Open 192: SCIENCE Mafia, Finished

[SaintKerrigan]

Vote: Cat.

Because Cat likes cookies, and cookies are scummy.

[SaintKerrigan]

V/LA until late Jan. 2.

[SaintKerrigan]

For Cat: The Game in Which Cookies Are Scummy. Read the early part of the game, and then the end.

As for how I view a seven-player game compared to others, we definitely need to be more careful about wagons. We don't have as many opportunities to get things right, so we've gotta try harder. (Yes, I know I basically parroted StrangerCoug, but his words were pretty much the same things I thought.)

@ Malpascp: Wow.

[SaintKerrigan]

I think a little more caution is called for simply because its already an endgame situation with only 7P.

How is it already an endgame situation?

Unvote: Cat. Vote: MrWhereItsAt.

[SaintKerrigan]

So, I'm at L-1 for only one reason? There are some reasons that are good enough to put people at L-1 for (and thus risk their lynch), but using something other people don't consider a tell is not one of them. In fact, it may not have been the reason that I voted for MrWhereItsAt at all.

I considered it odd that MWIA would misunderstand the setup, and seeing that he had no votes on him, I voted him to see how he would respond. Of course, since I now have to explain the reason I voted him in order to prevent my lynch, this vote becomes totally pointless.

Unvote: MrWhereItsAt

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I don't like how Mykonian just jumped on my wagon, solely for agreeing with SC. I mean, SC putting me at L-2 for that reason was fine, but you putting me at risk for a lynch for that same reason is something else entirely. I smell opportunism.

Vote: Mykonian.

[SaintKerrigan]

I don't like how Mykonian just jumped on my wagon, solely for agreeing with SC.

This is misspoken. It should read, "I don't like how Mykonian just jumped on my wagon, solely because he agreed with SC's reason for voting me."

What do the rest of you think about this?

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Mykonian: Because I wanted the town's opinion on what you did. How is asking the town a question manipulating the town?

[SaintKerrigan]

Answer my question first, please.

[SaintKerrigan]

I was asking a serious, non-rhetorical question, that I expect you to answer: Why is asking the town a question manipulating the town? I am rather interested in the answer to this, and your continual dodging of the question is making me suspicious of you.

As for the answers to your questions:

#1: I don't know how other people are going to answer. That was the point of asking the question. I wanted to see how people felt about what you did.

#2: I didn't intend for it to be a rhetorical question. I intended it to be a question that people gave an answer to, thus allowing me to see what people thought on the matter.

[SaintKerrigan]

Mod: Pomegranate unvoted Mykonian.

[SaintKerrigan]

StK's answer that he didn't know what to expect from his question what everybody thought about my L-1 vote?

Obviously I meant what I said. I was looking to see how people felt about what you did.

SC's unvote without anything else

I don't find anything strange about it.

Mr's post which only answered a question, after which he went out again.

Again, nothing strange with it, especially since I understand the urge of football myself. On an unrelated note, GO PACK GO!!!

Pome's voting density argument

Personally, I think Pom's argument is not a good one. Scum may be trying to hop on wagons, but just because a person slaps his vote around doesn't mean that he's scum.

Another question for you: How was my vote against MrWhereItsAt opportunistic? He didn't have any votes on him at the time, and I've already explained the reason why I voted him (and how it since became pointless).

[SaintKerrigan]

Main Entry: op·por·tun·ism
Pronunciation: \-ˈtü-ˌni-zəm, -ˈtyü-\
Function: noun
Date: 1870

: the art, policy, or practice of taking advantage of opportunities or circumstances often with little regard for principles or consequences

Meh, now I see the definition, I am not too sure anymore.

What you did was taking advantage of a move by Mr that wasn't scummy, but was a good opportunity to vote. So the main goal could barely be to find scum in Mr, and was more likely to stir up discussion.

But if I was trying to stir up discussion, what exactly makes that scummy? How was Mr's statement a good opportunity to vote?

On the other hand, you're starting to look less like conniving scum and more like overaggressive town.

Unvote: Mykonian.

I'm not inclined at the moment to vote anyone else.

Pomegranate has some explaining to do regarding her vote spread argument. Just what made you think that the vote spread argument was a good reason to vote Mykonian, Pom?

[SaintKerrigan]

Oops, my bad. Considering you still have your vote on me, I thought it implied you thought it was scummy.

However, if your vote is merely an extreme version of what you claim I did, why is your vote still on me? Because from what I understand, votes with the intent to generate discussion are usually removed once their purpose is achieved.

Vote count

mykonian (2): SaintKerrigan, StrangerCoug
SaintKerrigan (2): malpascp, mykonian
Pomegranate (1): Cat


Not voting (1): MrWhereItsAt

[SaintKerrigan]

In a game where the mafia have day-talk, they usually have real time strategies that would be risky in a normal game, but becomes easy to do when we can tell our partner what to say. The relation between SK and mykonian seems like one of those. They really do something, but not too much, lightly attack each other when necessary. I would bet that they have day-talk.

So then why would my partner and I employ a strategy that puts me at L-1? Something really doesn't feel right concerning this post...

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Malpascp: WTF are you talking about? Again, I ask you: why would my "partner" and I employ a strategy that gets one of us put at L-1?

I call scum on Cat and Pomegranate. Cat's been lurking hard, and both Cat and Pomegranate are coming up with similar arguments (mainly the vote-hopping argument).

Vote: Cat.

Mod: I'm no longer voting for Mykonian.

[SaintKerrigan]

Sorry I had to replace out, my life got extraordinarily busy, and I'm having a tough time keeping up in my three current games as is. Anyway, gratz to scum on the win.