Teleportation Mafia Universe ONE (MAFIA A WINS!)

[CSL]

Day 3 Vote Count

CSL ( 0 )
elvis_knits ( 0 )
evilsnail ( 2 ) Hoopla mykonian
farside22 ( 0 )
fishythefish ( 0 )
Hoopla ( 5 ) farside22 CSL evilsnail fishythefish Ellibereth
gayle ( 0 )
mykonian ( 0 )
ojanen ( 0 )
Ellibereth ( 0 )
Raskol ( 0 )
Rhinox ( 0 )
Maelyn ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 5 ) Raskol Maelyn Rhinox gayle ojanen
Total Votes ( 12 )

With 12 alive, 7 needed to lynch.
Deadline: March 10th 10:30 EST

/ghosteradicate

[farside22]

unvote

. I'm uncomfortable about the way this wagon has gone, and Hoopla's analysis, while not exactly fleshed out, contains a lot I agree with. I need to think about this one, and reread people like Oj and Raskol.

I've seen Hoopla just perform the best scum performance I have seen in many a year here at MS so I'm not quiet let me clear Hoopla right now.
I do agree that evil looks scummy, mcscummerson but don't think for a second hoopla would not bus her scum partner in a heartbeat to look more town.

Being capable of manipulation isn't a case, it's not even a point - and I don't see anything else you've got beyond the 'slip' I made.

I'm really disliking Ellibereth suddenly changing his mind with little to no persuasion needed. I'd be looking at the position of evilsnail and Ellibereth in the event I am lynched, because they are bad, bad votes. Tsk tsk.

Mykonian is being very sensible right about now - and that isn't just because he's helping me with an evilsnail vote.

You have been mostly lurking, you replaced a person I found scummy to begin with. We have the slip, which is blantant.
Finally eli is from U2 not this universe saying they are scum together is laughable.

[Ellibereth]

Hooplascum is giving up and paying less and less attention to the game.

[Ojanen]

Hi.
I am in the dark about D1, but I relooked D2.

I get the feeling I really really should think Fishy's town based on his pushing of pops and reversing the wagon situation from evilsnail leading pops 5-3 to 4-4, but my gut still isn't sure. Fishy, could you link to any towngames where you were way sensitive to little pressure?
Also, can you talk through your vote on pops in 1155 - what were the factors that led you to lay it down on pops rather than CSL?

There could be a benefit in that the bandwagon of Pops essentially formed twice. The slowness of the wagon at first gave scum enough time to bus.

myko, what did you mean by this exactly?

The leading suspicions on Hoopla and evilsnail, well yes, I think they are both relatively scummy.
I was going to vote for evilsnail based on his snipes of little content and fluff all through the late pops wagon and semi-non-committality on it, but this gave me serious pause

Pops's response to Ojanen seems off. Considering that pops is pursuing a policy lynch on CSL and not making a case on anyone himself, dismissing all available cases out of hand is really unproductive. Also, I think Ojanen made some fair points about Rhinox's play. I read over pops's ISO and she hasn't contributed real cases in a long time (which I realise now some players have been pointing out for a while). I don't know how this measures up to pops's meta, but it is certainly not helping us.

Why didn't you vote for pops here, evil?

To be completely honest with you, I didn't want to seem scummy. At the time, I was being accused of being opportunistic around the major wagons and I was worried it would just attract more attention. I hate getting lynched as town.

Because this snippet of explanation just really seemed townish/non-fabricated.
And he's limiting his options a lot with his suspicion targets too.
So Hoopla is scummier.

pops was either trying to clumsily connect himself to a townie or sprout multi-layer wifom regards to Rhinox. I'm leaning at the moment somewhat more like I was wrong and he's town.

Raskol, myko scum are not out of the question.

If the world was perfect I would loooove to be taking a small break from mafia right now (farside and Elli know why , another game). But instead I have this 70-page game going on with an all-time low contribution from me. So I'll be trying force myself to psyche up and in any case play this every day from now on that I have time. But this is the maximum I could be bothered to post today.
No vote yet, cause I have no confidence yet on my reads here atm. (Fence-sit, yes, but that's the truth.)

[Hoopla]

[quote="farside22]
You have been mostly lurking, you replaced a person I found scummy to begin with. We have the slip, which is blantant.
Finally eli is from U2 not this universe saying they are scum together is laughable.[/quote]

I think that is an interest-tell, not an alignment-tell - I can't do anything about Flareonage (whatever he did), and I can't do anything about the slip other than tell you it wasn't scum-motivated.

I never said Elli was scum with evilsnail. I'm saying these votes are the shakiest.

[mykonian]

There could be a benefit in that the bandwagon of Pops essentially formed twice. The slowness of the wagon at first gave scum enough time to bus.

myko, what did you mean by this exactly?

a. there was first the votes towards L-1, the unvotes after the claim, then the votes towards the lynch.

The first bandwagon was forming slowly, making it easy for scum to position (distance, etc)
The second was fast, with Pops as confirmed scum, and where pops was a target for bussing

Raskol, myko scum are not out of the question.

thank you. Why?

[Fishythefish]

I get the feeling I really really should think Fishy's town based on his pushing of pops and reversing the wagon situation from evilsnail leading pops 5-3 to 4-4, but my gut still isn't sure. Fishy, could you link to any towngames where you were way sensitive to little pressure?
Also, can you talk through your vote on pops in 1155 - what were the factors that led you to lay it down on pops rather than CSL?

I'm not sure that a little pressure on me is something I'd remember. The specific feeling I had in this game was that I was being suspected for a global playstyle-type that I didn't really understand and couldn't do anything about. The only attacks I recall having made on me - as scum or town - have been much more focused and easily dealt with. The feeling of powerlessness here definitely contributed to my paranoia.

Here's a game I got myself lynched in - I can't remember exactly how the wagon started, but I reacted to it badly and there may be something similar there.

Antartic Mafia

As for my pops vote in 1155; I had two suspects, I weighed the cases, and I decided I had more reason to vote pops. There's really not much more I can say on that vote. I explained my reasoning a little later (1165), which gives all my thoughts on pops at that time.

[evilsnail]

Evil, I consider it a tell when somebody uses "consistency" as a good thing, about himself. It is the same as saying "See how town I am", except it isn't true here (being consistent =/= being town), because it is almost the opposite. (trying to be consistent = scum, quite often)

Well, I get the logic of this, but, at the time, I was being accused of inconsistency, of only having suspicions of people when they were being wagonned. It's only from that perspective that consistency mattered. It feels like you consider just the use of the word a scum tell, which is a bit strange.

[farside22]

mod: please prod Gayle and may

[zorastermod]

I will prod. Also:

Rhinox has exited this universe

vote count coming soon.

[zorastermod]

Day 3 Vote Count

CSL ( 0 )
elvis_knits ( 0 )
evilsnail ( 2 ) Hoopla mykonian
farside22 ( 0 )
fishythefish ( 0 )
Hoopla ( 5 ) farside22 CSL evilsnail fishythefish Ellibereth
gayle ( 0 )
mykonian ( 0 )
ojanen ( 0 )
Ellibereth ( 0 )
Raskol ( 0 )
Rhinox ( 0 )
Maelyn ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 5 ) Raskol Maelyn Rhinox gayle ojanen
Total Votes ( 12 )

With 11 alive, 6 needed to lynch.
Deadline: March 10th 10:30 EST

[Haylen]

Myko, you say that Hoopla made a slip? But then you voted for Evilsnail because it was better. How can voting a player who has not made a scumslip be better than voting for a player who has?

Vote Hoopla

[Fishythefish]

With Rhinox leaving, that is the hammer.

[Haylen]

what?
That's what i get for not reading the mods posts properly. Oh well, I had the intention of hammering as the person to put her at L-1.

[zorastermod]

Just to make it official, I'm going to say that:

Haylen replaces Maelyn

[zorastermod]

Final Day 3 Vote Count

CSL ( 0 )
elvis_knits ( 0 )
evilsnail ( 2 ) Hoopla mykonian
farside22 ( 0 )
fishythefish ( 0 )

Hoopla ( 6 ) farside22 CSL evilsnail fishythefish Ellibereth Haylen

gayle ( 0 )
mykonian ( 0 )
ojanen ( 0 )
Ellibereth ( 0 )
Raskol ( 0 )
Haylen ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 3 ) Raskol gayle ojanen
Total Votes ( 11 )

With 12 alive, 7 needed to lynch.
Deadline: March 10th 10:30 EST

Hoopla the Town (1) townie was lynched

Night actions due by Noon EST on March 3rd.

[zorastermod]

SpyreX replaces Raskol

[zorastermod]

Night 3 has ended.

farside22 the Town (1) Townie was killed

Starbuck has entered this universe

Day 4 Begins now.

The Deadline is March 17 at 12:00 EST.

[mykonian]

ok. That was not quite as expected, but there is nothing that doesn't say it wasn't an accident, so on this moment haylen is lucky. We also know that Elli, Starbuck and Haylen are not in 1 scumteam (the game would have ended in universe 2).

I would expect scum to be on the Hoopla wagon, and for later: I suspect Elli more then Haylen.

Further, the wagon formed quickly in the start, so one cannot say a lot about the order there.

[SpyreX]

I was "blessed" enough to replace into this game during night so I got a chance to play catchup uninterrupted.

Couple things:

This day one was ridiculous. Just, seriously, ridiculous.
I'd recommend, at this juncture, pushing at least of of the other worlders back for a security measure.
Pops being scum was mildly surprising - but that helps a lot overall (gayle, fishy, ellibereth are probably town)
The hoopla power-wagon went WAY too fast. It was probably inevitable but take who he replaced into account and maaybe that one doesn't go down like that.
The amount of meta in this game is staggeringly bad. Stop it.
That said, NOT BECAUSE of the whole DGB / ABR madness I'm going to redo my iso and then explain this vote in detail because its a good one:

Vote: Mykonian

[mykonian]

I would love to hear it. You actually know how I play as scum/town (I thought)

[evilsnail]

ok. That was not quite as expected, but there is nothing that doesn't say it wasn't an accident, so on this moment haylen is lucky. We also know that Elli, Starbuck and Haylen are not in 1 scumteam (the game would have ended in universe 2).

Not true. There's a reasonable chance there's scum in some of the players who've gone over, in which case the game wouldn't end in U2. This is a revealing comment if you're scum.

I'm kinda surprised by the Rhinox teleport. I would have expected scum to use their one-shot during the night and not during the day, for one thing. I can see a few motivations for the teleport (assuming it was U1 scum that did it, U2 doesn't make that much sense). If Rhinox is town, it suggests we still have our two mafia A scum and they're narrowing down the townie pull. If Rhinox is scum, it suggests that maybe all U1 scum have gone over to U2. Or maybe they felt that splitting the team would be good odds-wise. But then I don't see why they'd do it so late.

[evilsnail]

Wait, never mind. Totally didn't see U2 entered Night. I thought the Rhinox teleport was our first non-nightly teleport.

[Starbuck]

So, where should I start reading?

I really wasn't keeping up with this universe after DGB died.

[mykonian]

I would start at that point, like spyrex said, first day, esspecially the end, was a mess.

and there are not so many of them left anymore.