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Post Post #11 (isolation #0) » Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:45 pm

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Nik wrote:Vote: d3x.
Obviously. Did you expect anything different?
*sigh* Can't we play nice for
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How does 2265=LL?

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Post Post #26 (isolation #1) » Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:21 pm

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@Shotty- What makes you think you drew the first 'serious' Vote? Unless you're suggesting that the other Vote-getters have only 1 thumb.
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Post Post #40 (isolation #2) » Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:50 pm

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Regarding charter versus Shotty...

-On the topic of undermining the 2 wagons, I could go either way.
-On the topic of joking about garnering Votes, this early I see no real problem with it. Were it later in the Day, I'd feel differently.
-On the topic of active lurking, I definitely side with Shotty.

@charter- Are you seriously accusing Shotty of actively lurking on page 2?

@Konowa- What are your 'serious' reasons for Voting Shotty?*

*Disclaimer- I know I potentially won't get my answer for a few days.
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Post Post #54 (isolation #3) » Sun Feb 07, 2010 8:47 am

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Another Random Vote, RC? What makes dry-fit different than any of the other unmentioned players?
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Post Post #63 (isolation #4) » Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:26 am

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RC wrote:Can it really be considered random
there's no specific reason for dry-fit
It seems you're splitting hairs there, RC.

WIFOM means that you can neither go after nor ignore someone based on information that you cannot know yourself. Thus, as LL said the players mentioned by Sotty should be no different than anyone else.
I think it's pointless or potentially harmful to argue which one of them were "most likely" to be her shooter
There's a big difference between not using Sotty's death as a factor to go after a player and completely taking them out of the ranking for potential Scum. The fact that you'd so easily jump to this extreme makes me very apprehensive about you RC.

I'm also curious, you said that you'd want them off the table 'for right now'. When would you say we could discuss them again as potential Scum?
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Post Post #65 (isolation #5) » Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:54 am

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@RC- Reconcile these two.
In p60, you wrote:I think it's best that we completely take anyone directly involved with Sotty out of the picture.
Just now, you wrote:I'm certainly not clearing anyone.
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Post Post #68 (isolation #6) » Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:30 pm

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On second thought, let's add this one in too.
In p52, RC wrote:I say it's best to vote somewhere outside the little connection Sotty had to the game.
Again, how is this "not clearing anyone," even temporarily? If we're putting a halt on Voting the 3 players you suggested, what
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Post Post #78 (isolation #7) » Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:19 am

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RC wrote:If Moai is able to understand me, then I know I'm communicating it effectively.
Ok. You are saying that based off of one player's statement, you are in the right and communicating effectively? What about the 5 players who disagree? What about the fact that before Sotty died, that one player had a wagon on him? What about the fact that the statements that people aren't liking from you are
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Also, nowhere in Moai's p70 does he restate your position, back it up, or in any way state that he 'understands you'. He's saying that the wagon is "stupid" and "weak" claiming that we're Scum. I'll wait until he's responded to LL's p72 before I continue down this road, though.

In Iso3, you said we should Vote outside of the "little connection Sotty had with the game". Would it be bad/a mistake to build upon the suspicions we had before Sotty's death? I'm not saying to build upon them with the WIFOM from Sotty's death, mind you.

+1 Dry-fit. I like my Vote right where it is, but I'm not against the RC wagon at this time.
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Post Post #84 (isolation #8) » Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:29 pm

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RC wrote:I didn't suggest this at all.
I didn't say that you did, I was merely asking a question so as to build upon your answer. I know you're under extreme fire here, but settle down with the jumpy defensiveness. I'm not even Voting you.

Now then, there was good discussion staring about and between both charter and Shotty. Aside from the existing wagons, my Vote on Moai was serious as I eluded to in p26, and I'm assuming Sotty's was as well {although I'm not trying to evoke WIFOM, I'm just saying}.

These are good leads to get into discussion and assuming you were not trying to buddy/clear anyone, at the
absolute
least you tried to take us back into the RVS and quash the fledgling discussions that were there. These are both antiTown moves, imo.

Furthermore...
My only intention was to say that we shouldn't be any more receptive to their supposed involvement or lack of involvement in the killing.
While that may have been your intention, you actually said...
If anything, I say it's best to vote somewhere outside the little connection Sotty had to the game.
If you were tyring to say that we shouldn't get drawn into the WIFOM, you failed. If you were trying to say that we shouldn't look any heavier on these 3 regarding Sotty's death, you failed again.
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Post Post #87 (isolation #9) » Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:21 am

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There's a whole lot of people saying a whole lot of nothing. That doesn't bode well and definitely makes me nervous.

@Mod- Prod on Nik, plz?
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Post Post #103 (isolation #10) » Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:05 am

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charter wrote:
{1.}
d3x, what do you guys think of Shotty?
{2.}
Of a Shotty/MIC scumteam?
1
. Meh. I'd like to see what he was talking about when he mentioned the last time you tunneled him. As of right now I've got him mostly neutral with a bit of a Scum-lean. I'd still very much like to hear back from Kon regarding the 'serious Vote' from page 1.
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. I don't like putting too much stock in Scum teams this early. We do have one flip, but that came so damn soon that it doesn't really give us much of anything. I like MIC for Scum right now and I want to see him swing.
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. I'm also a bit concerned about Hoopla. There's a lot of Vote hopping and essentially no discussing.
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Post Post #153 (isolation #11) » Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:13 pm

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In p152, Hoopla wrote:WIFOM
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Frankly, I'm not thinking RC's Scum. I'm not ruling it out completely, but I believe that the amount of anti-RC sentiment going around looked like an easy place for MIC to gain townie points when RC's inevitable lynch occured.
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Post Post #158 (isolation #12) » Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:33 pm

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Hoopla- You're assuming that my Vote is based solely off of your WIFOM post. I'm not faulting you for that, as I didn't list any other reasons in my post, however you can be assured that there is more.

First, you're D1 play is very suspicious to me. Others have stated that it's against your Town meta but that's low on my list. The way you bounced your Vote around made me very nervous, especially considering that not a single Vote contained a reason aside from 'Another wagon! Yay!'

You tried to derail the MIC wagon and C.C called you on it twice. The reactions were very different and, imo, telling. The first time, you said that the suspicion was "valid". The second, you become defensive, lashing out about how it'd be a stupid Scum play.

This is essentially the same thing that you've now done with the WIFOM post. You called yourself out on WIFOM and when someone agrees that it's scummy, you get defensive; going off about me 'misunderstanding a wiki-tell'. Nice try to get me to go point by point on a WIFOM debate, btw.

Now let's look at your End of Day plays. You UnVoted MIC because... oh, yeah, there was no reason. You UnVoted him and went after C.C saying it's a longshot, but not giving any reasons why anyone should follow. Considering your comment in Iso10, I don't understand why one presumably reasonless wagon isn't as good as another.

Looking at your ReVote on MIC, you gave no real reason for Hammering him aside from "I don't think he's not suspicious". If you really didn't like the wagon, why Hammer with almost 24 hours left? It had been only 12 hours since you last left the wagon, why not give the C.C lynch another go?

Also, your 'quick predictions' post feels very forced. It's like you're trying very hard to gain Town points at in the last remaining seconds before Night, trying to get your opinion out 'just in case you're NKed'.
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Post Post #164 (isolation #13) » Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:39 pm

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Ok, if I'm missing something here, please point it out.
Hoopla wrote:My suspicion for you
{Locke}
is based on guessing where I think scum are, and why you unvoted MIC.
As far as I can tell, Locke never voted MIC.

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Post Post #166 (isolation #14) » Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:29 pm

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charter wrote:since I'm not very in to this game, my conviction in Shottyscum is waivering.
Were you more 'into this game', would you not be questioning your earlier read on Shotty? I'm not really getting what you mean here.
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Post Post #170 (isolation #15) » Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:15 pm

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Can we have a prod or something on Konowa? He hasn't posted for over a week now.
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Post Post #173 (isolation #16) » Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:22 pm

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Mod
- Can we also get prods on Locke and Col.Cathart? Neither has posted since Sunday afternoon. Thx.

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I wrote:If you really didn't like the
{MIC}
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Post Post #188 (isolation #17) » Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:29 pm

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W...T...F....

Step 1 -
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Step 2- More in a sec...
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Post Post #190 (isolation #18) » Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:35 pm

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Here are my thoughts, we have Hoopla kill someone of our choice and direction. This way it'll prove the claim {barring DayKill SK} or confirm the Scum.
@Hoopla- Why were you looking at your 3 listed candidates as targets? What were you trying to accomplish with the random bandwagoning yesterday? Are you permitted to post flavor text? Are you only a 2-shot Day Vig?

@C.C- Did you get any results last night?
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Post Post #194 (isolation #19) » Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:02 pm

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I'm not advocating anyone else UnVote. I just think it's prudent until we sort out exactly what to do.

I am a bit torn over having her self-Vig. What would the SK motivation be for her recent play? If we're not thinking she's an SK, then if she can't kill anyone, we have a DayVig. It'll also be in the Scum's best interest to NK her if she is an SK. Let's talk this fully out before we decide on anything. If we have Hoopla self-Vig, C.C's hung out to dry tonight and that's 2 Town PR's down. If we can preserve one of them, why wouldn't we?

@Hoopla-
I don't get why you would do this if you could just kill Locke and bypass trying to convince anyone else to vote him.
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Post Post #196 (isolation #20) » Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:02 pm

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EBWOP: If we're not thinking she's an SK, then if she can't kill anyone
she's Scum; otherwise
we have a DayVig.
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Post Post #208 (isolation #21) » Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:34 pm

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you have ~12 hours to get a lynch to save yourself.
I doubt that would save him. The games I've read where this situation comes up has the Vig/SK go through when the day ends {ie- when the Mod shows up} as opposed to saving the target.

I kind of think you're wrong about RC being Scum, but I sure as hell hope you're not.

Hoopla- Why did you agree for the Town to direct your kill and then shoot anyway?
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Post Post #210 (isolation #22) » Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:47 pm

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I'd be down for a lurker kill and I wouldn't be against a Shotty kill. Either way, I'd have prefered you waited until we saw Konowa's replacement and Zach's hypothetical contribution to the game, but
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Post Post #211 (isolation #23) » Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:48 pm

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I would have also liked to hear back from charter regarding your proposed seppuku.
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Post Post #213 (isolation #24) » Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:55 pm

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In p208, I wrote:I kind of think you're wrong about RC being Scum
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Post Post #215 (isolation #25) » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:13 pm

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Million Dollar question, isn't it?

I'd believe that there was a 3rd party on the lynch over Scum. Both lurkers were off the lynch and that's got me really nervous. I'm not putting it past a late addition bus, but I was looking mostly at you there. The jury's still out on that, I suppose.
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Post Post #217 (isolation #26) » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:38 pm

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I do have a tendency to park my Votes, yeah. I don't care for bouncing my Vote around a lot because I believe it needs to have weight to it. I do have a fairly good track record, so aside from a few embarassing games {one which sigma and Zach can both attest to when/if Zach finally shows his face} it hasn't done me
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Regarding MIC D1, I had legit reasons to keep my Vote there all Day. It wasn't really ever a Random Vote and I never saw any redeeming qualities to MIC's play, so I never had cause to move it. While I was questioning RC on his 'Sotty play', I had a mostly neutral/Town read on him, but I wanted to pressure him to be sure. I also hoped to drum up a bit of discussion and draw out some Scum, which worked admirably. My other game with RC, he was Scum and this just doesn't have the same feel {although admittedly, I didn't catch on to him then}.

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Quid pro quo- Do you usually Vote 6x D1? Also, why haven't you Voted at all today? I'm also still waiting on that fluff, btw.
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Post Post #222 (isolation #27) » Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:54 am

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@Shotty- What changed between your Iso18 and Iso19? Or is your position on Locke only dependant on Hoopla's presumed innocence? Also to clarify, I didn't say 'I want Shotty killed', I said I wouldn't be against it. I know that it's splitting hairs, but the reason is mostly gut and an unsettling feeling in your direction; nothing concrete or factual.

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Post Post #224 (isolation #28) » Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:33 am

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So to keep this straight, we currently have...

Who wants Hoopla to shoot whom

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{1} charter
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Haven't Decided or Weighed in
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Post Post #236 (isolation #29) » Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:58 am

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@Zach- I'm sorry to hear about all of that, bro. Be well and take care of yourself.

On a game related note, you are in full belief that Hoopla is capable of the DayKill, right? Even if she's Scum, do you not see worth in a directed shot from us? If she's Scum, she could shoot anyone she wanted and probably would have at some earlier point, so why not at least get the shot out before the lynch?

@Anyone thinking of Hammering Hoopla before the discussion of using her Shot before the Lynch is finished- Don't. You will be dubbed Scum and I will do everything in my power to see you lynched.

@Everyone else- We're suffering from attendance/participation issues as it is, can we please not get sidetracked by a videogame discussion? Please?
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Post Post #252 (isolation #30) » Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:12 am

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What the
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Pre-emptive
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Post Post #264 (isolation #31) » Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:53 am

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Bio wrote:Yeah, with the way you've been so honest and forthcoming about your role so far, I was really unreasonable to expect that you might be lying about how your role works (how many shot you have...ect).
Bio. Listen. All of the things you are saying make perfect sense if you didn't Hammer. There is a very simple and empyrical way to test if she's telling the truth or not in regards to the DayKill. We tell her who to Kill and then they die. It would be the simplest thing in the world to Lynch her immediately afterwards if you still believe she's the SK. If the player didn't die, she'd be lynched
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Post Post #266 (isolation #32) » Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:59 am

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If she wanted to kill someone else, she would've already. It's not like she can only use her ability once we tell her to Kill someone. Think it through, man! Seriously!
If she does flip scum, she would certainly have incentive to kill Col. Cathart if it looked like she was going to get lynched.
I don't even understand what this means.
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Post Post #267 (isolation #33) » Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:04 am

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Oh, and you've also written C.C his death sentence, btw. Thanks for that.
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Post Post #270 (isolation #34) » Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:30 am

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I think you have hoopla to thank for that one.
Assuming that Hoopla is not Scum, which is exactly what I'm assuming, Scum would've had to choose between 2 PRs to NK tonight {regardless of whether Hoopla was actual Vig or SK}. Now, we have our Tracker swinging in the wind by himself. You eliminated the choice, thus you decided his fate.
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Post Post #280 (isolation #35) » Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:36 am

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Post Post #285 (isolation #36) » Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:24 am

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I'm good for a charter lynch today, but everyone needs to weigh in before we string him up.

Before all of that however, can you two give us an idea {summary in your own words} of your flavor? I'd like charter to go first.
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Post Post #287 (isolation #37) » Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:28 am

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Fair enough, C.C?
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Post Post #289 (isolation #38) » Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:53 am

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charter- Also, in the 1st example {sited for 4 Scum}, there are 2 different Mafias. These are clearly differentiated, even in the individual Death Scenes. In our game {while I'm not saying it's
impossible
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If you are standing behind your assertion of 4 Mafia in a Mini, can you link to one that actually fits the scenario here?
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Post Post #291 (isolation #39) » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:12 am

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I'm just saying that what Cathart thinks is balanced doesn't really matter since he didn't make the setup
I agree with this 100%.
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Post Post #295 (isolation #40) » Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:59 am

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I would like to hear something from RC, Bio and Zach. Those last two especially as they are barely participating in this game...
I've stopped myself from making this post 2 or 3 times. The board's only been open 12 hours. A lot of discussion has taken place already and it seems longer, but that's the truth of the matter. Now, if it gets close to a prod on some of these jokers, I suggest we push the Mod for replacements.
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Post Post #298 (isolation #41) » Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:14 pm

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charter- What do you mean you 'forgot about Bio'? He was on your list.
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Post Post #302 (isolation #42) » Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:57 pm

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Bio- What are your thoughts about D1 and D2 {before you joined}? What are your thoughts on Konowa? What are your thoughts on Nik/Zach?
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Post Post #304 (isolation #43) » Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:38 pm

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Meh, it's not actually
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I think it's very dangerous to pin our hopes on him not being Scum. Also let's assume the worst, mislynch and NK put us 2 townies down. Potentially that should still be salvageable, but mislynch+NK+potential misVig is just plain suicide.

I'm not saying he's the 100% Lynch today {I'm looking at you Bio}, but I think this line of thought this early in the Day is very dangerous. If charter's not the Lynch for today, then I suggest we look at his other abilities for tonight.
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Post Post #307 (isolation #44) » Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:58 pm

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Zach- What are your thoughts about D1 and D2 {before you joined}? What are your thoughts on Nik? What are your thoughts on Konowa/Bio?
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Post Post #316 (isolation #45) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:26 am

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A thought I would like to offer up for discussion.

What if we No Lynch today and have charter investigate tonight instead of Vig? The Scum will be put in the position of either killing our confirmed Tracker or the '1-Shot Cop'. Assuming charter lives through the Night, we can test his claim with the lynch tomorrow.

I don't know the complete fallout of this plan, but I thought I'd put it out there to see if anyone can find any reasons why we shouldn't try this.
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Post Post #320 (isolation #46) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:02 am

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Got it.

Ultimately then, we need to hit Scum either with a Lynch or Vig tonight to stay out of MyLo tomorrow. This is assuming a 3 man Mafia, of course.

With that in mind, I'm 100% against a Vig tonight. If we Mislynch today and charter 'misVigs' tonight, we lose unless there's a lucky protection PR out there still.

Regarding charter's no flavor claim, it definitely lends credit to him. From the way Hoopla responded in p229 I thought any false claims would've made up some flavor text and gotten busted for it.
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Post Post #323 (isolation #47) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:12 am

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If scum-charter has an additional kill...
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Post Post #325 (isolation #48) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:26 am

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I hope that was a rhetorical question.
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Post Post #327 (isolation #49) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:44 am

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Yeah, pretty much. That and it's a discussion that we can get stuck into that won't further meaningful discussion, imo. It's not really going to help us figure out who to Lynch today. After the game's done, I'd be more than happy to enter into a discussion about whether the mechanics were broken or not, as that's the only time we'll truly know.
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Post Post #329 (isolation #50) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:00 pm

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The '2 Mafia NKs being broken' was more of an after-thought. My main opposition to the line of thinking was my first response...
what would be the reason of waiting until N3 or beyond to use it? Why not just blast a few proTown players N1?
Given it may stray into WIFOM territory, but I was trying to illustrate that I didn't believe your hypothetical suggestion of Scumcharter+extra NK was very plausible.

Since we're obviously both online atm, what are your thoughts on the 2 lurkers? Do you buy Bio's answers?
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Post Post #332 (isolation #51) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 4:23 pm

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That's enough for me.

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Post Post #336 (isolation #52) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:13 pm

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An idea popped into my head when I was in the shower earlier.
First.. wow. Lol!

Second and more importantly...
We lynch either BH or Zach, and charter shoots the other one.
Didn't we just talk about the fact that if we misLynch and misVig, we're essentially losing the game tonight? Are you confident enough that one of the two lurkers are Scum that you'd risk the game right now?
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Post Post #339 (isolation #53) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:44 pm

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I <3 RC and the lovely visage of his glorious naked body. End transmission.

Seriously though, I'm leaning towards one Scum between the two {hell, I've Voted for each today}, but I don't know that I'm so confident that I'm ready to Endgame this right now. That's what we're talking about here. Unless it's 1 Scum and a potential 3rd party left, we'd lose now if you were wrong.
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Post Post #354 (isolation #54) » Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:38 pm

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My suggestion is to start with a lurker lynch.

I'm currently leaning on Zach due to meta. In our first game together, he was rather lurky and would pop in to say things on occasion. In our 2nd game together, he was a Town PR and he was very active.[/url]
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Post Post #356 (isolation #55) » Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:50 pm

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@RC- If we lynch one of these lurker fools and they flip Scum, do you still want charter to 'Vig' the other? Obviously you want the 'Vig' on the other if they flip Town.
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Post Post #365 (isolation #56) » Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:48 am

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Zach wrote:using meta to push for my lynch is pretty weak
I agree wholeheartedly! Especially incomplete meta. However, whatever it takes to get you active in this game to give us some help, I'll do. I cannot read someone who isn't posting and I'm about 75% convinced that one of our 2 lurkers is Scum.
His early posts to start off the day seemed pretty reasonable.
Which Day are you refering to? Today? Or his entrance yesterday?

@Bio- What do you think your greatest contribution to this game has been in terms of Scum-hunting? Also, are you planning on doing any in the near future?
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Post Post #370 (isolation #57) » Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:14 am

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I'm down for the Hammer on charter {due in part to the liability of having him in end game, the unverified and suspicious claim, and the tracking result}, but I'd like to hear back from others before I do.

The reason I'm asking for this is, we still have 10 days until deadline. I really don't like killing the rest of our day so early, but conversation has been slowly stalling out over the last few days and I think a lynch needs to happen.
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Post Post #375 (isolation #58) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:58 pm

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@Zach- If you have anything you want to say, I suggest you say it. I'm waiting for C.C tomorrow and then I'm Hammering.
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Post Post #378 (isolation #59) » Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:15 am

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In p236, I wrote:@Anyone thinking of Hammering Hoopla before the discussion of using her Shot before the Lynch is finished- Don't. You will be dubbed Scum and I will do everything in my power to see you lynched.
I wouldn't be so fast to say that Hoopla was the only one who called the Hammer scummy, LL. This was the post immediately before Bio Hammered.

Regarding the suspicion on me, that's completely fine. If it brings about discussion, I'm all for it.

I find it really odd that you guys would fight to get charter at L-1 and then have a problem with someone stating their intent to Hammer once everyone's had their say, but whatever.
Locke wrote:I'm really getting a scummy read from d3x. He appears to agree wholeheartedly with myself and CC over charter, which bothers me somehow.
This is interesting to me. I 'agree wholeheartedly'? I just went back and looked at the reasons you've stated for Voting charter, and they seem to mostly stem from his choice of how to handle Shotty and the protection on C.C. Did you read my reasons for the intent to Hammer? None of them even touch on these points.
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Post Post #384 (isolation #60) » Mon Mar 08, 2010 8:20 am

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There are a bunch of problems that I see with the above plan {not to mention the fact that I'm pretty sure we already discussed this and shot it down, read p303 and 304}.

The biggest I'm seeing is this: what if charter is one of 2 Scum left? I know what I'd do in that situation as Scum. Have charter NK the other Scum. I can't find anywhere in the rules that this is not allowed and this 'confirms' charter as the JOAT with no other provable abilities left.
That
my friends is a very easy Scum victory. He then 'uses' his last ability as the Cop to setup either the MyLo or says he got an innocent read on someone or even just claims that he was blocked.

The more I think about this, the more I think that we pretty much have to Lynch charter today. I'm ok waiting until closer to deadline, giving us a chance to discuss things, on the provision that we
are
going to discuss things.

First among my list of things I'd like to discuss is our brace of lurkers. I think I have some questions floating around here for them that I don't think have yet been answered. I'll see if I can find them again. Second, I'd like to look into your knee-jerk reaction and gutScum read on me. I hope you're not planning on just dropping it after my single response and Zach's pushback. That would be very suspicious, imo.
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Post Post #385 (isolation #61) » Mon Mar 08, 2010 8:23 am

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Bio- If you come in here and Hammer charter in your next post I
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Post Post #391 (isolation #62) » Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:28 am

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LL- The easy Scum victory...

There are 7 currently living players.
Let's assume Scum charter and 1 other Scum.

D3- No Lynch- 7 players
N3- charter NKs his partner- 6 players
D4- we mislynch {there's no way we'd Lynch charter after a 'successful' demonstration of his Vig}- 5 players
N4- charter probably NKs C.C- 4 players and we're in MyLo
D5- charter claims that he used his 'investigation' against any of the 3 leftovers- due to his previous success, we have no reason to doubt him, we mislynch- 3 players
N5- charter NKs whoever- 2 players, Scum win

Are you telling me that after hypoScumcharter sets himself up with a successfull Vig we would lynch him? In this scenario, if C.C tracks charter tonight, he'd confirm the NK from charter. Or that after he 'proves' his PR that we wouldn't believe his investigation? C.C would in all likelyhood be NKed before he could give us his result for tomorrow night. How is this
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a major concern to you? I'd love to be able to bank on a protective PR in this game but the fact remains, there's nothing that suggests one. We have to play this out as though we don't have one.
I think CC makes a good point about you wanting to lynch the lurkers a bit too eagerly.
Do you have a solid read on either lurker? Are you comfortable with either of them in an End Game LyLo scenario? Also note, my push for lurker lynches was before I realized the potential of hypoScumcharter left alive tonight with the plan I just outlined.
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Post Post #392 (isolation #63) » Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:16 am

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EBWOP- N4 should be LyLo, not MyLo.
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Post Post #398 (isolation #64) » Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:11 am

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@LL- No thoughts about the easy Scum victory I posted in depth? Do you still see it as not 'as easy a win as you suggest'. It seriously worries me that you'd be willing to bring charter to the chopping block and then back all the way off and suggest a No Lynch.
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Post Post #401 (isolation #65) » Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:18 pm

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@Mod
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Does anyone have any reasons
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Post Post #413 (isolation #66) » Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:56 am

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Happy Scumday LL!! I'll throw a 1-man parade in your honor!

Anyway...
'CC is in fact scum cleverly hidden as Tracker'
It's funny, but that'd been floating around in my head for a while now. I didn't much care for the counterclaim on Hoopla because this isn't an open setup. There's nothing that says there aren't 2 trackers in this game. I don't believe that you are Scum in the slightest {especially with the charter flip} but I'd be lying if I said it hadn't crossed my mind a few times yesterday.

As you saw, I did nothing last night.

Bio- I'm sorry I didn't get a further chance to answer your question regarding charter's D1. I mostly had a null read on him.

In other news, I'm down for a lurker Lynch. Especially now that we have a bit more breathing room.
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Post Post #416 (isolation #67) » Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:38 pm

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LL- That's exactly what I mean. As a matter of fact, I'll start with...

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Post Post #424 (isolation #68) » Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:24 am

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I'm down for a MassClaim.

C.C- As our resident confirmed Town, please pick the order.
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Post Post #428 (isolation #69) » Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:31 am

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Townie isn't a claim, it's a side. Try again, Bio.
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Post Post #429 (isolation #70) » Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:32 am

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What does your PM Rolename say?
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Post Post #433 (isolation #71) » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:07 am

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RC?
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Post Post #436 (isolation #72) » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:12 am

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Vanilla Townie.

UnVote/Vote:Zach
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Post Post #439 (isolation #73) » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:24 am

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Sadly, this won't be a complete test. If Zach's claim is true, there's no gaurantee that the RB is what stopped the NK. I agree with LL that I doubt Scum would No Kill in this situation, though. And with no Doc, this is our only reasonable explanation.

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Post Post #440 (isolation #74) » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:28 am

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You think we ought to co-ordinate on blocking/tracking just in case Zach's not scum and they really did no-kill last night?
I recommend a track on LL and a block on someone else.
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Post Post #445 (isolation #75) » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:35 am

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+1
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Post Post #449 (isolation #76) » Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:52 am

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Zach, you were the remaining Scum?
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Post Post #454 (isolation #77) » Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:52 am

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The game's not over yet, though. Until sigma shows and shuts it down, we're in twilight. While highly improbable, there could be a 3rd party out there yet.
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Post Post #463 (isolation #78) » Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:26 am

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I thuroughly enjoyed this game! Good job everyone. It's been a lot of fun. Thanks for the Mod/invite sigma.

Zach, you couldn't get away from me this time! Muh-hahahahah!
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Post Post #471 (isolation #79) » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:02 am

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Nik wrote:Sorry for replacing out, guys.
No worries, bro. While I would have relished killing you again, I'll just have to settle for Lynching you by proxy. ;)
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