Open 188 - Tweed Mafia - Over!

[Starbuck]

Just checking in guys, I'll be catching up shortly.

[Starbuck]

@Mod - The first post isn't updated at all. I'm not listed on the front page as a replacement. The latest deaths (if any) haven't been recorded. I don't even know what Day we are on.

I apologize all. I've tried to start reading and with the above as well as the site's constant errors, it's been hard trying to read. I'm barely past the 3rd page.

If anyone knows how I catch up, I try to do a wall-o-text per game day. It's been tough with the craziness work has brought me in the past week, as well as the site's errors. I have posted in other games, but it's games that I started from the beginning and I have no need to catch up on.

If someone can tell me the above information, or if the first post can be updated, it would be greatly appreciated.

[Starbuck]

Day 1

Again,

@Mod - The first post isn't updated at all. I'm not listed on the front page as a replacement. The latest deaths haven't been recorded. Also, no where in an obvious area is the Day that we are currently on (such as the thread title or the first post).

Heads up, I skimmed through the theorizing and discussion that should be in the Mafia Discussion part of the forums. I've also skipped over everything that farside had to say since I know it came from scum.

On my predecessor, Locke Lamora

I'm not a fan of his casual entrance into the game at Post 63. I've only played with Locke once or twice, so I don't know if that's a normal thing for him or not. Although, he did ask questions and seemed like he was trying to contribute, but he only has 5 total posts and 4 are game related.

I do agree with his case on Lowell. I feel the same way about him currently.

On KittyMo

I've only played in one prior game with KittyMo, and I don't remember her being this lurky. Is this normal for her?

She says wants to be in a game with no RVS, and will vote the next person to random vote. Now, I don't think the suggestion is scummy, but her execution of said plan was just a very poor display.

And Nikanor makes an excellent point with:

Except that your reasoning for placing a vote will rely on the RVS's existence.

If she had posted her questions along with her statement of not wanting an RVS, I could definitely see her positively trying to move away from RVS. Without including those questions in her initial post, it reflects rather negatively imho.

Locke Lamora: If I were to self-vote right now, what would your reaction be?

Answering this since it was based towards my role spot.

It would depend on your actions surrounding the self-vote really. I am one of those firm believers that self-voting is a null tell, rather than a scum tell. Your actions surrounding the self vote would them be questioned by me, rather than that actual self vote.


She answers her questions in Post 27, but I do not feel that many of them are genuine.

For example...

* Who do you want to be lynched first in this game, and why?
Hmmm. Hard question to answer, since only about half of us are here, but I’d choose Lowell, because I don’t like votes without reasoning on page 1 unless they’re early bandwagoning.

Most votes on Page 1 aren't for a reason. So why do you support early bandwagoning (which a good chunk of people find to be scummy) over people random voting?

I don't think you've even stated why you don't like the Random Voting Stage.

* Is it scummy to suggest skipping the RVS?
No. I don’t really like the RVS; it doesn’t seem all that useful.

* If I were to self-vote right now, what would your reaction be?
Well, there’s a reason that I’m not self-voting right now; I don’t see how it would help the town.

Since both of these questions are originally intended to be about your actions and/or possible future actions, it's just very odd in context. You were the one who suggested skipping RVS, and you would be the one to self-vote.

Now you've stated why you don't like RVS, so why isn't it useful?

See, my thought when I see a question like that is that of a scum player who wants to know what NOT TO DO in a mafia game, a scum player who might be paticularly worried about being caught by a specific player. (You'd have to know my history with Kittymo to fully understand what I'm getting at.)

I pretty much know what you find scummy, Zach, so if that was the reason I was asking, I would ask someone else that question, like someone very experienced (you know about my irrational fear of them, especially when I play as scum xD), or ask Nikanor, because at least on irc, he always seems to catch me as scum, and I am not entirely sure why. But the main point of the question survey was to ask questions relevant to the game at hand, which is why I didn't ask things like "What's your favorite power role: cop, doctor, or vig?" or random game theory that doesn't apply here.

This just feels WIFOM-ish to me, with a bit of backpedaling. If you know what Zach finds scummy, you should have directed another question towards him. But still even if you asked someone else this question, I would find it rather odd as well.

Since I apparently fail so much, what better plan would you like to grace us with?

Unvote: yabbaguy
Vote: KittyMo

If one plan for generating discussion fails, try another yourself. Don't ask people to generate discussion for you.

QFT

I'm also not a fan of Kitty's AtE in that quote.

You're asking me to figure out what you should do next for you? o.O

Would you like to explain why you don't want to give any suggestions of what is best for town?

Did you simply start the RQS just to generate discussion, and let the rest of town decide what to do with the results?

Did you ever answer these questions?

If people did continue to RV, I, as I did, would vote the first person to random vote. If no one did RV, I would have chosen to vote for a different reason. Why was this not obvious?

You've been on this site long enough to know that almost 98% of games start with some kind of RVS. So your theorizing about "if no one did RV" doesn't fly with me at all.

You are trying to give yourself an out where there isn't one.

Basically, I want you to explain which of my questions you think someone who is not town would ask. Since you have yet to do that; you've just said that some guy in a game you played with a while back asked scummy questions.

Why are you trying to lead into a discussion that will be a complete distraction from the game?

You seriously have no reason whatsoever to believe I'm town? That's pretty sad.

AtE much?

Until you bring up a point that isn't "I think this is scummy because I think it's scummy and you can't change what I think is scummy," I'm not going to respond to your case anymore because it's a waste of the small amount of time we have before reaching the deadline.

This is what mafia is though. He has brought up many good points (at this point in the game) against you. All you have brought, as far as I can see, in defense is quite a bit of AtE and misrepresentation.

So why are you jumping all over X for his vote on you, rather than anyone else for their votes on you?

Here's the bottom half of my scumlist. (I tried to order it as best I could, but I keep wanting to reorder it...meh):

MrSuave
Zachrulez
StrangerCoug
XScorpion
Lowell
SCUM

So those closer to the bottom are people you are more suspicious of?

Yup.

Cut off the top half of the list since it's so close to deadline. I'm not really interested in giving scum a who-to-NK list.

But you just did. /sigh

On Zachrulez

See, my thought when I see a question like that is that of a scum player who wants to know what NOT TO DO in a mafia game, a scum player who might be paticularly worried about being caught by a specific player. (You'd have to know my history with Kittymo to fully understand what I'm getting at.)

QFT

On Lowell

unvote, vote zach

. 39 and 41, taken together, rub me the wrong way. 39 is meta and 41 is defensive and meta.

How so?

I'd like to see some interest in a zach wagon if folks aren't doing anything other than telling jokes.

Why a Zach wagon?

Is it your position that people who make meta arguments are scummy then?

Yes, basically. If that's pretty much all they do. It's my opinion that being meta is a good way to appear active while not really ruffling any feathers. This is what I see you doing, even in the way you phrased this question.

Where has he done this? Why haven't you provided examples to back up your accusation?

because I only have one vote. Zach strikes me as the bigger offender. suave is just plain lurky.

And yet, you still haven't provided a case, only weak accusations without any backup.

unvote, vote MrSuave.

Bandwagon. I'll give zach credit for showing up at least. Suave has an attitude on the rare occasions he does participate.

This is a rather opportunistic switch.

Or we could come to a consensus and lynch zach.

Still awaiting a case.

Not to mention at the time of this post you are voting for MrSuave and not Zach.

Lowell is reminding me a lot of a game I played in with him as scum. I believe it's Mini 795, but I can't bring up right now since the search function doesn't seem to be working on the forums currently.

On Nikanor

Having an abnormal amount of confidence is a scumtell, farside.

QFT

On XScorpion

Btw, it needs to be said, I like you more when you are scumhunting. You bring valuable info to the table.

I had no school today, so I was waiting around all day for your game to start.

Well, Zach, I was planning on providing another method of discussion, but I had to leave for dance class soon, and didn't have time to come up with one.

You were waiting around all day...but didn't have enough time? What's up with that?

Now I'm one of the biggest advocates about people's real lives because I know mine can get hectic as all hell, it's a WIFOM discussion. We won't know if the game started like 3 hrs prior to her class or 15 minutes prior. I think that this argument is faulty. She even said she had to leave for dance class, which you MIRACULOUSLY left out when you accused her here.

I have found her actions in game are scummy, but I don't think that this is. She came back as soon as she could. Now if she had just waited to make her first post and included her whole plan and her questions all into one post, I think that wouldn't have made her look as a bad. I just don't think you should be holding her commitments within her life against her.


I do agree with other points in your case though, such as

...which is why I didn't ask things like "What's your favorite power role: cop, doctor, or vig?"...

I am suspicious about someone being the first in the thread to mention power roles, even in this context.

& you hit it on the nose here:

The only reason it promoted discussion is because people saw her as suspicious for trying to discourage one of the most common ways to begin discussion.

Which of my questions in particular think are information about town for the scum to use? How would they be more helpful to scum than town?

I don't believe it is very productive to speculate on what scum might or might not say to get information about town.

This.


I do find it odd that X suddenly drops his case and attack on KittyMo and switches to Lowell. I have found Lowell scummy as I read, but it seems like too weird of a switch. I also don't see where a connection is between Lowell and Kitty.

He asks why his "insanely anti-town behavior hasn't warranted a vote". Me, personally, reading at the point I am, I really didn't find XScorpion as anti-town. So I'm wondering why he would go out of his way to point out this behavior or that he's purposely acting in this fashion.

As town, I've found that most lynches on me have actually been lead by scum...go figure.

Welcome to my world.

On MrSuave

He seems to just be adding a lot of fluff to the thread rather than actual scumhunting. I'm just trying to get through the thread right now, but I'm going to be doing an iso on him later on.

He seems a bit to crazed about Nikanor though.

On nhammen

Jumps in the game and automatically names Zach, X and MrSuave as scummiest.

Why? Do you have any cases on them?

At this point nhammen is still very quiet.

[Starbuck]

haha, that was day 1.

Hence the title of my post....

[Starbuck]

Day 2

Tons of back and forth between Farside and Jazz & Farside and Zach, and most of the subject centers around Farside. I skimmed quite a bit, just a heads up.

On StrangerCoug

Wouldn't it be better to think of the possible motives for yabbaguy's death first?

This is a strange question for me coming from StrangerCoug because he's not one to speculate about NKs, and I just wanted to note it because through Day 1 reading because it's not a typical action for him and I've gotten a pro-town read off him. It just doesn't mesh.

On XScorpion

I tend to find that night-kill speculation just leads to WIFOM and nothing useful for town. If you want to discuss it, go ahead, but I'm still gonna put my vote back where it was. As for yabbaguy, I'm convinced that his death was as simple as him being seen by scum as the most pro-town player.

I'm in definite agreement about the WIFOM about the NK issue.

But I do have a question for you, Kitty left a pretty blatant list at the end of the day that yabba was not on. Do you think this implicates her at all?

On Lowell

At this point, Lowell has been straight on tunneling and pushing for a Zach lynch for two days.

Any chance we should do some sort of mass copclaim situation? Can we use two cops to our advantage here or what?

Why would you even ask this?

You guys are idiots.

I guess insulting every other player is a good way to get your point across.

vote zach.

This guy is unbearable and obvious.

You still haven't given any reason why.

There are a lot of twitchy players out there and I don't like it.

Who?

On KittyMo

I'm the kind of girl that makes the long, pretty, well-thought out cases as scum because I don't actually have to figure out who the scum are.

Umm....is it just me? Or does this feel like a slip?

Jazzmyn makes quite a few good points about Kitty, such as:

In 242, shortly before deadline, she made extremely weak cases on a few players: top scum suspect Lowell because of "bad vibes"; XS for "being a hypocrite" and "tunneling horribly"; SC "just a gut feeling; Zach "because if he's scum he wants her dead asap"; and MrS because of his preoccupation with Nik and because she can’t read him. None of those are legitimate cases.

Jazzmyn calls her out on her "scum would never do that" comment:

Just based on personal experience, I very, very rarely see scum put themselves in the spotlight early in the game. I remember my first game as scum, and on Day 1 I was absolutely terrified of being attacked early on, and definitely focused more on acting protown than pretending to scumhunt and such things. You can call it WIFOM if you want, but that's my experience.

It is WIFOM because the reality is that scum do put themselves in the spotlight, precisely because it's convenient for them to say, "Scum would never do that"... etc., etc., ad infinitum. That's why it's WIFOM.

I don't understand how Kitty doesn't see the WIFOM here.


Kitty also barely mentions Farside and then just hops on her bandwagon in Post 426 with nothing more than the following as her reasoning:

I'm really not excited by farside's deflection of me noting her sudden change of opinion on me a couple pages back, and her constant bringing up meta over the course of the game even though she supposedly doesn't believe in meta is ridiculous.

Meh. I'm gonna go ahead and

unvote; vote: farside22.

It's a very opportunistic and distancing move to me.


It also bothers me that after Farside claims, Kitty is more concerned about Lowell's reaction than the actual situation going on with Farside. Distancing much?

Well she clears me so I'm game. I'll believe it.

Lowell - Please tell me how this post could come from anyone except scum who has been tailored. I seriously cannot think of any other perspective.

This, especially with her generous use of WIFOM all game, strikes me as odd.

[Starbuck]

This is also a part of Day 2, I just missed it when I copied and pasted from Notepad...

On nhammen

Wow, this guy is barely ever around.

But his defense of Farside worries me...

So, about farside: I agree that he has been somewhat scummy, but I don't agree with some of the arguments presented here. I have seen too many quickhammers recently to believe that claiming at L-1 is scummy in itself. I can see some of his play as Cop. As for the rest of his play, I'm going to ISO him, post my conclusions, and then get some sleep. Maybe I should start coming to MS in the mornings instead of right before bed...

[Starbuck]

I was going with if you go back to that post she says that from the top is her least scummiest and the bottom is the most scummiest. So even though she said she was trying to not leave a list of people for scum to NK, I believe she did this anyways.

[Starbuck]

Everyone whose name wasn't there she thought was town.

Exactly! So while she was saying she didn't want to give the scum a list of the most town in her eyes, she did that exact thing when she made that scumlist by not listing those she felt are town.

That's my point.

[Starbuck]

I'm still working on my Day 3 catch up, and with that you will have my vote.

[Starbuck]

What about this worries you, other than that it is a defense of a player that flipped scum? Or is that it?

Yes, that's it actually. I just wanted to note it.

Never answered this. Also, why did you mention how I'm never around when Suave lurked through Day 2 just as bad? Is there a reason you are ignoring her?

For the record, your deliberate misuse of pronouns bothers me. You kept calling Farside "him" when she has the female symbol under her name and you are doing the same thing by calling MrSuave "her". That's why the gender is there. Just a reminder.


I'm not ignoring Suave. If you noticed,in my first catch up post I said the following about HIM.

On MrSuave

He seems to just be adding a lot of fluff to the thread rather than actual scumhunting. I'm just trying to get through the thread right now, but

I'm going to be doing an iso on him later on.

He seems a bit to crazed about Nikanor though.

Right now, I've been just trying to get through reading and then I will be going back to do iso's as needed.

The above quote is also right above where I wrote about you. So why would you go out of your way to allude that I'm ignoring him?

[Starbuck]

Day 3 to my first analysis post

On Lowell

If she's scum I'm unilaterally declaring that I'm cleared as a possible scum-buddy.0

This post right before the Day 2 lynch scene bothers me.

farside, as a desperate scum, decided to claim cop, and ALSO IMPLICATE HER SCUMBUDDY by "clearing" him? Someone tell me why that makes sense.

WIFOM much?


Zach has a very good point here:

Nevermind, I misread the roles. I thought it was two cops and two mafia, in which case the last mafia will just tailor him/herself every day. It's not, it's three. Carry on.

Why do you seem to know for a fact whether or not the tailor is still alive?

Um, because farside was a goon?

You do realize that all the mafia flip that way right?

Why doesn't Lowell seem to realize this?

On KittyMo

vote MrSuave

Lowell's lynch is just as good if not better, but I mean, just look at what MrSuave posted on Day 2 and Day 3. It's ridiculous. We don't need Lowell at L-1 yet, in my opinion.

She votes MrSuave, but then she says Lowell's lynch is "just as good,

if not better

". This just feels like fencesitting to me.

And again, when she says

I'd rather lynch Lowell today too probably.

But she just keeps her vote on MrSuave.

She does lay out a great analysis on MrSuave in Post 542. All he's really done is post fluff.

MrSuave is clearly not looking for scum. I've never played with him before, so I don't really know his meta, but this is just horrid.

QFT. Is this what made him start posting substance?

Yeah they do.

If you bring up your iso, you've pretty much been all about MrSuave after you paid lip service to a Lowell lynch that has had a lot more interest.

All right. In the future I'll make sure to remember that cutting off discussion and pushing the same lynch everyone else is is a towntell.

Wow, misrepresentation.

What I took Zach as saying here is that you keep saying Lowell is scummy and his lynch is better, but your vote is on MrSuave. Thus paying "lip service to a Lowell lynch", but being "all about MrSuave".

Correct me if I'm wrong, Zach.

On MrSuave

He finally starts posting substance, yay! I'm feeling that MrSuave was really just a lazy townie.

MrSuave was also one of Farside's major targets, which is another reason to give pause to the idea of lynching him.

This is a good point as well.

On nhammen

Lowell flipping scum would practically confirm a few players as town.

I'm uncomfortable with you assuming this.

[Starbuck]

I don't think it's reasonable to say that I'm being "distracting" by getting a player that has posted next to no content to read up and give their thoughts on the game. I also don't think it's reasonable to call that a scummy action. I don't think anything about my behavior or anything I said shows that I was looking to get MrSuave lynched. Absolutely not - my purpose was to call him out for a ridiculous lack of content thus far. I don't understand what about that is "distracting." What meaningful discussion that was taking place today was I distracting from?

Pressure votes are pressure votes for a reason. Once you admit they are pressure votes, they become null and void.

That's why to me, it became distracting and thus wasted.

[Starbuck]

I had a lengthy discussion with Kittymo about it. It's the fact that she doesn't really seem very willing to support a Lowell lynch and is more interested in Suave. That whole thing just seems like a distraction.

I think you are wrong here. I mentioned it in my catch up post. She's voting for Suave, but said she'd be more interested in a Lowell lynch.

[Starbuck]

Mod: Lowell's last post can be found here on Tuesday.

Prod please.

[Starbuck]

Lowell, you are the one stalling this game.

More thoughts at a quicker pace please.

[Starbuck]

Lowell, can post in other games but can't post here. I'm sorry but I'm tired of waiting.

Unvote, Vote: Lowell

[Starbuck]

I'm definitely feeling Kitty as well. It seemed like she just tried to shrink into the shadows to get the focus off herself. Not to mention, that she wasn't even on Lowell's wagon. She was voting for MrSuave while pushing along Lowell's lynch.

I'm going to hold back my vote for now since we are already so close to lynching her.

[Starbuck]

How did he clear Kitty and Nik?

[Starbuck]

Not exactly sure how you can say that seeing as I was the person who posted the MOST yesterday. In fact, except for a small part of Day 2, I have not been a lurker. I was having a tough time with my cold at the end of Day 3 and didn't have the energy to deal with this game. But for 95% of this game, I haven't "shrunk into the shadows to get the focus off me", I've put myself out there a hell of a lot more than most people have.

Just because you posted the most doesn't mean you weren't trying to shift the focus off of yourself.

Not to mention, that she wasn't even on Lowell's wagon.

When did not being on Lowell's bandwagon become a crime?

It became a crime when you were pushing more for his lynch than for the person you were voting.

Nooooo, sweetiecakes, that's really not what happened. If you learn to read, I pushed Lowell hardest on Days 1 and 2. Over the course of Day 3, I became less and less sure of his lynch, until I became fairly sure that he would flip town. I voted MrSuave because I wanted him to give his thoughts on the game, and when I first voted him, I overreacted a bit because I thought it was so dumb how much he'd active lurked. I was pretty much totally ignoring all of you guys sitting back saying "durrr hurrr let's have no discussion because Lowell is the most obvscum dude ever." I really didn't push Lowell's lynch very much on Day 3 at all, if you'd actually read what I said, instead of finding fun ways to misrep me.

Just because you didn't push it AS MUCH as you did on other games, does not absolve you of the fact that you pushed it the other days.

I'm going to hold back my vote for now since we are already so close to lynching her.

I really don't understand how you're okay with how yesterday went down. That was so d*mn idiotic, and you're willing to have the same thing happen all over again?

Where did I say I was okay with how yesterday went down and where did I say that I was willing to have the same thing happen all over again?

We spent all of yesterday waiting for Lowell to provide SOMETHING. He stalled out the game. I find you suspicious and I would like you to respond to myself as well as others.

If I'm inevitably going to be lynched at some point, I would prefer it would be today rather than tomorrow because if we mislynch today, and you go for my lynch tomorrow, we lose. It may be in our best interests to have me lynched today because y'all seem to think I'm just so d*mn scummy. However, I'm only willing for that to happen if you all don't sit around doing nothing like yesterday. Please, town, let's use all our time to scumhunt instead of acting idiotic like we did yesterday. Thanks.

Wow, AtE much?

[Starbuck]

@ Starbuck: regarding the sweetiecakes thing, don't take offense to it. I didn't mean for it to sound condescending, which looking at it, it kinda does. Sorry. :/

I didn't take offense, dollface.

Well to tell you the truth, I havn't really read D2, I mearly skimmed it.

Umm...wtf?

Also, I don't like that both of our cops died two days in a row. And are you saying that Jazz got killed just because? Zach too? I mean, Zach supported my hunch on Kitty yesterday, and I thought that was strange then. But with the cop flip, I'm gonna go ahead and stick with my Kitty vote. Also, wanna know why I'm not dead? Because scum would like to keep me around for an easy lynch. Everyone thinks I'm scummy, even when I'm not trying to be. Someone pointed it out earlier I think, and yet here I am. Why? Probably because I'm a scum asset. Either way, they get a free lynch in their eyes. Even you tried it Nik. Werewolf mafia. Didn't turn out so well did it? (I won with the town >=D) You and Kitty are my top suspects. And it's not because she was mearly the cop, or I would say that about Zach too. It's because I have a feeling that she was on to something, and that's why she is not dead.

WIFOM much? Holy crap.

My problem with your KittyMo vote is that the ONLY reason you have for voting her is the nightkill speculation, which isn't evidence.

Agreed. MrSuave, do have anything else to add to your case on KittyMo?

[Starbuck]

Vote: MrSuave

Most of his Day 1 was worrying about what Nikanor thought of him and posting a lot of fluff. He's admitted to skimming Day 2, and now he's just being completely uncooperative.

[Starbuck]

Uncooperative, as in doing absolutely nothing to scumhunt and coasting through the game.

[Starbuck]

Whether you explained it or not, really means nothing, you sat here and took the lazy way out and let others do everything for you.

[Starbuck]

Uncooperative, as in doing absolutely nothing to scumhunt and coasting through the game.

This is different from what I do because...?

Because I've seen games where he hasn't done this.

[Starbuck]

Vote: MrSuave

Most of his Day 1 was worrying about what Nikanor thought of him and posting a lot of fluff. He's admitted to skimming Day 2, and now he's just being completely uncooperative.

ITT Starbuck takes the case I made on MrSuave yesterday that she just wrote off as "distancing" and presents it as her own today.

I did not take anything from you. Please stop saying that I did things that I DID NOT do.

[Starbuck]

Just because I did something that would clearly put me and MrSuave in the spotlight...means I was trying to shift the focus off myself?

Why are you so concerned about MrSuave?

I'm gonna assume you meant that just because I pushed it not nearly as much on other days, doesn't absolve me of the fact that I pushed it on Day 3. If you look at the percentage of my energy spent on pushing Lowell's lynch on Day 3, it really isn't a whole lot, compared to the percentage of the energy the majority of you spent.

Please don't assume you know what I mean with anything. Assuming leads to misrepresentation and I'm not comfortable that you would do this.

My whole point was that you were pushing Lowell's lynch WHILE NOT BEING ON IT. You were voting for MrSuave, but you spent more time and energy on Lowell.

I think it's stupid how many people sat around waiting for 1 person to do SOMETHING. THERE WERE 9 PEOPLE ALIVE YESTERDAY. THERE WERE PLENTY MORE PEOPLE THAT COULD'VE BEEN ASKED TO PROVIDE STUFF, AND THIS WAS NOT DONE.

I completely agree here. I only replaced in and I can't stand this. I don't know how you all have been doing this for an entire game.

The only sentence here I really think could be considered an AtE is the last one, and that's just because I feel really strongly about that.

I don't believe so.

"It may be in our best interests to have me lynched today because y'all seem to think I'm just so d*mn scummy."

Is also AtE.

[Starbuck]

She could take a solid stance on both Lowell and MrSuave yesterday, but can't take a solid stance on MrSuave today although he held her vote for a good chunk of yesterday.

[Starbuck]

Where is our mod?

Anyone got a current vote count?



Also, pwnman, why don't you read the thread? Give us your opinions? Our mod is AWOL so you have time.

[Starbuck]

Mod - Can you please update your vote counts and the front page to reflect who died and when?

Finishing up sorry been busy, etc ,etc

[Starbuck]

Pwnman, unless you provide content in your next post, my vote will be moving to you for replacing in and stalling this game even further.

[Starbuck]

I'm more leaning towards XScorp than MrSuave. I've played one game prior to this one with XScorp and I really don't remember him being this uninvolved.

[Starbuck]

MrSuave, why did you wait to see what everyone else had to say about voting Nik before you voted him?

[Starbuck]

Vote: MrSuave

The distractions have gone on long enough.