Open 200 / SCIENCE! Mafia ~ Game over!

[Battle Mage]

Oh my, I forgot to give my shout outs!

Hai, Haylen!
Hai, CSL!
Hai, RayFrost!
Hai, Animorpherv1!
Hai, Skitzer/Cat!
Hai, Maemuki/mod!

Sheesh, the only person here I

don't

know is Battle Mage. This is going to be a fun game!

It's ok champ- i haven't heard of you either.

What i wanna know is, what proportion of this game is comprised of Haylen alts?

Seems like it could be the Mod, and 3 players - 4 including me. Is that endgame?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Oh my, I forgot to give my shout outs!

Hai, Haylen!
Hai, CSL!
Hai, RayFrost!
Hai, Animorpherv1!
Hai, Skitzer/Cat!
Hai, Maemuki/mod!

Sheesh, the only person here I

don't

know is Battle Mage. This is going to be a fun game!

It's ok champ- i haven't heard of you either.

What i wanna know is, what proportion of this game is comprised of Haylen alts?

Seems like it could be the Mod, and 3 players - 4 including me. Is that endgame?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Apologies for my abysmal internet connection. Ah well.

Vote: CSL

BM

[Battle Mage]

Vote: ani

because he's really annoying sometimes.

I guess you missed it, but we're lynching CSL today.

Confirm Vote: CSL

BM

[Battle Mage]

I bet he will get replaced out.

FoS: BM

for voting me without giving so much as a random reason.

Unvote: CSL

OMGUS?

Let's see what you're made of, Balls.

Vote: Ani

BM

[Battle Mage]

Unvote: Haylen.

Joke vote served its purpose.

Vote: Animorpherv1.

HAMMER TIME GO!!!

...just kidding.

Unvote: Animorpherv1. Vote: Battle Mage.

Calling a FoS OMGUS is scummy.

Explain.

Unvote, Vote: SaintKerrigan

not random, not OMGUS.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Unvote, Vote: Battle Mage

This thread is way too lacking in the Battle Mage department.

Obv Scum.

I completely agree. In a game like this, me not having a vote on me at any given time is inexcusable. Or at least uncharacteristic.

Alot of this game already has my eyebrows raised. Let's review:

See Haylen, that's why I can't get a read on you. The way you make mistakes makes me always think your town. It's the exact same way I would make mistakes.

If she does something that makes her seem town, and is exactly how you behave as town, then you do have a read on her. That read is town.
What games have you two played together?

Are you aware that you just L-1'd him? Don't you think it's a bit early for the day to end considering we're like 3 days in?

I'd like somebody to unvote so there are no accidental hammers ect.

We need more discussion

.

Erm, why the heck would you defend me?
That seems unbelievably out of character for you? Then again, it isn't exactly scum meta.

Regarding the italics: Yes, Haylen, because orca wang was a huge contributor to discussion. Ok, i'll concede it was huge. :p
But constructive? No. And directly appealing to something notoriously protown is scummy.

It's ok, you'll find something eventually, and then It'll be proven wrong

strangely enough, i actually like this. Good vibes.

@ Haylen:

7 alive = 4 to lynch. Two votes on a player = L-2.
Quickvoters are scummy.
Neither of you two. (It's only Page 2)
No one is protown yet.

I dont think quickvoting at this point is scummy. Anything resembling a L-1 vote is unacceptable, but L-2 is fine. It's still the best way to get information.

I'll also say now that one player here is gonna get a special surprise bitchslap from me at the end of the game for complete stupidity. So stay tuned...

More pending.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Unvote: Haylen.

Joke vote served its purpose.

Vote: Animorpherv1.

HAMMER TIME GO!!!

...just kidding.

Unvote: Animorpherv1. Vote: Battle Mage.

Calling a FoS OMGUS is scummy.

Explain.

Unvote, Vote: SaintKerrigan

not random, not OMGUS.

BM

How exactly is a simple FoS made out to be OMGUS? It smells fishy to me.

I really don't understand where you are coming from here. Read this:

FoS: BM for voting me...

Then tell me how you can call that anything other than OMGUS.

Furthermore, i'd like you to explain WHY scum-BM would want to falsely accuse someone of OMGUS on Page 1 of a game.

I think you chose the wrong time to commit, sunshine.

BM

[Battle Mage]

@ RayFrost: I'm disappointed in you. I thought I trained you not to vote me under any circumstances.

pointless appeal to emotion...

Haylen, if i had to press you for a most protown player atm...?

Battle Mage

BM, you are not the only one who would like to know how many of these players are my alts. I think everyone has multiple personalities, so when they're asleep as one person, they;re awake as another person. This makes me wonder where there are actually such things as other countries or are we actually just waking up as another person at a different hour.

I think it's slightly scummy that BM confirmed his vote on CSL without hearing anything of content from him first. It's illogical to say that he was active lurking considering how early we are into the game.

You know me. Gotta keep the pressure on.

He unvotes CSL and votes Ani without so much as explaining why. Possible early distancing between BM and CSL?

I cant remember why i voted Ani. Will check for you in a second. Unvoted CSL because there was nothing more to be gained by voting for him.

Doesn't explain his vote on SaintKerrigan, does explain what it isn't.

Stay tuned on that one.

Questions to ask Battle Mage

Why did you unvote CSL after confirm voting him?

You should know not to take everything i do seriously by now.
I work in mysterious ways haha.

Who do you think is the most likely to be scum at the moment?

If i was a betting man, SaintKerrigan would be my pick. But there's not a great deal out there atm.

Are you going to shoot your mouth off at me for doing this 'too early' in a game?

Nope. What would you say to the suggestion of a massclaim?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Vote: ani

because he's really annoying sometimes.

Ah, my vote on Ani was because CSL had also, and i wanted to see if he would keep it, or back off. Guess i lost my thread on that one. lol

BM

[Battle Mage]

@ Battle Mage: Your partial quote of CSL totally twists what he actually said. That makes me suspicious.

Ironically, though, I'm more suspicious of CSL at the moment.

Son, that is not irony. THIS is irony:

You have not explained yourself fully. lol
I asked you to elaborate on your previous comments which you hadn't substantiated, and instead you make ANOTHER vague mud-sling in my direction.

You have exactly 1 post remaining in which you will resolve all questions i have posed to you, or my vote will not move for the remainder of the day. That's a promise.

I may be exceptionally helpful and sum these up for you once more in a separate post, so you really have no excuse. In the meantime, i welcome any third party to take a side on this, it definitely warrants comment.

Oh and for the sake of argument:

Confirm Vote: SaintKerrigan

BM

[Battle Mage]

Sorry i didnt come good on my offer- i was distracted by two devious and seductive women. lol

let's see what we have here anyway:

My accusation of you regarding CSL was not vague in the least. You only quoted part of his post, and your quoted selection sounds very much different from what CSL actually said. I feel that kind of misrepresentation is scummy.

Wrong. I quoted selectively in order to emphasise my point, because in reading the whole thing, as i presumed (incorrectly?) you had done, you had failed to comprehend how it was OMGUS, or at least how i interpretted it as OMGUS. I was attempting to help you, rather than to mislead anyone.

My issue with you atm, is really that you keep making these woolly remarks, and then following them up with "I find this scummy" or similar, as if that is a satisfactory explanation, in and of itself. Moreover, it gives me the impression you are keen to "blow smoke" or "throw mud" or whatever you choose to call it, which is rarely conducive to good townsmanship, and is more frequently used by scum to fuel a mislynch.

CSL's statement, in its pure form, does not look like OMGUS to me.

That's your interpretation, and i guess OMGUS is always a matter of opinion. Your opinion is wrong, but you are of course welcome to maintain it.
I hope you can AT LEAST acknowledge where i was coming from. If you can't, then we may have a more serious issue.

As for why scum-BM would want to falsely accuse someone of OMGUS, I'm going to turn around and ask why scum-SK would want to falsely accuse someone of falsely accusing someone of OMGUS. It's the same sort of WIFOMy argument. Just as I don't think you're qualified to answer the WIFOM question I posed to you, I don't think I'm qualified to answer the WIFOM question you posed to me.

Haha, how dare you?? What gives you the right to say what i can and cannot answer?
You make an interesting point, and i WILL answer you.

My defence:
There is no reason for me to falsely accuse someone of OMGUS in this scenario for the following reasons:

A. Me lying assumes i am scum.
B. If i was scum, i would only lie when it benefitted me.
C. The only benefit for falsely accusing someone of OMGUS would be to get them lynched.

Now:

D. OMGUS is NOT a scumtell. Therefore your contingency is the equivalent of me claiming the sky is made of pizza. A lie that achieves nothing.
E. It was Day 1, Page 1 of the game. No lynch should be happening any time soon.
F. In the same post i make the accusation, i take my vote OFF CSL. This should be a fairly clear indication i was not attempting to attack him, merely commenting

factually

on his vote. You could even call IIoA if you want.
--------------------------------

My Attack:

You question the validity of my suspicion that you might falsely accuse me of falsely accusing someone of OMGUS.

The difference here is, whilst OMGUS is not a scumtell, falsely accusing someone (therefore, lying) IS. With your criticism of me, you are accusing me of something that is actually scummy, and therefore, could get me lynched, and definitely constitutes mud-slinging.

It is scummy that you are trying to suggest i am scummy when i am not.

I know the above looks a bit convoluted, but it's really quite simple. My behaviour towards CSL has no discernible scum motive, whereas your approach to me can be considered scummy.

You even do it again at the top of post 70.
And i find it incredibly amusing that you dont want to vote for me, despite constantly trying to argue my play is scummy. It's the DEFINITION of blowing smoke.

My vote wont be moving just now.

BM

[Battle Mage]

He truly believed an FoS couldn't be OMGUS, thus he is not strawmanning.

Alright Miss IC, please school me:

How is trying to portray someone as scummy at every turn, but not having the kahunas to vote for them, protown? It reeks of newbscum from where im sat...

BM

[Battle Mage]

You should know not to take everything i do seriously by now.

True, i've known for, what, 4 going on 5 years now.

Lol dont bring our history up into this. That is poor form!

What would you say to the suggestion of a massclaim?

I would say you're role fishing and that's scummy.

Ok cool.

BM

[Battle Mage]

See Haylen, that's why I can't get a read on you. The way you make mistakes makes me always think your town. It's the exact same way I would make mistakes.

If she does something that makes her seem town, and is exactly how you behave as town, then you do have a read on her. That read is town.
What games have you two played together?

BM

Hmm... I see now that I misspoke. I have never played with Haylen before. I have read many of her games though. I prefer to read games blind and see what I can find without knowing the roles before hand. I never was able to get a scum or anti-town read on Haylen. Well, that’s not quite true, a few times when she was town I thought she might be scum. Still, usually whether she was town, or scum, or SK, I thought she was just plain town. I told her that in a private message when I first joined.

We've talked a bit since then and she pointed out this game to me. So, this is our first game together.

Ok...as long as you remember she has a boyfriend. lol

BM

[Battle Mage]

@Pul - Reread and i don't really see your connection between Ani and SaintKerrigan. Wanna explain again?

As for Kdub, he has to pick someone to go for first. I think the question is not "why did he choose Ray?" but "was he over-eager to appease everyone else?"

I think we might need to re-start the RVS for the benefit of Kdub. Thoughts?

BM

[Battle Mage]

I think we might need to re-start the RVS for the benefit of Kdub. Thoughts?

It is anti-town to halt discussion, when we are right in the middle of it. It would hinder the town and thus is an ant-town to scummy move.

Unvote. Vote Battle Mage

Post more.

Unvote, Random Vote: Pul

Haylen, read yourself in iso. It's kinda hilarious.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I disagree with doing a random vote section, but honestly don't care much. My view is that it exists to start conversation, and conversation has been started. but if people don't like the conversation and don't feel it is getting anywhere, and if the game is not in LyLo then they can feel free to random vote.

I was wondering BM, why did you vote me in your second post rather than your first?

Well i'm glad at least one person sees where i'm coming from! lol
It's not so much that i dont like the conversation, but more that we havent got enough to work with from the RVS we had, and when i made my post, the game had somewhat stagnated. Further, i think the best approach to this game might be process of elimination- deducing who is likely to be protown, and then lynching based on that.

I won't be explaining my vote on you atm, as it looks like i might be lynched today, and it wouldnt be worthwhile. What i will say is, i think i've narrowed down the potential scumbags to 3 players. But i'll see how that shapes up as the day continues. My vote stands, but i'm afraid you're going to have to give me the benefit of the doubt for now.

BM, why are you ignoring questions?

Still more jokes and no content from Ray. I like my vote where it is.

Kdub, what questions have i ignored?

RayFrost: I don't like your argument on CSL. I don't agree with it. Also the reason for voting BM may nto be the strongest, but it is a reason. That the two people voting BM are the two I am most sure are town lends credence to their argument.

Do you believe that it is more likely for a townie to attack a scumbag than another townie?

Your approach here is very dangerous. Whilst believing 2 people are town may lend credence to their argument in the sense that they are less likely to be running someone up (and statistically, this is untrue anyway ), how much more valid does it make the argument which, at the end of the day, is absolute regurgitated trash?

As for me, well someone has to ask questions, and you aren't doing anything. Kdubs is stepping up surprisingly well. He's definitely changed my read on that spot. I was getting pretty sure that that spot was scum, now I'm honestly leaning towards town. I guess we'll see as we go.

Rayfrost is coming over very protown to me. Kdub is doing what Kdub would do regardless of affiliation. Whether he is a better player than SaintKerrigan or not, doesnt mean anything to me. If you want to explain why you feel Kdub is TOWN, please do so.

And i've changed my mind.

Unvote, Vote: Animorpherv

Post 127 looks like a prelude to a hammer, despite me not being at -1. Dunno why the heck you guys are all panicking, Ray unvoted ages ago. lol
Though i guess the Mod should fix the votecount.

More pending.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Still halting discussion. You

pretty much

earned my vote right there.

Unvote; Vote: Battle Mage

(The unvote was added to reduce the chances of a mod headache. )

Italics: Pretty much? You don't sound all that sure.

As for halting discussion...really CSL? REALLY? I cant really stomach that argument from someone who participates as prolifically as you. In light of the fact there was no discussion to halt, especially from your corner, do you have anything further to add?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Unvote

I don't like players being at L-1 during this stage of the game. I don't like the lack explaining CSL used when he put BM at L-1. In my opinion, if you put someone at L-1, you truly believe they are scum and want them lynched. This is to prevent simulposts and an intentional L-1 vote actually being a hammer.

*shrug* you put me at L-2, as did CSL. I don't see how he is any more accountable than you. Furthermore, that's the second time you've got incredibly edgy at someone being at -1, yet you havent gone as far as to stop recklessly voting. This all seems too townie imo...

As for CSL's explanation, he said the exact same thing as you! He has been riding your coat-tails all game. Did you do as i said, and read ur posts in isolation? You definitely have some explaining to do, young lady.

BM

[Battle Mage]

As for halting discussion...really CSL? REALLY?

That's hilarious when i imagine you speaking in your real voice

lol now everyone here probably thinks i have some sort of robot voice. Great.

BM

[Battle Mage]

internet just swallowed my post. I am F***ING FURIOUS!!

Will try and rehash it now. Bloody americans screwing with my shitty connection... lol

BM

[Battle Mage]

oh, it likes THAT one. -.-

Ding ding, round 2.

BM, why are you ignoring questions?

Still more jokes and no content from Ray. I like my vote where it is.

Kdub, what questions have i ignored?

What would restarting the RVS accomplish?

I already answered this. At the time, conversation was stagnating, and it seemed we needed more data to go on. An added bonus was CSL and Haylen coming out of the woodwork with old "OMG, RVS IS ANTI-TOWN" type comments, but the real benefit would be to compare old RVS voting patterns with new ones.

Do you agree/disagree with my opinion of Ray?

Disagree.

Do you believe that it is more likely for a townie to attack a scumbag than another townie?

Your approach here is very dangerous. Whilst believing 2 people are town may lend credence to their argument in the sense that they are less likely to be running someone up (and statistically, this is untrue anyway ), how much more valid does it make the argument which, at the end of the day, is absolute regurgitated trash?

Not particularly, or else I would have voted you. What I think is that two people I believe are town voting for the same person means that they aren't just trying to stockpile votes on a random person. Mafia I feel want people to stockpile on someone without reason. By two people I think are town voting you it means that they probably see a reason. I don't see what they do, but it doesn't mean that I write it off.

I'm with you until the last sentence. What do you do if you do not "write it off"?

Rayfrost is coming over very protown to me. Kdub is doing what Kdub would do regardless of affiliation. Whether he is a better player than SaintKerrigan or not, doesnt mean anything to me. If you want to explain why you feel Kdub is TOWN, please do so.

Let me try then.
Well, I guess I liked how he answered my questions. I also liked how you answered them.
I liked that he asked me a questions (which I forgot to answer)
And I like that I understand his reason for voting Ray even if I don't agreee with it just yet.

ok.

I guess I need to look at Haylen's thoughts in isolation. I also didn't notice CSL following Haylen around. Still I'm sure CSL is Town, and Haylen I'm pretty positive about.

If you had to lynch one right now, who would you pick?

BM

[Battle Mage]

I give this claim 9/10. The content is good, but it's shorter than usual. ~ Maemuki

Glad to see someone appreciates the pure genius that is Haylen

This.

Haylen, do you believe that this is an example of CSL "agreeing with your viewpoints". It reeks of buddying up. What does your meta say to that?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ok, i get ya.

Unvote, Vote: Haylen

BM

[Battle Mage]

@BM, If I wanted to hammer, I would've.

I was never at L-1. So, you wouldnt have.

[Battle Mage]

I am not aware of my meta, BM, I know I intentionally buddied SpyreX in Lover's Mafia

when I was town

and Zachrulez in Newbie 859

when I was town

and Talitha in my first game

when I was town

.

The thing those three had in common where that they were scum. If you don't believe me go check them out.

...I don't think I understand the concept of buddying, heh...

*blank stare*

Your meta of CSL.

My vote stands.

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM:
Why do you think Ray is town? Is it a gut read or do you think he has been contributing in a positive manner?

He's been contributing in a way i consider protown. I can elaborate more if needed. Personally, i think it's odd that you are so tunnelled on Ray. It's ok to cast the net wide you know! No consistency points on Day 1.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Sorry all, had alot on my plate lately- yes, including Amsterdam. lol

Lots to catch up on, so please gimme a day, and you'll know where i am.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ug so many people posted before I got mine off.

BTW Ray: CSL is town. move your vote and you may be correct, but CSL is town.

...

how thah fook is CSL town?

Whatever, always best to come out day 1 with it anyway. Not like I was hiding it really, just waiting for BM.

CSL is my DayMason Partner. For two mafia to CC us they would instantly lose. IF we were Mafia we would lose based the real Masons CCing us. Thus CSL is town.


In a 7 person game like this waiting until day 2 can lead to confusion and the wrong team can be taken as scum. Also if one of the Masons was NKed then only one scum would be needed to say they were mason and it wouldn't risk the team.

This. is. poor.

Basically, the concept of finding scum by finding town and then PoE was based on the premise you slipped early on that you were a mason, and i didnt think it was likely you were faking it. For a fair time, i thought Haylen was your partner, so i gave you two the benefit of the doubt. However, when CSL got a mention, i had to check with you if i had been right, and i hadn't. My vote on you was an attempt to smoke out some opportunistic scumbag into voting you, then being forced elsewhere when you were declared town.

However claiming yesterday was completely unnecessary- i was well aware who the 2 masons were, and had you been killed, you had breadcrumbed well enough for CSL to be confirmed. The same can be said if CSL had died, to a lesser extent.

Ah well, what's done is done. I'm at least impressed that you managed to completely suss out my game. For that, all is forgiven.

More to come when i get to uni.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Lots of action since I last checked in.

BM, I think you should explain your earlier Ray read a bit more. I didn't see much in the way of positive contribution, but to be fair, he has stepped it up a bit the last couple pages.

Lol, positive contribution is not necessarily indicative of alignment. The vibe i got from Ray in the early goings, was that he didnt really care what people thought of him. That's a reasonable towntell.

my opinion of pulindar is that he fails.

same for CSL, but for different reasons.

unvote

as I decide who I think is scum.

want BM to explain how he figured out that CSL was town.

Pulindar-mason claimed CSL was the player most likely to be town, therefore CSL was his mason partner.

Are you trying to tell me you hadnt worked this out yourself?

BM

[Battle Mage]

rayfrost has been under heat from both Haylen and Kdub. Bussing likely, but who is the partner?
Haylens hammer was scummy. I dont like the way she's discounted me as town based on a dubious read either.
Kdub was previously SaintKerrigan...speaks for itself.

The argument between Haylen and Ray over the meta of Saintkerrigan is hilariously contrived. The same is true of the exchange at the top of Page 9. This distancing was initiated by Ray on both occassions.

Kdub on the other hand, was quick to declare today his top 2 suspects, leaving little room for manoevre.

Haylen - Can you please elaborate on why you think i am town?
Ray - Who is Haylen's scumchum?

BM

[Battle Mage]

lolnoiamnotbeingbussedbecauseiamtown.

So you're claiming town? Well, i guess that must be true then...

How is it 'hilariously contrived' ma cherie?

As i recall, you criticised Haylen's meta, on the grounds that it only consisted of one game, which doesnt provide the best base for comparison. You made a bit of a song and dance over this, when, in my mind, it didnt even warrant a brief comment. Then, in demonstration, you offered a meta that consisted of several unreferenced examples. Is that right? Irrespective, the manner in which you bickered over the validity of each other's metas which was so inconsequential, but tried to make it seem like an argument, leads me to believe you may be scumbuddies.

Also, it can't be distancing unless I'm scum with haylen.

Obviously, but that is the supposition i was making. Why are you playing dumb?

Which makes no sense if both she and myself are attacking each other in this situation, as it would have been simpler to try to get a townie lynched.

No, i've already hypothesised what you would hope to achieve- you argue over something inconsequential so you are not explicitly regarded as buddies by an optimistic town, but DONT have to lynch each other based on it. It's a pretty textbook scum play.

You also answer your rhetorical questoin at the first line of your post by saying 'omfg, hayl and ray are distancing' without really saying how it's obv distancing or obv contrived.

Is there a problem now i've exhibited more coherently one of the incidents? I think i mentioned another, which i can go into detail on if needed. I might've been away, but train of thought analysis is still how i roll.

Just a point of information- you might fare better here if you bring something to the table, rather than try and deny what is plain to see in the thread. Certainly, if you are town, that's the approach you need to take.

you seem to fall apart when it comes to logic as scum, BM. unless you are town, in which case you are failing anyway.

Or alternatively, can you link me to another game where you have played the typical "jerk" role and been town? Originally i was reading you as town because you dont appear concerned what people think, but on reflection, this is nothing like your demeanour in the large normal we played...

you haven't come up with any case to say I'm scum, but you've already stated that I am because two people are attacking me (wow, amazing, it's like town can't be attacked by people!).

Look at the mechanic of the game, sunshine. It's a given that Pul is town, and i know i am town. That leaves you, Haylen and Kdub. Kdub has already cited you 2 as a scumpair, which seems an unlikely approach for scum to take, when it's LyLo, unless he intended on bussing a buddy today and going to a 3 person endgame.

If i had been sold on you as a lynch, i would have said so. But the more i think about it, the more it makes sense. If you have an alternative scumpair in mind, shoot.

you've said the arguments between haylen and myself are obv contrived but haven't gone into the detail of how so.

I have, out of courtesy to you, rather than clarity for others. Everyone here is capable of reading and forming their own judgements. I'm not out to persuade anyone of anything i'm not sure of.

and then you contrast the 'obv contrived' arguments with 'kdub declared his suspects!' as reasoning to seemingly dismiss him from being the busser.

I havent dismissed him, but if i was a betting man, i'd be putting my money on you and Haylen right now. Note that, in contrast to Kdub, you have explicitly declined to name your suspects, presumably so others can weigh in first, and you know how best to save your sorry ass? Haha

I'd be fine and happy if you had bothered, y'know, putting one up, but I

hate

letting people do what you are doing (hint: imply somebody is scum cuz you don't have the balls to just come the fook out and say it).

Hi, my name is BM. You obviously havent met me yet, because if you had, you'd know how i operate. *shrug* you want it, you got it: I think you are scum. Don't be sore about it.

I'm uncertain of my haylen-scum read what with your most recent post.

Care to elaborate? And your judgement on a scumpair that isn't me and Kdub, would be appreciated.

Hugs and kisses,

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM I understand that you feel the Hammer was scummy, but I still feel Haylen is town, can you explain more why you think she is scum?

It's not the hammer itself, so much as the prelude, which you guys pointed out at the time. She seemed overly keen to get approval before dropping it.

BM:
I agree with the Ray-Haylen argument at the top of page 9, but if you thought their earlier argument over SK's meta was contrived, why didn't you call them on it earlier?

It seemed like such a pathetic argument, that i didnt even feel it was significant enough to mention. However, with a potential scumpair in mind, it certainly piques my interest.

BM, I believe you are town based on meta. However, I your trying to determine who was the masons rubs me up the wrong way. Shouldn't you be hunting scum rather than town? (that's hypocritical of me. I try to find town before i find before I look for scum) However, it doesnt not seem to me as something you would do as town :/

I was up front about this approach from an early stage- about when i realised i could rule out 2 players and work from there.

Kdub's meta fits with mine. Ray, the game we shared wasnt all that long ago, and your play there, i found discernibly scummy at times. You were brazen and outspoken- and everything you arent here. You were town then, and your play here is completely incomprehensible. Why would you give up as town, in LyLo? If you felt someone is scum, even on gut, you could still TRY- there is always a case out there. Or you could try explaining why some people are town. I cant even consider the possibility you would play like this as town. And to be perfectly honest, there is no way we can not lynch you today- i'm sure as hell not letting you cruise to victory with THAT! 0.o

I'll be voting Ray today, but first i think we need to reach a consensus on his most likely partner.

BM

[Battle Mage]

easy way to find my partner - look at who I'm distancing from.

I distance from my partner in 90% of my games as mafia.

^.^

= Haylen? lol

BM

[Battle Mage]

well, if you're gonna be a jerk about it...

Vote: RayFrost

BM

[Battle Mage]

you
are
f**king
kidding
me
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BM

[Battle Mage]

Ray, if you flip town, i am gonna be seriously peed off...

BM

[Battle Mage]

well, if you're gonna be a jerk about it...

Vote: RayFrost

BM

also, jerkiness = scum??????

dude, what do you expect? If you werent going to play, you have to be lynched, simply because nobody wants to lose to lurker-scum/scum who arent even trying. I guess i misread Kdub and Haylen's approach to you as beng a scumtell, so sorry about that.

Coming back to MS to get beat by Haylen? That really sucks. lol
But Kdub played a pretty good game, in fairness to him. Nice win...

BM

[Battle Mage]

Coming back to MS to get beat by Haylen? That really sucks. lol

Thanks, Bro, thanks .__.

well, repeated beatings at your hands were the reason i left, after all.

BM

[Battle Mage]

So either BM and Haylen were scum and we just lost, or Haylen is trying some crazy gambit (as either town or scum).

I'll wait for the mod to confirm before I try to delve into the WIFOM. -_-

Dont spoil our fun! lol

In all seriousness, this was a pretty good game. Ray, my serious advice to you, would obviously be to take a break if you're getting burnt out. When we first met, you were a seriously good player, and this game, you really werent cooking on gas. Have a kit-kat and come back in a few months, for a game or 2, and work from there.

Pul, despite the ending, you did impress me greatly, and definitely get MVP in my book. Yes, your gut reads werent the finest, but you were absolutely reading the game, and sussed out almost the exact message i was trying to portray concerning your masonship. I look forward to playing another game with you sometime-i like having someone who's on my wavelength lol.

Kdub, again, not really alot else you could do. Ani was lynchbait, as was Ray in the end. You didnt really do much wrong, imo.

Haylen. Nice job. lol
A couple times back there, the mask slipped a bit, but it was never in doubt, was it? haha

fun game to come back to. Thanks to all, Mae included.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Coming back to MS to get beat by Haylen? That really sucks. lol

Thanks, Bro, thanks .__.

well, repeated beatings at your hands were the reason i left, after all.

BM

Really, when did i beat you?

that tiny game where u were in a scumpair, and you ran me up as town? -.- that one stung.

Haylen is trying some crazy gambit (as either town or scum).

My gambits have only ever worked once Thanks Kdub for ruining my trying to draw out the other mafia member >.> Of course, if im wrong here and it is Kdub/BM scumteam, then good god, i better stop doing dangerous things in lylo

if it was a Kdub/BM scumteam, youd already have lost, duh.

BM

*299 says we still got it.

[Battle Mage]

BM!

My play has devolved to a level in which I fail epically.

So yeah.

haha no hard feelings bud- i was gonna mess around a bit more, much to my partners distaste, however you looked like you might be getting a second wind, so i had to cut you off at the knees.

Give mafia a rest for a while, and come back. You arent a worse player- you just dont have the enthusiasm for it like you used to. And once you face 2-3 months of the real world, with no mafia-based escapism, you'll soon be back in the zone.

BM

[Battle Mage]

@ Ray - you'll have a long wait! lol

haha, that song should clearly be "Worried about Ray" lmao

also, Haylen, what are you talking about? You're the one who spotted Pul's slip! lol
I just followed up on it by fishing relentlessly for his partner.

BM

[Battle Mage]

So just before you guys quickhammered Ray, I was about to make a post saying I was sure Ray was scum because you two would have quickhammered if he wasn't .

At least my meta read of Haylen was accurate. I couldn't read BM

again

. His play seems extremely consistent and pro-town from game to game, regardless of alignment.

Just curious, why did you guys kill CSL? Was it because Pul was on the wrong trail?

Lol yeh, i wanted to milk it too, but best to secure the victory. Haylen wanted to hammer, and i wanted to stay off wagon, for the moral victory of not being on either mislynch lol.

We were a bit conflicted between the two, and even considered killing Ray at one point. I asked Haylen if she felt sure that CSL would continue to buddy with her, and she wasnt, whereas i felt sure that Pul was a hardy enough player to stick to his read on me as long as i didnt screw up too badly. Plus i like Pul.

BM

[Battle Mage]

lol Mae, we're all GMT too. Don't be such a GIRL. lol

BM