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Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:41 pm

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Nice lineup.

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Post Post #9 (isolation #1) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:46 pm

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unvote vote Sotty7
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Post Post #10 (isolation #2) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:46 pm

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EBWOP - Meant to also ask, why'd you vote Ray?
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Post Post #13 (isolation #3) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:49 pm

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I had a perfectly good reason to vote for NobodySpecial. Why not vote for Bob?
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Post Post #15 (isolation #4) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:51 pm

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Top of the list. Why do you think Bob's going to be replaced?
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Post Post #17 (isolation #5) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:55 pm

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Check my wiki.
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Post Post #19 (isolation #6) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:56 pm

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At least give us a made up reason to vote Scrambles.
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Post Post #21 (isolation #7) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:00 pm

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Ray will post. He's going to make wild accusations in the RVS.
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Post Post #23 (isolation #8) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:01 pm

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What's this reputation?
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Post Post #25 (isolation #9) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:13 pm

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I hope you're referring to another game because I haven't posted a single ounce of spam in this one yet.
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Post Post #27 (isolation #10) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:21 pm

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You should check my other games.
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Post Post #31 (isolation #11) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:40 pm

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I don't particularly like it either but more because two heads tend to be better than one. I may actually meet my match if more than one person's allowed to contribute to a single account.
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Post Post #35 (isolation #12) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:45 pm

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Nobody Special wrote:
Ythan wrote:I don't particularly like it either but more because two heads tend to be better than one. I may actually meet my match if more than one person's allowed to contribute to a single account.
Humble much? :roll:


Ray, explanation was in the two sentences after the vote.
Why would I be humble.
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Post Post #37 (isolation #13) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:46 pm

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active nonlurking*
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Post Post #40 (isolation #14) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:55 pm

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Nonlurking I assume is the opposite of lurking. Or at the very least a separate and not-overlapping thing.
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Post Post #54 (isolation #15) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:27 pm

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Feel better SFG. I hope it's not a bad reputation.
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Post Post #57 (isolation #16) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 4:14 pm

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There is nothing to keep any player in this game from keeping up.
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Post Post #60 (isolation #17) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:38 pm

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My actions in this game are not anti-town. You may want to actually observe what happens before you try setting up a policy lynch.
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Post Post #62 (isolation #18) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:19 pm

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I'm torn between agreeing and wanting to say so and not wanting to make another post.
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Post Post #64 (isolation #19) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:37 pm

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It's rude not to answer posts specifically directed at me, especially if they're questions.

It varies based on who I'm with. If I was playing Mafia face to face that would be a yes.
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Post Post #66 (isolation #20) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:10 pm

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I'd be much less charming if I ruined the surprise.
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Post Post #69 (isolation #21) » Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:36 am

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Get over it. I'm online a lot for school and work and I post a lot and this is the way I post and it's not changing soon, certainly not before this game is over. How's that for upfront?
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Post Post #72 (isolation #22) » Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:16 am

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I find that it will be much less aggravating if a few players don't waste every other post talking about spam.
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Post Post #75 (isolation #23) » Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:35 am

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To address a current point of discussion. I don't spam much at all. I just post a lot. Wasting space calling it spam is much spammier than what I typically do.
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Post Post #77 (isolation #24) » Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:57 am

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Inquisitor JL wrote:at least annoying people tend to provoke reactions.
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Post Post #79 (isolation #25) » Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:06 am

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I have no idea where I would get a reputation for concision.
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Post Post #81 (isolation #26) » Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:11 am

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This games going to be much less fun if you take every opportunity to make pointless posts like this.
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Post Post #83 (isolation #27) » Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:24 am

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This is my experience as well, though it hasn't been an issue often enough to come to a very clear understanding of the causes and effects.
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Post Post #85 (isolation #28) » Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:45 am

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That old argument again. If you think my posting is somehow preventing other players from doing their job there isn't really anything I can do to right your perspective.
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Post Post #87 (isolation #29) » Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:47 am

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Quiet, SFG, didn't you read Thor? Our personalities are supposed to be clashing.
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Post Post #90 (isolation #30) » Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:58 am

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Even in your own words it sounds like someone else's fault.
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Post Post #93 (isolation #31) » Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:05 am

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Perfectly agreeable and I couldn't say it better myself. I do apologize in advance if this thread at some point goes in a totally unmanageable direction, as I can not and will not deny that I play a bigger part in reaction to my play than any one person who reacts to it.
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Post Post #116 (isolation #32) » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:01 pm

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Inquisitor JL wrote:While Ythan himself might not post much content
Beg to differ.
@ Ythan - like the avatar, it suits you
Thanks, I was thinking the same thing.
RayFrost wrote:Cuz I'm 15. :/
What.

And guys, it's only ad hom if you attempt to discredit a case by attacking the person. Attacking a person for no reason other than to attack them is ad hom. Attacking someone by attacking their case is not ad hom.
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Post Post #119 (isolation #33) » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:10 pm

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I turned 20 on Sunday. And Ray I was sure you were older than 15.
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Post Post #125 (isolation #34) » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:15 pm

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I do homework online but my college is actually of the mundane variety.
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Post Post #131 (isolation #35) » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:32 pm

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Is SFG voting for me? I can understand the benefit of lynching lurkers but there is always someone who seems scummier to me when it comes up.
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Post Post #135 (isolation #36) » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:42 pm

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At this point in the game I'm not looking too deeply into the vote on Bob. I toyed with the idea myself of voting the last player to post.
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Post Post #141 (isolation #37) » Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:09 pm

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Inquisitor JL wrote:What I don't like about Scrambles is complaining that it gets us all focused on one person, when, if he feels that way he could try to post something about someone else instead. If you don't feel that the discussion is going in a beneficial direction it is your duty to try and get it to what you think would benefit the town, and the same goes to anyone else complaining about him being distracting by being annoying (Cheshire comes to mind).

FoS: Scrambles
What is it about this that strikes you as suspicious?
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Post Post #143 (isolation #38) » Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:40 pm

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The avatar suits you perfectly.
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Post Post #145 (isolation #39) » Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:44 pm

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To be fair I often wait until the game has gotten underway and then reread players in iso to pick up clues.
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Post Post #147 (isolation #40) » Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:50 pm

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I apologize, I just don't take incredibly kindly to mandates like this.
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Post Post #148 (isolation #41) » Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:56 pm

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Ray's questioning of NS's vote in iso posts 2, 3, 4, and 5 strike me as out of character. Really all of Ray's posting seems out of character. And I've only played with him as town (as far as I know).
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Post Post #149 (isolation #42) » Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:02 pm

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Thor665 wrote:
Ythan wrote:Attacking a person for no reason other than to attack them is
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Fixed that for you.
I missed this and think it bears clarification. That was in fact a typo, so thanks.
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Post Post #151 (isolation #43) » Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:53 pm

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It's something to take note of.
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Post Post #160 (isolation #44) » Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:28 am

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unvote vote Inquisitor JL
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Post Post #164 (isolation #45) » Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:33 am

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You FoSed someone without suspicion. An FoS is not just a weak vote. Votes are meant to get players lynched, and it can be argued that a lynch against someone you don't suspect is sometimes something to work toward. An FoS on the other hand is purely suspicion, which you lacked. And I find you more suspicious than any other player at the moment.
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Post Post #166 (isolation #46) » Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:46 am

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I don't read anything in his post as suspicion. If anything it looks like he's twisting what I view as genuine concerns from Scrambles into something suspect.
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Post Post #170 (isolation #47) » Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:53 am

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It's not your connection fyi.
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Post Post #173 (isolation #48) » Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:57 am

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It's the site. Your connection may contribute but it happens sometimes, and I just happened to get it myself at the same time.
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Post Post #184 (isolation #49) » Sat Mar 06, 2010 6:56 am

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Welcome Sajin!
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Post Post #186 (isolation #50) » Sat Mar 06, 2010 7:55 am

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I'm not explaining what an FoS is to you, I'm explaining why an FoS is actually scummier in this case than a vote. That rests on the fact that an FoS is solely about suspicion while a vote can be placed for various policy lynches.
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Post Post #188 (isolation #51) » Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:33 pm

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I don't have any big reads either, that's why I've settled for IJL. I wish McGriddle was here, I can always get a scum read on him.
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Post Post #189 (isolation #52) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:51 am

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Anybody in there?
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Post Post #195 (isolation #53) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:15 pm

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I really wish the top of this page wasn't from the 5th.
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Post Post #197 (isolation #54) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:38 pm

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<3
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Post Post #199 (isolation #55) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:44 pm

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I don't know Rayscum but this is definitely different from Raytown I've known. He says he's breaking meta but that doesn't completely do away with it.
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Post Post #201 (isolation #56) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:11 pm

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He definitely does something as town. Again, in my experience.
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Post Post #209 (isolation #57) » Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:32 am

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Thor665 wrote:@Ythan - do you agree with the Ray votes at the moment? You're chiming in a bit but I'm not clear on your actual stance. (also - I submit you should probably get used to the idea that weekends are often slower game days)
I have almost nothing to go on myself so I don't find votes on Ray too curious. Also you
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Post Post #215 (isolation #58) » Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:00 am

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I think that simply declaring that you're breaking meta shouldn't excuse you from suspicion. It doesn't particularly strike me as scummy, but as it's entirely a product of one's own experiences with the player I can understand others voting him over it.
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Post Post #217 (isolation #59) » Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:43 am

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TheCheshireCat wrote:is possible that he is playing his town role like his usual scum, and his scum roles he will play like his usual town... Idk just a thought.
That's quite a little leap you've made.
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Post Post #221 (isolation #60) » Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:10 am

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Lack of smilies, from Ray?
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Post Post #225 (isolation #61) » Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:24 am

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Smilies don't make the game not serious. Not taking it so seriously makes it not serious.
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Post Post #227 (isolation #62) » Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:26 am

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Hate to do it but

unvote vote RayFrost
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Post Post #229 (isolation #63) » Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:42 am

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I am full of hate.
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Post Post #232 (isolation #64) » Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:54 pm

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I don't find his actions terribly scummy. However, as I've said I don't have a lot to go on in this game, and as I've also said I don't think that a declaration of breaking meta should completely excuse a broken meta. His unusual behavior is more than what I had on IJL.
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Post Post #236 (isolation #65) » Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:00 pm

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Thor665 wrote:
Ythan wrote:I don't think that a declaration of breaking meta should completely excuse a broken meta.
I would actually say a declaration of breaking meta is *exactly* what excuses a broken meta.

You're now saying you don't find Ray's actions "terribly scummy" where before you said you didn't find them "particularly scummy". Do you consider there to be a difference in how scummy you find him between those two comments? Or do you mean the same thing by both phrases?

Also, a yes or no question - do you find Ray scummy?
First, I disagree. Second, no right now he's my best bet for a lynch today. Third, see second.
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Post Post #237 (isolation #66) » Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:01 pm

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Nobody Special wrote:I also find RayF's lack of participation .... disturbing.
Vote: RayFrost

This is not the Ray I know. Also, anyone attempting to break their own known meta deserves to be lynched,
especially
if not doing anything.
Actually I like this much better.

unvote vote Nobody Special
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Post Post #240 (isolation #67) » Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:25 pm

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I've only played with Ray as town and he always acted pretty much the opposite of how he is here. I'm taking other players' claims that this is how he acts as scum at face value.
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Post Post #242 (isolation #68) » Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:22 pm

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Yawn. No disclaimer language, I'm not going to trudge through Ray's meta myself on a minor vote, I didn't distance from the vote, I changed the vote because of the post I replied to, blah blah.
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Post Post #252 (isolation #69) » Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:09 am

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If I had to pick a lynch right now it'd be Ray. So my vote is on Ray.
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Post Post #254 (isolation #70) » Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:40 am

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My bad. That was why I voted Ray before NS finally showed up.
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Post Post #255 (isolation #71) » Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:43 am

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This is one of four games I'm in, and one of two in which I'm voting for NS. Simple mistake, if you don't believe me then so be it.
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Post Post #257 (isolation #72) » Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:48 am

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Nobody Special wrote:I'd bet anything that's just a ruse and he's scum.
You see awfully certain based on not a whole lot of information. Has he done anything else that actually makes you suspicious?
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Post Post #260 (isolation #73) » Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:53 am

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ScramblesTheDeathDealer wrote:I'd bet that if Ray flips scum, your his scumbuddy, and if Ray flips town (all of this is assuming he's lynched at some point), your scum.
So unless Ray is a survivor, NS is scum in your estimation?
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Post Post #266 (isolation #74) » Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:56 am

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ScramblesTheDeathDealer wrote:
Ythan wrote:
ScramblesTheDeathDealer wrote:I'd bet that if Ray flips scum, your his scumbuddy, and if Ray flips town (all of this is assuming he's lynched at some point), your scum.
So unless Ray is a survivor, NS is scum in your estimation?
Not necessarily, we've still got a whole game ahead of us. Depending on what happens in the upcoming days and nights could easily change my opinions on things, as it could (or should, at the very least) anyones.
Dodgy. You just said you'd bet NS is scum regardless of Ray's flip.
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Post Post #269 (isolation #75) » Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:58 am

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There is only one questions raised against you right now.
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Post Post #272 (isolation #76) » Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:00 am

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Ythan wrote:Dodgy.
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Post Post #274 (isolation #77) » Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:12 am

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ScramblesTheDeathDealer wrote:[Kids, the moral to this post is to never bandwagon.]
Really? Feels like you're just stalling. Well not just, also backpedaling.
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Post Post #276 (isolation #78) » Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:16 am

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ScramblesTheDeathDealer wrote:
Ythan wrote:
ScramblesTheDeathDealer wrote:[Kids, the moral to this post is to never bandwagon.]
Really? Feels like you're just stalling. Well not just, also backpedaling.
You're post, it confuses me.
Are you saying that you want me to jump on a wagon?
Nope. I'm saying you're making a tongue in cheek criticism of the bandwagon after saying you think NS is scum and then backing off.
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Post Post #292 (isolation #79) » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:22 am

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I find Scrambles' case on Zorblag to be highly selective. And Thor, I never said that I was voting Ray because others found him scummy. What I said was that I was trusting other players' accounts of his meta.
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Post Post #295 (isolation #80) » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:26 am

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I got your avatars mixed up. x:
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Post Post #297 (isolation #81) » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:31 am

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No you and Ches. Ches's case. She picks out ZORBLAG to put her vote on of all people, based on not much at all.
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Post Post #300 (isolation #82) » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:56 am

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I wasn't going to go wading through Ray's meta for evidence on such a minor vote. Like my vote on IJL, that's just where I was keeping it until someone scummier came along. If NS's meta was an issue, I would go look at it.
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Post Post #302 (isolation #83) » Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:02 am

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The vote on IJL was even weaker.
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Post Post #304 (isolation #84) » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:12 pm

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NS is my first strong vote. I think he's scum, not just the most likely to be scum.
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Post Post #308 (isolation #85) » Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:55 pm

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How does Troll feel about Cheshire's case on Troll?
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Post Post #311 (isolation #86) » Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:45 am

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Scum lists good town lists generally not good.
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Post Post #312 (isolation #87) » Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:30 am

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NS has been posting in another game I'm in but not in this one. He's on right now even.
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Post Post #314 (isolation #88) » Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:35 am

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That's your response? That's all you have to say? I'm not endangering the other game. I'm outing you as a lurker.
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Post Post #317 (isolation #89) » Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:37 am

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Still nothing else to say?
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Post Post #318 (isolation #90) » Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:38 am

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The no talking about ongoing games outside the thread rule means no cheating in that game by carrying on discussions limited to certain players. This obviously is not that.
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Post Post #321 (isolation #91) » Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:51 am

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And there he goes again.
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Post Post #324 (isolation #92) » Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:28 pm

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Then how about "I have firsthand experience that NS is lurking but I can't tell you where it's from."

Because I have firsthand experience that he's lurking but I can't tell you where it's from.
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Post Post #327 (isolation #93) » Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:47 pm

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Probably too much to hope for him to actually explain his sudden need of replacement.
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Post Post #329 (isolation #94) » Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:09 pm

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This wagon could use some company.
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Post Post #330 (isolation #95) » Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:15 pm

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To put it plainly.

I out NS on lurking.
He flips his shit and doesn't offer any explanation.
He replaces out.
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Post Post #332 (isolation #96) » Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:35 pm

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Can you point out the post where you did?
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Post Post #335 (isolation #97) » Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:40 pm

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Here.
Nobody Special wrote:Happy Saint Patrick's Day, asshole.
Also thanks Scrambles, looking that up now.
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Post Post #336 (isolation #98) » Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:42 pm

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Good catch. Probably didn't read it.
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Post Post #340 (isolation #99) » Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:17 pm

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We had a little spat in Newbie 894 but he didn't seem as if he would carry it over. Also something ongoing that I could understand him holding against me.
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Post Post #342 (isolation #100) » Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:29 pm

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Go with NS, that one will actually go somewhere.
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Post Post #345 (isolation #101) » Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:40 pm

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You can help it pick up!
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Post Post #347 (isolation #102) » Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:06 pm

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Since he's such a great mod we could save him the trouble by just lynching NS.
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Post Post #350 (isolation #103) » Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:59 pm

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A better phrasing I think would be NS's fallout toward me.
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Post Post #352 (isolation #104) » Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:51 pm

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Calling JesteRay.
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Post Post #365 (isolation #105) » Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:29 am

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Ray that sort of questioning is for the discussion forum.

Thor there be nothing wishy washy about Ythan's earlier voting.
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Post Post #367 (isolation #106) » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:04 am

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That's ok then.
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Post Post #369 (isolation #107) » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:13 am

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Is that really long enough to be v/la?
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Post Post #375 (isolation #108) » Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:01 pm

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How about a vote!
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Post Post #385 (isolation #109) » Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:50 am

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Kthxbye wrote:I feel like he actually did a decent job up to this point.
Lynch all liars.
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Post Post #389 (isolation #110) » Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:09 pm

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Oh my, my jaw hit the floor I am so very surprised.
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Post Post #390 (isolation #111) » Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:10 pm

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ITT obv scum's replacement tries to build a case on his biggest attacker by painting a null mistake as something more. Die scum please.
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Post Post #397 (isolation #112) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:04 am

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Thx, you're not scum because of this. You're scum because your predecessor was hugely obvious scum and you haven't done a single thing to fix it.
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Post Post #399 (isolation #113) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:34 am

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Obvious scum is obvious scum because it's obvious. Asking for clarification on that is just pointless.
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Post Post #401 (isolation #114) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:39 am

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Bet you would. Not seeing much of a case from you but that doesn't matter in your case, does it.
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Post Post #403 (isolation #115) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:50 am

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I said he was obvscum. Can you tell that there's a difference between that and a formal case?
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Post Post #407 (isolation #116) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:54 am

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Your notes are interesting. You find his
joking
funny, you know how hypocritical he is, and the best one is your interpretation of what you know nothing about to clear him.
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Post Post #408 (isolation #117) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:58 am

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The sheer volume of defensive content coming in response to my gut case is just baffling.
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Post Post #409 (isolation #118) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:05 am

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NS
7 "I'm going to wait and then maybe do something useful later."
9 "Breaking meta is a scum tell even though it's not."
11 "I'm going to try to get Ythan modkilled because I don't understand rules and don't want to defend my lurking."
12 "FUCKING BULLSHIT."
13 "qq"

thx
1 "FoS Ythan for going after my pred and not a scum tell."
2 "Now I'm going to whine about Ythan more. Also I'm going to try to turn a null tell into a scum tell because I really want this lynch. Then I'm going to whine some more and OMGUS vote."
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Post Post #411 (isolation #119) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:15 am

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If you're just going to keep whining I'll just talk to Thor until you calm down.
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Post Post #412 (isolation #120) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:24 am

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It's a laugh that you call your vote justified when you can't seem to provide any justification for it.
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Post Post #414 (isolation #121) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:00 am

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I can only hope one of us dies because you might be the worst player I've been in a game with.
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Post Post #415 (isolation #122) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:02 am

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You're part trying to dig up something I didn't respond to as you demand and part trying to rush a lynch. Yes we're coming close to the DL but instead of ever making any kind of case you're just posting inane bullshit.
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Post Post #418 (isolation #123) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:44 pm

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You should post content.
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Post Post #420 (isolation #124) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:49 pm

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You provide nothing to answer. Continually. You just keep talking about your case but there's no case, just more and more talking.
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Post Post #422 (isolation #125) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:08 pm

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There is disappointingly little in this game to get good reads other than on yourself.

I said you're obvscum and you won't stop whining about it. If you can't understand that I'm just saying you're obvscum stop drawing attention to your ineptitude by keeping it up.

Blah blah same thing learn more.

Blah blah idiotic but yes.

The ones where I haven't been forced to spend my space deriding you for your playstyle.

Obviously.

Blah blah head in the game please.

Yawn.

And finally, stop trying to act like a good townie, it's backfiring.
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Post Post #424 (isolation #126) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:23 pm

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Welcome back IJL please dilute the nonsense of this thread.
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Post Post #426 (isolation #127) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:38 pm

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Thank you for that enlightening contribution, Ray. This thread is certainly going places thanks to those profound revelations.
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Post Post #428 (isolation #128) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:44 pm

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Yawn. Reasoning is tech.
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Post Post #430 (isolation #129) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:48 pm

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Constructive.
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Post Post #432 (isolation #130) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:51 pm

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Pot kettle etc.
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Post Post #436 (isolation #131) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:57 pm

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I respond to pretty much anything. This habit produces spam when the material to which I'm responding is itself meaningless. You know that, so if you want a policy lynch just call it that and set yourself up for the noose tomorrow.
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Post Post #437 (isolation #132) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:59 pm

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Zorblag wrote:@Ythan, if you feel that reads be hard to come by thus far in the game do you have any plans to take actions to make them easier? Apparently the methods you have been using up to now no have given the results Troll assumes you want outside of your obvscum read on Kthxbye (your explanations of which Troll does, for the record, find unsatisfactory, though that no be what Troll be interested in just now.)

-Zorblag R`Lyeh
Typically games in which I participate are not so terribly pointless for a dozen and a half pages. I'm unaccustomed to so much nothing, and have had no practice in techniques beyond what have been necessary in my other games.
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Post Post #439 (isolation #133) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:02 pm

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I'm going to assume you were ninja'd by my response to Zorblag.
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Post Post #441 (isolation #134) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:06 pm

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The cases against me have been addressed with all the pomp they deserve.
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Post Post #444 (isolation #135) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:17 pm

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But I thought that forgetting was scummy.
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Post Post #446 (isolation #136) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:19 pm

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I do. With this explosion of posts, regardless of the level of content, I should HOPEFULLY be able to find something meaningful from somebody.
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Post Post #448 (isolation #137) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:23 pm

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First sentence, I'm taking actions as a means to an end. Second sentences, I'm not sure if you're asking an exclusive one or the other question.
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Post Post #450 (isolation #138) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:35 pm

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Yes. I'm not exactly sure what I'd do, because it didn't come to that, but when nothing at all is going on it's time for something new.

And no, if you mean solely.

As I said, if not in so many words, I
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Post Post #452 (isolation #139) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:38 pm

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I said baffling. Defense itself is not scummy. This though was a wild push to uproot a gut read that wasn't even really going anywhere.
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Post Post #454 (isolation #140) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:41 pm

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Bogged down in a shitmire.
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Post Post #456 (isolation #141) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:49 pm

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I'm not a big thread-carrier. I get caught up in stuff like that and blah blah.
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Post Post #458 (isolation #142) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:53 pm

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If I had to pick scum out of my wagon I've got a hunch Sotty is one. Since we're nearing the deadline I'll go ahead and ask to speed up the process, are you folks pretty sure I'm the one headed for the gallows?
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Post Post #460 (isolation #143) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 3:03 pm

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My theory is one part wagon hopping, one part vote distancing.
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Post Post #462 (isolation #144) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 3:15 pm

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Now I'm thinking that Ray is town and you're setting up a mislynch for tomorrow after the other flips town today.

unvote vote Sotty7
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Post Post #464 (isolation #145) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:33 pm

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I stand by any points I've made but I apologize if I rubbed anyone the wrong way today. Haven't been in a great mood and it's pretty clear that I've been letting it seep over into this and one or two other threads.
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Post Post #466 (isolation #146) » Sun Mar 14, 2010 7:26 pm

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Can't argue with that.

Sure wish Sotty hadn't stopped posting right after my vote.
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Post Post #469 (isolation #147) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:29 am

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Sotty's still on that "We're close to the deadline so I can just ignore Ythan's posts and post the same shit over and over" kick.
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Post Post #470 (isolation #148) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:52 am

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If you folks plan on lynching me you need to spit it out
now
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Post Post #473 (isolation #149) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:19 am

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Thor665 wrote:
Ythan wrote:Sotty's still on that "We're close to the deadline so I can just ignore Ythan's posts and post the same Smurf over and over" kick.
Because you most assuredly haven't been ignoring stuff?
I will admit that I haven't given this game my all but don't discount his actions because I've done them as well. Scum points for both of us, not neither.
Do you disagree with a deadline pressured lynch?
I disagree with his attempt to rush to the deadline without answering anything.
He has mentioned some things about you he feels are scummy in addition to the deadline pressure so I'm not sure if I really see this as only a policy lynch if that's what you're implying.
I'm not saying it's policy.
Ythan wrote:If you folks plan on lynching me you need to spit it out
now
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I certainly intend to continue to make motion in this direction. Ythan does have a kernel of truth in his commentary insomuch as I would rather like us to get to the L-1 stage for whomever it is we're going to be lynching by the end of today so we have time for a claim and some discussion prior to hammer.
I think it might be a mistake to wait that long. After a claim if we choose to look elsewhere for a lynch we're already going to be very pressed for time.

[qupte]Ythan, what are your thoughts as regards the Cheshire wagon?[/quote]I'll read up on it and give you what I can in a separate post in case it's a mouthful, and I'll try to do so promptly.
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Post Post #475 (isolation #150) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:56 am

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If someone who's around right now would like to point out the very start of the Ches wagon I'd appreciate it. Until then I'm just going to start at the first vote or thereabouts.
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Post Post #478 (isolation #151) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:08 am

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IJL
0 Votes Ches for no random vote.
3 Lightly attacks Ches for complaining about me.
7 Says Ches is as good a wagon as any. I disagree.

Zorblag
3 Troll am find Ches alleged hunting wanting. Also 227. Also a vote.

I find no fault with Zorblag's vote. Point raised to IJL.
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Post Post #479 (isolation #152) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:15 am

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Thor665 wrote:What questions has he dodged?
I don't believe he's supported his vote.
How exactly do you propose we speed up anything at this particular stage?
I will get back to you on this if feasible.
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Post Post #480 (isolation #153) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:23 am

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I still find NS's last three posts highly suspect. He completely flipped his shit over accusations of lurking, not the fact that he thought I was breaking a rule.

Thx iso post 1, soft selling a poor case on me with lots of ellipses. I maintain that ellipses make self distancing x times more telling where x is the number of periods used. He used a lot. Also he pointlessly whines about my style. He does this in the next post too. The distances from dumb stuff his pred did. He votes me with a feasible argument that I'm anti-town and a really shitty one that I'm scum. Whines some more later one, never turns his case proper.
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Post Post #481 (isolation #154) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:25 am

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Then distances*

later on*
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Post Post #482 (isolation #155) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:28 am

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Searching ns in an iso is a real bitch by the way.
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Post Post #483 (isolation #156) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:30 am

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Nobody Special wrote:I also find RayF's lack of participation .... disturbing.

Vote: RayFrost


This is not the Ray I know. Also, anyone attempting to break their own known meta deserves to be lynched,
especially
if not doing anything.
This of course will remain completely terrible forever.
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Post Post #484 (isolation #157) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:34 am

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Ray's content approaches zero.
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Post Post #486 (isolation #158) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:39 am

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Sotty7 wrote:You are still ignoring my call for a case on the so called “obv scum” NS that you dropped quicker than a heartbeat.
Have I.
The deadline is a real threat unless you want a no lynch, I find it scummy that you don't seem to care about that. We need flips and info to figure out what is going on.
And I find straw men scummy. Address actual points made please.
Though with scrambles replacing out we should get an extension.
Not should. It's up to the mod. Would be really nice though.
Ythan Post 479 wrote:
Thor665 wrote:What questions has he dodged?
I don't believe he's supported his vote.
Pot, kettle etc...
You can make a case on me for it but if you're not going to account for your own actions at the same time then you're scummy.
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Post Post #487 (isolation #159) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:53 am

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Ray's defensiveness over NS's RV is weird. And by breaking meta he might have meant not doing almost any hunting this game. He attacked Scrambles' case on me and then nothing ever again unless you count 33/34 which isn't scumhunting apart from where he jumps on the NS wagon. And he hasn't cleared up the inconsistency Thor raised about cases on me. Not even sure what kind of explanation is coming.
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Post Post #489 (isolation #160) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:56 am

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Wait your turn. While you do I'll make this really large so you address it maybe.

Just because I didn't support my vote doesn't make you doing the same any less scummy.
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Post Post #490 (isolation #161) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:03 pm

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Kthxbye wrote:I've finished one game and it was a newbie game with Ray. Thus far, it's too similar a play style from when I played with him in that game to call it breaking meta. Just my feelings on him.
I would love to see a link to this game. Also I'm moving my vote to you, at least until I've given Sotty/someone else as in depth a read as you.

unvote vote Kthxbye
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Post Post #491 (isolation #162) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:33 pm

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ScramblesTheDeathDealer wrote:Ray and Nobody Special, (read my previous post). Ray because of his whole meta thing. I don't see it as anything voteworthy however, I'd like to see what happens first.
Other players have adequately explained how your "scum if he's scum, scum if he's town" argument is a flop. I just want to point out that you think he's scum but not voteworthy.
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Post Post #492 (isolation #163) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:35 pm

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I'm going to go ahead and predict, before getting to and analyzing Scrambles, that he's scum.
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Post Post #493 (isolation #164) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:37 pm

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TheCheshireCat wrote:I am forced to wonder why Ray is breaking meta? If he is town why does it matter. But maybe he just doesn't want to be easily read anymore. Some ppl of mentioned that he is not acting like Ray-Town, since he is breaking meta, is possible that he is playing his town role like his usual scum, and his scum roles he will play like his usual town... Idk just a thought.
Scummy self-distancing ellipses.
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Post Post #494 (isolation #165) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:49 pm

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Sotty7 wrote:Before I put any real pressure on she was happy to push lurkers while laying the grounds for lurking herself. I then put my vote on her and suddenly she can't play two games at once? I don't buy it. So it is mostly the timing of her replacement request that gives me a scum feel. It came as a direct result from pressure and I have to think she would have stuck around if I hadn't done anything.
I'm all for finding replacers scummy but it's a stretch to say that she was under any kind of threatening pressure from you.
Sotty7 wrote:With that in mind I have to believe we have just been unlucky so far. Like really, really unlucky.
Pet tell of mine.
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Post Post #498 (isolation #166) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:19 pm

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You spent that whole post criticizing Pom for riding the coattails of the players attack you for better reasons.
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Post Post #500 (isolation #167) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:23 pm

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That was what I was getting at.
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Post Post #501 (isolation #168) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:38 pm

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TheCheshireCat wrote:I am working on hunting scum, thank you very much. I just wanted to put my two cents in about the age thing. I am currently in the process of rereading and trying my very best to find all those scummies :) But it is late, so i will probably continue with my scum hunting tomorrow and post what i find then :)
Looking forward to this.
TheCheshireCat wrote:Oh i would also like something from Sajin, it has been three days since he has been 'reading up'.
Dot dot dot.
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Post Post #503 (isolation #169) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:44 pm

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Pomegranate wrote:
TheCheshireCat wrote:If you say so.
vote: Zorblag
I actually really like the feel of thei vote, It gives me a slight, (and slightly odd) town feeling on TCC, despite this post, which just looks a bit newbish to me:
But i would much rather lynch scum, as for plans, i am just waiting for someone to slip up at the moment, so no i dont ahve any 'plans' for pursuing scum at the moment
I'm curious as to why this gives you a town read, and why it is so very very slight.
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Post Post #504 (isolation #170) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:44 pm

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Request extension.
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Post Post #506 (isolation #171) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:47 pm

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Sotty7 wrote:But if this is your meta in that you post smiles all the time in like every post, then it is probably a null tell with you.
In that case don't you want to ask for some games to look over? I certainly do. Ches give me some games to look over.
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Post Post #508 (isolation #172) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:51 pm

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Thx Thx.
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Post Post #510 (isolation #173) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:55 pm

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Ray in that thread does not read like Ray in this thread at all. He reads more like the Ray I'm used to.
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Post Post #511 (isolation #174) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:58 pm

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Thor, I'd really like to see a game of you as scum if you have any.
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Post Post #512 (isolation #175) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:00 pm

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Inquisitor JL wrote:Seems to me like he is just annoying but *shrug* - at least annoying people tend to provoke reactions.
Inquisitor JL wrote:While Ythan himself might not post much content - being annoying and such has a very useful side effect of getting reactions. Being annoyed is okay, and there are possible arguments that in the long run it's anti town.
Not happy about your validation of my annoying posting habits. I am perfectly anti-town.
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Post Post #513 (isolation #176) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:15 pm

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My brain's running out of my ears so I'm going to take a break. Thx is scum fyi.
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Post Post #514 (isolation #177) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:09 pm

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ScramblesTheDeathDealer wrote:But it could be applied to anyone here, so theoretically he chose you by random, hence the R in RVS.
I read this as potential unwise RV defense of Nobody Scummy.

Also I hope I never see him calling
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Ythan wrote:There is only one questions raised against you right now.
I understand this, but that question is being said a variety of times with different accomodations to it.
Still dislike this and what led up to it.
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ScramblesTheDeathDealer wrote:[Kids, the moral to this post is to never bandwagon.]
Really? Feels like you're just stalling. Well not just, also backpedaling.
Still feel this.
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Post Post #515 (isolation #178) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:18 pm

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Inquisitor JL wrote:The fact you explained what an FoS is implies you had a feeling that I might not know/understand it. In fact, from what I had picked up from (mainly newbie) games it felt to me that an FoS was just a weak vote.
Anyway, the fact you felt it necessary to explain shows that something you thought could be a misunderstanding was worthy of attacking someone over.
I read this as potentially building an attack on smoke and mirrors. Also no content in a week.
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Post Post #516 (isolation #179) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:21 pm

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Done, you're welcome town, see you in endgame~
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Post Post #1558 (isolation #180) » Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:52 pm

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Nobody on either side ever targeted my slot after all that? Nice draw.
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Post Post #1560 (isolation #181) » Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:35 pm

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Nope.
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