Mini 869 - Frat Party Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[xRECKONERx]

dramonic and Dragonfly prodded.

[Nachomamma8]

nacho is the play.

Might I ask why?

Nacho, you were trying to deflect the lynch to dragonfly. Why? Do you think he is scum? What about Sable, what is your read on him?

Definitely feeling a dragonfly scum read. Sable, on the other hand, is most definitely town (despite stubborn town).

[MichelSableheart]

Taranski, in post #698 you said that you were going to look back, and in #703 you mentioned that you wanted to think things through. What did you get out of that rethinking?

Also, is "big posts = pro town" really the only thing you got out of my posts? Don't you have anything to comment on the actual arguments being made?

[Nachomamma8]

Seraphim had a total of 19 posts, 9 of which were made in the RVS stage. Five of the remaining posts were either requests for prods or promises for more. The remaining five posts were where all his content came from, but all of the content was spent attacking what we now know to be town players.

First of all, I could still see Kise-Seraphim scumbuddies quite easily. ISO 13, which we were ACTUALLY talking about before (:P), isn't really attacking Kise that much for lurking. It just criticizes his catch up post a little bit and asks who Kise thinks is scum. This is behavior I would expect from a scumpartner- it's half hearted, and it's not exactly very aggressive, unlike his attacks on Groinhammer, DRK, and fhq (2 confirmed townies and you, might I add).

Second of all, I'd like to point out his terrific lack of content. 5 content posts is not a whole lot, and considering most of them were attacks against what are now confirmed town (when he did attack Dragonfly/Kise, it wasn't anything spectacular like his Taran/DRK/fhq/Groinhammer attacks), so I think assigning him better than a neutral read is unfair.

Dramonic, on the other hand, is scummy. Honestly, I don't see where your town read on him is coming from. He has posted zero to no content (his longest post was 5 lines, and that wasn't even a case on here), he's inactive and not answering anything against him even though his top suspect is about to get lynched, and he hasn't done anything other than answer questions asked directly of him and give his opinions on a no-lynch or whether it's LyLo or not. Thus, a scum read on him.

[Taranski]

never actually rethought/read anything. I just can't get into the mood too. Something to do with playing on this site. Honestly, I think if you guys were to start pushing my lynch, I'd be more active, cuz I'm just lazy until I feel like me lurking/being lazy will lose us the game.

And it was just a commentary on me as a player more then this game. I was leaning to believe your arguments because you spent the time to look over this game which is seemingly protown, but I realize thinking this way can be backwards because scum can easily do what you are doing.

Most of your argument is concerning connections or the lack of which is good speculation but sometimes doesn't work. But right now I think it's enough to lynch Nacho for. I don't get your town read on dramonic either.

mehhhhh

[MichelSableheart]

Sorry for the lack of reply in this post. I don't have the time at the moment that the two posts above me deserve.

I hope to do better tomorrow.

[MichelSableheart]

Argh. 2nd time I stupidly erased my post.

5 posts with content is a lot if you consider that only had a week to post them. RVS ended on friday october 23th. All posts by Seraphim after friday 30th show that he had a significant lack of time, had Limited Access, and simply didn't have the time to play. During the week he had available, he commented on a lot more then anybody else was commenting on. That's not "a terrific lack of content", that's "he became inactive shortly after the game got out of RVS".

A players content is not just who he is attacking. Seraphim gave his opinions on all players in the game. In particular, he defended BloodCovenant, who was at the time the most likely mislynch, and he started the only alternate bandwagon to a BC lynch. It is that behaviour that makes me strongly believe that playerslot is pro-town.

It's not the fact that Kise was suddenly under immense pressure, but the fact that Kise was forced to give his opinions on the game that makes Seraphim's ISO 13 so pro-town. A scumpartner would not have brought it to everyone's attention that the lengthy post #197 did not contain any opinions whatsoever.

My read of dramonic individually is neutral. During day 3, he participated in the no lynch debate. During the beginning of day 4, he participated in a discussion about being in Lylo. He did not give opinions on players, but before your vote, the topic simply hadn't come up. It would have been far better if he actually had given his opinions, but I don't believe it is unlikely that his behaviour comes from a pro-town player. I've seen townies play far, far worse.

[MichelSableheart]

With Taranski's last post, I strongly doubt there will be content by him before the end of the day. Nachomamma is right that Dramonic has not yet shown any significant content. And I see no reason whatsoever to wait for Nachomamma's scumpartner.

I hate to go after the only other active player, but delaying this will only delay the game. I have no hope of seeing additional content and have confidence in my reads.

Vote: Nachomamma8

[Nachomamma8]

Looks like Seraphim was so town he brought dramonic through with him.

Meh, I tried. Calling a dramonic/dragonfly scumpair when one of 'em finally hammers, though.

[xRECKONERx]

Vote Count #20:

dramonic (1): Nachomamma8
Nachomamma8 (2): dramonic, MichelSableheart

Not Voting (2): Taranski, Dragonfly13

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch or no-lynch.

[Nachomamma8]

Screw waiting.

Vote: Nachomamma8

[dramonic]

I have a sig for a reason...
Then again, nacho just broke the rules.

[xRECKONERx]

Actually, Nacho did not break the rules. Nothing in my rules against self-voting.

Vote Count #22:

Nachomamma8 (3): dramonic, MichelSableheart, Nachomamma8

Not Voting (2): Taranski, Dragonfly13

Nachomamma8,

Vanilla Townie

, has been lynched!

Endgame forthcoming.

[xRECKONERx]

Whoa, dudes. Looks like there's only a few of us left. What if we--

Uh oh, too late. Two knives are plunged into the backs of MichelSableheart and Taranski. Dramonic and Dragonfly13 stand, smiling, as they realize they have finally accomplished their goal.

GAME OVER! MAFIA WINS!

Role List:

BloodCovenent, Vanilla Townie
fhqwhgads, Doctor
Kise, Vengeful Mafia
nhammen, Cop

MightyFireball

Starbuck, Vanilla Townie

canadianbovine

OhGodMyLife, Vanilla Townie
DeathRowKitty, Town One-Shot Vig
Nachomamma8, Vanilla Townie
Taranski, Vanilla Townie

groinhammer saberwolf

MichelSableheart, Vanilla Townie

Seraphim

dramonic, Mafia Goon
Dragonfly13, Mafia Goon

[MichelSableheart]

Sorry Nacho, but as you said, Seraphim pulled dramonic through.

Hopefully, more thoughts will be forthcoming when I can find the time.

[Nachomamma8]

Yeah... my lurking in the beginning really screwed me over

[xRECKONERx]

Also, here are the quicktopics:

Green Zone QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/NLJx9ABqUqn

Mafia QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/2MntZFgSgtdU9

Short thoughts, the town's lack of activity is really what lost them the game. Plain and simple. Nacho had the scum pegged on the last day, but inactivity hurt him. The Mafia also killed off all the active players, which worked to their advantage, but definitely made the game less fun.

More thoughts later when I have more time.

[dramonic]

well, I was referring to selfvoting as a townie in lylo going against play to win.

Nonetheless, good game, though I feel I played bad

[Kise]

You played like scum should. Now come and pour some liquor over my grave for your dead homie.

[Hoopla]

Hi, I'm disappointed by the poor town play here after I died. I feel like we threw the game away. MichelSablehart threatened to turn things around when he replaced in, but I feel a lot of the town chances in this set-up depended on the town cop and vigilante correctly finding scum. When you have a vengeful mafia role involved it lowers the numbers quicker and it's always guarenteed to be town. I think that may have been underestimated in terms of set-up balance.

Another issue may have been the vigilante in conjunction with the vengeful mafia. It lowers the kills a lot quicker which devalues the cop as he now has less nights to investigate. Did the mafia have a roleblocker too? If so, then that is just way too much. It's no wonder mafia win so many games on this site.

Anyway, I had fun, thanks for the game everyone.

[Starbuck]

It seems as though the mafia got rid of 2 of the most active players N2 (me and Hoopla). I can see why they would do this since this was definitely one of the slowest games I've ever been apart of on the site.

[Hoopla]

It seems as though the mafia got rid of 2 of the most active players N2 (me and Hoopla). I can see why they would do this since this was definitely one of the slowest games I've ever been apart of on the site.

No, you got vigged. Presumably because you were in a state of perpetual catch up for most of the game.

[Kise]

My vengeful kill could only work in non-lylo situations, which is why I HAD to die D2 if I planned on using it.

[Hoopla]

My vengeful kill could only work in non-lylo situations, which is why I HAD to die D2 if I planned on using it.

It's still a ridiculous role that doesn't belong anywhere near a mini normal.

[Kise]

Hmm.. I always thought normal games just meant there would be little to no flavor about the roles and write-ups. There's been some debate about what constitutes a normal game. I'll have to chime in when I get the chance.