Mini 869 - Frat Party Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[Kise]

/confirm

I see dead people.

[Kise]

Game Flow:

Votes should be posted in the format '

vote: Barack Obama

.'

Let's lynch Biden first.

[Kise]

Don't you think it's a little too early to begin bussing?

[Kise]

I think DRK is drunk.

[Kise]

I meant to say town-drunk.....

TMI, dude.

[Kise]

Vote: Joe Biden

BANDWAGON OR DIE

[Kise]

So if you're the nacho mamma, how come you're really a dude?

[Kise]

I smell a tranny. And s/he smells like octopus.

[Kise]

WTF, Reck? I'm voting for the vice-president.

[Kise]

Indeedly ho! I've played with DRK, Moose, nhammen, Blood, Seraphim & (recently) Nachomamma. Not only have I played in a few games with Reck, but he's also my "boss" so to speak. ^__^

[Kise]

Limited access until... Tuesday, I believe.

I can still come online, but I'd rather spend time with my brother since I'm over his place.

[Kise]

The skinz/eagles game is tonight. I won't be on camera though because I'm not too close up to the field.. meh.

Anyway, tonight is the last "event" I have planned with my bro. After that, I'll be home tomorrow to get back into this.

[Kise]

I'm back. The skins have to be the worst team in the NFL... how do you botch a snap???

Anyway, it's catch-up time.

[Kise]

I didn't think whoever said that was serious.

even if he is, not gonna quicklynch someone for such a reason.

So your saying that you're not willing to lynch Nham at all? Gut activated.

BC, was this a non-RVS post? I don't see nor get the impression that Taranski implies he'll never vote for nhammen.

I just want to make sure he isn't joking which was the first impression I got.

Yeah. I naturally didn't believe DRK claiming to have gotten a guilty result because a daycop being activated early on in a [mini] normal game was odd.

What I don't like or agree with is role speculation (lyncher, traitor, jester etc.).

Unvote:
Vote: nhammen

Very simple solution here. We lynch Nham, and if he flips town, then DRK dies. If he flips scum, then DRK is either town, or scum that is willing to lose his partner in a gambit.

We need more votes on Nham. Anyone that does not vote him will be labeled his scumbuddy.

I see a few things wrong with this.

1. He immediately assumes I did actually receive said PM, despite the fact that we were still in the RVS and I'd done quite a bit of messing around. By assuming this, he gets to lynch nham and me afterwards for causing the mislynch if he's town. This hinges largely on nham's alignment.
2. The way he calls for the lynch smells of quicklynch, as if he wants to make sure nham is killed before I come in and say I was joking or someone comes in with some sense and says not to lynch nham.
3. He suggests I could be scum gambiting if nham flips scum in a way that makes it sound equally plausible. Of course, that would look bad for scum, unless nham is scum too. It's bad, or at least questionable, coming from either side, but I personally think that over-eager scum would be more likely to say it, possibly to cover all angles.

Something to consider. Thing is, it's hard to separate the RVS comments from the serious comments. By default, I look at everything before page 6 as joke-posts, except for Taranski. He's the only player I sense a serious vibe from, so I'm able to read him more than anyone.

I noticed CB on the online players list in two seperate instances, but he didn't post (and this is the only game he's in).

Stalker.

why is it necessary to place an FoS on someone after you've already voted for that person?

Emphasis?

A question to everyone, first of all.

I think it's very important that you answer this truthfully.

When you first read DRK's claim of a guilty on nhammen, what was your gut reaction?

Foolishness.

Right now, I think Taranski has similar town meta to dramonic. fhqwhgads' ignored most of the action going down and coasted by with continued randomness. It doesn't deserve a vote, but I encourage more content-filled posts. As pointed out, BC is trying to have his cake and eat it. Requesting for confirmation from a supposed day cop is

about the same amount

fishing more so than when Taranski asked if DRK was serious about the guilty result. DRK already "portrayed" himself as a cop, so there wasn't much more fishing that could have been done on Taranski's behalf. bovine, how long are you going to watch from the sideline?

So you're saying that he didn't actually believe it but faked that he believed it? IMO I think thats a bit of a gamble for scum. Not impossible I suppose, but unlikely.

As told by ortolan, we should cut out the ignorance. Shooting down possibilities is only a form of deflection; possible to come from both town and anti-town.

After some deep thought, I think DRK is more likely to be scum at this moment. His gambit leaned him on the side of town but I think

his dealing of it afterward points in a scum direction.

Elaboration, please.

I'd like more people to weigh in on Groin.

Sounds painful.

[Kise]

@Seraph - Right now I don't like canada, BC and fhqwhgads in that order. Bovine is picking at what he wants to comment on, or has to be talked to first. Me no like. The other two have this redeeming quality about them, but canada makes my balls tighten up.

[Kise]

Well if mafia know who the cop is (if any) then he'll be a top NK priority for them. So even if BC got exposed as definite scum by whoever was the supposed daycop, at least the mafia would know who it is.

[Kise]

Tsk tsk, saber

@fhqwhgads - Don't you think if there was a daycop, there could/should also be a day roleblocker? Never know, so either way the fishing was bad.

I'll check out everything else when I'm done with my research paper.

[Kise]

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BC selfvotes, nhammens post 69 is pro-town, and kise has yet to contribute anything.

FoS:Kise

FYI, the RVS did not end until... page 6 I believe. Notice how the game slowed down from that point? Yeah..

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Post 87, DRK is obv lying and is vote hopping like crazy trying to find something that will stick. I don't like it.

unvote; vote: DRK

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I am aware that BC's meta has him random vote at the start of every day, and then switches it to someone he thinks is scum, but he's been switching too much to go with his claim. I like DRK's post 151, it sold me.

unvote; vote:BC

Flip-floppy votes in the same post!?!?

MEGA FAKE FOS: SAYBUR WOOLPH

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FUCK, I just lost the game. Post 165 by sera is good, so good i skipped it and did not read any of it

As of right now, have you gone back to read it?

Everything after DRK's claim of mine was serious. Can you find a post stating that Tar

is

willing to lynch Nham?

Are you screwing with me? Well getting back to the subject, Taranski said he wasn't going to quicklynch nhammen

due to DRK's "claim."

The context of his post did not say that he'd never vote nhammen. Also, the top of nham's 229 corroborates the viewpoint you possibly wanted to lynch him, no questions asked.

[Kise]

Everything after DRK's claim of mine was serious. Can you find a post stating that Tar

is

willing to lynch Nham?

Are you screwing with me? Well getting back to the subject, Taranski said he wasn't going to quicklynch nhammen

due to DRK's "claim."

The context of his post did not say that he'd never vote nhammen. Also, the top of nham's 229 corroborates the viewpoint you possibly wanted to lynch him, no questions asked.

No comment on this?

Still waiting to hear from replacements. Have a vote in mind, but would rather have our new additions involved in discussion as well. I would like for them to hold off on voting any of the wagons that could end the day because, for them, it's basically the first 2 real-days within Day 1.

@fhq - Point is, he had a fishing rod in his hand. Your defense is noted (as Zaz would say).

[Kise]

In case anyone is wondering about who I would vote for.. don't worry about it. It may or may not come depending on what the replacements have to offer.

[Kise]

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FUCK, I just lost the game. Post 165 by sera is good, so good i skipped it and did not read any of it

As of right now, have you gone back to read it?

[Kise]

Do you agree with his town, neutral & scum reads?

Optional: What are your thoughts on that post of his?

[Kise]

Lol, Seraphim was the mod, not a player. And yeah, town-scum lists really only help mafia.

I asked you that question because I want to see how someone else feels about Seraphim in general; as in whether he seems trusting. I noticed that my suspects (BC, fhq and canada/OGML) are all voting for DRK as well as Seraphim. If I pegged those 3 as mafia here, I FINALLY can update my sig again. In any event, just making a note about DRK's voters.

[Kise]

I also think it was a nice attempt by seraphim to provide his insight, but overall I kinda think the whole post was scummy, due to textbook rule where I've always heard posting your thoughts for scum to use is anti-town at best.

Come to think about it, HE was the one who asked me for my top 3..

[Kise]

It's not scummy to post your suspicions, but giving your entire thoughts (including town reads) only helps mafia manipulate the game via NKs, etc. They can frame or try to clear a player if they know how everyone feels about each other.

But what I find interesting is that, along with my top 3, Seraphim is joining you all by voting for DRK. I may need to give and/or take a person on/off my list. In a nutshell, I don't think it's wrong to include Seraphim in my suspect list.

[Kise]

However, he did not join in voting Blood, after DRK accused him.

I know. He's voting DRK. I'm not suggesting that Seraph is opportunistically wagoning. I am referrencing the fact that my 3 suspects + Seraph are making a rival wagon on DRK.

DRK, I'm down for that. But shouldn't we really get newcomer input?

[Kise]

Yikes... Alright, but I'm guessing someone will either unvote or hammer before the replacements comment.

Vote: BloodCovenent

*twiddles thumbs*

[Kise]

@Seraph - Right now I don't like canada, BC and fhqwhgads in that order.

Hasn't changed. Everyone voting DRK is suspect. I tried to wait as long as I could for OGML in particular, but as you said, information can be revealed with a lynch and I didn't want to miss out before deadline hits.

[Kise]

I am referrencing the fact that my 3 suspects + Seraph are making a rival wagon on DRK.

Wow. What a coincidence. Also, what will this mean if BC is town? Or is that too easy?

You know something I don't? If BC is town, I still keep my suspects high on the list. Just means there are 3 others for me to look at.

@BC - where did I say DRK was obvtown? I said I don't think highly of those voting DRK. In essence, it does strengthen my suspicion, but I never posted anything to say DRK was obvtown.

I am implying is that BC-scum and his buddies are trying to create a wagon on DRK so that BC's wagon is rivaled in size.

@DF - Well, when you want to lynch any of your suspects, you go for the one that everyone else agrees on. There is not as big a case against canada/OGML as there is BC. I found canada suspicious for his selective comments. OGML? I have to wait and hear from him before judging. I'm content with my vote. Is there something wrong with me voting BC? I mean, aren't you voting for him as well?

[Kise]

I don't like how you're trying to put words in my mouth BC. The only thing that could possibly make me even say DRK is obvtown is the fact I am holding suspicion on others. If I include DRK into my suspect list, then I may as well find everyone suspicious..

And there is no reason to lynch DRK at the moment. As Nacho said, you blew DRK's cop thing out of proportion and inferred we lynch them all until we caught a liar.

[Kise]

Dragon, you do realize BC said that was his top 5 when, in fact, he listed 6? The man had a math problem.

Joking aside, I don't agree with Taranski being scummy. There were good reasons for us to find BC scummy, but it looks like I was wrong about him. Also, DRK, not sure why fhq was killed but I was wrong on not 1 but 2 of my suspects.

Wish we could hear from the replacements soon.

[Kise]

@OGML & Star - Impress me or die.

[Kise]

Responses will be bolded.

Kise never answered this yesterday:

Everyone voting DRK is suspect.

Does this mean anything? You've said something similar before. Do you think scum are driving that wagon? What about the other people on it? If the arguments in favor of it are so awful, why would scum join support of it instead of BC?

Yes, I did think the 4 voting for DRK were scummy. I was wrong about BC and fhq, but I don't think I should let up and assume I'm wrong about ALL of them... And I don't know why scum would do certain things.

As has been asked before, what if BC turns up town? Then why would scum be supporting DRK lynch rather than BC lynch?

And as will be said again, BC flipping town doesn't mean I should let up. When I think about it, what if fhq was killed just so someone like me could feel doubt over my suspicions, or so that I (and others) could be discredited? I don't think those voting DRK (canada/OGML & Seraph) should be given any kind of automatic town-cred just because BC and fhq flipped town.

[Kise]

Responses will be bolded.

Ignore that...... SO, how bout that Manny Pacquiao fight?

[Kise]

I think nothing of Dragon's alignment. An unbending habit of mine is to never call someone townie (nor neutral) unless I have reason to be certain. I do, however, have no problem making a scum list. With that said, Dragon is not on the scum list.

Now, I forget which one of you it is out of Hoop & Star, so could one of you tell me which one of you it is that doesn't have meta because you mimic the playstyles of others?

[Kise]

I'll have better time tomorrow to rip you all apart, earlobes to assholes. Grrr!

Quick question, Hoop - Do you think the BC lynch was unjust? Why or why not?

[Kise]

Modnote: I just lost The Game.

I FINALLY GET IT- But I lost too -_-

[Kise]

Especially considering that we had a competing lynch in DRK. I'd be willing to bet at least one scum on each of the two wagons, unless DRK is scum. But

Kise's idea that all of the players on DRK's wagon were suspicious because they weren't on BC's wagon

, and then saying they're still suspicious if BC is town is really bugging me.

Woah, careful with that misrep. I said I found canada suspicious for his selective comments. Don't think I explained why I found fhq suspicious but it was due to his coasting at the start of the game, then later for WIFOM & shooting down possibilities, yet listing his own speculations. As for Seraph, he was pushed into my suspect list after someone else asked me about him and his request for scumlists.

Also guys, don't take this post to mean I'm caught up. I skimmed the last page and nhammen's post caught my eye when he mentioned me.

Um.. so yeah, I'm looking at tomorrow to answer anything else directed towards me. Later.

[Kise]

((Dag nabbit! I keep forgetting.))

Sorry to hear about your loss, Star. Hope you are taking care of yourself and family.

[Kise]

I'm catching up tonight. I said that before, didn't I?

Just curious, who thinks Hoopla has a good plan?

[Kise]

tbh, I have no problem voting Kise. He's fitting his scum meta quite well

I have no scum meta... and I also didn't ketchup.

What's my meta then? Also, saberwolf is town.

[Kise]

Damn it, I did it again. You're right, this IS my scum meta.

Vote: Hoopla

Stop listening to this killer.

[Kise]

I know it's a shitty time to do this, but

V/LA until Sunday afternoon due to the holiday coming up.

Don't lynch a man while he's enjoying out of town enjoying cornbread and green beans. We can, however, lynch a woman. Catch my drift?

J/K Hoop. You know I'm not sexist. I just want to hang you.

[Kise]

Um...

Unvote; Vote: No Lynch

A lot of us seem to have gone. We can quicklynch someone when we're all together -- even if it's me. Just let me have some time to make posts.

Will, have you prodded Seraph lately?

[Kise]

I can't remember if I've ever played a game with him where he's been anti-town, but he's playing like he usually does when town. I know this is going to sound stupid since I said I don't give town reads (without confirmation) but I think saberwolf is okie dokie. Meta and all.

[Kise]

unvote

Deadline extension? Sure, if we can have that, oh gracious mod.

[Kise]

I agree it's fuckin' atrocious....

I mean, BAH! GO MAFIA!

[Kise]

You played like scum should. Now come and pour some liquor over my grave for your dead homie.

[Kise]

My vengeful kill could only work in non-lylo situations, which is why I HAD to die D2 if I planned on using it.

[Kise]

Hmm.. I always thought normal games just meant there would be little to no flavor about the roles and write-ups. There's been some debate about what constitutes a normal game. I'll have to chime in when I get the chance.