Open 188 - Tweed Mafia - Over!

[StrangerCoug]

Vote: yabbaguy

for being my Yahtzee opponent.

[StrangerCoug]

Ello everyone!

I want to be in a game with no RVS. Therefore, I will vote the next person to random vote.

Looks like you get me then

[StrangerCoug]

Note to self: SC and KittyMo respond frighteningly fast to Day 1 prods

Tee hee I'm on pretty much all the time I'm not in bed or at work.

[StrangerCoug]

I want to be in a game with no RVS. Therefore, I will vote the next person to random vote.

Except that your reasoning for placing a vote will rely on the RVS's existence.

Vote: KittyMo.

A tad opportunistic, aren't we?

StrangerCoug: Is it scummy to suggest skipping the RVS?

No. While I should have said earlier that Zachrulez made a good point in post #11, I honestly don't know what the big fuss is about.

[StrangerCoug]

StrangerCoug: Is it scummy to suggest skipping the RVS?

No. While I should have said earlier that Zachrulez made a good point in post #11, I honestly don't know what the big fuss is about.

And this is my exact thought too. In fact this post really bothers me

Whose post really bothers you how? I don't think I'm reading this clearly.

[StrangerCoug]

The fuss that zach is making over kittymo on her not wanting to RVS and willing to vote on the first person to RVS.
I just think it's not that big of a deal and I didn't see what she did as scummy.

My thinking also. I played along, did I not?

[StrangerCoug]

Since I apparently fail so much, what better plan would you like to grace us with?

Unvote: yabbaguy
Vote: KittyMo

If one plan for generating discussion fails, try another yourself. Don't ask people to generate discussion for you.

[StrangerCoug]

Since I apparently fail so much, what better plan would you like to grace us with?

Unvote: yabbaguy
Vote: KittyMo

If one plan for generating discussion fails, try another yourself. Don't ask people to generate discussion for you.

...that was my point. I was saying that if he seemed to have such a problem with the way I was doing things, shouldn't he come up with something different to do?

Someone says your plan A has failed, and you expect him or her to have a plan B as backup? I don't really know how realistic that is.

[StrangerCoug]

@SC: What changed your mind from the two post below on KittyMo?

I want to be in a game with no RVS. Therefore, I will vote the next person to random vote.

Except that your reasoning for placing a vote will rely on the RVS's existence.

Vote: KittyMo.

A tad opportunistic, aren't we?

Since I apparently fail so much, what better plan would you like to grace us with?

Unvote: yabbaguy
Vote: KittyMo

If one plan for generating discussion fails, try another yourself. Don't ask people to generate discussion for you.

I saw little problem with KittyMo when she said she'd vote who wound up being me for random voting. I still don't, so obviously, the problem arose when she tried to get someone else to spark discussion, your second quote. I can't think of very many things that townies should be getting other people to do for them.

@everyone: What is the best way to get out of RVS?

I always considered the RVS over once someone made a serious vote, and that's a very good way to go about it.

XScorpion, would you like to be useful or should I switch my vote over to you?

[StrangerCoug]

Way to OMGUS anyway. But nah. I want to probe KittyMo a little more.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Ill. I hope to recover soon.

Noted - DTMaster

I originally wanted to refrain from calling MrSuave scummy because I didn't see him behaving differently from my other game with him where he was town, but now I'm more willing to say he's scummy. Appeal to emotion and pointless discussion about non-Mafia games.

[StrangerCoug]

@Coug-37: Voting a random vote for seriousness is opportunistic inherently.

So what's the problem?

@Coug-61: This is poor reasoning for a vote as well. Why scummy?

KittyMo is as capable of thought as the other 11 of us. I don't know if she can reasonably ask you for an alternative method of discussion as if you can pull it out of a hat, and by not thinking of something else herself, she's stalling discussion.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Should be well now.

Oh... noted then -DTM

well, I don't want to get 2 days in and be like, "OH CRAP NIK IS SCUM!" I want to get this cleared up asap. hence, guilty untill prooven innocent. you will always be scum to me untill I cannot read you. but so far, my recent game wth you where I read you like a book, I'm going to go with the fact I can read you.

You should view Nikanor as suspicious as you should the other 10 of us you're playing with, but it's not a good strategy to call someone scummy for you being able to read him or her.

[StrangerCoug]

Problem on the first one is that by being opportunistic, it kinda feels like edgy scum ready to pounce on anything plausible. That's kind of the vibe I've been getting, but maybe that's how you got pegged as some kinda robot by iamausername (right?), by just taking every scumtell out of context. Can't tell.

Not a bad description of how I got my title, no.

[StrangerCoug]

Unvote

Gonna opt to lay back for a bit and watch stuff unfold. Coug's still shaky, but I'm gonna go the path of inhibiting my vote until it's needed. I'm nowhere near wanting to lynch yet.

I was at L-5 before you pulled your vote. Granted, not the best position to be in, but I wasn't going to die anytime soon with your vote there.

Is there anything you still want to probe out of me? I'm all ears.

[StrangerCoug]

Oh, and

Mod: I'm voting KittyMo, not yabbaguy.

Mod fail noted - DTMaster

[StrangerCoug]

SC post 68 can't say I agree with you here. Maybe it's the female in me but I know I get that if you don't like it then you do it attitude. No I'm not trying to say this in a sexist way but I've felt many times like Kitty has when someone tells me I fail I will go back at them and say well then lets see you do better.

You are not coming off as sexist. In fact, I'm starting to like Nikanor vs. MrSuave better, and I'm considering voting MrSuave.

Zachrulez, am I correct to assume that you meant to FoS Lowell in post #145?

[StrangerCoug]

Unvote: KittyMo

[StrangerCoug]

@Coug-150: What's the reason you view Suave as a more ideal vote? What's inhibiting you from voting now?

Understanding the meta argument a bit more now though, and Nikanor probing this inconsistency definitely drives the argument out the window.

I don't like how he's portraying Nikanor, mostly. Nikanor reeks more frustrated townie now than anything else. I

WAS

hanging on to my vote because I wasn't sure whether Nikanor or MrSuave is more worthy of it and needed to think, but now I am sure.

Vote: MrSuave

[StrangerCoug]

Happy birthday KittyMo!

[StrangerCoug]

I think that's true of a lot of people, XScorpion. You can't automatically call people scum for attacking you.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm not really buying XScorpion's explanation for his weak attack on everyone attacking him. I also think he's stretching trying to connect Lowell with KittyMo.

Unvote
Vote: XScorpion

[StrangerCoug]

I'm not really buying XScorpion's explanation for his weak attack on everyone attacking him.

What do you believe my mindset is then? Would you like to explain why you think I've behaved how I have thus far?

What do I believe your mindset is? You place too much stock on your own meta. I finished a game relatively recently where everybody on my lynch was town and so was I.

As for your behavior, you were pretty much asking for trouble early on; I didn't want to give it to you. It also took you awhile to scumhunt, looking at you in ISO.

[StrangerCoug]

You place too much stock on your own meta. I finished a game relatively recently where everybody on my lynch was town and so was I.

This indicates to you that I'm scum?

Yes. Scum will sometimes sit back and watch townies rip out each other's throats. Doesn't work all the time, obviously, but the mathematical possibility almost always exists.

[StrangerCoug]

Then what is your explanation for why, unlike others such as Locke, I decided to stop lurking?

I actually didn't notice anybody was lurking. Thanks for reminding me that Locke Lamora exists by mentioning him by name.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm fine switching back to Suave if need be.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: If you're in MST (my time zone), you should be seven hours behind GMT, not two.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm happier with lynching MrSuave than Lowell or Zachrulez, so let's make my vote useful.

Unvote
Vote: MrSuave

[StrangerCoug]

Wouldn't it be better to think of the possible motives for yabbaguy's death first?

[StrangerCoug]

Any chance we should do some sort of mass copclaim situation? Can we use two cops to our advantage here or what?

What!? We don't need them outed yet. They can do just fine hidden. I don't care if we all claimed "I investigated X and got a Y on them".

You guys are idiots. It's just a suggestion. How bad at this game do you think I am?

vote zach

. This guy is unbearable and obvious.

Once again, what!? This is OMGUS out the wazoo.

Vote: Lowell

[StrangerCoug]

Something came up unexpectedly so I wasn't able to complete this last night, but I'm good to go now. I will have a substantive post up in a couple of hours.

Regards,
Jazz

*looks at watch* About twenty minutes left by my count, unless the unexpected happens again.

And Nikanor, I don't think this is the first time Jazzmyn's done something like this. I'm not ready to call it a bad thing right now, though.

[StrangerCoug]

StrangerCoug: His vote on Kitty in post 61 was pretty poor. Even worse is his later trying to justify it by claiming that Kitty was "stalling discussion" by her response to yabba's questioning of her "plan". That wasn't "stalling discussion" - that was snark and a bit of an appeal to emotion. I don't know whether this is SC distancing from Kitty or just jumping on a bandwagon with a crap reason.

Perhaps my ideal of everybody thinking for themselves isn't true. In real life, I'm the kind of person that likes to teach a man to fish rather than give him a fish.

I also find it suspicious how SC telegraphed his vote for MrS (150) before making it and then seemed to have to be prodded by yabba into actually laying down the vote (more on this when I get to farside), despite saying "Now I am sure." Something just doesn't feel right about that although, again, I waffle a bit on this because of that last game with Nikanor and MrS, because SC was in that game, too, and I know that he was absolutely convinced that MrS was scum in that game, and I remember being suspicious of MrS then too, even though he turned out to be town. So, part of me understands SC's hesitation here, but I still don't understand the "Now I am sure" part.

I have a scummy meta of MrSuave. My question was if it was his playstyle or legitimately scummy actions; I have decided the latter, hence "Now I am sure." I know that I have a scummy meta, but I also know that there are scum tells that still work well on me. That's how I'm going about MrSuave.

Then, at 203, SC moved his vote to XS after SC voted for Lowell and potentially tied Lowell to Kitty as scum, which I don't know what to make of.

Speak up when you do know, but the Lowell-KittyMo scum connection was something I accused XScorpion of stretching to make, not a connection I made myself. I didn't view Lowell as suspicious until I voted him.

I didn't like his post 229 where he said he hadn't noticed anyone lurking, as it was bloody obvious that Scott/nhammen and Locke Lamora were both lurking up a storm at that point so badly that they had posted virtually no content at all. I note this because I think it's very telling that a player doesn't notice that there are severe lurkers at that point in a game (i.e. approaching deadline), which makes me think that scum is pretending not to notice a lurking scumpartner.

As I said, I forgot Locke Lamore was even in the game. You can't be called out for lurking in a game in which you are not playing, can you? Therefore, my thinking, though I must admit that you have a good point.

Lastly, SC's late change of vote in 261 looks bad to me. He unvoted XS saying, "let's make my vote useful" but instead of voting for Lowell who was the only player likely to be lynched at the deadline by that point (as he had 5 votes to Zach's 3 and MrS's 2), he moved his vote to MrS, which was pretty pointless, and not "useful" as he claimed.

I thought the distribution of votes between them was more even.

[StrangerCoug]

Anyway, what I find interesting on top of Jazz's points on Strangercoug not noticing people lurking on day 1 is the way he seemed to be drawing attention to Jazz's lack of timeliness on her promised content . That just seems really off to me

One, Nikanor was the first to bring it up, by calling her a liar when it didn't get posted the night she said she would. In fact, when I do, I address him. Two, I was unwilling to put stock in it because some RL issue of hers always seems to come up in games we're in together.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm also noting that SC in his post 291 proposed hypodoc claiming, too (I'd missed that previously), and he has not said a word in response to all of the very sound arguments for why it is a bad idea.

You took me out of context. I concede to saying little to all the arguments against it, but I was against it too, not in favor of it. By "I don't care if we all massclaimed 'I investigated X and got a Y on them'," I meant that I view it as scummy as proposing that the two cops out themselves, which I interpreted Lowell as saying in what I quoted in 291. I wanted a step ahead of Lowell, and I believe he backtracked into saying the hypoclaims were all he wanted.

[StrangerCoug]

And I just refuted that it was.

[StrangerCoug]

Here's the relevant part of post 291:

Any chance we should do some sort of mass copclaim situation? Can we use two cops to our advantage here or what?

What!? We don't need them outed yet. They can do just fine hidden. I don't care if we all claimed "I investigated X and got a Y on them".

Note the tone of this post: it and what I say suggest that I

DO

object to hypoclaiming. If I didn't, the word "however" or something to similar effect would be in the same sentence or I would start a new paragraph before putting that. Your interpretation of the last sentence doesn't fit with what's before it.

[StrangerCoug]

Lowell and farside22 make sense as scum together, I must admit.

[StrangerCoug]

Sweetie I said it helps hide the cops and allows them to give a results so if they die the town has info.

It does not help hide the cops, though. It helps to expose them.

I have to agree with you here. There is a Mafia tailor and no roleblocker, and the tailor probably told the rest of the Mafia his or her target. Therefore, in a hypoclaim situation, somebody claiming a correct result on a player that was tailored that night can be ruled out as a cop, thus narrowing down the pool.

[StrangerCoug]

No it does not. If it does at all, it's only by a trivial amount in favor of scum, who knows who should be showing up as innocent and who should be showing up as guilty. Stop insisting that the town can benefit from hypoclaiming.

Unvote: Lowell
Vote: farside22

[StrangerCoug]

Oh, and

Mod: You show yabbaguy as still alive.

[StrangerCoug]

It would really be nice if the half of the players that aren't playing would actually start playing.

Just a thought...

The last two times I checked this thread, I thought I was dead and didn't have any comment in that order. But yes, the game needs to pick up.

farside22 and Lowell are scum, with MrSuave and XScorpion being somewhat good candidates as the other one. I don't have a strong read either way on anyone else.

[StrangerCoug]

farside22 and Lowell are scum, with MrSuave and XScorpion being somewhat good candidates as the other one. I don't have a strong read either way on anyone else.

I'm definitely cool with lynching lowell then farside then myself then MrSuave. In that order obviously.

So you admit being scummier than MrSuave?

[StrangerCoug]

Any chance we should do some sort of mass copclaim situation? Can we use two cops to our advantage here or what?

What!? We don't need them outed yet. They can do just fine hidden. I don't care if we all claimed "I investigated X and got a Y on them".

You guys are idiots. It's just a suggestion. How bad at this game do you think I am?

vote zach

. This guy is unbearable and obvious.

Once again, what!? This is OMGUS out the wazoo.

Vote: Lowell

Jazz brought it up in her comments as well and SC backtracked the statement here:

You took me out of context. I concede to saying little to all the arguments against it, but I was against it too, not in favor of it. By "I don't care if we all massclaimed 'I investigated X and got a Y on them'," I meant that I view it as scummy as proposing that the two cops out themselves, which I interpreted Lowell as saying in what I quoted in 291. I wanted a step ahead of Lowell, and I believe he backtracked into saying the hypoclaims were all he wanted.

Clarifying ≠ backtracking. Jazzmyn misinterpreted the tone of my statement, so I explained that how she took it does not make sense. Read between the lines.

If I may go outside of a Mafia context, this hypothetical situation:

Jazzmyn:

Would you like me to get you some chocolate?

StrangerCoug, pleased:

I don't care if you got me all the chocolate in the world.

...is not the same as this hypothetical situation:

Jazzmyn:

Would you like me to get you some chocolate?

StrangerCoug, angry:

I don't care if you got me all the chocolate in the world.

I may not be wording it any differently, but I'm saying something entirely different with a different emotion.

I love weak as hell OMGUS.

[StrangerCoug]

farside22 is a good bet to be making for scum here, guys. Go after her.

[StrangerCoug]

farside22 is a good bet to be making for scum here, guys. Go after her.

Not at all. Still see your vote as opportunist, along with not actually reading the game.

My vote is opportunist? *scoffs* You have been supporting the hypocliam idea long after it was supposed to have been beaten down and explained to death why it favors scum. As for your other point, you're reading the game even less than I am; if you weren't, you would have attacked me over the "I don't care about hypoclaiming" statement close to when Jazzmyn did, not after she stopped doing so.

farside22 is a good bet to be making for scum here, guys. Go after her.

Maybe, I still prefer to see Lowell or Nhammen lynched, in that order.

If you can rack up enough Lowell supporters, I'll switch. He's scum too.

[StrangerCoug]

OK, I can believe that. Looks like I'm going after my #2.

Unvote: farside22
Vote: Lowell

Same reason as last time.

[StrangerCoug]

OK, here's the deal:

One, I don't see how it makes sense to talk about the hypoclaim the way she did and continues to do when she's one of the cops; therefore, I don't know what the hell she was thinking when she did so. She was right to claim at L-1, but I doubt her claim.

Two, I would expect farside22 to be experienced enough not to be defending the case on her with WIFOM. If she is town, she should have checked the game and made sure what she said happened really happened. That she didn't is a bad mark on her. And before she calls it idiotic for scum to be doing, I've done idiotic moves as scum too—and after I consider myself to have started improving my game.

Three, I still think Lowell is her scumbuddy. That he's quick to believe her result leads me to believe that farside22 is the tailor. If I'm right as to her role, I want at least one of the real cops to investigate Lowell tonight. I'll leave how to go about the result without getting outted (I

STILL

want them hidden right now) up to that person.

Unvote: Lowell
Vote: farside22

Hasta la vista.

[StrangerCoug]

Well she clears me so I'm game. I'll believe it.

Lowell - Please tell me how this post could come from anyone except scum who has been tailored. I seriously cannot think of any other perspective.

All idiocy. If I were tailored wouldn't I

want

the cop to die to (a) get rid of a cop, and (b) "prove" my innocence?

Are you out of your mind!? This post clearly makes the assumption that scum would necessarily tailor other scum. If I were tailored and I were town, I wouldn't want the cop to die; I would want the tailor to die.

[StrangerCoug]

Zach, SC: Why did you unvote farside and vote Lowell on page 17?

Unvote: farside22
Vote: Lowell

Same reason as last time.

Last time was then this:

Any chance we should do some sort of mass copclaim situation? Can we use two cops to our advantage here or what?

What!? We don't need them outed yet. They can do just fine hidden. I don't care if we all claimed "I investigated X and got a Y on them".

You guys are idiots. It's just a suggestion. How bad at this game do you think I am?

vote zach

. This guy is unbearable and obvious.

Once again, what!? This is OMGUS out the wazoo.

Vote: Lowell

As for unvoting farside22, I still viewed her as suspicious, which is why I eventually went back and hammered, but she had defended me well enough for me to move on for the moment.

I still like the Lowell-farside22 scum theory, so I'll

vote Lowell

.

[StrangerCoug]

This is insane idiocy. I mean, comical insane idiocy.

So everyone's theory is thus:

farside, as a desperate scum, decided to claim cop, and ALSO IMPLICATE HER SCUMBUDDY by "clearing" him? Someone tell me why that makes sense.

I swear to god, if I ever had a scumbuddy who did this to me, I would bus the crap out of them, then find them in real life and punch them in the face.

vote scorpion

. He's the most smug about this idiotic idea.

One other note: the remaining cop is now useless.

My sister's laptop doesn't want to behave, so I can't really chop up that post so that my response is right after what I'm talking about.

How farside22 would implicate you by "clearing" you is very simple: she likely knew who was tailored, and all signs point to you as the one tailored. You were quick to believe her false investigation, and you've been very defensive lately.

OMGUS doesn't get you anywhere.

And I second the question as to why the other cop is useless. Do you know who it is, and are you planning on killing him or her?

[StrangerCoug]

Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that XScorpion is trying to stall discussion of a lynch of anyone other than Lowell? I mean, yeah, I want Lowell dead, but why are the other avenues closed? I don't get it.

[StrangerCoug]

Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that XScorpion is trying to stall discussion of a lynch of anyone other than Lowell? I mean, yeah, I want Lowell dead, but why are the other avenues closed? I don't get it.

What's the point of this?

Is there someone else we should be considering lynching?

XScorpion now, and I'm about ready to bite MrSuave's head off as I don't remember him posting much along the lines of content.

While it's possible that XScorpion is bussing Lowell, I feel that this is a harsh way of doing it, so I don't think they're both scum. I like the path I'm taking, but it's not the only path—there may be other good ones out there.

[StrangerCoug]

well... reading over what our dead cop has said, I am going to say that my top 4 people for scum right now are:

Zach, Kitty, Lowell, and Nikanor.

Lowell could also be a lurking scum buddy of the other scum, and they might just want to get rid of dead weight. Either way, Lowell is an easy target for them to go after because of the heavy lurking.

FoS: MrSuave.

It's fine to think someone's obvscum, but I don't like people using the term "easy target" for a person they suspect.

[StrangerCoug]

I didn't—I merely objected to terminology. I didn't say you said that we should be lynching Lowell because he's easy picking. In fact, I know Lowell's not your top suspect.

[StrangerCoug]

So you believe that Lowell is an easy

BUS

target, not strictly an easy

LYNCH

target?

[StrangerCoug]

@Mod - The first post isn't updated at all. I'm not listed on the front page as a replacement. The latest deaths (if any) haven't been recorded. I don't even know what Day we are on.

I apologize all. I've tried to start reading and with the above as well as the site's constant errors, it's been hard trying to read. I'm barely past the 3rd page.

If anyone knows how I catch up, I try to do a wall-o-text per game day. It's been tough with the craziness work has brought me in the past week, as well as the site's errors. I have posted in other games, but it's games that I started from the beginning and I have no need to catch up on.

If someone can tell me the above information, or if the first post can be updated, it would be greatly appreciated.

Jazzmyn, who was a cop, is dead along with who's there and it's Day 3.

[StrangerCoug]

A quick KittyMo ISO gives me the impression that she hasn't attacked Lowell really heavily, if it doesn't confirm it. While I will entertain the possibility that she could be scum, I don't think she's scum with Lowell. Something about KittyMo bussing Lowell isn't ringing.

[StrangerCoug]

On StrangerCoug

Wouldn't it be better to think of the possible motives for yabbaguy's death first?

This is a strange question for me coming from StrangerCoug because he's not one to speculate about NKs, and I just wanted to note it because through Day 1 reading because it's not a typical action for him and I've gotten a pro-town read off him. It just doesn't mesh.

We could not come to a consensus for who should be lynched on Day 1. I was trying to open up a path of discussion to see if that was better than what I perceived would happen—just keep going from where Day 1 discussion left off. Apparently, that didn't have the effect I wanted.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: I'm not going to declare V/LA, but I messed up the computer in my room and now it won't connect to the Internet. I'll be using the other two computers in the house in the meantime.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: I was able to solve the Internet problem.

I love quick fixes

[StrangerCoug]

ITT wall of text kills my motivation.

Yet you post some in ISO 35 and 38.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: V/LA until further notice—should only be for a few days at max. ISP has been giving me problems since early yesterday.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: May already be out of V/LA—I'll confirm tomorrow to make sure I'm still not on this time bomb.

[StrangerCoug]

Let's get on Lowell or KittyMo please, preferably Lowell. I would not like another No Lynch.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Confirm out of V/LA.

Meh... there's actually a post from Lowell that's been eating at me because it doesn't really make sense if he's scum.

Vote: StrangerCoug

Elaborate please.

Let's get on Lowell or KittyMo please, preferably Lowell. I would not like another No Lynch.

You have barely been suspicious of kitty at all... Where did this come from? In fact, the only other time that you have mentioned kitty at all today is:

A quick KittyMo ISO gives me the impression that she hasn't attacked Lowell really heavily, if it doesn't confirm it. While I will entertain the possibility that she could be scum, I don't think she's scum with Lowell. Something about KittyMo bussing Lowell isn't ringing.

Well then, what is scumkitty's motivation for avoiding attacking townLowell? At that point, enough of the town was pursuing a Lowell lynch, that scum could get away with it without taking scumpoints. Why not do this?

I think the answer is very simple—she could want us to think that someone other than Lowell-town is scum; therefore, she would be avoiding what she might perceive as an easy mislynch. I'm more confident in Lowell-scum than KittyMo-scum, however, therefore my stating my preference for which one.

[StrangerCoug]

Meh... there's actually a post from Lowell that's been eating at me because it doesn't really make sense if he's scum.

Vote: StrangerCoug

Elaborate please.

That you have moved your vote does not give you the right to ignore me.

FoS: Zachrulez

[StrangerCoug]

OK, so you think I bussed farside22. What leads you to that thinking?

[StrangerCoug]

Make your last words quick.

[StrangerCoug]

I still like KittyMo as scum, and MrSuave saying there's still a tailor seems a bit off. This seems to be a hard role for us to understand, so I think I'll pass his opening comment about it off as a null tell.

Vote: KittyMo

[StrangerCoug]

StrangerCoug's vote on me: I find it really interesting that yesterday he's bandwagoning the hell out of Lowell, and then turns to start a bandwagon on me at the start of the day again. Apparently he wants today to turn out exactly how yesterday did...?

If you're going to portray me as starting scummy bandwagons that end up resulting in mislynches, at least give evidence of such. I thought that farside22 and Lowell were linked; they weren't. You were next on my list of suspicion after them for pretty much lurking.

this whole game is about speculation, unless you're a cop with a guilty.

And even then you have the possibility of a tailor running around.

[StrangerCoug]

Posting Amounts
StrangerCoug - 70
KittyMo - 65
Nikanor - 65
XScorpion - 55
MrSuave - 50
nhammen - 31 + 2
Starbuck - 18 + 5

Hmmm...

I have a problem with the fact that you're acting like my lynch is already set in stone even though this day began, oh, 2-3 real life days ago? It's definitely a possibility you're trying to set up an easy lynch just like Lowell was yesterday...

OK, the lurking accusation's my fault for playing as I go. I need to rethink this.

Unvote: KittyMo

And that's really all you have to say regarding MrSuave's vote on me?

My comment had nothing to do with his vote. I was saying that the tailor may already be dead as he or she flips as a regular goon.

[StrangerCoug]

XScorpion is quite obviously anti-town on purpose. The million-dollar question is if he's scum for what he's doing or not. (I believe experience tells me no.)

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Ill (again).

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Well again.

I think MrSuave, not KittyMo, is deserving of my lurking accusation. Will hammer when I get home if there are no objections.

[StrangerCoug]

*shoots XScorpion instead of voting him*

Cut it out.

[StrangerCoug]

No, it's me venting frustration. It's one of us skedaddling out of here next.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm basically waiting to hammer. Let pwnman get his role and speak, though...

[StrangerCoug]

Not hammering MrSuave with a replacement like that.

[StrangerCoug]

Why do you want pwnman force-replaced? Was he already prodded?

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I'm half tempted not to give him such leniency, actually.

[StrangerCoug]

That post was made with the thought that pwnman was at L-1, when he's actually at L-2.

Vote: pwnman

NOW

he's at L-1.

[StrangerCoug]

BAH!

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Ah, well. The Mafia got clean away from my scumdar, if I remember correctly. (If I don't, then most likely Nikanor tripped it off, but whatever.)