, Vote: VasudeVa

[Darox]

I'd be posting here to say that I'd be back with a comprehensive post later ...

but then the hammer.

Let me just say for the record that the fact that no-one seems to have considered the possibility of fake-claims provided by the Mod I find odd.

Just because someone hasn't said something doesn't mean they can't be thinking it.

...

Idiot.

[Darox]

Vote: Zang

[Darox]

Fine with massclaim.

Unvote

[Darox]

I'm an Innkeeper.

Welcome to Victorian Vampire! I suggest you add the topic to your Watch list and read over the rules.

You are Leopold the Innkeep. During the night you tend to weary travelers and thirsty patrons. You win with

town

.

Please reply to this message with the name of your role to confirm that you have read the rules. Good luck!

Cruelty.

[Darox]

The claims in my mind only clear Cruelty. In a game with a Miller it is a certainty there is a Cop role on the innocent side. I also believe that this means there is an investigation immune Mafia role.

Actually I think it clears me also. Think, my role contained the basic outline of both yours and SpyreXs role and the somewhat same flavor (the angry mob). I don't think anybody could actually make that up with nothing to base it on and be so close to both of yours.

Does that make sence?

No, it doesn't clear you, because as it has been pointed out, fake claims being provided for scum in a game with mod quoting is almost assured.

[Darox]

Hey guys.

Coming up with elaborate scum team proposals with no clues but a dead traitor is a great idea!
Oh Wait.
It's a terrible idea and quick suicide for town.

Let's look at the setup as it stands.

3 weak vigs
1 cop
1 blocker
2 VT

(Almost certainly)

2 scum hidden amongst them.
Both claiming weak vigs is all but impossible given the second death N2.

Given that 4 vigs would mean 3 potential night kills, this seems unlikely as the true setup, meaning 1 of the 3 vigs is scum.

Scum as cop is possible, but risky considering cruelty should be dead tommorow.

Which makes it likely to be either the blocker or one of the two VT's.

So.

One of myself, Ooba, or Skeward should be lynched.

The vig trio should be worked out so that the two most suspicious members fire at each other, with the third randomly picking one to shoot.

Cruelty should investigate one of the two people out of myself, Ooba, or Skeward who was not lynched.

Doing this, we should have a reasonable turn out. If cruelty is scum, I think we're boned, but in all other situations we should be able to coast to victory.

[Darox]

Pretty much, although you shouldn't investigate either of the two vigs shooting at each other in any circumstance.

[Darox]

Spyrex was innocent as told by our town confirmed cop.
If magna and zang were both telling the truth Spyrex should be dead.

Really Ooba should have been lynched and Spyrex be the deciding vig, but whatever.

I'm heavily inclined to believe Spyrex is town, and one of magna/zang is scum.

[Darox]

You did that stupid thing you do again.
You took something I said and made leaping assumptions based on them.

The vigs are not a purely protown role (And are greatly weakened), and neither is a roleblocker.
Spiritulist is a role that can be really useful or not at all, and is unlikely to have weighed heavily into balance considerations.
Miller is cop bait.

I would be surprised if the remaining scum were 2 goons, but to leap to the conclusion you have and vote right out of the gates in LYLO is absurd.

[Darox]

Two things need to happen.

Spyrex needs to post his communications with the mod as a sign of good faith, and Zang needs to come in and say something.

[Darox]

Time to upset the party.

Anyone notice how Skewards success messages are separate from his action confirmed messages? And how none of you got something similar?

This suggests to me that the confirmation messages each of you got do not indicate whether or not any of you were blocked.

In other news, Ooba! Why so quiet?
Surely you want to speak up and help us work out this little problem?

Oh and Magna.

NS died the night Skeward tried to block him.
I didn't.

Maybe you can work out the connection. I doubt it though. Don't worry, I'm sure someone will point out the obvious for you though.

[Darox]

Man I wanted to lynch Ooba both times.

I managed twice to come back to the thread and see "Oh look, the town managed to lynch the wrong person before I could tell them how bloody stupid they are"

[Darox]

I actually just claimed Innkeeper to stir up conversation.

I wasn't really bothered by the potential NK aspect, considering how unlikely it was.