Mafia 104 - Revenge of the Crimson King - Game!

[xRECKONERx]

danakillsu, first off, before you even bother rereading, go ahead and claim. The massclaim has already happened.

[danakillsu]

danakillsu, first off, before you even bother rereading, go ahead and claim. The massclaim has already happened.

I think not. I'm going to read before claiming to make sure I should claim. Trying to force a claim out of someone who just replaced and hasn't read yet? BAD xRECKONERx !

[Socrates]

danakillsu, first off, before you even bother rereading, go ahead and claim. The massclaim has already happened.

I think not. I'm going to read before claiming to make sure I should claim. Trying to force a claim out of someone who just replaced and hasn't read yet? BAD xRECKONERx !

Getting a claim out of you before you have read is the best time to do it because if you are scum you won't know what to fakeclaim to get the best results, and if Reck was lieing about the massclaim someone would have called him out on it.

Claim.

[Socrates]

Slow all this discussion down people. Everybody will get a turn to talk!


I really don't like lynches that are foregone conclusions because it ruins the day since everyone just votes and then goes silent.

I don't really agree with the reasons being presented to switch off of RBT for Raivann. Raivann's silence demonstrates even further that he's guaranteed scum. There is no reason for the town to do the work of an opposing scum faction. If the opposing scum does not kill Raivann tonight, then they face the chance to lose one or members on future nights.

We should lynch RBT, who also seems like to be scum in my book, and let the rest of them sort out Raivann tonight.

I don't have much to add different from this. I have suddenly become a lot more paranoid that Tar is a member of the unrevealed faction, and if he is, I doubt RBT is too, but other than the NK's I have little evidence to support that assertion.

[danakillsu]

claim: Vanilla Townie
Thanks, Socrates. Just needed someone else to confirm RECKONER's words. Will now finish reading. Don't bother trying to get anything out of me for the next half hour.

[danakillsu]

swimmer4lyfe(5)

- Tarhalindur, Empking, Exalt, MonkeyMan576, RayFrost

What do you know? Two of these guys are mafia, and one was a tracker! What about the rest of them? This group seems to be positively rife with special roles. I think we should look carefully at Tarhalindur and Empking (Now Trumpet of Doom). Especially Tarhalindur.

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[danakillsu]

swimmer4lyfe(5)

- Tarhalindur, Empking, Exalt, MonkeyMan576, RayFrost

What do you know? Two of these guys are mafia, and one was a tracker! What about the rest of them? This group seems to be positively rife with special roles. I think we should look carefully at Tarhalindur and Empking (Now Trumpet of Doom). Especially Tarhalindur.

[danakillsu]

Tarhalindur has always voted with either Empking/Trumpet of Doom or MonkeyMan. After reading the entire thread, I can't find any reason not to and can find plenty of reasons to

vote: Tarhalindur

[xRECKONERx]

That's your only thought on the

entire

thread, dana?

[Trumpet of Doom]

...are you fucking serious?

Let's make sure you picked up on all of this:
- There are two mafias and an SK.
- Raivann is scum, but he's almost certainly Jupiter Mafia and I think odds are that he's the last one. We're not lynching him today.
- Tar and RBT are

not

of the same alignment.
- If Tar is scum, he's almost certainly of the unrevealed mafia faction ("shot" is the Jupiter Mafia kill method, and we're pretty confident it's been sunk on Tar at LEAST once). This also makes your claim about Tar voting with MonkeyMan (whether true or not) irrelevant. (Incidentally, I don't think Tar's been voting with Empking/me, either.)
- RBT's claimed Tar is Jupiter Mafia.

Conclusion:

you should be voting Riceballtail right now.

Congratulations, you've just convinced me you're scum.

Question to the other players: If I were to call the unrevealed faction as {RBT, Pads, dana,

maybe

someody else}, how accurate do you think I'd be?

[Tarhalindur]

swimmer4lyfe(5)

- Tarhalindur, Empking, Exalt, MonkeyMan576, RayFrost

What do you know? Two of these guys are mafia, and one was a tracker! What about the rest of them? This group seems to be positively rife with special roles. I think we should look carefully at Tarhalindur and Empking (Now Trumpet of Doom). Especially Tarhalindur.

Craplogic indicative of a scum mindset, and rolefishing to boot. if not for the part of this comment about special roles, it would be a decent point, but as it is you're a) BLATANTLY rolefishing (hunting for special roles? Gee, I wonder why a scum would do so - especially a Mafioso of the unrevealed faction trying to out power roles and other factions), and b) trying to accuse me of being scum for what is by YOUR OWN PREMISE a null tell (I claimed Prison Guard a while back, pay attention scumbag).

Also note that you completely ignore that the existence of a second scumgroup has been all-but-proven... why thanks for claiming unrevealed faction!

Tarhalindur has always voted with either Empking/Trumpet of Doom or MonkeyMan. After reading the entire thread, I can't find any reason not to and can find plenty of reasons to

vote: Tarhalindur

1) Uh, this isn't just craplogic, it's an outright LIE. I voted MonkeyMan D1 (shortly after the Exalt modkill) on the grounds that he was an extremely likely partner of Exalt (a conclusion which, I should note, proved to be absolutely correct); while I unvoted MM after his tracker claim, I was very quick to hop on his wagon again after the D2 morning scene and MM's subsequent breakdown. Neither MonkeyMan nor Empking EVER voted MM.

Likewise, I voted for Annachie D3 (partly as a deadline lynch as my preferred lynch wasn't going to happen, partly because I thought he was scum); MM was dead at the time, and Empking did not join that wagon.

Of the wagons I did share with one or more of {MM, Empking}, one was a deadline wagon (joining is a null tell) and another was a wagon I started and was then barned by multiple Jupiter Mafiosos (and Empking). I fail to see how either of those provide good grounds for calling me scum.

2) Even setting aside the fact that you're lying out your ass and trying to call null tells scum tells, this is STILL craplogic. You're accusing me of being scum for voting with a living player whose alignment is unrevealed and whose player slot I am fairly sure is town. Do I even need to explain why that's complete and total bullshit?

3) I don't see how simple vote correlation consists "plenty of reasons" to vote a player. Especially when I just proved that claim of "correlation" is bullshit.

Oh yeah, one other important fact: Assuming only one surviving Jupiter Mafioso, then if you are scum you MUST be from the unrevealed faction.

I'll need to think it over to be sure, but I'm seriously considering voting you over RBT - because there's no way you're town, and you're even more likely than RBT to be from the unrevealed faction.

Question to the other players: If I were to call the unrevealed faction as {RBT, Pads, dana, maybe someody else}, how accurate do you think I'd be?

Pretty close, I think. The main possible error I can see is that Merkabah or Wicked (or Socrates as an outside shot, though I'll admit that's based mainly on gut ATM) might be unrevealed scum instead of Pads. (If four scum in the unrevealed faction, then I'd guess both Wicked and Pads are in it and Merk is the SK.)

Speaking of Wicked:

Wait a second. Hasn't Pads shown that xRx is confirmed town? Some players seem to still believe that he is SK. I'm confused.

As for the setup, I've been thinking of another possibility. What if the other kill is due to a cult group. Don't cult recruiters have the choice to either recruit or kill during the night. Maybe they chose to recruit the first three nights and now don't want to take any more risks of accidentally picking scum during the night so have decided to kill. I don't know how common cults are in large normals, but the situation seems to point towards that possibility. Thoughts?

Wicked, if it wasn't for the existence of a few other players (RBT, Raivann, and now dana), I would vote you for this post ALONE.

Let's see how bad it is:

- IIoA (no attempt to hunt for who might be in such a hypothetical cult)
- Fearmongering about a possible new scumgroup (STRONG unrevealed tell)
- Fearmongering about a role that is PATENTLY not normal (as FIRMLY evidenced by Mafia 92) in a Normal game (so trying to stir up concern about a possibility that CANNOT EXIST).

That combination up there? It's LYNCHWORTHY. And your head is going to meet the noose on a future day if I have anything to say about it.

We don't know that at all.

I've seen kill flavors distributed in three different ways.

a) Each individual who is a member of a mafia has their own kill flavor.
b) Within a given mafia, each member has the same kill flavor.
c) Within a given mafia, each different role has its own kill flavor.

Uh, Pads... yes we do.

Option A can be discarded for reasons even you admit. Option c) can be discarded because this is a Normal game and that is not a Normal mechanic by any means (as in "I will complain directly to EmpTiger postgame if this is the case")

That leaves B. B implies multiple factions.

Have a nice day.

[Raivann]

Vote:Tarhalindur

"Change we can believe in."

[xRECKONERx]

Vote: RBT

. ToD's logic is solid.

[Raivann]

I know i havent been posting much but I just finished with my fantasy football season and I'm a little rusty.
Tars writing novels and anyone writing that much must have something to prove.
Obviousy he's trying to appear "townie".
Evil walks amongst us and his name is Tar.

[Raivann]

unvote, Vote:Rbt

[xRECKONERx]

Mod, vote count please.

[Socrates]

I believe that was the hammer.

[Tarhalindur]

Unless I missed something, Raivann just hammered.

And by "hammered" I mean "claimed scum".

[Trumpet of Doom]

That should be a lynch.

[Trumpet of Doom]

Ninja'd.

[Riceballtail]

/sigh

Watch me be right at endgame.

[Xylthixlm]

Final Vote Count

Riceballtail -

6

(Tarhalindur, Wickedestjr, Merkabah, Trumpet of Doom, xRECKONERx, Raivann)
Tarhalindur -

2

(Riceballtail, danakillsu)

Not voting: Pads, zoraster, Socrates

With 11 alive it will take 6 to lynch.

[Xylthixlm]

Riceballtail,

Town Villager

, has been lynched.

Night actions are due 72 hours from this post.

[Xylthixlm]

Merkabah,

Town Villager

, was brutally murdered night 5.
TrumpetofDoom,

Town Villager

, died of blood loss night 5.

It is now day 6.

[xRECKONERx]

How the fuck are we not auto-lossed yet. Seems like unrevealed faction should be equal in numbers by now...

Can someone clarify the SK/mafia win con in most normal games? If one faction is equal in number to the uniformed majority (aka town), do they have to eliminate the SK/other mafia factions first, or do they win so long as they match town numbers?