Open 188 - Tweed Mafia - Over!

[KittyMo]

Ello everyone!

I want to be in a game with no RVS. Therefore, I will vote the next person to random vote.

[KittyMo]

Not backing down on my promise:

vote StrangerCoug

.

Well if you don't want an RVS, start some discussion.

Vote:Kittymo

Well, Zach, I was planning on providing another method of discussion, but I had to leave for dance class soon, and didn't have time to come up with one.

Random Questioning Stage: (Please give an actual answer even if part of it is "it's too early to tell)
XScorpion: Who do you expect to be lynched first in this game, and why?
Lowell: Who do you want to be lynched first in this game, and why?
StrangerCoug: Is it scummy to suggest skipping the RVS?
MrSuave: Are you pro-town? (Explain in 100 words or less why.)
Nikanor: Who do you think will survive in this game for a long time, and why?
Locke Lamora: If I were to self-vote right now, what would your reaction be?
yabbaguy: Do you support policy lynches?
Scott Brosius: Why did you decide to join this game in particular?
Zachrulez: What is the scummiest action you can think of off the top of your head, and why?
farside22: How has taking a break from mafia impacted your play as of coming back?
jasonT1981: If I voted you right now with no reasoning, what would you do in response?

Of course, feel free to answer all the questions if you feel called to do so.

Note to self: SC and KittyMo respond frighteningly fast to Day 1 prods

I had no school today, so I was waiting around all day for your game to start. Your internet should work better.

vote:Zachrulez

why the heck not

Cuz I said not to.

[KittyMo]

I want to be in a game with no RVS. Therefore, I will vote the next person to random vote.

Except that your reasoning for placing a vote will rely on the RVS's existence.

Vote: KittyMo.

Obviously, no one had random voted, I would have chosen to vote for a different reason.

RVS can also create chat if people look into things, but telling people you do not want RVS I suspect is a way to form a type of chat on your post alone kittymo.
In short kittymo can either be looked at as trying to stir up convo earlier or not offering discussion with that statement. I'm leaning the former based on the last two post.

This is also a factor in why I posted that even though I didn't have time to come up with question.

Darn simul-posting.

[KittyMo]

Well, Zach, I was planning on providing another method of discussion, but I had to leave for dance class soon, and didn't have time to come up with one.

Perhaps you should have waited till after dance class to post then?

Then the RVS would've gone on while I was gone.

Zachrulez: What is the scummiest action you can think of off the top of your head, and why?

Any particular reason you're interested in specifically what I find scummy?

No? It was just a random question that popped into my head.

[KittyMo]

* Who do you expect to be lynched first in this game, and why?
If I had to guess, it’d probably be me, due to strong reactions to me not wanting to do the RVS.
* Who do you want to be lynched first in this game, and why?
Hmmm. Hard question to answer, since only about half of us are here, but I’d choose Lowell, because I don’t like votes without reasoning on page 1 unless they’re early bandwagoning.
* Is it scummy to suggest skipping the RVS?
No. I don’t really like the RVS; it doesn’t seem all that useful.

* If I were to self-vote right now, what would your reaction be?
Well, there’s a reason that I’m not self-voting right now; I don’t see how it would help the town.

* Are you pro-town? (Explain in 100 words or less why.)
Yes, because DTMaster told me I win with the town.

* Who do you think will survive in this game for a long time, and why?
Hmmm. Based just upon this page, I’d guess Nikanor, just because his post doesn’t strike me as scummy or pro-town.

* Do you support policy lynches?
Sometimes, yes.

* Why did you decide to join this game in particular?
Because DTMaster wanted me to.

* How has taking a break from mafia impacted your play as of coming back?
It’s hard to tell so far, since this is my first game as of being back from a break, but I think it’s given me a new excitement for playing and wanting to try out new stuff.

* If I voted you right now with no reasoning, what would you do in response?
See self-voting question?

Any particular reason you're interested in specifically what I find scummy?

No? It was just a random question that popped into my head.

Are you saying that you actually want me to answer that particular question?

I can think of a good reason not to.

I didn’t really think about it that much, honestly. Your name was close to the bottom of the list, so I was running low on ideas. If you would like to answer a different question, go ahead.

[KittyMo]

See, my thought when I see a question like that is that of a scum player who wants to know what NOT TO DO in a mafia game, a scum player who might be paticularly worried about being caught by a specific player. (You'd have to know my history with Kittymo to fully understand what I'm getting at.)

I pretty much know what you find scummy, Zach, so if that was the reason I was asking, I would ask someone else that question, like someone very experienced (you know about my irrational fear of them, especially when I play as scum xD), or ask Nikanor, because at least on irc, he always seems to catch me as scum, and I am not entirely sure why. But the main point of the question survey was to ask questions relevant to the game at hand, which is why I didn't ask things like "What's your favorite power role: cop, doctor, or vig?" or random game theory that doesn't apply here.

Hmmm. Hard question to answer, since only about half of us are here, but I’d choose Lowell, because I don’t like votes without reasoning on page 1 unless they’re early bandwagoning.

Is it ok on page 2 then?

As the game progresses, it becomes less and less acceptable, imo.

If kitty can keep up this intensity throughout she'll be an asset. If shecan't than this will be a waste of our time.

Explain por favor? Keep up this intensity throughout what? What do you mean by "this"? Why will "this" be a waste of our time?

[KittyMo]

[quote="Zachrulez]Still, it seems like a strange question to ask, mainly because answering it tells people exactly what to avoid doing in order to prevent me from finding them scummy.

Do you disagree with that assessment?[/quote]
No, I don't disagree that it could be taken that way. I do disagree that I meant it that way. Is that clear?

[KittyMo]

KittyMo: What's the whole point of this method? It's a concept, and it beats RVS, but it's also poorly executed.

Yeah, I am aware of the fact that I failed. The point was to try a different start to the game that wasn't the RVS. I guess we'll see how much it actually failed later on.

And there's your answer. Question #2: Now what?

You're asking me to figure out what you should do next for you? o.O

[KittyMo]

See, I thought you had a purpose of some convoluted sort. I thought you were operating under the belief that somehow the responses were going to get us somewhere, hence "now what?"

Actually, I was planning to just wing it. (Which I guess is an oxymoron.) It would certainly help if more than 4 people had actually answered the questions.

Since I apparently fail so much, what better plan would you like to grace us with?

[KittyMo]

Since I apparently fail so much, what better plan would you like to grace us with?

Unvote: yabbaguy
Vote: KittyMo

If one plan for generating discussion fails, try another yourself. Don't ask people to generate discussion for you.

...that was my point. I was saying that if he seemed to have such a problem with the way I was doing things, shouldn't he come up with something different to do?

Kitty: why do you think you've failed? You obviously don't know how this is going to pan out later on, so this attitude strikes me as a little AtE-ish.

While trying to stop the RVS from happening isn't as going as well as I'd hoped, I don't honestly think I've completely failed. Yabbaguy, however, seems to think so. The post of mine StrangerCoug just quoted was semi-sarcastic. Apparenty that didn't transfer over the internet well? :/

/leaving my house

[KittyMo]

Limited Access

until the new battery charger cable for my laptop comes in the mail. :<

Noted - DTM

[KittyMo]

MY BATTERY CABLE CAME!!

So now it's ketchup time.

Sorry, still here will catch up.

How long does it take to catch up on a 5 page thread? Not much longer than making this post. Where'd ya go, Scott?

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Kay, in response to XScorpion's case on moi:

I had no school today, so I was waiting around all day for your game to start.

Well, Zach, I was planning on providing another method of discussion, but I had to leave for dance class soon, and didn't have time to come up with one.

You were waiting around all day...but didn't have enough time? What's up with that?

Didn't start writing the post til he opened the thread. I suppose I could've started writing it earlier, but I don't understand how that makes me scummy to have not done that.

Obviously, IF no one had random voted, I would have chosen to vote for a different reason.

Surely you didn't actually believe that everyone was going to agree and cancel out the RVS?

If people did continue to RV, I, as I did, would vote the first person to random vote. If no one did RV, I would have chosen to vote for a different reason. Why was this not obvious?

Quick question for both. How is it what she did, did not promote discussion?

The only reason it promoted discussion is because people saw her as suspicious for trying to discourage one of the most common ways to begin discussion.

I can see that you find what I did to be stupid and/or anti-town. But do you really think what I did made me more likely to be town? IMO it would be stupid for scum to put themselves in the spotlight at the very beginning of the game. That's exactly what they're trying NOT to do.

Hmmm. Hard question to answer, since only about half of us are here, but I’d choose Lowell, because I don’t like votes without reasoning on page 1 unless they’re early bandwagoning.

Does this mean my vote for you had reasoning? Also, do you think Lowell's vote is scummier than MrSuave's absence?

1. Your vote for me had more reason than Lowell's did.
2. MrSuave wasn't absent as long as many other players were, so I don't get why you're asking me about him specifically. That said, no, I don't think his "absence" was as scummy as Lowell's vote.

...which is why I didn't ask things like "What's your favorite power role: cop, doctor, or vig?"...

I am suspicious about someone being the first in the thread to mention power roles, even in this context.

That just sounds like you already convinced yourself I was scummy so you decided to find reasons I'm scummy that aren't even scummy. How, in context, do you think what I said would lead to rolefishing, especially since I didn't continue to push talking about power roles?

You're asking me to figure out what you should do next for you? o.O

Would you like to explain why you don't want to give any suggestions of what is best for town?

I don't, in general, have a problem with doing that. Just the way he asked me to figure out what to do next felt weird to me at the time.

P.S. Today is the first day I actually read the whole thread. Does anyone want to explain why my insanely anti-town behaviour hasn't warranted a single vote? At most I got a few slaps on the wrists from Yabba and Locke, but really...I mean, if I was anyone else in this game, I would probably be voting myself already out of policy (oh wait, I already did. Lol.) Just pointing out that it seems strange for there to be so much discussion about certain players, yet if I was scum (and wasn't acting like a jackass with my anti-townness) I would breeze through day 1 almost completely unnoticed.

Obviously, because not everyone agrees with policy voting, and because anti-town does not equal scumminess. If this were true, bad players would always be scum, and since the Mod does not always make bad players scum, this is a fallacy. It would make the game of Mafia a lot easier for town if pro-town people weren't anti-town, but that's not the case.

Also, if you're so concerned with scum going under the radar, why did you vote me, the player currently most mentioned, besides, perhaps, MrSuave?

And finally, WHY DIDN'T YOU READ THE ENTIRE THREAD?

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Not really liking this case on me, not liking MrSuave's meta cases on Nikanor, and not liking Scott for the post I mentioned above, though he is getting replaced. Locke needs to lurk less. I'm happy with Jason getting a replacement.

StrangerCoug's not bugging me, so I'm going to

unvote

. As I continue to catch up, I'll find a place for my vote.

Also, my birthday's tomorrow, so I'm not planning on posting then~

Yay Happy Birthday! Have a cake. But unfortunately this person took it. Sworry. :< - DTM

[KittyMo]

This does not answer my question. Did you actually suspect that the latter case (no one RVs) was likely to happen?

What I guessed would happen is that a couple people would still Random Vote, but that it would cause fewer people to random vote.

WIFOM, and I'm really basing this on my last game... a goon disrupted RVS and started a RQ(uestion)S with the purpose of trying to gather information about town for the scum to use. He got lynched day 1 (due to my preemptive hammer vote), so I'm leaning towards the same thing going on here.

> What kinds of questions did he ask?
> Which of my questions in particular think are information about town for the scum to use? How would they be more helpful to scum than town?
> Do you have any reasons to believe that I play scum the same way the guy you're talking about does?

I'm not incredibly concerned about scum going under the radar, but I think others should give it some thought. As I said, if I was scum I would have easily made it through day 1 already without anyone seriously questioning me.

If you are not concerned about it, why do you think others would be? Do you believe all the scum are people thoroughly mentioned? If so, why would you be trying to tell people something you don't believe? >>

I tend to have more success in catching scum when the scum in question is attacking me...maybe this only happens in newbie games, but every scum I've caught so far was caught after he/she attacked me. It seems that general opinion here is that scum aren't going to fall for that this time around.

How often do town players attack you?

I suspect that what I did might have generated more discussion if you hadn't been drawing so much attention already.

Huh?

[KittyMo]

While I didn't expect EVERYONE to come down on me, there is usually at least a few people who put pressure on lurkers...I'm surprised that there is nothing like that going on in this game. I do not believe that all scum are thoroughly mentioned, but I believe it likely that at least one of them is. Obviously I would feel more comfortable if there were no lurkers, but I realize that such a situation is very unlikely on day 1.
My mindset now is that I believe that there are 1-2 scum among active players, and 0-1 scum amongst the lurkers. Today I feel it best for me to focus on active players, then tomorrow I will likely be lurker hunting if necessary. I did not expect everyone to share my mindset, hence my surprise that no one has attacked me yet.

I'm starting to get really confused. You WANT people to attack you for lurking, but your main method of scumhunting is to catch scum making crappy attacks on you?

Also, there's 3 scum in this setup. Where's the missing number coming from?

I don't believe it is very productive to speculate on what scum might or might not say to get information about town.

Basically, I want you to explain which of my questions you think someone who is not town would ask. Since you have yet to do that; you've just said that some guy in a game you played with a while back asked scummy questions.

No, but on the flip-side, I have no reasons to believe that your play is more town than scum.

You seriously have no reason whatsoever to believe I'm town? That's pretty sad.

How often do town players attack you?

As town, I've found that most lynches on me have actually been lead by scum...go figure.[/quote]
That's not really what I asked.

[KittyMo]

This argument is coming to a standstill because you are so convinced in your tunnel vision that you're not considering the fact that I could be town. You're not allowing anything I say to sink in.

Until you bring up a point that isn't "I think this is scummy because I think it's scummy and you can't change what I think is scummy," I'm not going to respond to your case anymore because it's a waste of the small amount of time we have before reaching the deadline.

I hope that at some point during Day 1 you'll at least look at who my supposed scumbuddies are or do something besides claiming that people who are the most anti-town are scummy, when you've been being anti-town on purpose.

I'ma go iso people and also decide if you're overconfident-tunnelvisioning-hypocritical town that can't even remember how many scum they need to lynch or if you are scum.

[KittyMo]

Zach talking about something I said that has absolutely nothing to do with Lowell suggests I'm scum with Lowell?

Um, what?

[KittyMo]

Here's the bottom half of my scumlist. (I tried to order it as best I could, but I keep wanting to reorder it...meh):

MrSuave
Zachrulez
StrangerCoug
XScorpion
Lowell
SCUM

I've seen MrSuave as a doctor that refused to claim and got lynched Day 1, so I'm not very confident in my ability to read him. The main thing that bothers me about him is that he's done nothing all game except talk to and about Nikanor. I don't think he's really commented on anything else.

Suave - what do you think of people who are not Nikanor? Could you please make a big catch-up post since you've been ignoring most of the thread?

Zachrulez, because I know if he is scum he wants me dead ASAP, and I don't understand his inability to read me well. (Yes, this is pretty much all meta.)

StrangerCoug, just because of gut. I don't really know what it is about him that bugs me, but there's something there.

XScorpion, because he's being a hypocrite:
(And tunneling horribly.)

I operate on the assumption that whoever has the most anti-town behaviour is most likely to be scum.

P.S. Today is the first day I actually read the whole thread.

Does anyone want to explain why my insanely anti-town behaviour hasn't warranted a single vote?

At most I got a few slaps on the wrists from Yabba and Locke, but really...I mean, if I was anyone else in this game, I would probably be voting myself already out of policy (oh wait, I already did. Lol.) Just pointing out that it seems strange for there to be so much discussion about certain players, yet if I was scum (

and wasn't acting like a jackass with my anti-townness

) I would breeze through day 1 almost completely unnoticed.

And Lowell - I've been getting bad vibes from him since his first post, and nothing he's said since has eased that.

Vote: Lowell

. Why don't you start playing better now? Why do we have to wait for you to do that tomorrow?

[KittyMo]

Here's the bottom half of my scumlist. (I tried to order it as best I could, but I keep wanting to reorder it...meh):

MrSuave
Zachrulez
StrangerCoug
XScorpion
Lowell
SCUM

So those closer to the bottom are people you are more suspicious of?

Yup. Cut off the top half of the list since it's so close to deadline. I'm not really interested in giving scum a who-to-NK list.

How does a potential scum motive for me translate to how scummy you find me? That is just strange.

Also, yes, it has historically been true that you have been a lot better at reading me than I have been at reading you, but like the first statement, I don't understand how this statement makes me scummy.

I don't think it's damning evidence, but I think it increases your likelihood of being scum. Now that I think about it, you probably should be higher on my list. Uggggggh.

Sorry, having a crappy day. I would probably be taking a nap right now instead of posting if tomorrow wasn't deadline day.

[KittyMo]

Any chance we should do some sort of mass copclaim situation? Can we use two cops to our advantage here or what?

Today, I want to hear more from:
* Jazzmyn
* Locke Lamora
* nhammen

And now would be a good time to reread the thread. >> Back at a later date with more content.

[KittyMo]

I think nhammen's scum.

Scott Brosius /ins, saying that he wasn't in enough games. 4 days later, when the thread is at 5 pages, he tells us that he's sorry and needs to catch up. How much time/effort does it take to catch up on a 5 page thread? I mean, really? And so then nhammen shows up, with a pretty standard scumlist, without much explanation for it. His posts are pretty bare of content, and he just generally doesn't look like he's scumhunting. My vote needs a place, so I'll go ahead and

vote: nhammen

Looking back on Day 1, farside pretty much chainsaw-defended and buddied me all day, while also talking about meta, even though she said herself it's a topic she doesn't like to get on. And I find it really odd how she could be attacking everyone that attacked me for so long, and now she suddenly thinks I'm really scummy.

There's also something off about StrangerCoug. One post that bugs me is this one:

Wouldn't it be better to think of the possible motives for yabbaguy's death first?

Where he seems to be trying to direct people toward nightkill discussion without adding to the discussion at all.

However, I'm starting to get a more neutral read on him.

MrSuave NEEDS TO POST CONTENT. I swear he's trying to avoid posting anything useful. All I've seen him do is talk about Nikanor, promise to catch up and then not really give any input for a good 14-15 days, claiming the holiday is the reason for this. He also has yet to vote or talk about anyone being scum except Nikanor. I'm not really sure if this is scummy, but it is definitely ridiculous.

Let's see, Lowell. All he's really done is act blatantly scummy and attack Zach. I'd really like to hear his thoughts on the game in general.

That's basically what's down in KittyMo-town. Anyone with other questions should let me know. Anyone I didn't mention I am having issues reading or think they're pro-town.

...oops, forgot to respond to Jazz's case.

in 27, she answered her own questions, also quite pointless, but I notice that she managed to slip in an unnecessary soft claim, which is scummy.

I disagree that it was pointless since someone specifically asked me to answer my own questions. I don't see the soft claim you're talking about.

I didn't like her snipping at yabba for questioning her "plan" and responding to him with snark coupled with what looks like an appeal to emotion.

At that point I was just sick of everyone "questioning" my "plan." I have a tendency to get overemotional, but I really didn't appreciate at the time him saying the following:

See, I thought you had a purpose of some convoluted sort. I thought you were operating under the belief that somehow the responses were going to get us somewhere, hence "now what?"

So, if "nothing" is the answer... well yeah... it kinda failed.

In 172, in her response to XS's accusations against her, she utilizes WIFOM "IMO it would be stupid for scum to put themselves in the spotlight at the very beginning of the game. That's exactly what they're trying NOT to do" which is meh.

Just based on personal experience, I very, very rarely see scum put themselves in the spotlight early in the game. I remember my first game as scum, and on Day 1 I was absolutely terrified of being attacked early on, and definitely focused more on acting protown than pretending to scumhunt and such things. You can call it WIFOM if you want, but that's my experience.

Also, I see a possible slip when she says, "I can see that you find what I did to be stupid and/or anti-town. But do you really think what I did made me more likely to be

town?"

(my bolding) For that sentence to make any sense, that should have said scum, not town.

When I'm preparing a post, I often backspace and edit things so they sound better, which makes other things come out wrong, and causing me to make freudian slips. I do this often; if you're the kind of person that looks at meta, you can see for yourself, or if you'd like me to quote past games I can.

Then, she responded further to XS in 183 and 185 but then abruptly refused to do so any further. I'm not a fan of "this discussion is over" type of copouts.

It's just...not really a good use of anyone's time to respond to the same points over and over. The conversation was really becoming a distraction to finding scum IMO. That's why I decided to stop responding.

In 242, shortly before deadline, she made extremely weak cases on a few players: top scum suspect Lowell because of "bad vibes"; XS for "being a hypocrite" and "tunneling horribly"; SC "just a gut feeling; Zach "because if he's scum he wants her dead asap"; and MrS because of his preoccupation with Nik and because she can’t read him. None of those are legitimate cases

Again, this is more of a meta thing for me. I'm the kind of girl that makes the long, pretty, well-thought out cases as scum because I don't actually have to figure out who the scum are, and the kind of girl that's really wishy-washy and is not among the greatest scumhunters you'll ever meet. Yeah, those are crap cases, but that's really what I was going on at the time.

I think that's all. I'm actually not done revising this post to make sure it makes sense, but I'm posting it anyways cuz I have to go to bed right now. ><

[KittyMo]

Lowell is at L-?

I'm really not excited by farside's deflection of me noting her sudden change of opinion on me a couple pages back, and her constant bringing up meta over the course of the game even though she supposedly doesn't believe in meta is ridiculous.

Meh. I'm gonna go ahead and

unvote; vote: farside22

.

And @Jazzmyn: Would you prefer me to not respond at all to posts that I only have a WIFOM defense for, or is it better to provide that WIFOM defense? Because I personally think the latter is more useful than absolutely no response. I realize that WIFOM defense is not the most helpful thing ever.

And I still don't understand why softclaiming the fact that you are of a pro-town alignment is scummy when answering the question "Why are you pro-town?"

[KittyMo]

Well she clears me so I'm game. I'll believe it.

...read the first post please.

[KittyMo]

Well she clears me so I'm game. I'll believe it.

Also, you're completely willing to believe a claim

just because it clears you?

[KittyMo]

I'm definitely not buying this. Why would you scan Lowell instead of your main target yesterday, Mr. Suave?

:goodposting:

[KittyMo]

Well she clears me so I'm game. I'll believe it.

XSCORPION, ZACHRULEZ

YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS POST PLEASE?

[KittyMo]

Farsiiiiiiide.

So you believe your result Farside?

Answer the question please.

it's a lot of WIFOM with the tailor. I have to think what are the odds of scum targeting the same person I targeted. There was 2 clear front runners for day 1 lynch. If scum wanted to pick between 2 it's possible the picked the same person I targeted for investigation.

So what'd you come up with in your thought process...?

[KittyMo]

Well she clears me so I'm game. I'll believe it.

XSCORPION, ZACHRULEZ

YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS POST PLEASE?

Hold on... more pressing matter first.

Comment now por favor?

[KittyMo]

I also don't like the fact that the claim came unrequested.

I'm at L-1 when should I claim. Afterward? Or should I wait for someone to hammer me first unclaimed?

Generally people claim when someone expresses interest in hammering or someone asks them to claim.

[KittyMo]

I also don't like the fact that the claim came unrequested.

I'm at L-1 when should I claim. Afterward? Or should I wait for someone to hammer me first unclaimed?

Generally people claim when someone expresses interest in hammering or someone asks them to claim.

I thought for a moment that scorpion did hammer before I checked the vote count. I thought for a moment someone hammered without asking for a claim.

...and that's when you make big glittery text that says "PLEASE ASK FOR A CLAIM BEFORE YOU HAMMER."

Lowell, where'd you go?

[KittyMo]

Dear Lowell,

Stop lurking,
!
Love,
Tweedom

[KittyMo]

<--- going to sleep

I really think farside's scum.

I really hope so too, because in my many months of forum mafia playing I have never been on a scum-lynching bandwagon.

Let's hope a historic moment occurs soon!

<3 Kitty
P.S. Sorry for all the short+silly posts

[KittyMo]

Well she clears me so I'm game. I'll believe it.

Lowell - Please tell me how this post could come from anyone except scum who has been tailored. I seriously cannot think of any other perspective.

[KittyMo]

The tailor, based on my understanding, targets someone at night and that makes their target appear innocent to cop investigation.

[KittyMo]

The tailor, based on my understanding, targets someone at night and that makes their target appear innocent to cop investigation.

Not quite, the target returns a false result.

Guilty if town, innocent if scum.

Oh wow, missed the framing part. That's definitely good to know.

[KittyMo]

DTMaster, it appears you've forgotten Starbuck replaced in.

Speaking of Starbuck, hello again. What are your thoughts on the game?

Lowell, MrSuave, and nhammen - why didn't you vote Farside yesterday?

That is all.

[KittyMo]

Also, DTMaster, I want farside lynch flavor. >_>

HOS Lowell

for now.

[KittyMo]

Buddying up is a tactic, usually used by members of the Mafia, to try to make yourself look less threatening. Typically the Mafia member will try to be friendly in some way, either outright or, more often, subtly. If the Mafia member is ever lynched at some point, and other players have noticed the buddying, it tends to throw suspicion on the person the Mafia was being friendly towards, thereby causing confusion even after the Mafioso's death.

Buddying up is a tactic used by scum on town, typically, nhammen...so I really don't understand what you're getting at here.

[KittyMo]

what about chainsaw defense?

If you mean chainsaw defense, then say chainsaw defense. Acknowledging the fact that farside used a tactic on me that makes me more likely to be town and then turning around and saying something else is dumb.

[KittyMo]

The real idiocy here is, why is Lowell still alive? Hurry up and lynch please, I wanna go look for the next scum.

Discussion is good is why.

Plus, can't you keep your vote on Lowell and still look for the next scum?

[KittyMo]

So you think the scum didn't buss farside?

[KittyMo]

Technically yes but I want to be 100% sure Lowell is scum first.

a) There's no such thing as 100% sure that someone is scum.

I thought he meant that he wanted to lynch Lowell in order to be 100% sure Lowell's scum.

[KittyMo]

well, aparantly I was prodded. I can tell you now that I'm not scum. Other than the fact that I'm not posting very much, what else is there?

Who do you think is scum?

[KittyMo]

Actually, MrSuave: Do you even care about finding the scum? Because you've pretty much shown no indication that you do.

[KittyMo]

vote MrSuave

Lowell's lynch is just as good if not better, but I mean, just look at what MrSuave posted on Day 2 and Day 3. It's ridiculous. We don't need Lowell at L-1 yet, in my opinion.

[KittyMo]

Okay, so we've already established that all MrSuave did day 1 was talk about Nikanor's meta and how Nikanor is scummy and blah blah blah.

End of Day 1:

well, let me re-read the thread. I know I havn't really focused on anyone else atm, so I'll try and catch up. it's just a little rough, I'm working a seasonal job, on top of my regular job, so bear with me.

That's cool and all that you have a life irl, but you don't seem to have had any problems responding to stuff regarding Nikanor.

well... this isn't much of a deadline I'll tell you that

Nice. Where's your PBPA?

Beginning of Day 2 (Here I will quote every single post he made Day 2.)

hello again Jazzmyn! welcome to the game! any kind of mass claim is bad IMO. it always makes things more confusing. having 2 cops is good enough. with them scum hunting goes out the window >_>

This post is okay. It's been a week since he promised to catch up, though.

I see this thread has no mercy for new years and world wide holidays. I see I see. well I'm going to catch up on my games and I'll post when I've done that.

It's been 5 days since his last post...and 12 since he promised to catch up...and yet other games come before this one. Yes, I see how it is.

well, apparently this town needs my input. hm... I don't agree with you that I am scum, but I do agree this game needs some excitment. the whole no lynch at the end of day one was epic phailure, and game us no information. we need to put someone up in a tree to get something hard to pick appart. that's my opinion anyway.

2 days after the last one...2 weeks since he promised to catch up. Talks about wanting to start some excitement, but doesn't provide any information to help the town do so.

Nah, but I figure if both Lowell and Farside turn up scum then losing 1 townie (me) won't be an absolute disaster for town. I'm a big fan of martyrdom

uh... I still don't see the point. like... really. if what you say is true, and you are a town, why would you set yourself up to the noose? that just doesn't make any sense to me. FOS on the Xbug

This is the same day as the last one. Yay, finally he made a content post! However, I don't understand why he doesn't just vote XScorpion here. He hasn't voted since...his random vote on Nikanor, actually, which he unvoted like halfway through Day 1. XScorpion responds to this, but MrSuave never finds time to further comment.

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Lowell is at L-?

3 days later, he decides to grace us with this post. I've lost count how many days it's been since he said he'd freakin catch up. He doesn't even talk about whether Lowell's scummy or not here, just asks for a vote count.

Day 3 post:

well, aparantly I was prodded. I can tell you now that I'm not scum. Other than the fact that I'm not posting very much, what else is there?

Where've you been? 7 days since your last post. Yes, part of that was during night, but he missed the entire farside wagon. Also, what the hell kind of post is this? "Ohhhh so I got prodded for not saying anything? Well, I'm not scum, and so I'm going to announce this to everyone. I'm not even going to talk about finding scum."

MrSuave is clearly not looking for scum. I've never played with him before, so I don't really know his meta, but this is just horrid.

[KittyMo]

Don't want to lynch MrSuave today.

Maybe tomorrow.

I'd rather lynch Lowell today too probably.

But Suave needs to post content.

NOW

.

[KittyMo]

MrSuave was also one of Farside's major targets, which is another reason to give pause to the idea of lynching him.

That's a good point. That'd be one hell of a buss to be keeping up. farside was generally playing pretty oddly, though...hmm. *goes to iso farside*

[KittyMo]

V/LA til lateish Monday

Woo snow camp!

[KittyMo]

-Well right now I don't like how Zach is just going along with what you're saying, so probably one of you, or both.

What do you mean?

-Do I care? Yes. Am I good at finding scum is big groups? Not so much. Near the end I'll become more useful. Think of fire emblem, your good end game members suck at the start.

So the newbie setup is too large of a group for you to actually start scumhunting? Why do you even sign up for mini games if you're not going to even flipping play the first half or 2/3 of the game?

(btw I like my personalized analysis thing xD)

I...don't even know what to say to that. That's really your only comment about my big long analysis post showing how you are a liar and have been not trying at all to find any scum for the entirety of Day 2 and Day 3?

a) thinks scum bussed farside for some reason, and that obv. town Kitty and/or Zach are "probably" scum (yeah ok </sarcasm>).

When did I become obvtown? Earlier you were soooo pushing Me/Lowell/Farside.

Same question for Zach.

At one point she notices Farside, Zach, and Kitty make some kind of voting triangle, and that's why they are more likely than Nik. Zach and Kitty are my top two, I don't have a top.

What exactly are you talking about here with a voting triangle? I'm staring at the vote counts, and the only time us 3 have had votes in common would be Zach and I both voting farside on Day 2, and Zach & I being on the Lowell wagon while farside was on your wagon during day 1. Zachrulez has also voted me and farside has voted Zach on Day 1 as well. So basically, huh? And is this "voting triangle" thing Jazz supposedly mentioned really the only reason you think I'm scummy...?

I'll post more thoughts later.

Guess we'll be seeing him in 5 days...

[KittyMo]

To be honest, MrSuave, I think Jazzmyn died just because she was so flipping obvtown. I also think that's why yabbaguy died. They were not only both clearly protown, but they both caught onto farside, our confirmed scum.

Also, you seem to be misrepping Jazzmyn's opinions.

Zachrulez: Nothing in Zach's posts so far has screamed scummy to me, other than a deflection in one of his posts to Lowell, in which he deflected suspicion onto MrS regarding meta.

Where did you get that Zach was on her scumlist from this? This is the only post she made saying he was scummy whatsoever. Every other post she made was agreeing with him.

Also, Jazz *really* thought Lowell was scum, so if you're basing so much on what Jazz said, why are you ignoring this?

I think you need to stop taking pieces of what Jazzmyn said and not looking at the entire picture, and then using that as your reasoning.

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MrSuave was also one of Farside's major targets, which is another reason to give pause to the idea of lynching him.

You say something, and he pretty much says "yeah"

...no, not really.

well, I think I'd be better scum, but when I'm stuck as town, yes I appear useless at the start. but I am forming opinions. D-1 is just the luck of the draw, D-2 I wasn't there for pretty much, but I would have said something if I was. why do I sign up? well how will I ever play scum if I don't join games right? xD

I seriously don't understand why you sign up for 12 player games with the hope that you'll end up scum, and then ignore the game until it gets to smaller than the start of a newbie setup if you happen to end up as town.

well I disagree with the lier part, but I agree with the not being here. what else was there to say?

So you're telling me that a catch up post 25 days after it's said to come "soon" is not a lie? Why the hell did it take you 25 days to catch up?

and way to throw a low blow at the end. why did you even bother? to make me look bad? tsk tsk tsk

Can't you tell that I am really, really annoyed at you for your lack of actual posting and then when you do show up, making attacks on people that make no sense? Don't you see a problem with the fact that you haven't voted since your random vote? Do you honestly think I have any reason to expect that you'd come back to make a responding post within a reasonable amount of time?

[KittyMo]

DTMaster - prod Starbuck please

And if that doesn't work...

Nikanor - prod DTMaster with your fists

[KittyMo]

vote MrSuave

Lowell's lynch is just as good if not better, but I mean, just look at what MrSuave posted on Day 2 and Day 3. It's ridiculous. We don't need Lowell at L-1 yet, in my opinion.

unvote, vote kitty

. This has struck me the most since the new day opening. Kitty thinks I'm a good lynch, but wants to play it slow and vote someone else. She's setting up a lynch of me, but doesn't want to be the one responsible. If I die and flip town, she'll then be able to pursue scopion or nik, or one of the others more swayed by farside's dying words.

That she's basically attacking a strawman while keeping the option of my lynch open (possibly as the hammer) makes me think she's trying to massage her image.

Um, no, dude. I'm just trying to get MrSuave to talk for the most part. I still want to lynch you, but I don't think hammering you right now would be very helpful because Starbuck needs to catch up, and we still have plenty of time for discussion. I don't believe that I would be "escaping responsibility for your lynch" considering I've been pushing your lynch as much as pretty much everyone on your wagon.

I also find it interesting that you seem to be randomly pushing OMGUS votes and hoping one of them gets a wagon behind it.

What do you mean by "massaging my image"? What part of my attacks on MrSuave are strawmanning? Why did you change your votes from Zachrulez (who you seemed pretty d*mn sure was scum) and XScorpion?

[KittyMo]

Even more bizarre is that his points make sense.

No, they don't.

[KittyMo]

Yeah they do.

If you bring up your iso, you've pretty much been all about MrSuave after you paid lip service to a Lowell lynch that has had a lot more interest.

All right. In the future I'll make sure to remember that cutting off discussion and pushing the same lynch everyone else is is a towntell.

Also, looking back about 10 pages, I was the first one to suggest to MrSuave that he talk about people other than Nikanor. This is not something I invented starting today. I just noticed that he hadn't caught up after 20+ days of saying he would to me.

@kitty- when I consider the scummiest actions the bandwagon on me after farside's death, then unfortunately OMGUS is what I'm left with.

The more I look at it, the less scorpion or zach really make sense as scum. Clearly farside was trying to set this up after her death, and I doubt the scum would so eagerly jump on this wagon. They'd lose whatever cred they had the following day.

I think you give yourself too much credit. Getting you lynched is something scum could easily get away with without losing any "cred" because pretty much everyone still alive thinks you should be lynched. I don't really see how staying off the wagon gives me more "credit."

And look at farside's interaction with ME and tell me she was not doing the exact thing you're accusing me of doing to you.

[KittyMo]

discussion and pushing the same lynch everyone else is is a towntell.

Towntell as in something that pro-town people should do and do do. That came out a bit weird.

[KittyMo]

Yeah they do.

If you bring up your iso, you've pretty much been all about MrSuave after you paid lip service to a Lowell lynch that has had a lot more interest.

All right. In the future I'll make sure to remember that cutting off discussion and pushing the same lynch everyone else is is a towntell.

Which is why you paid lip service to Lowell being the best lynch while voting for Suave?

That doesn't really make sense.

I was being sarcastic.

[KittyMo]

MrSuave, 'throwing your vote around' helps the town get a read on you. I don't know why you'd hesitate to vote someone you think is scum if you were town. I think the real reason for why you're not voting Kitty is because you don't want to seem like you're hopping on the wagon that Lowell just started, which you're doing anyway by saying she's scummy, by the way. Just because you're not voting her doesn't mean you're not jumping on the bandwagon.

Well, technically MrSuave started calling me scummy before Lowell did...

[KittyMo]

Hi Starbuck.

There was a segment during Day 2 where I was a bit lurky, but for the rest of the game I think I have an above average posting amount...

Most votes on Page 1 aren't for a reason. So why do you support early bandwagoning (which a good chunk of people find to be scummy) over people random voting?

Early bandwagonning usually provides information. Voting because someone else's avatar reminds you of blueberry pie is not quite as helpful.

I don't think you've even stated why you don't like the Random Voting Stage.

I don't like it all that much just because it seems overdone and not very helpful. Actually, the last game I played with Locke Lamora started with questions, and I think that generally made the game more scumhunting-based toward the beginning of the game rather than joking around. If I recall correctly, your scumbuddy bussed you hard day 1. I replaced in later. The town won in a 9 player game with only 1 power role (a tracker) and 1 mislynch.

Now you've stated why you don't like RVS, so why isn't it useful?

I think it generally sets up Day 1 for having a lot of kidding around and wasting time. There's a reason that scum have a really low chance of being lynched Day 1, and I think it has something to do with the fact that for the first half or 2/3 of day 1 in many games people are like "lalala let's talk about random crap" and then when the deadline starts getting close people are basically lynching randomly because there's so little actual information available.

QFT

I'm also not a fan of Kitty's AtE in that quote.

I'm an emotional person, okay? I think I've been accused of appealing to emotion 10+ times in this game, and I guess it's just because I'm naturally a whiny person. It has little to do with my alignment.

You've been on this site long enough to know that almost 98% of games start with some kind of RVS. So your theorizing about "if no one did RV" doesn't fly with me at all.

You are trying to give yourself an out where there isn't one.

...huh?

Why are you trying to lead into a discussion that will be a complete distraction from the game?

I disagree that it was a distraction. XScorpion kept repeating the fact that the questions I was asking were scummy questions without saying which ones and what about them in particular was scummy.

So why are you jumping all over X for his vote on you, rather than anyone else for their votes on you?

How does what I said there have anything to do with "jumping all over him" whatsoever?

[KittyMo]

What was Kitty saying that I was agreeing with?

Regardless of any of the things we may agree on, her vote on you seems distracting. She's pursuing your lynch while seeming to be of the opinion that Lowell is the better lynch. Does nothing about that look just a bit off to you?

Basically, here's the boat I'm in - Lowell seems pretty scummy, but I have this sinking feeling I'm missing something here, about who the scum is. I am starting to doubt whether I really believe a wagon pushed this hard could have a scum flip. That is main thing making me uncomfortable here.

I don't think it's reasonable to say that I'm being "distracting" by getting a player that has posted next to no content to read up and give their thoughts on the game. I also don't think it's reasonable to call that a scummy action. I don't think anything about my behavior or anything I said shows that I was looking to get MrSuave lynched. Absolutely not - my purpose was to call him out for a ridiculous lack of content thus far. I don't understand what about that is "distracting." What meaningful discussion that was taking place today was I distracting from?

I've made some mistakes this game, but getting MrSuave to post content is not one of them. Actually, my vote has pretty much served its purpose.

Unvote

pending reread. Please keep up the activity, though, Suave. [/b]

[KittyMo]

I don't think anything about my behavior or anything I said shows that I was looking to get MrSuave lynched.

Except that you voted for him to be lynched. That's what a vote is - a vote to have that person killed.

There's this thing called a pressure vote. I take it you think it's not a good reason for voting for someone?

[KittyMo]

That's the entire post where you vote MrSuave. I don't see anything there indicating anything other than that you were 'looking to get MrSuave lynched.'

I think I was overreacted just a bit isoing him. My main purpose was to put pressure on him to say something.

[KittyMo]

Sick and won't be posting much if at all.

Too sick to go to school = too sick for mafia.

[KittyMo]

Hi. I'm still sick (I've had this same d*mn cold for 4 weeks today!), and my grandpa died yesterday. I hope things are going better for the rest of you.

MrSuave's vote on me: I'm sensing a really bad case of tunnel vision here. Since from his reaction to things, he's already decided I'm scum, and gets all happy when he sees anything that could possibly prove this. Not sure if this is scummy, but it's dumb.

StrangerCoug's vote on me: I find it really interesting that yesterday he's bandwagoning the hell out of Lowell, and then turns to start a bandwagon on me at the start of the day again. Apparently he wants today to turn out exactly how yesterday did...?

Starbuck's expression of suspicion of me:

It seemed like she just tried to shrink into the shadows to get the focus off herself.

Not exactly sure how you can say that seeing as I was the person who posted the MOST yesterday. In fact, except for a small part of Day 2, I have not been a lurker. I was having a tough time with my cold at the end of Day 3 and didn't have the energy to deal with this game. But for 95% of this game, I haven't "shrunk into the shadows to get the focus off me", I've put myself out there a hell of a lot more than most people have.

Not to mention, that she wasn't even on Lowell's wagon.

When did not being on Lowell's bandwagon become a crime?

She was voting for MrSuave while pushing along Lowell's lynch.

Nooooo, sweetiecakes, that's really not what happened. If you learn to read, I pushed Lowell hardest on Days 1 and 2. Over the course of Day 3, I became less and less sure of his lynch, until I became fairly sure that he would flip town. I voted MrSuave because I wanted him to give his thoughts on the game, and when I first voted him, I overreacted a bit because I thought it was so dumb how much he'd active lurked. I was pretty much totally ignoring all of you guys sitting back saying "durrr hurrr let's have no discussion because Lowell is the most obvscum dude ever." I really didn't push Lowell's lynch very much on Day 3 at all, if you'd actually read what I said, instead of finding fun ways to misrep me.

I'm going to hold back my vote for now since we are already so close to lynching her.

I really don't understand how you're okay with how yesterday went down. That was so d*mn idiotic, and you're willing to have the same thing happen all over again?

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Anyways~

Well, Zach's flip explains my gut read on him...I could tell something was weird with him, but I wasn't sure about it. I can definitely see him investigating XScorpion, Nikanor, or me. As a cop, he definitely has a tendency to investigate people he doesn't have a read on (which would fit for XScorpion & Nik), but the way he was flipping back and forth on me seems like he may have investigated me and was contemplating whether I was a target of the tailor or not. I think it seems most likely he investigated XScorpion and Nik and got innocent results, though.

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If I'm inevitably going to be lynched at some point, I would prefer it would be today rather than tomorrow because if we mislynch today, and you go for my lynch tomorrow, we lose. It may be in our best interests to have me lynched today because y'all seem to think I'm just so d*mn scummy. However, I'm only willing for that to happen if you all don't sit around doing nothing like yesterday. Please, town, let's use all our time to scumhunt instead of acting idiotic like we did yesterday. Thanks.

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Nikanor: Please check in.
MrSuave: Please read the first post.

That's all for now.

[KittyMo]

@ Starbuck: regarding the sweetiecakes thing, don't take offense to it. I didn't mean for it to sound condescending, which looking at it, it kinda does. Sorry. :/

Nice appeal to emotion there at the end of that post.

I'm not appealing to emotion. I'm just really pissed out how yesterday turned out, and it's going to be disastrous for the town if today turns out exactly the same way.

So you thought he was the cop?

It actually didn't occur to me he was the cop. I was thinking his play didn't fit regular town Zach, but it didn't really fit Zach-scum either, which was throwing me off. Him flipping cop was an "Ohhhh that makes sense, why didn't I think of that" moment.

[KittyMo]

Posting Amounts
StrangerCoug - 70
KittyMo - 65
Nikanor - 65
XScorpion - 55
MrSuave - 50
nhammen - 31 + 2
Starbuck - 18 + 5

Hmmm...

I have a problem with the fact that you're acting like my lynch is already set in stone even though this day began, oh, 2-3 real life days ago? It's definitely a possibility you're trying to set up an easy lynch just like Lowell was yesterday...

And that's really all you have to say regarding MrSuave's vote on me?

[KittyMo]

Kitty wagon is too strong, I will push the other one.

Vote: Mr. Suave

'Cuz Zach said.

Doesn't seem like very strong reasoning considering we've had 28 pages of information, and you just said you wanted to lynch SC...

[KittyMo]

Hey KittyMo, who are you going to be voting today?

I really didn't like SC's vote on me, but the fact that he backed off when he realized he was wrong instead of finding other reasons to latch onto the attack me makes me feel a bit better.

My vote probably belongs on nhammen, since he's been chilling in the background and not offering much up, and isn't getting much flack for it.

I want to reread XScorpion and Starbuck (+who she replaced) first, though, to get a better feel for them.

Emergency V/LA from the 11th to the 14th. Sorry for the short notice; just got decided on today...going up to visit my Grandma.

[KittyMo]

that's still really weak reasoning

Yup, it sure is. Vote me, I dare you.

You perplex me.

[KittyMo]

Mod: Well again.

I think MrSuave, not KittyMo, is deserving of my lurking accusation. Will hammer when I get home if there are no objections.

There is plenty more to talk about before a hammer.

+ hi, I'm back.

[KittyMo]

I really, really dislike XScorpion's attitude, because I don't understand why he's in such a "wheeeee let's do random crap" mood like it's still the RVS. It would make sense if he's scum because he's generally not been being pressured the entire game, and the lynch yesterday definitely would up scum morale.

Gaaaah.

[KittyMo]

Vote: MrSuave

Most of his Day 1 was worrying about what Nikanor thought of him and posting a lot of fluff. He's admitted to skimming Day 2, and now he's just being completely uncooperative.

ITT Starbuck takes the case I made on MrSuave yesterday that she just wrote off as "distancing" and presents it as her own today.

[KittyMo]

Not exactly sure how you can say that seeing as I was the person who posted the MOST yesterday. In fact, except for a small part of Day 2, I have not been a lurker. I was having a tough time with my cold at the end of Day 3 and didn't have the energy to deal with this game. But for 95% of this game, I haven't "shrunk into the shadows to get the focus off me", I've put myself out there a hell of a lot more than most people have.

Just because you posted the most doesn't mean you weren't trying to shift the focus off of yourself.

Just because I did something that would clearly put me and MrSuave in the spotlight...means I was trying to shift the focus off myself?

She was voting for MrSuave while pushing along Lowell's lynch.

Nooooo, sweetiecakes, that's really not what happened. If you learn to read, I pushed Lowell hardest on Days 1 and 2. Over the course of Day 3, I became less and less sure of his lynch, until I became fairly sure that he would flip town. I voted MrSuave because I wanted him to give his thoughts on the game, and when I first voted him, I overreacted a bit because I thought it was so dumb how much he'd active lurked. I was pretty much totally ignoring all of you guys sitting back saying "durrr hurrr let's have no discussion because Lowell is the most obvscum dude ever." I really didn't push Lowell's lynch very much on Day 3 at all, if you'd actually read what I said, instead of finding fun ways to misrep me.

Just because you didn't push it AS MUCH as you did on other days, does not absolve you of the fact that you pushed it the other days.

I'm gonna assume you meant that just because I pushed it not nearly as much on other days, doesn't absolve me of the fact that I pushed it on Day 3. If you look at the percentage of my energy spent on pushing Lowell's lynch on Day 3, it really isn't a whole lot, compared to the percentage of the energy the majority of you spent.

I'm going to hold back my vote for now since we are already so close to lynching her.

I really don't understand how you're okay with how yesterday went down. That was so d*mn idiotic, and you're willing to have the same thing happen all over again?

Where did I say I was okay with how yesterday went down and where did I say that I was willing to have the same thing happen all over again?

We spent all of yesterday waiting for Lowell to provide SOMETHING. He stalled out the game. I find you suspicious and I would like you to respond to myself as well as others.

I think it's stupid how many people sat around waiting for 1 person to do SOMETHING. THERE WERE 9 PEOPLE ALIVE YESTERDAY. THERE WERE PLENTY MORE PEOPLE THAT COULD'VE BEEN ASKED TO PROVIDE STUFF, AND THIS WAS NOT DONE.

If I'm inevitably going to be lynched at some point, I would prefer it would be today rather than tomorrow because if we mislynch today, and you go for my lynch tomorrow, we lose. It may be in our best interests to have me lynched today because y'all seem to think I'm just so d*mn scummy. However, I'm only willing for that to happen if you all don't sit around doing nothing like yesterday. Please, town, let's use all our time to scumhunt instead of acting idiotic like we did yesterday. Thanks.

Wow, AtE much?

The only sentence here I really think could be considered an AtE is the last one, and that's just because I feel really strongly about that.

[KittyMo]

Vote: MrSuave

Most of his Day 1 was worrying about what Nikanor thought of him and posting a lot of fluff. He's admitted to skimming Day 2, and now he's just being completely uncooperative.

ITT Starbuck takes the case I made on MrSuave yesterday that she just wrote off as "distancing" and presents it as her own today.

I did not take anything from you. Please stop saying that I did things that I DID NOT do.

If you look at what I accused MrSuave of yesterday, and look at what you're accusing him of now, they're shockingly similar.

Which makes me have to wonder why people are using it now when they wrote it off yesterday as just being distracting...

[KittyMo]

Just because I did something that would clearly put me and MrSuave in the spotlight...means I was trying to shift the focus off myself?

Why are you so concerned about MrSuave?

Actually, I'm not. What you seemed to be saying was that you thought I was trying to put MrSuave and Lowell in the spotlight and keep myself out of it. I'm saying, no, what I did yesterday clearly put me and MrSuave in the spotlight, and somewhat Lowell.

I'm gonna assume you meant that just because I pushed it not nearly as much on other days, doesn't absolve me of the fact that I pushed it on Day 3. If you look at the percentage of my energy spent on pushing Lowell's lynch on Day 3, it really isn't a whole lot, compared to the percentage of the energy the majority of you spent.

Please don't assume you know what I mean with anything. Assuming leads to misrepresentation and I'm not comfortable that you would do this.

You're not even answering to what I said. You said:

Just because you didn't push it AS MUCH as you did on other days, does not absolve you of the fact that you pushed it the other days.

This statement absolutely makes no sense. It would make sense the way I assumed you meant. Instead of being nitpicky and announcing that "that statement makes no sense, stupid" I decided that it would be better to answer what I thought you meant. I'm sorry that you had such a huge problem with that.

My whole point was that you were pushing Lowell's lynch WHILE NOT BEING ON IT. You were voting for MrSuave, but you spent more time and energy on Lowell.

Lowell, MrSuave, and nhammen - why didn't you vote Farside yesterday?

That is all.

HOS Lowell for now.

The real idiocy here is, why is Lowell still alive? Hurry up and lynch please, I wanna go look for the next scum.

Discussion is good is why.

Plus, can't you keep your vote on Lowell and still look for the next scum?

Lowell's lynch is just as good if not better, but I mean, just look at what MrSuave posted on Day 2 and Day 3. It's ridiculous. We don't need Lowell at L-1 yet, in my opinion.

I'd rather lynch Lowell today too probably.

Basically, here's the boat I'm in - Lowell seems pretty scummy, but I have this sinking feeling I'm missing something here, about who the scum is. I am starting to doubt whether I really believe a wagon pushed this hard could have a scum flip. That is main thing making me uncomfortable here.

That is officially all I said regarding Lowell. I said so much more about MrSuave that I'm not going to quote it all out. Please go look.

The only sentence here I really think could be considered an AtE is the last one, and that's just because I feel really strongly about that.

I don't believe so.

"It may be in our best interests to have me lynched today because y'all seem to think I'm just so d*mn scummy."

Is also AtE.[/quote]
Fair enough. It has an emotional twinge to it, but its point still stands, imo.

[KittyMo]

I really, really dislike XScorpion's attitude, because I don't understand why he's in such a "wheeeee let's do random crap" mood like it's still the RVS. It would make sense if he's scum because he's generally not been being pressured the entire game, and the lynch yesterday definitely would up scum morale.

Gaaaah.

Yes it makes sense if I'm scum.
VOTE ME VOTE ME VOTE ME VOTE ME

Vote XScorpion

If it'll make you stop asking for votes and actually scumhunt.

[KittyMo]

Who is Suave's scumbuddy, XScorpion?

[KittyMo]

I personally think if he's scum his buddy is someone on his wagon, because the wagon reeks of opportunism.

[KittyMo]

Heck, even if he's not scum, 1 or 2 scum are on that wagon, IMO.

[KittyMo]

well I'm not scum, so there are probably 2 scum there. Nik is on the top of that list, but XS is probably his buddy, if there are 2 scum. if there are only 1 scum, it would be Nik as the scum, and Kitty as the other scum. why? because she's defending me, so when I flip town she can say "I told you!"

No. As scum, I'd have every reason to be pushing your wagon, because I came up with the case on you long before pretty much everyone else on your wagon... And why in the world would I do that AGAIN as scum when I clearly got a lot of flack for supposedly doing the same thing yesterday? I don't care if you call it "defending", I'm going to analyze your wagon. It would be stupid not to.

*waits for obligatory "that's WIFOM" statement* Well, uh, how exactly am I supposed to respond to someone

guessing

at what's going through my head?

And XScorpion - based mostly on gut, you or StrangerCoug. If you want a more elaborate answer to that, you're gonna have to wait. Which, actually...I should go figure out.

[KittyMo]

She could take a solid stance on both Lowell and MrSuave yesterday, but can't take a solid stance on MrSuave today although he held her vote for a good chunk of yesterday.

The difference is that everybody said SHUT UP KITTY, YOU DISTRACTOR yesterday, and totally ignored my case, which imo made the chance higher that he was scum, and that his hypothetical partner was defending him. After that opportunistic wagon, imo that makes his likelihood of being scum relatively low, especially looking at how Farside treated him, and the way his lynch was pushed on Day 1. So, there's some evidence here, but it's not substantial enough. I'd prefer other lynches.

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pwnman: What do you think of everybody else? Is there anything you noticed when reading the thread that the rest of us missed, since you have a fresh perspective?

Also, why are you comfortable with someone else hammering him, but not you hammering him? If you're truly unsure about hammering him, shouldn't you want to wait before he's hammered? I don't understand...

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MrSuave: So I'm 2nd, Nikanor's 3rd, and pwnman is 1st now? What do you think of nhammen and Scott Brosius?

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DTMaster needs to start caring more or get mod-replaced. Either that, or he just needs a fist prodding, and I now know who to go to for that. xD

[KittyMo]

I van just pwn him in HoN. Nik and I both see him irl. Why do you assume that order. He wouldn't jump to first for one comment. I just said that my vote on you is no longer accurate. I have no clear order anymore though. As for nham and scott, I didn't give nham much thought but I must now recap. And for Scott, there's a Scott? xD

Well, you had said that I was 1st on your list and Nik was 2nd, so that's why I did assume, but I asked it as a question because I wasn't ttly sure that was the case...

Scott Brosius was here at the beginning of the game. He said he inned for this game because he'd just died in a few others and had time to take on a new one. Then, he mysteriously disappeared. I've always been unsettled by that. You should iso him yourself, though, probably. nhammen replaced him near the end of day 1.

[KittyMo]

GAME IS DYING GAME IS DYING!!!

How'd the nhammen/Scott research go?

[KittyMo]

Really? I thought Starbuck was gonna die...

I'm leaning XScorpion/MrSuave currently. Could be Nikanor. I just don't really see Starbuck as scum right now. However, every single time I iso Scorpion, I get something different out of it, so bleeeeeh. He's still scummy.

Gotta go do modding stuff.

[KittyMo]

E

llo everyone!

I

want to be in a game with no RVS. Therefore, I will vote the next person to random vote.

N

ot backing down on my promise:

vote StrangerCoug

.

Well if you don't want an RVS, start some discussion.

Vote:Kittymo

W

ell, Zach, I was planning on providing another method of discussion, but I had to leave for dance class soon, and didn't have time to come up with one.

[...]

I want to be in a game with no RVS. Therefore, I will vote the next person to random vote.

Except that your reasoning for placing a vote will rely on the RVS's existence.

Vote: KittyMo.

O

bviously, no one had random voted, I would have chosen to vote for a different reason.

RVS can also create chat if people look into things, but telling people you do not want RVS I suspect is a way to form a type of chat on your post alone kittymo.
In short kittymo can either be looked at as trying to stir up convo earlier or not offering discussion with that statement. I'm leaning the former based on the last two post.

T

his is also a factor in why I posted that even though I didn't have time to come up with question.

Darn simul-posting.

Yes, I breadcrumbed my role in my first 3 posts. I wrote TOWNIE backwards with the first letter of the first 2 paragraphs in each post. I did it because I've never crumbed my role as VT before, and was curious if it would be helpful to the town later on. It's less helpful than I'd hoped since there's no MC going on, but yeah. Just figured I might as well point that out now.

[KittyMo]

You called me scum twice, and even said 'So I'm going for a Nik lynch.' You're indicating that you are 100% going to vote me today. What are you waiting for?

@KittyMo: That means absolutely nothing in an open game, obviously. Also, who's to say you haven't crumbed cop somewhere else?

...which is why I didn't indicate that I should be confirmed.

I haven't crumbed cop elsewhere. I invite you to scour my posts for cop crumbs.

[KittyMo]

TADA!!!! and now we wait.

This just seems like a weird thing to say...

[KittyMo]

He actually hasn't been on AIM at all today (at least when I've been home.) I've been waiting to ask why he turned into a girl...

@DTMaster - Muchas gracias!

[KittyMo]

NO HAMMER

Really not liking XScorpion's vote, though.

[KittyMo]

"Yeah, I'm too busy to actually post reasoning for A VOTE IN LYLO, but I'm just gonna throw it on there anyways..."

umwhat?

[KittyMo]

Starbuck/Nikanor? Are you seriousssss?

BAH. At least I was more on the right track about Suave than most people?

But stiiiiill. grrrgahhhgrrr. Nik was my main town read yesterday, and Starbuck was my main town read today.

I feel sooooo dumb now

[KittyMo]

Why is it that Nikanor is always scum and pwns me in lylo? Except the time he replaced me. BUT I WAS SCUM THAT TIME TOO.

Sotty7 likes to do that to me toooo. >>

[KittyMo]

whaaaaaaaaaaa

Okay I'll shut up now.

[KittyMo]

I think we misread the crumbs...

Not sure tho...

[KittyMo]

I think when I rant about Nik scum people should listen to me more >_>

I think you should not rant about me being scum >_>

[KittyMo]

I think you should stop being so friendly with Nik =p

whaaat

neverrrrr

[KittyMo]

Nikanor/XScorpion was my guess at the end of the day.

Starbuck seemed clear because she was off the pwnman-wagon (which was waywayway too quick, though somewhat deserved) and MrSuave (while his lynch seemed deserved, the way farside treated him was unlikely)

But *shrug* good game scum

[KittyMo]

Oh, + we need quicktopic(s) posted.

[KittyMo]

I would like to know what I should work on.

It's not exactly normal for all but 2 protown players (yabbaguy, nhammen) to find you scummy for the majority of the game.

Also, for some reason this post really made me start thinking Nikscum. Probably because it felt like a flashback to that one game...

!vote EndgameFlavor

[KittyMo]

I meant of pro-town alignment obv >.>