Mini 937 - Mafia on Death Row OVER

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/noodle

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lol drk sure loves his food. Pretty sure he's a mathlover as well. So, yeah, that's drk.

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I never imagined Damon Gant begging for mercy.

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^this

Really, it took you nearly a day?

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Vote: Damon Gant

For being an awesome villain in PW.

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How could we convince you to lynch yourself?

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I forgot how I got around that in PW

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Never mind people's homes, we need more votes on Gant.

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Never mind people's homes, we need more votes on Gant.

Any particular reason other than you dislike the letter combination of G-A-N-T?

Why would anyone need more than that to vote for Gant?

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You're just in denial.

And why was peg editing deathsauce's wiki page?

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Geeze, there really hasn't been much content filled posts has there guys, lets kick off a conversation, where in the world is everyone from?

lol, you complain about the lack of content, but want us to talk about where we're from?

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L-2 is never worrisome. Especially not this early in the game.

- mafiassk should know this
- I don't like greendude linking two players already (not sure if he's serious)

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I forgot,

Unvote. Vote: Mafiassk

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omg lol

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pi has it's own day? that friggin awesome

Pickemgenenius has been annoying in the sense that he's been posting shit, that makes no sense and is one line over and over again, but I'm certain this is because he's an annoying person out of game, this jugdement comes from the fact that I recently have been on the mafia chat and PEG has been there being rather irritating.
mind you most people have been posting one liners some far.

Aren't you the one who suggested we talk about our hometowns? I'll take one liners over that any time of the day.

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Am I wrong in not getting why anyone would like a theory that says he is scum with someone else?

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I find it unusual that deathsauce thinks my theory that he and pickemgenius are scum is well thought.

Anyway, I like your [greendude] theory, it's just that there is no evidence for it, so you'll have to find some. Then we can look at it in further detail.

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At MME - why does Gant deserve voting for his last name? Please enlighten me as to your history with said Gant.

You never played Phoenix Wright?
If you haven't, do it

now

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Magna asked me about it, ask him.

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Got me convinced and the mssk wagon isn't going anywhere.

Unvote. Vote: GreenDude

Sorry everyone, RL decided to be particularly annoying, what with uni work and family members and my social life. I'll try to be more active, kay?

Im quite surprised at how slow this game is going. We've got 12 days to the deadline and were still half out of RVS, with little serious discussion going on.

Unvote

Because I severely doubt anyone else has any arguments as to weather Angel deserves to be on the Sci-Fi channel. Which it doesn't.

You could also try to get discussion going yourself instead of complaining about it and then generically unvoting.

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Ok, starting a wagon because you don't like the way that GD tries to provoke discussion? Thats just fishy. I understand that we are now 11 days away from the deadline, and with little to go on, but a wagon like that could possibly halt discussion.

Vote: Super Awesome Mega Pimp

Also, such a weak wagon would have no doubt attracted scummy attention, because the could just agree with SAMP's points. In other words, at least one of the people on that wagon are scum.

FoS: BrokenBlueprints, My Milked Eek, pickemgenius, MafiaSSK

ITT zodiark doesn't get the concept of wagons. Is this your first game, because I just love the fact that you want to stop the thing that was about to generate more discussion, which you complained about some time earlier.

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Is this your idea of content Eek?

Silly, zodiark, that's content as well, but the idea behind bandwagonning for content is not the votes themselves, it's about getting reactions and stances about the wagon/wagonners/wagonee.

Thats quite a claim, considering I just /out'ed of a newb game your were modding were I was SE.

Perhaps you should have outed of this game instead. [/semi-joke]

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It was a "dig", as you call it. And I'm not discrediting him, I'm just incredulous to him not seeing the benefits of bandwagons. And the fact that he's defending his, as peg put it, "poor posting".

And I don't see the relevance in me not remembering him being an SE. If it were to indicate anything, I'd say it would be that I have a poor memory. Or that he didn't strike to me as an SE.

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Don't make it personal.

IE, no insults or, as you two have said, "digs".

Are you serious about this?

It's not that I don't see the benefit of wagons. I don't see good reasons for this particular wagon to begin with. Need I remind you that YOU are on the wagon yourself?

What's wrong with starting that wagon for getting some content? I'll also have you know I was with GD in a previous game and he was easy to read in that game, so having some pressure on him might have been helpful. Unfortunately the wagon is already disbanding.

How does a request for an explanation count as "defending"?

Meh, poor word choice, blame it on the language barrier.

RVS posts don't do much for impressions, since an RVS post was my only post after the /confirm.

You're posting now, aren't you? And you should learn how to take a joke, to be honest.

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Note:This is an anger post directed at My Milked Eek

I'll also have you know I was with GD in a previous game and he was easy to read in that game

What the heck are you talking about??

I looked so bad in that game. Everyone ,including you, was convinced that I was scum. And you amazing reading skills put me at the top of every one of your lists. Did you misread the deathscene? It said I was town.

Chill dude, I forgot "in retrospect".

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I'll be posting tonight, had some parties and stuff.

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The people who did, however, can. Their reasons were non-existent at best, and scummy at worst. Since the vote, they have been absent, apart from the occasional post, mostly either insults or promises of content that never came.

Did you really find that comment of mine insulting? And wagonning in that stage wasn't scummy. Unless you want us to be twiddling our thumbs of course.

That being said, it is rather odd mafiassk was willing to wagon gd, but unvoted as soon as gd posted something that resembled a defense. I'd assume that a pressure wagon (which it was) would require more momentum than that and I'm sure mafiassk knows this as well.

Anyone else think this vote is OMGUS?

And what's your opinion on this omgus? Just pointing it out is discriminating (or attempting to do so) mafiassk without trying to appear to do so. I can't think that you can dismiss ssk's vote as omgus so easily, he's got some reasoning behind it so tell us if it are bull reasons or not and why instead of this egging.

About this demon-gant-mafiassk discussion:
I don't like mafiassk trying to tie dg and wolf together. Haven't read his case in detail as I don't have much time right now, but I will do so tomorrow.
And I don't like zodiark egging on mafiassk. Depending on his answers to my questions this might indicate something about mafiassk's alignment.

Anyways, got a test tomorrow, so got to go study.

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Pleasing to see a post from MME, I was literally just about to call for one. Just so you know, I don't think that your entry to GD's wagon was necessarily scummy in the slightest, it was a wagon that was good for getting information. MafiaSSK hampered its usefulness unfortunately by his unvote, but I've said this a thousand times.

Yeah, I was just saying that hopping on the wagon isn't scummy. The only thing I perceive to be scummy is mafiassk's unvote.

for silently leaving his vote on GD in that last post.

lol, I forgot I hadn't unvoted yet.

Unvote. Vote: Mafiassk

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DRK, I can breadcrumb my word because I'm Irish and cool . I'm not short and Lucky Charms are nasty to me, so I guess it doesn't work too well...

Much better! Carry on.

-DRK

Vote: My Milked Eek

Cool. Anything else to share with us about the game?

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Mafiassk and Zodiark.

Zodiark because he dislikes the wagon on gd (not a real reason, but calling the wagon scummy is a bridge too far), fos's the three last ones, including mafiassk, and afterwards he tries to mudsling mafiassk with some nice omgus that wasn't there. And then there's the whole post dismissing mafiassk's defense, which reeks of bussing or pushing an easy lynch.

Come to think of it,

Unvote. Vote: Zodiark13

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SAMP: Are you sticking to your MME vote now that MME has unvoted GD?

Yes. He still hasn't given any update on his thoughts on GD, which is hypocritical given that he's attacking SSK for making an easy jump off that wagon. And, he clearly saw post 246 (since he quoted my vote) but chose not to answer the question I asked to everyone on the SSK wagon.

I stated reasons on several occasions. I do not see it necessary to state your reasons every time you vote.

And the main reason I jumped to Zodiark is because in my opinion because of his interactions with mafiassk he is the one of the two who must be scum, while mafiassk is independently of zodiark scummy. As I said, zodiark appears to be bussing or pushing an easy lynch, in both cases making him scum pushing a lynch, be it a mislynch or not.

Ok, first off, WFT Eek. You jump off gd when people disapprove, and jump straight for the nearest wagon, on SSK, and when you get implied disapproval from Damon, who asks people to post their suspicions of other players, you jump again, to me. Not counting the fact you never even gave a reason for jumping on SSKs wagon, or a reason for leaving it.

Could you provide a quote where demon_gant actually implies that voting for ssk is bad? My unvote of mafiassk isn't caused by demon in the way you think he did. He made me think about your stance towards mafiassk and your reasonings used in this game.

On my OMGUS point against SSK, my opinion is that OMGUS is OMGUS, even if it is well reasoned. I was asking everyone else if they felt it was OMGUS too,

because I didn't want to attack him for that reason if no one else thought it was

. And how is pointing it out suspicious?

Let me bold it for you.^

A) there's really not a big discussion to be held on whether or not it's omgus, omgus, unlike other things in mafia, is easily distinguishable and this here isn't omgus. Or didn't you read the wiki?
B) saying "do you think this is omgus?" is you doing two things:
B1) you're testing the waters for some mafiassk pushing
B2) you're asking someone else to say it
B3) you're asking someone else to form an opinion for you
Neither of these answers is a good one. And imo, it's #1 (as you've admitted) and some of #2.

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Keeping my vote on Zodiark.

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I've just been reading easjo and it seems that he hasn't posted much at all. And not written more than 3 lines.

I think that mafiassk can be perceived in one way to be scummy but if you look at it a different way, there is logical explanations. So I would rather

vote:easyjo

So,
1) a lurkervote (while ignoring peg and others (like magna said))
2) fence sitting

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Oh lol, forgot to read page 13.

I read through easjo and I if you would like I will show what certain posts drawed my attention.

We're two days from deadline. If you suddenly have a case, post it without asking permission. Seriously.

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Ugh, we have a day and a half I think? Timezones are confusing.

I wouldn't mind a lynch of:
- zodiark13
- mafiassk
- easjo

Deadline is 33 hours, 8 minutes, and 58 seconds from the time of this post.

-DRK

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Unvote. Vote: easjo682

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I didn't say I voted because he was lurking. I'm going to show some posts that I found interesting tomorrow.

Fence sitting? Where do you see that?

Paraphrasing the post I quoted:
- "mafiassk appears to be scummy, but then again, he doesn't"

And your vote was in the context of:
"I've just been reading easjo and it seems that he hasn't posted much at all. And not written more than 3 lines."

Explain to me why this isn't a lurkervote. Also, when asked about it, you say:
"I read through easjo and I if you would like I will show what certain posts drawed my attention."
A magical case, only available on request and after buying a gold membership card. As asked before, why not show us these posts now?

Then get off the wagon going nowhere, and get on the one going somewhere.

Patience is a virtue, my friend.

I also think either Zodiark could have posted a summary for mafiassk or mafiassk could have posted more than those posts. Sure, adware and stuff, but he still managed to slip in 10 or so posts.

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Come on guys, we can do it, we can still lynch zodiark.

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It was meant as a funny remark about his scummy last post. Thanks for ruining my otherwise very funny post. >=(

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It's not as if you don't know why he is voting you

Vote: Zodiark13

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And re

FoS: My Milked Eek!

. For gratuitous wagon-hopping, with little if any reason on each.]

Are you being serious? I only hoped onto easjo because we were less than a day from deadline. I'd rather had us lynch you, but that wasn't happening yesterday.

Gah, ninja'd.

Eek, explain your vote.

A half hour between posts isn't ninja'd. And my vote is explained throughout day 1. Or did you lose your memory of that day?

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You're using 340 as a protown post? He was trying to discredit a OSV claim with "he didn't claim protown OSV or not".

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Are you being serious? I only hoped onto easjo because we were less than a day from deadline. I'd rather had us lynch you, but that wasn't happening yesterday.

This being the only reason for THAT jump. What about your jumps onto GS and SSK, which still haven't been explained by you.

Yes, they have. Have you truly forgotten about day 1?

And my vote is explained throughout day 1.

Asking Eek why he's voting him is just ridiculous, I think Eek made it clear yesterday who his main suspect was and why.

I was under the impression that I had defended myself against his "case". If you still have problems with me Eek, bring them forward.

I'm sorry, I didn't know that as soon as someone defends himself against a case (I didn't really lay one out) that you cannot suspect or even dare to vote that person anymore.

It's not as if your defense decreases the value of my arguments. The mere observation that I don't remember any defense being remotely valid (or even there) is a nice indicator to keep my vote on you.

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1 Solution just came to mind:

Deathsauce is a jester-type role who has to get nightkilled to win.

Oh god, you serious?

Also, busy finding eggs and eating them.

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I'm not seeing the issue you have with DS being the OSV then, as that would fit your three little scenarios there.

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PEG should be looking for that bridge now...

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I'm starting to think that deathsauce is actually a vigilante.

~ GD in #433

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... What?

I'm not sure what is said right now. I'll reread the last two pages when I get home, this is all very confusing.

And where's PEG?

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Caught up and posting to say I approve a GD lynch and that I would have hammered as well.

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Vote: DeathSauce

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Yes, but the issue I'm having with that conclusion is that samp's isoposts have ambiguity in them.
- peg being scum
or
- zodiark being town

I'm not sure yet which case would be most likely and I think it to be worth the effort to reread samp's D2 postings. And I will do so after this post.


As for the Inventor recipient claim. I'll provide my opinion about it after getting an answer to this question:
@death sauce: did the pm, in which you supposedly received a one shot power, contain the words inventor or did it hint at an inventor? Or did you assume inventor because of that game you played?

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I forgot to

unvote

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Ok, the Day 2 samp-ISO starts on #030.

#030 - Strong anti-peg post.
#031 - Anti-peg post and pro-zodiark remark. He mentioned post 340 and I still don't see the protown motive behind that post.
#032 - Recap of "zodiark has protown motives"
#033 -

WE ARE LYNCHING PEG TODAY GOT IT? GOOD.

#035 - Urges people to vote peg. Thought zodiark was the vig. (!)

Ok, so we got strong pushing for a peg lynch and several mentions that zodiark is protown.

However, his post #035 makes me think he investigated zodiark. This line in particular: "

Well shoot, I was certain Zodiark was the vig.

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Also, not the change in his tone towards zodiark in #028 to #031. In #028 he wanted to lynch zodiark (or easjo) and in #031 he called him protown.

Only one explanation: Zodiark does not have a gun.

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Uhh, pardon the quadruple, but that not in the second to last line should be "note".

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Ok, the Day 2 samp-ISO starts on #030.

#030 - Strong anti-peg post.
#031 - Anti-peg post and pro-zodiark remark. He mentioned post 340 and I still don't see the protown motive behind that post.
#032 - Recap of "zodiark has protown motives"
#033 -

WE ARE LYNCHING PEG TODAY GOT IT? GOOD.

#035 - Urges people to vote peg. Thought zodiark was the vig. (!)

Iso 30 is more than a "strong anti-peg post". It s a vote for peg with no explanation and is his first post of the day.

Iso post 32 weakens, rather than strengthens his comment in iso 31.

Sure, I follow you on that, as I found and still find 340 not to have any protown motives, however, it's samp saying he thought zodiark was the vig and doesn't think so anymore that makes me think he investigated zodiark.

However, his post #035 makes me think he investigated zodiark. This line in particular: "

Well shoot, I was certain Zodiark was the vig.

Look at that entire post again. It is another push to lynch peg, and his comment about Zodiark is in response to me.

I think you are trying to read to much into SAMP's posts rather than seeing the obvious strong effort to lynch peg. Your efforts to save peg are noted.

Wow, this is a serious twisting. I'm not defending peg in any way as him not being investigated doesn't clear him in any way in my eyes. I looked into samp's posts and I found that he investigated zodiark. And apparently if the conclusion we draw from isoing samp is different from your conclusion, we're defending peg?

It contained the word invention.

I see. Well, if it didn't it would have somewhat confirmed you to be not lying. I'm having quite a few issues with your claim and bordering on not believing you at all.

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Also,

mod;

prod or replace peg. It's been 8 days.

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I want to hear his magical case/notes as well, but at this point it might be better to get a new player.

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The only case he has is that we believe samp investigated zodiark and he thinks that means we're defending peg, which we both, if I may speak for you as well, aren't doing at all. Rather ridiculous and bordering on some weird form of tunneling if you ask me and I'm not sure if we can have that at this stage of the game as it is hindering and distracting.

I'm not liking DS and I wouldn't mind a lynch of either peg or DS.

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N1 either GD and I targeted the same player or he didn't use his vig power, not that hard to comprehend.

Congratulations, you just confessed to attempting to kill a pro-town role. Until his flip on the morning of D2, you would have had no knowledge that SSK's claim was fake, and you just claimed the kill. There is no pro-town motivation for you killing SSK. I say, what you did is, you agreed with your scumbuddies to kill Magna, then tried to kill SSK with the gun you were given.

This very much so. I can think of no justifiable reason to kill mafiassk from ds' perspective.

mod

, how about some peg?

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So suddenly DS goes from "lynch the gunsmith investigatee" to "lynch someone who wasn't in my top 3 24-48 hours ago".

I've seen enough, let's replace peg and lynch ds. I'll vote when a replacement comes in and gives his/her opinion on the game.

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I understand that the right lynch based on solid facts is DS, but my gut is telling me not to go with that.

Remind me not to get your gut to do jury duty.

Since almost everyone seems to be waiting for the opinion of the replacement, I'll go ahead and try to provoke some discussion to keep us busy until then with two questions;

1. What is your position on the DS lynch?
2. Will the replacements position have an effect on yours? If so, why? If not, why not?

1. I'm all for it, obviously.
2. Depends. I think a replacement changing my read on DS would need a lot of bad play or obvscum play. The replacement changing my read on peg should be obvious as I do not have a (non-neutral) read on peg due to absence.

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DRK and I were in a (highly enjoyable) game as scumbrothers last year and there was a role handing out bullets/guns. So, I figured, perhaps you assumed inventor and DRK got his inspiration in that game.

Why we're not voting you yet want to lynch you: it's LyLo and we're waiting for a replacement to catch up. It doesn't hurt to have a new opinion.

As for the claim-requests: I'm up for it. I only see benefits from it given the current situation.

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I'm glad to see ToD concludes that Zodiark was investigated, albeit because ToD wants samp to have investigated Zodiark and not himself. One thing that bothers me, though, is that he concludes that samp found a gun with Zodiark and apparently ToD thinks that samp would not announce this when there are two living claimed vigs (GD & DS). I'm pretty sure if samp found a gun on Zodiark, he would have mentioned anything, so I believe ToD wrongly made that conclusion. The reason behind this is rather obvious and for ToD a necessary move.

I'm thinking scum on the peg/tod slot. Partners would be DS and any of [Zodiark/wolf/nacho].

As for the inventor: if it's not zodiark, then there is no inventor as I see it. Anyone in favor of the claim hasn't claimed inventor yet, DS can't be the inventor and zodiark is the only one against it (going from memory).

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Well, that's worth something as I figured that you were the only possiblity of being the inventor.

Vote: DeathSauce

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ToD, any reason to the specific grouping of certain players and any reason as to why, as wolf put it, you're suspicious of everyone?

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Also, DS only suspected DG for drawing a different conclusion from reading samp's posts. And even then he rapidly switched his suspicion after being confronted about this.

Here is what is happening:
ToD is extremely reaching and only quoting convenient stuff to back his "theories" up and there's actually a huge contradiction in his reasoning that eventually leads to tod saying he himself is scum. Let's think back on samp's investigations:

We came to two most likely conclusions:
I) peg/tod has a gun
II) zodiark has no gun

I'm not saying these are our only options, but these are the options that are the most likely given the analysis done on samp's posts.

Now, you say Zodiark is scum and that's a bit contradictory, my friend, especially in the light of the investigation possibilities. The first big issue is:

Why did samp breadcrumb that zodiark has no gun?

Possible answers:
a) Because he has no gun
b) Because he is a godfather-like scum turning up innocent (i.e. no gun)
c) Because samp has a strong gut on zodiark

c is heavy speculation and we won't know until the game ends.
a is simple and straightforward, zodiark has no gun and samp knew
b is far fetched given how ds did not conform to that conclusion (and helping his gf)

Obviously you won't say it's a if you say zodiark is scum. If you say it's b, then you're reaching very far. After all, why wouldn't sd want to help semi-confirm his gf? And if you say it's c, that means samp investigated you.

Obviously you're going to say samp did not investigate you, so in your opinion, zodiark was investigated. And as you're saying zodiark is scum, you're saying zodiark is a godfather-like scum. Explain to me, then, why ds was so hesitant and reluctant to accept that samp investigated zodiark if zodiark is ds' godfather? It doesn't add up.

I'm thinking the scums are ToD - [Nacho/wolf] and Zodiark is town.

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Why would SAMP have been "certain" that Zodiark was vig unless he (a) already thought Zodiark was reasonably protown and (b) knew he had a gun?

I wouldn't know. Tell me why SAMP thought Zodiark was a vig to begin with?

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Seriously now?

Tell me, if he had found a gun on zodiark and on D2 there were two claimed vigs, why did he not act more aggressive towards zodiark or both of the claimed vigs?

He declared these players as town:
- DS
- Zodiark

He voted
- peg/tod
- gd

He stayed neutral on GD until gd messed up big time. Why? If there were two claimed vigs and you found a gun on someone else would you vote/behave the way he did?

One reason he did not open his mouth towards Zodiark/GD/DS : he did not find a gun on zodiark.

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Right where you called DG "the most pro-town player in the game." Unless you'd care to explain how a pro-town player could have seen DG as more obvtown than, say, Nacho.

So pointing out the obvious is a scumtell now? Cause anyone with half a brain could see that DG was obvitown.

This. I don't see how this is zodiark claiming the nightkill.

ToD isn't making much sense in general, but I don't want to place a vote until ToD replied to my post, as promised and not before nacho chimed in.

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MME pretty much has to be scum.

...you know what? I'm just going to roll a die for which I actually vote first. 1 is MME, 2 is Zodiark.

This is pretty stupid. You knw I

have

to be scum, yet you use a dice.

I'm going to hold off voting until I hear from nacho.

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Vote: ToD

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gg nacho Hi5!

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Obviously.

I've been hinting him all this time. Too bad he didn't get on to help me, but I had you, thank you for that.

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lol, also lucky the dice fell onto zodiark and not me.

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Doesn't matter, he's dead before he used his action.

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One thing was cool though, ssk claiming osv when he wasn't. Also, GD shouldn't have counterclaimed, but he should have waited until the night to kill gd. Unfortunately, we already picked up gd being the vig during d2.

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Yeah, we just decided to have nacho roleblock ssk and deal with ssk during the morning. Thanks to

gd

ssk for eliminating himself

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lol

I didn't expect nacho to play along.

I figured there was no way scum would back up a townie in lylo.

The problem is that I went a bit too hard on DS on D3 to back out of bussing him. And that meant that I had to defend your investigation even on D4.

@wolf, I'm not sure if I would have been lynched D4 even if he rolled the dice on me. But yeah, I think you would have managed yourself if I was.

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I'm glad that you agree that you went a bit hard with bussing me, MME. It looked like the majority of the town was going along w/ the inventor claim and I couldn't figure out why you didn't let up.

All's well that ends well, though. Glad I outed the real vig, living beyond that would have just been an unforeseen plus.

I figured that backtracking would have been too obvious. And I was amazed that they were buying your inventor claim, lol. You changed claims like two-three times.

As to why we killed magna: we had a doc vibe coming from him.

I don't think DS has a problem with outing the QT?