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You are awesome.Coheed wrote:vote:duckduck96
GOOSE
I kinda like my role, but I can see that it might get troublesome on the later days, so I think I'm going to claim now. I'm a hider.
Basically, my role allows me to target one person each night, and if that person is town, I get nk immunity. If that person is scum, I die. I also die if the person I am hiding with is killed that night.
The reason for why I'm claiming now is because a) I don't think my role is normal enough so that you guys will know what I am if I die at night, and b) If I die at night, you guys should know who to look at next. Since I've never been an investigative role, none of you have any meta on me telling you who I might have been targeting. Just so you all know, I'm going to go with targeting neutral reads.
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Well, if there is only one kill, you know that the scum probably just right out blocked and killed me. If there are two kills, you know that I was killed for hiding behind scum/the scum's kill. Now, if a person I think is town dies and I die in the same night, you know that I died for targeting scum, because I'm not going to target my town reads. The only way that my results can be muddied is if the scum kill a neutral read and I die on the same night, which I don't think is going to happen.muzzz wrote:And since your role is only useful if we can be sure why you died, well, you get the picture...
I already did in my claim.Nachomamma wrote:Don't answer that, please.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!- Nikanor
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Which one is scummier, the leader or the follower?muzzz wrote:I just don't like how he and Duck unvote and point at Par as soon as Nacho calls them out.
I was going to say this!Nachomamma wrote:The immediate vote after the Confid vote, then the immediate vote after the confid unvote is scummy to me.
Meta argument on page four? *Facepalm*duckduck wrote:Looking through Kenman's play (as town) in newbie 905, he seems to be acting significantly more analytically in that game than what we can see here, and even when accused manages to keep his cool rather than playing the newbie card.
Vote: duckduck.
Kenman is probtown. The only way there is two mafia in this game is if there is an sk, and there is no way sk+mafia+hider would get passed as normal (it could make up to three deaths in one night).I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!- Nikanor
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tl;dr: I have no opinion on Ken.Coheed wrote:A few of Kens actions have stood out to me as well. An apparent role fishing happened when he asked what roles/how many scum/town etc. It may just be a noob mistake, but only time will tell, and it stands out to me.
tl;dr: I have nothing new to say.Coheed wrote:Right now im happy with where my random (not anymore) vote went. Duck has become the most suspicious is my eyes. This is mainly for his indecision about his vote, yet he still continued to press a case. This does not makes sense to me at all, and comes off as scummy. Being the first, second and even third vote as this point is not dangerous.
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Parama, you realize that duckduckattackedKenman with meta, right? The whole reason for why I want him lynched is because duckduck attacked Kenman with a meta argument, and even said something along the lines of, 'that's one more reason to be suspicious of him,' meaning that duckduck is suspicious of Kenman's actions without voting Kenman (or anyone at all. It might be forgivable if he were voting muzzz or something, but he's not voting anyone atm), making duckduck scum. The lurking from duckduck now is just icing on the cake.
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Locke, you've been in a game with duckduck scum before. Granted, he replaced out before you replaced in, and it was ten months ago, but it's the meta you were asking for all the same.
P.S. It doesn't take a meta analysis to realise that duckduck is scum.
Your suspicions are divided, eh? May I ask why? You haven't given reasons for suspecting either of them.Nobody Special wrote:My suspicions are divided between Kenman and duckduck. I highly doubt they're a team, obviously.
I would like to hear more from duckduck about what he thinks about kenman.
Also, your second paragraph here looks like fake scumhunting.
All I see from NS is fake scumhunting and active lurking. NS will be tomorrow's lynch if I die tonight, 'kay? Thanks.
Scum pegged by Nikanor so far:
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One of the lurkers (maybe dramonic?)I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!- Nikanor
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I posted that for Parama. He asked what the case was, so I gave it to him.DTM wrote:Hey you posted the above in response to Duckduck's meta call right?
People go back to page 4: Muzz also posted a meta attackDTM wrote:s that muzzz is voting for duckduck. duckduck is not voting for Kenman. If you read what I wrote, you'll see that I state the main reason for why I'm oting duckduck: he made a crappy attack on someone after unvoting that person.
DTM wrote:I see no indication on where you mentioned any intention of Duck's lack of voting, and weak argument. It looks entirely like you pieced together with the arguments from Muzz, Nacho (called out on Duck's lack of voting), Nobody (Prod Duck please!) with a hint of ConfidAnon and CoheedCambria09, and LL, and who ever else I'm missing on the Duck wagons.
Arguments are obvious once everyone else made them Nikanor. IGMEOY
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It looks like I'm going to have to explainyet anothercase to Parama.
dramonic is doing nothing. He is actively lurking. He does not do that as town.
Done.
Who said I was trying? >_>dramonic wrote:Also, if you wanna pass as a female you shouldnt jump in innuendos like that.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!- Nikanor
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Facepalm != calling someone scummy. When I think someone is scummy for something, I call them scummy for it.DTM wrote:Hai. But Muzz metaed Duck? You are ignoring the point. Muzz presented a meta attack on Duck, like Duck presented a meta attack on Ken. Duck's lack of voting, yes that is scummy. Duck's meta attack makes you face palm because it's on page 4? Wait what! Why didn't you apply it to Muzz.
Using meta on page four isn't inherently scummy play. I thought this was obvious, but maybe this is the communication problem we seem to be having. Using meta on page four is bad play, but it is not scummy. That's why I'm not calling muzzz scummy for using a meta argument.
Why do people keep saying 'Greater *foo*'? It is 'Combined *foo*'.DTM wrote:(Aside: I just thought of a bastardy role: A Greater Hider Serial Killer. The Serial Killer kidnaps a player to murder them: but if you shoot his target you kill the Serial Killer. Your "Kill Dramonic" statement made me giggle and come up with this idea )
For example, Super Cream Puff is dccomb, meaning Combined Doctor Cop. You people need to learn this.
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Uhh, I eat lots of cheese. Does that count for something?DTM wrote:(PPS Aside: I heard if you eat lots of fruit, it's actually sweet. )I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!- Nikanor
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You realize that this makes 50% assuming a normal distribution of the range you've given, right?SpyreX wrote:I'd give Nik's hider claim an 80-20% chance of being a town maneuver
I'm saddened by the lack of promised catch-up posts by Confid.
Coheed is active lurking.
Locke is being his usual flaky self, unfortunately.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!- Nikanor
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You gave a confidence interval of 80-20%. >_> For it to be that large, I would assume ~99.9% confidence anyway.Spy wrote:30% for distribution? I'm about a 10%er myself when I give figures like that. So, its pretty damn confident.
Why are hoping he changes his ways? It feels like you know dram's alignment when you say this.muzzz wrote:If it comes to choosing between the two, lynching Dramonic seems like a slightly more prudent option. But for now, I'm going to hope very hard that Dramonic will see the light, and change his ways.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!- Nikanor
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Wot.NS wrote:Perhaps the busiest person in this game. Do you guys know my pet theory? No? Well, I'll tell you: scum tend to either lurk profusely OR post so damned much that eyeballs bleed. Guess what? I think Nik is making my eyeballs bleed. Lots of posts, lots of great content, but....still, that red flag is waay up for me.
According to this, I'm scummy for posting too much content. Do you know what the Too Townie fallacy is, NS?
How is that the most noteworthy thing to you so far?
How is that scummier than duckduck's behaviour?
Why aren't you voting me?
Why are you making your connection to Spy so obvious? I think Spy is doing a decent job replacing someone so scummy. It's just so sad that you're giving him away like this.
Unvote. Vote: Nobody Special.
Fixed for you. Hopefully this makes a bit more sense motivation-wise.Parama wrote:Your scummiest read is the claimed townbulletproofPR.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!- Nikanor
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That's because NS has very clearly contradicted himself. Everyone can agree to lynching that. Not everybody agrees that dramonic's lurking (active or no) is scummy, however. That is why there is a difference in the number of votes they have each garnered.
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I've played in a game with a hider before....farside wrote:post 39 you never heard of a hider? It's pretty normal role since you claimed already you may want to list at least 4 players you find scummy. Breadcrumbing would have been better.
And I'm not listing my neutral reads (the ones I said I'd investigate) until we've decided to end the day.
Do you not like it? Do you think it's scummy? This is IIOA.farside wrote:post 110 seriously I think this is about 5 post after you said no one put duck at L-1. WTH?
a) I've explained this, probably.farside wrote:post 162 why is NS on this list? post 198 all this arguing on meta and you use it to switch your vote? *pleads for sanity*
b) It's not meta. It's just that I wouldn't vote him for it if he did do it as town. For example, I'd gladly vote Locke for lurking if I didn't know that he was a chronic lurker regardless of alignment.
Why no mention offarside wrote:Locke by far is so scummy it makes hurts. First the push on muzz when duck did the EXACT SAME THING AND GETS IGNORED. HELLO!!! MCFLY!!
Ignoring one person over the other scummy.mydouble standards on that same matter as pointed out by DTM?
I see your post as a lot of information, but I can't really sort out who you think is scummy. Explain please?
It's called distancing. Gawd. Why do you think that Confid didn't vote for NS?Nacho wrote:The NS wagon sucks because Confid just tried to weasel his way on it.
Also, I think the only quick-hammers we'd see if NS is scum are self-hammers.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!- Nikanor
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IIoA stands for Information Instead of Analysis.
No, I mean my double standard on duckduck and muzzz both using a meta argument. I called duckduck out on making a meta argument, but didn't say anything about muzzz's meta argument. Why didn't you say anything about that?farside wrote:Your a claimed hider but I did call you out for making a meta point and wondering wtf you are thinking.
I don't understand this. I thought it was fairly obvious. What prompted you to say this?farside wrote:You going to "hide" behind your claim and continue to make points that are scummy that's on you.
And who do you think is town?farside wrote:As for the second I think I was pretty damn clear at the end. I assume you didn't read everything so here is the short point at the end I stated.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!- Nikanor
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You just pointed something out. Was it scummy of me to do that? Was it town of me to do that? What's the point of asking me about it (which you didn't do, btw)? I'm obviously not going to claim day cop.farside wrote:Your going have explain what IIOA has to do with asking you about wanting to lynch duck 5 post later after saying to wait.
No, not over. But youfarside wrote:Is there a reason I should point out you hemming at one person over another? I stopped thinking you were scummy many pages ago. Just don't like where you are coming from.shouldbe looking at everyone objectively. Something one person does should affect your reads on another. If you think I'm town and that I did the same thing, how is it a scumtell for Locke and not a scumtell for me?
This is soooo scummy. farside, a town player isn't afraid to share his town reads, because chances are good that the scum will figure it out based on voting history and stuff like that anyway. A scum player is afraid to share his town reads, because he doesn't want to narrow his mislynch options.farside wrote:Town views? That's a dumb thing to ask this early? Hell that's a dumb question to ask, period. Do you think I really want to help the scum know or point to who is town in my view?
Should I paint a bullseye on them too?
Plus, you already said you think I'm town earlier in this post.
Could you repeat what you need answered, then? I thought I had responded to everything you had directed at me.DTM wrote:2. Some reason it feels like you sidestepped my comment about: how you presented your duckduck vote/meta facepalm comment. You have nothing to say?
I see that NS has signed up to mod in the open queue. Verrry interrresting.
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Look, he's even online.The main page wrote:Registered Users: Cirno, Coyote, Cuetlachtli, danakillsu, dramonic, Elmo, Ether, hitogoroshi, Idiotking, Iecerint, Jahudo, Kenman, Kishime, Lacey, molestargazer, My Milked Eek, Nachomamma8, NavyCherub,Nobody Special, ooba, Papa Zito, PatResults, Robocopter87, scotmany12, shadow2222, TheRealGunSmith, yabbaguy, ZangI am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!- Nikanor
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How is it questionable? Is questionable supposed to be a code-word for scummy or something?farside wrote:It was highly questionable comment in my view.
Are you being knitpicky for a reason? I did ask you WTH? It was a serious question. You dodged it and are now just asking questions about how I rate you. Are you looking for me to say OMG you are scummy for a reason?
I don't see you as pro-town as far as my read on you. I don't get if your trying to force people to call you scummy for a reason?
What you think of me is actually pretty inconsequential, imo. It seems that you're holding Locke and I to a double standard, though, which I don't like because it looks to me as if you're picking on the easier lynch (Locke) and ignoring the harder lynch (me).farside wrote:Let me look at this again. But I keep getting the impression you want me to call you scum based on your claim. I would rather wait and see on you first.
Why are you defending Locke so much?
Did you end up looking at it again, btw?
I'm asking you for your town reads because I want to see what you think about others, and for future reference. I want to see if you'll contradict yourself.farside wrote:I don't see a pro-town reason right now to list my town suspect. Do you? Why is it scummy from farside town? Just becuase I stopped seeing you as scummy doesn't mean I find you town. Your at best someone I wait to see on.
Why are you pushing me for my town views and not others?
Also, I'm pressuring you. I see scumminess about you, so I'm pressuring you. Is that difficult to understand?
No. I still have unfinished business with farside.SpyreX wrote:Can we PLLEEEASE lynch NS already? My lord.
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Going against the flow is a scum tactic for town cred, as well as WIFOM.farside wrote:Nik: That is bull. The easier lynch is NS. How is Locke an easier lynch?
Do you expect me to answer this:farside wrote:Why do you avoid my questions?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the term is 'building a strawman.'farside wrote:Are you being knitpicky for a reason?
I don't get if your trying to force people to call you scummy for a reason?
I ignored what muzzz said at first. Locke did the same thing to duckduck. That's what I mean when I say you have double standards in regards to him and I.farside wrote:@Nik: How is what you said about duck have anything to do with Locke ignoring Duck?
I just looked and you responde to the muzz case but feel more confident in duck. How is this similar to what Locke did?I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!- Nikanor
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@Suavemod: Would a hypothetical Mafia Roleblocker be able to roleblock and kill in the same night if he is the only mafioso remaining?
I hid behind Locke. I'm not going to be hiding any more, though, knowing that there are two killers and at least two scum left.
So from my PoV there are four or five possible scum here:
dram
muzzz
farside
Fate (kinda sorta not really too confirmed)
Spy (maybe SK, but I doubt it)
Obvious bussing is obvious. Not to mention she was defending Nobody Special all day before this vote, and gave a crap reason for voting him (oh hey I found something mildly scummy! Even though I'm pretty sure he's a VI, I'll throw my vote on him and see what happens!)farside wrote:Just read him in iso and he stated he would rather scum hunt and failed to do so. Last I checked he found Nik the scummiest for posting to the point of making his eyes bleed. Bleck.
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There's nine people alive now, Spy. If three people die tonight, that'll leave us with five tomorrow... actually, I think I will hide, now that I look at the numbers. Except that this time, I'll hide behind one of my scummier reads, and tell you who my target is. That way, we can go into lylo with a sure thing if I die, and get a spot in a 3p endgame automatically.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!- Nikanor
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I really hate to tell you this dram, but I don't think our mod has even heard of Natural Action Resolution.
I don't support a massclaim. I think that all of our power roles are outed now anyway.
dram, here's how it goes down:
We lynch Fate. Either farside is telling the truth and is town, or she's lying scum. I really doubt the possibility of bussing at this point. So we lynch Fate, and if he flips town then we lynch farside.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!- Nikanor
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3 Goon, 1 SK vanilla setup (day one) wrote:Goon
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Then you lynch a townie and lose the game to the SK. Even though you lynched a goon every day save the last day, you still lose.Day Four, after lynching a goon and one town death wrote:SK
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Oh, you know where it's going. You know very well.Spy wrote:Of course, the fact that Dram died and Nik didn't makes me unhappy because I think I know where this is going.
I'm a townie.
@Mod: Do we know farside's sanity? Supposing she was insane, would we be told that?
We might have a Mafia Redirecter or something like that on our hands.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!- Nikanor
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Let's play "find the scum on this wagon," shall we? The day two lynch is pretty useless info-wise, but day one is decent.Day One Lynch wrote:Nobody Special: SpyreX, Parama,Dramonic,ConfidAnon, muzzz,farside22,Nachomamma8
muzzz:
Scummy place on the wagon, and crappy reasoning for a vote. NS was 5th on muzzz's suspect list, meaning that muzzz was effectively neutral on NS, right?
Wrong.
muzzz thought that NS was scummy. Yet he put NS behind every other conceivably scummy person, including Parama, who muzzz only mentioned twice that day.
Vote: muzzz.
It's either muzzz or Parama today. Maybe even both are scum. Paramascum makes sense for the Nacho kill, but I'm not about to lynch someone on NK-analysis alone.I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!- Nikanor
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If this wasn't bullshit, I'm sure you would have told me the order they actually were in.muzzz wrote:@Nik: just because I'm V/LA doesn't mean you can pretend I said things. I never said in which order I posted my scumlist. And I mentioned Par way more than twice.
DTM ignoring my claim makes me feel better about him.
Parama, would you be okay with lynching 12KB today?I am in the bottom 10% of scumhunters onsite!- Nikanor
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