SWN II: The Curse of the Nekomata (Game over!)

[DocPotter]

I so wanted to be the first post.

Oh well.

Vote wolframnheart

Because I watched Angel and I know you're evil.

[DocPotter]

unvote wolframnheart, vote wolframnhart

At least I got the 'n' right

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Kai and Parama I don't get.

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SSK. Are you saying that you can't quote english but can quote tubby?

Tubby, SSK did either of you wear a warning for "its really kinda", or wouldn't you be able to tell us if you did get one?

Mod, is there any limitations on the other players quoting SSK or Tubby? Are we required to stick to english?

[DocPotter]

Now I'm perplexed.

Ray states that Parama is obv town for reasons that I can't see, and then Anon states that Parama is most 'scummy' again for reasons that I can't see. They can't both be right can they?

Ok, Anon has given reasons, but I still don't see it.

[DocPotter]

Ah Ray.

Temp

I can understand.

[DocPotter]

Me either, but wouldn't it be fun to give someone a post restiction that they must say "I do not have a post restriction" everytime they are asked if they have one?


SSK, Tubby. Out of interest are you two in a quick chat of any sort and if so do your Post Restriction still aply?

Ani. Is some mechanism that you can confirm or deny the restrictions? (Besides the obvious getting someone flipped) I'm not fussed what it is, just if there is one.

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Ray. Why the policy lynch on Ace? I would have assumed it was an RVS thing but then you followed with the Kyle and deathnote dayvig thing.

Citing the time, will blow goats.

When we get to the end game I want to know what you really said

SSK, Tubby. Out of interest are you two in a quick chat of any sort and if so do your Post Restriction still aply?

This is not important at this stage of the game

Perhaps not. To be honest I never expected there would be, but by god it would be funny. But the answer was non.

Ani. Is some mechanism that you can confirm or deny the restrictions? (Besides the obvious getting someone flipped) I'm not fussed what it is, just if there is one.

This is not something to be discussed at this point of the game.

Why would you think that either of those should be out in the open?

Actually I would think this is reasonable to ask. Ani could always refuse to answer. He did start right out asking about post restricted players, saying that it was important to his role if I remember correctly, so it is fair to ask if he has some way to confirm or deny them. After all if any of the Post Restricted players are scum Ani has already painted a target on himself. Answering my question, or even me asking that question of him, wont make that target any worse.

Again he must have thought it reasonable, he answered.

Ani: Cool.

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Personally Anon, I always worry when people say "If you get me to L-2 ask for my role and I can make you look silly for crusading." and "I've seen scumwagons hammer faster than you can say die."

Especially at what, L-8.

Which in my head conflicts with him saying that he's cautious with his votes/reads. I'm kinda cautious although not to the extent that skyedoc seems to be.

Then there was the threat around iso 4 or 5.

Vote skyedoc

Something here feels scummy and I think it's him.

fos NUL, Kyle

2 days, they should have posted again by now.

Ray, your policy lynch idea is starting to look better.

[DocPotter]

Overreacting is not a scumtell.

Seriously, most of the 'heat' I seem to attract lately is due to me overreacting.

Unvote

I still have a scummy feel from the skyedoc wagon and I honestly thought it was sky himself.
Just have to take a third look.

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So sue me for being honest.

DN, three people.

Jumping on a wagon, as you put it, that two people (I think it was) had already left is not wagon jumping. How can it be real wagon jumping to jump on a collapsing wagon? It's me placing a vote where I think there's something scummy. LLama, and MME and Tubby however make me think I voted early, hence unvote and take annother look.

Yes I know most of LLama's post was directed at Anon, but part of Anon's case against Skye is his fence sitting, which is something I know I do early in larges. Same with overreacting, which I seem to do in any game. (Go check if you want. The Troll's post in the Mafia Discussion is partly directed at me for doing just that)

There is someting scummy there with that Skyedoc wagon, or so my gut says. I'm just not sure what yet.

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No Kyle I didn't. Try reading it again. I said I found something scummy about the wagon, and thought it was Skye. I still think it's a scummy wagon and am not sure if it's the wagoners or the target since Llama made some good points concerning it. Do I need to point out that Llama voted Skye as well at one stage?
There is a slight difference to what I said and what you claimed I said Kyle.

Whereas you and Nul appear to be wagon jumping pure and simple.

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Really Llama. I'm just trying to be completely honest.

My point? Well if you found reason to vote Skye, is it unreasonable to assume that I did.

I'm going to place, or remove, my vote on whomever I think is the best target at the time and if something happens to make me change my mind then change it I will. Even if it's the next post, even if it's a ninja post.

All I can do is place it where I think best and be honest about the reason why.

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Llama, can you concise your case on docpotter? What are the scumtells you are using to suspect him? What do you think of the bandwagon formed against him?

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There is some really hard fishing for supplemental or related roles two the language PRs. He wants to know if they have a QT (amazingly important from where im standing), and he wants to know what the interaction between ani and the PRs.

Hard? Hard? I find that a stretch. I made a joke about the two language PR's trying to communicate in a QT, because I think that would be funny.

As for asking about Ani and his interactions with the PR's ...

If SSK is scum, ani is not

I agree and was scum hunting. Because if you're right then the opposite is also true. (and questioning Ani means I don't have to translate)

Llama, why would it be important if they have a QT or not?

Or is this wagon that you're leading* on me because I said, several times, that there is something scummy with the wagon on SkyeDoc, and you started that wagon as well?

*and I do mean leading.

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DP still isnt really scumhunting.

Neither are you. But at least I am answering questions put to me.

Llama what do you say to there being blatant followers on this wagon you are flogging so keenly? Does that undermine things for you?

Do you have any suspects, or are you just pushing the first of your votes that actually seemed to get some following?
That you are just trying to push wagons is pretty much a given, is that because you are wagon happy?

and as I said in annother thread Llama, I have five kids starting the new school year tommorow, and one who started kinder last friday.
So pardon me for letting this game slide where you are so keen to lynch me on nothing but, and I'd like to point this out, nothing but agreeing with you.

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Amished. As someone here recently said, answering questions for other people is scummy. Also, I asked questions of the guy who started the fishing on the Post Restricted players.

Since there's a fair chance the whole lynch thing is going to happen while I'm either asleep or doing the whole fist day of school thing tommorow.

I DocPotter have yet to receive a scum role at all, in any game.
I've replaced into games into scummy spots hoping to get one but no luck.

Llama, are you going to answer my question about Ani and SSK? Are you going to comment on the fact that Ani could be scum, and with three obvious post restrictions his question about them is looking more and more suspicious? Especially given his claimed interaction with them?

Nope, because if Ani is scum then you look scummy for the way you have posed that statement "If SSK is scum then Ani is not". Combined with you shutting down any other questions about it, citing protection of Ani. Hello, he raised the topic in the first place.

My gut says that with three restrictions, Ani is scum. If Ani is scum then you are scummy for the way you have protected him. Reguardless, Llama deserves a very close look for trying to be the town leader.

If Ani is scum, and I believe that he is, then his RVS has to be looked at closely. Those that know him, is he the kind of person to thumb his nose at the town by RVS'ing a scum buddy?

Ray, is Ani the type of player to RVS a scum buddy like this?

Wolf needs close looking at for a different reason.
Wolf, you are pushing for my lynch in two games now. Do you really thnk I'm scum in both, or do you think that perhaps there is something about me and my style that rubs you the wrong way?

Summary: Llama, Ani scum. Wolf, scummy. Skyedoc. Still don't bloody know.

Since there are about 16 days to go until deadline, I'm going to concentrate on the lylo/mylo games for the next couple of days.

[DocPotter]

Do you think that there is something about me and my playstyle that rubs you the wrong way?

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Pom.

With MafiaSSK, Tubby, and Fishy(?) having obvious post restrictions my gut says that if there's any scum involved with the restrictions then it's the person who claimed that it was important to his role on page 1.

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Pom: The only Post restrictions I've seen before this game are more along the lines of number of words per post or number of posts per day. These would be hard to detect.
Such blatant restrictions as language or color are new to me.
How common are they in bastard games? Clearly Ani thought they would be more subtle, so why don't you?

Kyle. Perhaps you should read the game occasionally.

Docpotter brought up 3 people on Syke wagon, I think, and tried to point scumminess towards them, 1 (pom) wasn't on the wagon.

What are you on about here?
Pom asked me a question, I answered it.
Your comment makes no sense.
Especially as I've pointed no scumminess at her. Who I have pointed scumminess at should be bloody obvious.

FOS Bogre

You are not playing how I've seen you play.

Vote Kyle

That's twice you've not bothered to read my posts properly, and come out with something that's just wrong. One of them seems to be the basis for your vote.

[DocPotter]

Skye. Perhaps you should be reading.

I post that I will be absent for a day or two, kyle makes the post that you quote, and then I responded to it when I came back. You know that post you quoted where Kyle said I should claim.

Of course if he had read the game he would have seen me say that I am town. Asking for a claim when I have is a good sign that he's not reading the game isn't it?

So why are you really voting that way. Worried that Starbuck is starting to pin you down and you want to jump the biggest wagon to stop yours forming?
For that matter, why the change from your claimed fence sitting normal style of play since you also said that fence sitting seems to work for you?

[DocPotter]

Skye, you sound like you are making a deadline compromise vote. That you are doing so with 2 weeks or so before deadline is not a townie thing.

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Panama, I wont say that placing my vote on Kyle over Skyedoc is a mistake, because I think Kyle has something to answer for.
The mistake is in my thinking about where to place my vote and worrying about how it will look. I blame wanting to stay in an interesting large for more than D1
That and some obvious caution about voting for Skyedoc again considering what happened last time.
Compunded by me earlier saying I'll vote where I like and damn how it looks.

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Pom, Parama. My original vote on Skye was not meta based, and my suspicion never has been.

It was based on his comments this game, and my gut. (Ok, my feeling that saying that he was cautious didn't mesh with his voting pattern but I wouldn't catagorise that as meta)

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unvote

My reasons for voting Kyle probably wont aply to his replacement.

Richard. If you do have a Post Restriction, did you get into trouble for breaking it?

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oh joy, another game with panama.

ebwop i meant parama not panama lol

I should note that the next 4 posts Richards spelling gets much worse.

[DocPotter]

Bogre, in what way was I coaching? Please spell it out for me.

(Playing catch-up)

Richard, much more readable.

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Mod: As soon as Kyle asked to be replaced I unvoted.

Welcome Dramonic.

Bogre. Are you ever going to answer questions?

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'Ello CSL.

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Richard, when I said in 107, using my old username, "grow some"* I didn't think this would be the result.

Richard sounds like town. Rabid towwn, but town. Been there myself.
Parama I'm not so sure of. I think he's trying to provoke Richard with the aim of getting him voted for. "I'm reasonable, he's rabid so he must be scum"

Vote Parama

*Not quite what I said. Aint that silly to quote directly

[DocPotter]

Vote Parama

Mod. Am I doing something wrong? You didn't count my vote

[DocPotter]

*EBWOP. That post/vote was about 44 hours ago.

Bogre. Are you ever going to answer questions?

Yah. Search function was down yesterday and I had to sleep before my test.

How long does it take to go through my few posts to get a simple answer?

[DocPotter]

Dramonic, then why answer it?

[DocPotter]

How do you mean Nul? If you mean pages, a recent, still running, game ran to over 50 pages for day one iirc.

[DocPotter]

sykedoc (9): Anon, DeathNote, Starbuck, MafiaSSK, RayFrost, Amished, Rifka Viveka, Pomegranate, RichardGHP

For reference then Syke. What is a wagon?

[DocPotter]

Hmm. DN says that your wagon is still valid. You said it wasn't because Llama said his vote was pressure.

Hence my question.

[DocPotter]

What I said, and what you said, was not that it was or was not a valid wagon. But wether it was a wagon at all. Hence my question as to what you consider a wagon.

The only two "wagons" that i'd see from Llama are DP's and yours{{Parama's}}.

Mine wasn't a "wagon". He was just pressing me in the beginning during the RvS.

Sykedoc (5) :Llama, Anon, Kairyuu, DN, Pom,
then Llama unvotes.

So I ask again, especially given that I doubt we were in RVS at the time of Llama's vote (Page 6 and Llama voted for a serious reason). For reference Syke, what is a wagon? Because 5 votes outside of the RVS is one in my book.

[DocPotter]

Llama votes for Syke, other votes follow. It's not a wagon.

Llama votes for me, other votes follow, it is a wagon.

Llama votes for Parama, other votes follow, it is a wagon.

Syke. Please, explaine why this is your stance.
Please explain why I'm scummy for asking you a simple question.
Please explain why you are so keen to not answer it.

Hell, please explain how it's not about you when you made it about you when you said, in response to Parama's comment about Llama starting wagons, that it wasn't a wagon in your case.
Syke, what is your definition of a wagon if the multiple votes on you weren''t a wagon?

[DocPotter]

Mod: Syke did in #778 I believe.

[DocPotter]

Why are you so concerned with deadline? We have time.

That was my immediate thought too.

That's the what, second time you've mentioned the deadline in relation to the Parama wagon.

Unvote Parama

You sound worried by something Syke.

[DocPotter]

lol.. I dropped the Llama question because you weren't answering it and I figgured it could wait for day 2.

But just for kicks, why don't you actually answer it instead of dodging it or throwing accusations at me.

Also, if you can't tell, my post was written after the Starbuck post I quoted, so I wasn't following other people. Just her. The whole "Second time you've mentioned the deadline" would kind of give that away, since you've mentioned it a few more times than that now. For reference the first time was somewhere after 3am local for me. It's now 10:00, and I'm still reading the overnights from the games I am in.

You did, in my opinion, push for the Parama lynch, and your voting the next biggest wagon when people started unvoting just proves that you are wagon hopping.

You seem to be excessively paranoid about being lynched. Pushing wagons other than yours, denying that the wagon on you was actually a wagon, scare tactics about the deadline, claim threats. The early sofy claim PR.


So for reference again, if the wagon on myself and Parama were actually wagons started by LLama (Despite Llama not being the first vote on Parama), why was the one he started on you not a wagon? I'll give you another hint, when he placed his vote on me, was it a wagon then? Perhaps you define what you think a wagon is?

Vote sykedoc

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Tell you what Ray. Vote Syke today, and we'll do RBT tommorow.

Kyle lurked and wagon hopped. Par for the course really.
RBT lurkes and appears to have wagon hopped.

I'd be happy to vote him tommorow.

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Ray, can't ask for fairer than that.

If RBT overtakes Sykedoc, I'll swap over for a deadline compromise.

[DocPotter]

Didn't read the extension properly, just saw it and assumed it was a day or two, not that many. Should have looked at a calander lol.

[DocPotter]

Ray I promised you a vote if the wagon's changed. They have.
Is it needed or what?

[DocPotter]

Same goes for PR people. I can't daykill all of Fuzzy,Mae,FFFF,Richard and Fishy, among with any others Ive forgotten.

I was just about to ask about them.

[DocPotter]

Unvote Syke.

Policy

Vote SpyreX

Anyone who proposes an alliance, anyone, should be lynched to prove they are town. If they propose a good alliance then it will no doubt go on to be a powerful town force increasing the chance of a town win, which is still a win for the proposer
If the proposer is scum however, then the alliance will be a very bad thing, and almost guarentee a scum win as they will have the power to direct scum kills and lynches.
Even worse in a multi-scum faction game where the alliance can legitmately scum hunt the other faction.


SpyreX deserves a right proper looking at.

[DocPotter]

I believe CSL is town. The more disengaged he is in a game, the more I believe that he has a boring, VT role.

I have replaced CSL into a couple of games, and seen a couple where he has been replaced and yes this is probably meta.

SpyreX. I will think on what you, and others, have said.

[DocPotter]

The animal has is a vigilante days of unlimited, which killed the RBT. He (and I mean it ani), however, loses the ability to kill a normal citizen or a person with a post restriction. CSL, better vow already in it. Only in this game is to make numbers, apparently Go see it in ISO, the case is written to himself.

Love those translations.
Starbuck: Animorph dayvigged RBT, As for CSL, mixture of Lurker and read his ISO.

[DocPotter]

Inno on DocPotter

Cheers.

Mod: DN voted Syke

[DocPotter]

True, but it's a start.

[DocPotter]

At least if DN is telling the truth, he is only the back-up.

Vote Deathnote

[DocPotter]

That sounds a bit much doesn't it. Especially as the most recent the fluff makes it sound like the Nekomata is in the game as a Vig/SK

[DocPotter]

He said Vanilla Town or Post Restrictions.
I don't believe Mafii would be considered Vanilla town.

[DocPotter]

Parama flipping Greek cop doesn't mean Greek mafia though does it?

[DocPotter]

Family issues, Not quite here for a day or so.

[DocPotter]

Ok, caught up, but lost.

FFFF a couple of pages ago you speculated on Russian and/or Greek being in the alliance. Why those two and not the one we know exists?

[DocPotter]

Ok, I think FFFF's vengeful claim is bogus, at least in the way it's been presented so far. Bogus claim == Scum. (Except claiming VT

But, I'm highly suspicious of SpyreX jumping out of the first spot, and trying to drag the alliance from it as well.

Vote FFFF

and yes, I'll go to the front slot if you want.

FOS SpyreX, Kairyuu

Worrying more about your survival than scum hunting. Not good.

[DocPotter]

So its the FIRST and LAST?

Hmm. (Notice I haven't unvoted yet,

but I probably will be

).

That means before any more votes on there for sure

I'd like Kai and Rifka to unvote / revote.

FOS Rifka

as well.

Just FYI, notice I didn't vote any of you.

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SpyreX, somehow I'm sure that using a time machine is against the rules.

I'm suspicious of you, yeah even highly, for things you have done and something you said you'd probably do.

Ani worries me too, despite me agreeing with the DN shot.

[DocPotter]

"Defenestrated - Anon "

Defenestrated is being thrown out of a window, but anyway.

Bah, I was looking forward to playing in a game with Zor.

[DocPotter]

Oh well. *sigh* I'm crying now. Unfortunately, I feel like strangling somebody.

*sigh* I really do. Any volunteers?

I got a 14 yr old I'd happily let you strangle.

and the restrictions could have been worse.

Someone could have had to post like they were Steve Irwin!