Lets wagon him. It worked really well last game
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Policy lynching/vigging is actually really townieKairyuu wrote:vote: Parama
Policy lynching is, in and of itself, scummy.
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The reason you policy lynch someone is because if they remain in the game they will damage the town either by making the game a hostile environment, or playing so poorly that they decrease the town chance of winning directly. They are players that by having a town role actually decrease the towns chances of winning.
People like Mastin are people you policy lynch. You saw what went down in the death note game, he just went into his normal think, and town got rocked for it. Scum was able to control seconday suspects with ease and came out looking pro-town with a handful of mislynches all lined up. People like that just get lynched, and scum exploit it perfectly if they know what they are doing.
If you want to go into auxillary benifits, scum really cant PR hunt, policy vigs get to happen, and the town functions as a more cohesive unit. I actually only have a few people I support a policy lynch of, none of who are in this game and I think have all left the site, but at times, its the best move possible, if for nothing else then to catch scum in a situation where they arent quite sure what to do.
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If SSK is scum, ani is not- LlamaFluff
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Hell...
If breaking it does not get you modkilled, break it now. Its easier for everyone involved if you do. Especially those of us who have never taken anything in french before.
It *should* be obvious why I made those connections. You "having" a PR that makes you speak in french though lessens my connection, but I still think its there.
Also I dont think either of you are scum, I just realized if you guys are, the other are not.
Last chance though, are you lying about the PR? IIRC you have before, if you are here and its ever proven, we are lynching you.- LlamaFluff
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Making 100% sure
You dont get out of doing stuff though. Quote the post, and quote one of these things when you are doing something
This post contridicts - this post
This post is reaching
This post is a fallacy
This post gives gut scum feeling
This vote is bad because
-Does not match past reasoning
-Is bad wagoning
-Uses bad logic
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Results in a mislynch usually that again scum can work into a plus for them. If you rush out with a policy lynch, scum are thrown offbalance and stutter a bit. I need to find the game where we almost policy lynched Nat (one of the three I support it of), one scum I was on for what they did surrounding that, and another was acting really oddly.Kairyuu wrote:@LlamaFluff: Alternately, you can just lynch those people for other reasons than policy to force the people involved to actually take a stance on WHY they want the person lynched. Personally I consider that to be a much more effective way of getting rid of the people who would normally fall under the policy lynch category.- LlamaFluff
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Still happened, he still is the best example of play that needs to be policy lynched too.MafiaSSK wrote:
Nat, était une personne unique, en particulier en ce qui concerne le lynchage politique.LlamaFluff wrote:
Results in a mislynch usually that again scum can work into a plus for them. If you rush out with a policy lynch, scum are thrown offbalance and stutter a bit. I need to find the game where we almost policy lynched Nat (one of the three I support it of), one scum I was on for what they did surrounding that, and another was acting really oddly.Kairyuu wrote:@LlamaFluff: Alternately, you can just lynch those people for other reasons than policy to force the people involved to actually take a stance on WHY they want the person lynched. Personally I consider that to be a much more effective way of getting rid of the people who would normally fall under the policy lynch category.- LlamaFluff
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This is really damn annoying
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Do you get modkilled if you break your PR?
Do you get a warning if you break your PR?
What is the warning if one exists?
What is your role name?
What is the flavor behind your role?
Are there any limitations on quoting?
@SSK - Do not answer any of these untill tubby does.
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If you are caught up, who do you think is scummy?sykedoc wrote:Unvote Kairyuu
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No one gets to be funny over PRs. Infact, everyone need to say if they have one or not in their next post. I do not have a post restriction. Yes fun is a part of the game, but fun that hurts the town is not a part of the game.- LlamaFluff
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This is not important at this stage of the gameDocPotter wrote:SSK, Tubby. Out of interest are you two in a quick chat of any sort and if so do your Post Restriction still aply?
This is not something to be discussed at this point of the game.Ani. Is some mechanism that you can confirm or deny the restrictions? (Besides the obvious getting someone flipped) I'm not fussed what it is, just if there is one.
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because no one else is stepping up and getting done what needs to be done.Pomegranate wrote:Not that it's a bad thing, but why is Llama in charge?
Restrictions hurt the town, if such a role exists that can eliminate them, they will do so without having to be outed, hence part of my reason for the mass restriction claim. I want it out so if there are multiple hard to understand ones, a curer can pick and choose on a sliding scale of potential usefulness of the player and comprehensibility of the PR.My Milked Eek wrote:If ani can confirm either of the two having a pr, I don't see the harm in asking him. he's the one that brought it up in the first place.
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Answer the same questions that I gave to SSK/tubby in your next postace5993 wrote:LMAAOA fitsr offf lal i 2tso have a psto restifdpoijsdoin, nadnd seoncd of iall i dnot half tmiee too trnastelate aythung yet btu i wliil two taht twomorrro!1!!!! This ias jstu bsaiellly sasayging im heer>!!>!!>?? o ADNVote: ParamaPOLISSEE LINCH LOLLOLOOOLOLOLOLOLL
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You have zero reads?sykedoc wrote:At this point nobody has solidified themselves as scum or town yet.- LlamaFluff
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Oh and if one of tubby/SSK are completely faking the PR, its tubby. Im thinking they both really have the PR though.
So no one (ace/fishy) can delay posting
Do you get modkilled if you break your PR?
Do you get a warning if you break your PR?
What is your role name?
What is the flavor behind your role?
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So what, you arent going to do anything today then? If you are better after day one you should just replace into games.sykedoc wrote:
I've found that many of my first day leads are completely negated by day 2.LlamaFluff wrote:
You have zero reads?sykedoc wrote:At this point nobody has solidified themselves as scum or town yet.
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Yes its portugese, now please answer my questionsykedoc wrote:
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Well I was hoping that wasnt the answersykedoc wrote:If its absolutely necessary I can give you first day reads. But I've found that often, peoples reads on day 1 lead to villagers getting killed for stupid reasons.
You are either going to scumhunt or be the D1 lynch. You can not have zero reads on anyone at this point in the game. What you are saying basically is pre-emptively giving reasoning for a mislynch because 'you arent good with D1 reads' and 'they will change D2'.
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Duly noted, vote stayssykedoc wrote:
It will not end well if you crusade against me.LlamaFluff wrote:
Well I was hoping that wasnt the answersykedoc wrote:If its absolutely necessary I can give you first day reads. But I've found that often, peoples reads on day 1 lead to villagers getting killed for stupid reasons.
You are either going to scumhunt or be the D1 lynch. You can not have zero reads on anyone at this point in the game. What you are saying basically is pre-emptively giving reasoning for a mislynch because 'you arent good with D1 reads' and 'they will change D2'.
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You know, here is even a huge jumping off point for you. Apparently one of the PR people are scum, which one? Even if 'you dont know much yet' or anything like that which is keeping you from contributing, make an educated guess, even if its just one line of one post.sykedoc wrote:
Honestly, I don't. My theory having been in B-Mod games before is... its highly likely at least ONE person with a PR is mafia.LlamaFluff wrote:
If you are caught up, who do you think is scummy?sykedoc wrote:Unvote Kairyuu
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nope, its a 'be helpful and scumhunt or die' ultimatumsykedoc wrote:I find it stupid reasoning to vote for someone because their policies do not agree with yours.
You're essentially saying: I don't like the way you play, so I'm voting for you.
A read means that you think Player A is more X then player B for point Y or line Z. Just about every post for me does something for a read, there are actually a few people that are slightly scummy to me already and I wouldnt mind wagoning up a bit.And yeah, I can have zero reads. It depends on your definition of a read.
I believe a read is a valid suspicion. I have none to this point. Anything I do have is based off something i do not consider substantial.
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So its a sort of confirmation bias or something then? I know its WIFOM but man, its wrong. Mod could of though 'hey maybe I can make a bunch of town PRs and someone will try and lynch them because one "must" be scum'sykedoc wrote:Well I've been in 2 or 3 games with a bunch of PRs and I've helped run one. In each there was a mafia with a PR. Its just the odds that the mod wont just give PRs to town.
Only one that I have any suspicion of being made up is ace. The others are quite obviously real, tubby/SSK especially.Theres also a possibility that one of them is made up.
Nope, they are both real.We have someone talking in french and one in Portugese. It is possibly that one of these is fake.
So NOTHING that ANYONE has said made you think "this doesnt sound quite right?"The others haven't given me reason to suspect them yet. I was throwing that idea out there on basis of personal experience but I haven't seen suspicious enough behavior from them to say that they look scummy beyond what I said above about the possibility of a fake PR.
I did, im still not going to stop trying to force you to do something though.sykedoc wrote:
It wasn't a threat. Think hard about why I may have said that.LlamaFluff wrote: Threats dont work well hun. Try scumhunting, that works wonders
HAHAHAHHAHA you have to be kidding that everything is scummy D1. Its usually more of the opposite to me, I come out with a few super strong town reads, then a bunch of middling people and a few I think are scum. Context D1 is more in implications and moves that make little sense either logically or with what the player had been acting on earlier.sykedoc wrote:
The problem here is just about everything is scummy on D1. Actions without context don't do a lot for me. Im not one of these people who believes all policy lynching is town-like or that white knighting is town like.LlamaFluff wrote: A read means that you think Player A is more X then player B for point Y or line Z. Just about every post for me does something for a read, there are actually a few people that are slightly scummy to me already and I wouldnt mind wagoning up a bit.- LlamaFluff
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Of course it can, but multiple people having PRs doesnt mean one has to be scumsykedoc wrote:
And you don't think it could be the other way around?So its a sort of confirmation bias or something then? I know its WIFOM but man, its wrong. Mod could of though 'hey maybe I can make a bunch of town PRs and someone will try and lynch them because one "must" be scum'
SSK gets points for opening with the PR first, tubby for following it up before it was obvious what we were going to do with SSK. Also for not being timid at all about flavor.
What makes a PR real in a game where its obvious people will have them? I've seen people make up PRs to distract people. What is "obvious" about it. You never said that, you only said it was. Also why is a language post restriction more or less valid than a color one? This seems like a very closed thought.Only one that I have any suspicion of being made up is ace. The others are quite obviously real, tubby/SSK especially.
Color was just wierd, and not one that really has a reason to fake unless people will assume all PRs are town.
We must have a different definition of white knighting. Im going to make something happen though, especially if no one else will.
Really, no. It seems very par for the course for D1. I dont see anything that directly makes me think "he's scum!". Personally I've seen people White Knight more times than I can count and end up scum, but again this is a personal bias. I don't think this assures scum.So NOTHING that ANYONE has said made you think "this doesnt sound quite right?"
Ok see, you aparently have reads on that list, so what does it take for you to vote on one of them?I copied this off of notepad... so.. not every one is filled in. Take with a grain of salt.
I actually feel like im getting somewhere with this, but I need to get sleep now, and have classes untill two tomorrow.
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Why would this ever be useful for us right now? It actually is something best kept hidden for obvious reasons if you stop and think about it. Pushing for the reveal because it would be 'funny' ignores all the downsides.DocPotter wrote:
Perhaps not. To be honest I never expected there would be, but by god it would be funny. But the answer was non.LlamaFluff wrote:
This is not important at this stage of the gameDocPotter wrote:SSK, Tubby. Out of interest are you two in a quick chat of any sort and if so do your Post Restriction still aply?
I disagree majorly. If ani has any power connected to PRs that confirm/cure/etc them, he will use them correctly, I trust him to at least do that much. What you are doing stands to out his power, if he has one, and lets scum gauge how much of a threat he is better.
Actually I would think this is reasonable to ask. Ani could always refuse to answer. He did start right out asking about post restricted players, saying that it was important to his role if I remember correctly, so it is fair to ask if he has some way to confirm or deny them. After all if any of the Post Restricted players are scum Ani has already painted a target on himself. Answering my question, or even me asking that question of him, wont make that target any worse.
This is not something to be discussed at this point of the game.Ani. Is some mechanism that you can confirm or deny the restrictions? (Besides the obvious getting someone flipped) I'm not fussed what it is, just if there is one.
Why would you think that either of those should be out in the open?
I dont like how he has played the role, holding his cards tight untill he saw people post once looks like a better way to approach this, but what you want him to do is much worse
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Apeasing a dominant force is a smart tell. Anyways, I got what I wanted out of him. He gave some reads, and just is one of those playstyles (that really bugs me) who never votes.Anon wrote:- Refusing to give opinions but when pressured by Llama, ta-dá, a full list of opinions magically emerge of notepad. Guess you didnt want to get fluff angry.
- Overreacting to 5 votes. Really?FoS Anon
Overreacting is not a scumtell. Saying someone is overreacting is a scumtell.
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Me saying a wagon sucks make you get off it? Awesome.DocPotter wrote:
Seriously, most of the 'heat' I seem to attract lately is due to me overreacting.LlamaFluff wrote:
Overreacting is not a scumtell.
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I still have a scummy feel from the skyedoc wagon and I honestly thought it was sky himself.
Just have to take a third look.
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Stop lurking. You have been on site and my questions are really easy to answer if you arent faking a PR- LlamaFluff
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Figured it out soonDocPotter wrote:No Kyle I didn't. Try reading it again. I said I found something scummy about the wagon, and thought it was Skye. I still think it's a scummy wagon and am not sure if it's the wagoners or the target since Llama made some good points concerning it.
What point are you trying to make here? Im just reading 'deflection deflection appeal to athority deflection'Do I need to point out that Llama voted Skye as well at one stage?
Bandwagoning when done right is great for the town. This is being done right.Whereas you and Nul appear to be wagon jumping pure and simple.- LlamaFluff
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Yeah that the borderline appeal to athority thing. It seems like you are using me doing something to justify you doing it.DocPotter wrote:My point? Well if you found reason to vote Skye, is it unreasonable to assume that I did.
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*glee*
PR people are using my (patent pending) quick-quotes
Why is the vote bad? This is also a little indecisive. You say he is newb, maybe newbscum, but newb, but his last post was scummy. What is it if you had to guess here? Is he scum or town?Parama wrote:
Nul's coming off as a newb more than anything to me. Not that that means he isn't newbscum, just that his actions are more newbie mistakes than anything. He is coming off as rather scummy, especially the recent DocPotter wagon vote, I will admit.sykedoc wrote:
Im sorry Nul, you just wreak ofNul wrote:vote: docpotter
for all the reasons stated before hand
i gues this is what you call jumping on a wagonscum.newb
Again, wishy-washy. Is he scum or town? Why?Both Kyle only posted again once they were called out for lurking, and both posted pretty close together as well with a vote for the same person... my scumdar beeped at both of these things. But then again I know how kyle plays regardless of his alignment so this isn't too surprising of a response from him
Yeah I missed yours, should I be suspecting you too? This really is confusing... it might be one of the only times that I have had someone say "hey why didnt you think I was scummy?"
Then why didn't you FoS me, since I was the one calling out syke for overreacting first? (yeah you probably missed my post but still <_<)LlamaFluff wrote:- Overreacting to 5 votes. Really?FoS Anon
Overreacting is not a scumtell. Saying someone is overreacting is a scumtell.
Are you scum and wanted me to point out that I was ignoring you so should be lynched if you are scum? I guess if its what you want...
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-"overreacting" tell
-Inability to take stances
Is DP scum? Why?
Is SD scum? Why?
Is kyle scum? Why?
Is Nul scum? Why?
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To me white knighting is overselling your role in a scum lynch. Like someone who joined a wagon who had a little bit of steam, then made it sound like they were the main reason the lynch happened.
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No. Its a subjective tell, therefore a really bad tell as no one will apply it the same way. Town doesnt want to be lynched, scum doesnt want to be lynched, everyone will defend themselves as much as possible as completely as possible.Anon wrote:
Scumbags are more likely to overreact to a nonexistent pressure because they are paranoid of being supected/lynched. So yeah, its a scumtell.llama wrote:Overreacting is not a scumtell. Saying someone is overreacting is a scumtell.
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Yes I can, also any bandwagon is a good bandwagon. Information is invaluable. Too many new players seem to not understand how good it is to just have some wierd blatant wagon.Anon wrote:Llama, can you concise your case on docpotter? What are the scumtells you are using to suspect him? What do you think of the bandwagon formed against him?
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There is some really hard fishing for supplemental or related roles two the language PRs. He wants to know if they have a QT (amazingly important from where im standing), and he wants to know what the interaction between ani and the PRs.
All of this does nothing for the town, and reveals if the roles that will have a hard time communicating are worth keeping around or not. The pushing for information on someone who does NOT have a PR is even more scummy. If a player is asking about PRs, and finds them, regardless of the reason its safe to assume that they know what to do with the information. Later in the game when it becomes reasonable, it will be answered. Untill then, it shoulnt be answered.
Later he goes into wierdness over the SD wagon. Process goes SD vote as "something about the wagon is scummy", to backing off because he wants to take another look as it might of been the wagon, not SD thats scummy (hey you can add fence-sitting with that). Reitterating that he voted early and says pressure from me amungs others made him back off. To defending the SD vote because "llama voted him at one point".
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Given that this has been confirmed in the negative...DocPotter wrote:Llama, why would it be important if they have a QT or not?
These types of PRs are detremental given how they hinder communication from the players to the rest of the town. If they were able to talk to anyone at night (QT) it might not be PRed. If for any reason they were able to freely communicate between eachother (or others), they would become much stronger, and less of a hinderence for the town as information passes easier.
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I do as long as it doesnt last for pages...sykedoc wrote:
I know that's what my previous post was for. Like I said nobody likes Walls O' Text.Amished wrote: Syke, Star: Cut down the text. It's bad when I'm already starting to skim some of your "points".
We really should be getting DP into lynch range though. At the very least it forces everyone who is not taking a strong stance on him to do so. There are too many not doing so for a wagon at more then double any other.
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For RGPH to answerLlamaFluff wrote:Do you get modkilled if you break your PR?
Do you get a warning if you break your PR?
What is the warning if one exists?
What is your role name?
What is the flavor behind your role?
Are there any limitations on quoting?
Describe your PR in as much detail as possible
I call BS on this one though given the openendedness- LlamaFluff
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Answer the questions, look at your role, as questions to the mod if you need to in order to answer a few of them.RichardGHP wrote:
it's rghp not rgph n00bLlamaFluff wrote:
For RGPH to answerLlamaFluff wrote:Do you get modkilled if you break your PR?
Do you get a warning if you break your PR?
What is the warning if one exists?
What is your role name?
What is the flavor behind your role?
Are there any limitations on quoting?
Describe your PR in as much detail as possible
I call BS on this one though given the openendedness
uh i dun remebrem mcuh abiut mt roole btu i thik tere was somtehign abuot teh mods dreemz n how i haev too stop htem
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Forcing the PR to throw as much information as possible at us to start allows the greatest chance to catch someone who is just faking a PR to get away with suboptimal contribution. In the event of a PR that is hard to nail down (like ace) it makes a lot of sense to get to the bottom of it. "talk in french" is concrete. "talk in pink" is concrete. "talk like an ass" is not concrete, which makes it less likely to be true since its hard to enforce since people have different views of what that is.Amished wrote:ALSO: Why the FOOK are we worrying about post restrictions now that we know who has them? It's a great distraction for scum to look active WITHOUT SCUMHUNTING. Fooking look for scum or I park my vote on every single one of you.- LlamaFluff
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Busy week, multiple midterms, cheering section duties for game thursday... should be able to keep up on reading but maybe not posting much- LlamaFluff
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Answer the questions now. Last chanceRichardGHP wrote:
deud wat s yur plroamen jstu shhut teh fkcu upParama wrote:
I'm not a country, sorry.DocPotter wrote:Panama
And don't worry about kyle lurking. That's kinda why I wanted to policy lynch him. For him active lurking is a nulltell <_<
i wantt o h ammer if dp o rsky gtes to l1
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How about in your next post? Thats not as much of a request then a demand thoughRichardGHP wrote:2lama i cnatb e stufde wiht qeusoins atm soorry myabe latre- LlamaFluff
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Is your post restriction to post like you are drunk? If so I can point you to an identicle PR that handled it better.RichardGHP wrote:omg im sooooooooooo durnk amt mithg hvae ot rpleca tou lolololololololololloloolololololololololololololololololololololololololololol- LlamaFluff
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How to handle your drinks better
FL had the 'talk drunk' one there and was the perfect example of how to play it without pissing everyone off- LlamaFluff
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Time to move wagons
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Reasoning after midterm tomorrow + massive HW load- LlamaFluff
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Some major fence sitting here. Nul is more newb, but he could be scum, but more likely newb, but is coming off scummy. I dont think ive seen someone go back and forth that many times in two sentances. Then kyle is lurking, and scummy, but it a nulltell for him (out of interest, have you seen town-kyle?). Either way, he just sets up two players that he can go and throw a vote on at will.Parama wrote:Nul's coming off as a newb more than anything to me. Not that that means he isn't newbscum, just that his actions are more newbie mistakes than anything. He is coming off as rather scummy, especially the recent DocPotter wagon vote, I will admit.
Both Kyle only posted again once they were called out for lurking, and both posted pretty close together as well with a vote for the same person... my scumdar beeped at both of these things. But then again I know how kyle plays regardless of his alignment so this isn't too surprising of a response from him <_<
Why him over the other lurkers in the game? Why is his data vote bad? (hint it isnt)Parama wrote:Not posting very often [wolf], little content when posting, bad reason for voting Datadanne, wagoned DocPotter. Caught my eye with his early posting and I feel this guy is scum from what I've read.
lol what?Parama wrote:Why thank you. I'm glad you think that. Anyways I didn't post my full thoughts on him, just a brief summary. I also don't have the time to post full thoughts right now either. So be patient.
Anyways, I would support a DocPotter lynch. Points brought up by everybody else, and he seems to have given up, resorting to AtE in his most recent post. Wasn't sure about it when the wagon was first forming but his reactions reek of scum. Just not good at all.unvote, Vote: DocPotter. Still would like a wolf lynch but this one's just as good IMO.
He goes from wanting wolf lynched in part due to wagoning DP to wanting DP lynched, but still wanting wolf lynched... I know he says he wasnt sure at first, but this is a sub 24-hour turnaround
Look at all this stuff on SD-DP. He has just lined up to lynch either of them based on presented information regardless of what either of them flip. Stunning really.Parama wrote:However, DocPotter's vote on kyle doesn't make sense IMO. If Doc was scum I would think he'd find a good reason to jump on the syke wagon. But then again... syke was pretty reluctant to vote DocPotter. And he only switched after the Doc wagon lost momentum and was head towards him. I think we may have found a scumteam here. Syke's bussing his partner to save himself, whereas Doc doesn't want to vote his partner in fear of being called out for bussing. But if I look at it that way, then either decision would've gotten them called out... kinda WIFOM. But if any response would make them look scummy, that could mean they're both scum. Eh. There's some sort of logical fallacy in my argument it seems that's causing this problem. Can't be bothered to find it right now. If anyone figures out the problem I'd be glad to fix it and see what impact it has on this theory I've set up.
Oh and more reasoning to shuffle back to a SD lynchFor now, my vote stays. If both are scum, then I don't have any reason to switch from one to the other.
Just go read everything he has been saying about SD-DP and see if you cant reach the same conclusion. Nothing has been solid, everything has allowed him to just wander around between the wagons regardless of what happens for the rest of the game.- LlamaFluff
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I just dont understand what he was saying there, hoped it was because I was just tired but I still dont in the morning. Either of his or your interpretations I can buy. Still like Parama lynch better though, and still hate the SD wagonAmished wrote:Yeah, hell with superficialness.
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You are providing both sides of an arguement though and not coming to a clear and concise conclusion. Especially on Nul. You give a few lines that are saying he is town, and a few arguing he is scum. I dont see a final "I think Nul is X" though. Which is countered by....Parama wrote:
I said that his play is consistent with average newbie play, but that I'm not going to dismiss the possibility that he isn't scum just because of newbie play. And he comes off scummy because of the newbie-play that people find scummy. It's not going back and forth, it's presenting my read.LlamaFluff wrote:
Some major fence sitting here. Nul is more newb, but he could be scum, but more likely newb, but is coming off scummy. I dont think ive seen someone go back and forth that many times in two sentances. Then kyle is lurking, and scummy, but it a nulltell for him (out of interest, have you seen town-kyle?). Either way, he just sets up two players that he can go and throw a vote on at will.Parama wrote:Nul's coming off as a newb more than anything to me. Not that that means he isn't newbscum, just that his actions are more newbie mistakes than anything. He is coming off as rather scummy, especially the recent DocPotter wagon vote, I will admit.
Both Kyle only posted again once they were called out for lurking, and both posted pretty close together as well with a vote for the same person... my scumdar beeped at both of these things. But then again I know how kyle plays regardless of his alignment so this isn't too surprising of a response from him <_<
If you think they arent scum why are you giving reasons that they can be scum?Yes, I have seen town-kyle. In fact, in the very first game I played, which was offsite. He got wagoned pretty close to a lynch on D1 for similar play that I've seen out of him as scum.
And I could have voted them, but I didn't, and I haven't, because I do not feel they are scum. Of course, this might change at a later date.
... I really dont get you a lot of the time. Remind me to comment on this when the game is over.
It was because he was active lurking, not posting much and when he did post most of the time it wasn't saying much.LlamaFluff wrote:
Why him over the other lurkers in the game? Why is his data vote bad? (hint it isnt)Parama wrote:Not posting very often [wolf], little content when posting, bad reason for voting Datadanne, wagoned DocPotter. Caught my eye with his early posting and I feel this guy is scum from what I've read.
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Well damn. Rereading the thread again his posts actually make a lot of sense.
I have no excuse for my vote on wolf. I misread his posts :/ Go ahead, lynch me for it. I dare you.
He's still not posting that often regardless. Whatever.
He wasnt the only one 'active lurking' if you really want to call it that. You are backing down here on your vote of him, while still trying to somewhat justify it. If you think you are wrong you think you are wrong. Ive pulled huge turns in games before when I realized something that I haddent earlier or something made me change my mind about a read. It happens.
And the reasons I gave on DocPotter were partly influenced by posts he had made in the last 24 hours. Got a problem with that?[/quote]LlamaFluff wrote:He goes from wanting wolf lynched in part due to wagoning DP to wanting DP lynched, but still wanting wolf lynched... I know he says he wasnt sure at first, but this is a sub 24-hour turnaround
Provide examples?
Actually, a reason why I'm not going to jump off the DP wagon yet. Like I said, I think both are scum together. It's kinda setting up lynches in advance but the logical connections I've made between them seem to hold up. I don't see why you'd want to criticize me for building an argument that I feel links them as scum. If you don't agree with it then I'm not going to care but if you call me out for using logic to try and catch scum I'm not sure you're even playing the right game here.LlamaFluff wrote:
Oh and more reasoning to shuffle back to a SD lynchFor now, my vote stays. If both are scum, then I don't have any reason to switch from one to the other.
Hmm, I don't even remember if I ever voted syke .-. I don't think I have.[/quote]
Well... maybe in part because im pretty sure that SD is town. Which does mean I need to reevaluate something I just realized, but will do that later. Which of DP and SD do you think are more scum and why- LlamaFluff
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Sorry, ani is probably townAmished wrote:You're not exactly convincing anybody animorpherv. Either you got a case or you don't. If you do, you're wasting everyone's time by not saying it to evaluate both sides. If you don't you're just scum and we should vote you now.- LlamaFluff
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There are so many "only ifs" that yes. You are town. And so is syke, and fish, and whoever SSK is now, and a few others that I am probably forgetting. If this goes on much longer I can just reverse engineer all of my cases.animorpherv1 wrote:
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Sorry, ani is probably townAmished wrote:You're not exactly convincing anybody animorpherv. Either you got a case or you don't. If you do, you're wasting everyone's time by not saying it to evaluate both sides. If you don't you're just scum and we should vote you now.town????
This must be the wrong game.
Right now though we lynch Parama- LlamaFluff
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Will do.Parama wrote:
I can assure you that today will not end with a lynch of me, though if you want to wagon me for a bit go ahead and do it.LlamaFluff wrote:Right now though we lynch Parama
And yes SD I am busy right now. Im in college so it fluxuates, have midterms thursday and friday this week. Then structures the following, but the friday midterm is a cakewalk class and structures im coasting in so its all good.
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Its still confusing to me, but I think that I do understand the point that he is attempting to make. Nothing there really makes me think he is scum. I like the Parama lynch a whole lot better, and I still really dislike the SD lynch.Amished wrote:On that note: LlamaFluff: what do you think of Bogre's explanation for his quote and my rebuttal of said stance?- LlamaFluff
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This isnt a trick. Besides, if that worked at least two scum would of been confirmed guilty. Who would of expected a basically dead game would get a burst of activity the day of deadlineAmished wrote:@Llama: do you promise that this isn't some trick to try to pull a no-lynch? ... I can't believe you did that to me :(- LlamaFluff
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...not provided reasoning? Really?
I know I can be persuasive at times but there has to be something there if people are wagoning you. Since when is changing a suspicion a scumtell too?- LlamaFluff
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You are next to respond I think... as far as I can tell you never responded to my last post on you.Parama wrote:
You provided reason initially, but since then have not commented on anything I've posted, instead just constantly urging people to vote me.LlamaFluff wrote:...not provided reasoning? Really?
I know I can be persuasive at times but there has to be something there if people are wagoning you. Since when is changing a suspicion a scumtell too?
You are sure trying to make it look like aggressively pushing two different people isChanging suspicion isn't a scumtell. I never said it was.
Well first off 1 isnt a tell, its just an attempt to make it look like you have something on me. 2 on the other hand is false. I started with a small push on SD, moved to the better DP wagon, and am now getting you lynched. Is this a case or frustration venting?The problem is, 1. everyone seems to follow what you say in this game, so 2. you're switching suspicions often and ending up confusing the town and leading them in circles.
I have the natural ability to conjuer up large ammount of votes. This again isnt a tell thoughI honestly don't like how so many people seem to follow your every move this game, regardless of how good the case is or not.
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