For having 3 d's in a name that short.
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I agree with Fugitive that it is a bandwagon vote, and I really don't like someone putting a fifth vote on someone in page 1. He even pretty much says it is a bandwagon vote in his post (at least that's the way I interpreted "Any problem with this vote?"). I also don't like how he said that CSL was at L-2 even though he wasn't, trying to put more pressure on him. CSL hadn't even picked up his role PM, and there are 5 votes on him before even HE knows what his role is.@ready2rock and Fugitive - What do you think of malpascp placing a fifth vote on CSL?
I'm not sure whether he even saw my vote before he posted. 2 minutes is a pretty short gap, and he could have posted without refreshing the page and my vote just happened to be there.You were quick to follow ready2rock's vote for me. That SCREAMS bandwagon.
...or I'm wrong and he did see my vote and agreed with me. Either way, I don't think that a 2nd vote on someone is a bandwagon, especially in the RVS. Yes, this means that I don't find your vote of Fugitive suspicious right now. The only 2 things I find suspicious right now are the CSL bandwagon and pman's change of mind about voting during RVS.
Also, as Fugi said, if you don't know what something means, look it up in the wiki. That's what it's there for.-
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I understand that concerning your meta, buy to a lot of people, you saying "I didn't know what that is" comes off as scum trying not to take responsibility for their actions. Therefore, it is in your best interest to know everything you can. At the very least, if you don't know something, look it up on the wiki, that way you won't waste a post being confused as to what a term means.I genuinely did not know what RVS was (as in stood for), although I now do. I personally disagree with it but I guess that's the only way to go on Day 1.
Unvotefor now because we are starting to come out of RVS. I agree with people who say that we need to hear from the people who have little to no content. It is hard to get a read from everyone when half of the people contribute almost nothing. I would especially like to hear from pie. He has only had one post of real content and I would like to hear his and other people's opinions on how the day has progressed.-
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Here are my thoughts on everyone so far:
curiouskarmadog- posts only to ask where CSL is and doesn't contribute anything else.
Bogre- seems pro-town to me. Posts good content and votes with reason
CSL- replacing out
DizzyIzzyB13- started the CSL wagon and hasn't posted since
DragonsofSummer- has been on BOTH of the large bandwagons. Hasn't posted much else.
danakillsu- hasn't posted yet
Konowa- don't like his style of play (questioning, vote happy), but I can't get a read on whether it is scummy or just the way he plays.
malpascp- has only posted to defend bandwagoning CSL
RichardGHP- seems to be more noob play than scum play to me. I'm keeping my eye on him as the game progresses.
CCARaven4- promised content but hasn't delivered yet
InflatablePie- posts good content, but hasn't posted in a while
sorasgoof- hasn't posted since RVS
ready2rock- obviously has played the best game so far. 100% town
diddin- has only 1 content post, can't really get a reading off him yet
Fugitive- has a very aggresive playing style, but nothing that comes off as scum. Doesn't avoid questions asked to him.
pman5595- seemed unsure of himself on how to start the day, but then did post some good content. However, his posts on page 1 (RVS is stupid, then random voting) still doesn't sit well with me
Nicodemus (bball for pie)- posted only once, but had some good thoughts in that post. btw, what is a "weasly voice"?
NavyCherub- seems pro-town to me. Consistently contributing throughout the entire game with god thoughts
Parama- seems to be contributing well, although I do not like his voting of diddin and dana because I don't think that putting 1 vote on someone pressures them any more than 1 person asking for content.
TheLonging- contradicts himself in post 89 ("No, I haven't found anyone suspicious", "I didn't say there was no one suspicious") as well as (I think) a misuse of a semicolon. . 104 and 105 he tries to take responsibility away from himself. He is highly suspicious in my eyes.
Concerning the CSL wagon: what is more suspicious than the wagon itself is the fact that 3 of the people on that wagon have posted almost nothing since.
Anyway, I'll take Konowa's bait even though I'm not fond of his playing style:
vote: TheLonging
FoS: curiouskarmadog, DragonsofSummer, Konowa, malpascp, RichardGHP, CCARaven4, pman5595
Would like to hear more from:
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DizzyIzzyB13
DragonsofSummer
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CCARaven4
malpascp
sorasgoof
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1. I know what you're saying, but it's really hard to differenciate between the people who are contributing because they are town and the people who are scum trying to act town. I know whom you are referring to, but he was not put under suspicion until much later in the game. I will worry about those people later.RichardGHP wrote:
I am in no way trying to attack Navy here, but "Consistently contributing throughout the entire game with go(o)d thoughts" does not necessarily constitute a pro-town player. Someone is the SH game (keeping them anonymous for their sake) did exactly this, and was always considered pro-town. Then they flipped scum. There's no guaranteeing that a similar process will happen in this game, but it's a little early in the game to be making an assessment like that.ready2rock wrote:NavyCherub- seems pro-town to me. Consistently contributing throughout the entire game with god thoughts
/my two cents
I'm not sure I agree with that huge 7-way FoS, but I can see where you're coming from this early in the game. Still, pointing a FoS at 7 people at once is not exactly the most pro-town thing to do at this point.ready2rock wrote:FoS: curiouskarmadog, DragonsofSummer, Konowa, malpascp, RichardGHP, CCARaven4, pman5595
2. I see what you're saying. To a lot of people, there is a large step between no suspicion and a FoS, and a small step between a FoS and a vote. However, to me, it is just the opposite. If they are leaning not-so-pro-town to me, I FoS them. It is mainly my list of possible suspects. However, a vote is a much bigger deal. It is a vote for a lynch, to kill someone, to eliminate them for the rest of the game. This is why I do not like the throwing around of votes.
By the way, that was not a typo. Navy's posts are god-like
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@pie: I don't think that reluctance to vote is scum tell, it's more of a style of play.
@Parama: If you really want me to narrow my list to just a couple, I will, but like I said in my previous post, That is the way I do FoS's
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@sorasgoof: it's better for you to read his posts and decide for yourself then reading other's opinions. Taking someone's word for something is probably not the best thing to do in Mafia.
@TheLonging: You said earlier in the post that you hadn't found anyone suspicious, which would be contradictory because you DID find someone suspicious.
As to your question, I have posted my thoughts on the CSL wagon earlier in the "day", so I won't post them again (44, 116). Other than them, I do find a couple of other people suspicious for various reasons, but right now you are at the top of my list.-
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pman just jumped on my scumdar for his request for a claim. A few people have posted since he has been at L-1, and none have asked for a claim. I think that it is bad to try to speak for everyone when no one else posting has asked for a claim.
Also, a claim doesn't always solve everything. Take that claim, for example. Claiming VT does almost nothing for me unless you have good evidence. Also, you seemed a little eager to claim for such a small role. For me, your eagerness to claim and your lack of evidence cancels out the desired effect of this claim. Thus, it does nothing in my eyes. I stand by my vote.-
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OK, I just read that post again, and I see what you were trying to say with your attempt at humor, but you did not phrase it well at all. You now don't come off as scum as much to me now, but I still don't like the way you change your mind when your view becomes disagreeable.
Unvotefor now for the above reasons and because I think it is too early to lynch someone at this point. I still have aFoSon you though.
Here is my new FoS list to those who wanted it narrowed down:
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@pie: It's mostly, as I said before, his aggressive style of play. He tends to question people over and over again instead of giving his own opinions. As far as something specific he's done, I really didn't like him asking for people to vote on who we think is the most suspicious. I could see it as being a town tactic for getting the game moving, but I could also see it as scum trying to start a wagon (which it did). He also has not posted since then, as if he is just sitting back and let someone get lynched.
@DragonsofSummer: could you clarify your reasons for suspicion on TheLonging? What about those two posts that you mentioned in your vote post came off as scummy? And why do you find him more scummy now than before?-
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@konowa: I should have clarified that I don't think that it is a strong case against you. If I were to rank the people I listed from most to least suspicious, you would be at the bottom of my list. I even said in my post that I could see your last post from yesterday as coming from a town player. The only reason I made that post was because pie asked me for my case on you.
The only reason I'm not removing you from my FoS list (and I almost did because you made some good points in your defense) is because of the last line
I find it odd that you would say that someone gives you town vibes because they agree with your point of view and someone comes off as scummy because they disagree with your point of view. This is also demonstrated earlier in the post when you found someone scummy because they did not want to vote for someone which, as I said before, is more a style of play than a scumtell.Dizzy calling this out also 176 gives me town vibes.
I'm keeping a FoS on you, but it's really hard to get a good read on you at this point in the game.-
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Konowa’s opinions:
25: votes for pman for his posts on page 1(which I didn’t think he was)
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doesn’t like the noob play that’s happening
likes Richard’s vote of Fugitive because...(see 42)
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too much newbie play
votes for Fugitive because he is avoiding a question
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“I agree with his [Richard's] assessment that Fugitive looked a little to eager to follow r2r's vote of Richard. The vote itself was pretty poor, especially considering everything else that was already happening.”
...so he thinks that the vote is good, yet poor?
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“unvote;
After thinking about it last night, I think I am getting more of a disconnect from Fugitive rather than a scummy vibe.”
OK. Fair analysis and unvote.
83:
“@Fugitive - I hate the RVS. I think everyone tries to get out of it as soon as possible. So in an attempt to get out of it as quickly as possible I wagon in RVS. I will attach myself to the largest wagon at the time and see how people position themself. There was no real reason for my vote other than that. As far as the CSL wagon goes, I really did not think twice about it. None of the votes of CSL really stood out to me.
@Navy - As said above, there was nothing that really stood out to me about the CSL wagon in and of itself. However, mal's 47 does not sit well with me as it looks like he is trying to project the fourth vote [DoS' vote] as inherently scummier than his.
@TheLonging - So you find nothing scummy so far? I find this a little hard to believe as there have been a few things that have happened so far that multiple people are commenting on. I think that Fugitive vs. me was just a disconnect between what I was looking for and what he thought I was looking. pman's "RVS is stupid", followed by a random vote, followed by a quick unvote initially seemed a little off to me but doing a cursory meta check it seems in line with newbie play. At the moment I find you and mal the scummiest. You so far seem to be just floating through the game without commenting on anything around you. Reasoning for mal is above. I will admit that the reasoning for both of these reads is slight as it is only page four and a number of people have not contributed yet.”
is suspicious of TheLonging because he disagrees with him that there is nothing scummy so far. Says that reasoning for suspicions is slight. Is suspicious of mal because of post 47 which to me is not the scummiest thing that he’s done.
86: clarifies his suspicions of mal
90:
“I am pretty sure that TheLonging is scum.”
This seemed to come out of nowhere to me, seemed like an OMGUS kind of situation.
97:
“What I am thinking is by no mean rock solid. It is, however, more gut than anything else. Before I lay out my thoughts I would like for everyone is who is not voting to vote who they think is the scummiest so far with a brief explanation why. This will help town out immensely.”
This is the post I don’t like. You want everyone to vote and state their reasoning before you do? Why? I will agree that it might help the town. What do you think that the town got out of this?
182:
“Generally when someone thinks along the same lines as me, it gives me town vibes.”
I do not like this at all. Just because someone finds me town or agrees with something I say does not mean that I will find them more pro-town. Likewise, I do not find someone scum just because they voted for me or don’t agree with my gameplay.
Final question to Konowa:Why do you think TheLonging is scum? You have said it 3 times and haven't really given an explanation.-
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OK Konowa, I think I did misinterpret some of your posts, especially posts 42 and 90, and you also posted some good rebuttals and reasons for the things you have done thus far. You also have posted more opinions throughout the game than I initially thought. Your last post satifies me, so I will remove you from my FoS list, but I am still suspicious ofpman5595, TheLonging, and DragonsofSummer, but not enough that I can vote for any of them.-
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TheLonging's post comes off a little more town to me because I think that if he were mafia, he would be more eager to put suspicions on other people and put a vote on other people and wouldn't bring attention to him acting suspicious. I'll keep my suspicions on him though because some of his posts just seem a little bit off.
To Annachie: sorry about the bold. I will use italics in a post like that from now on.-
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1. I already stated that I misinterpreted his posts and when he clarified for me, I removed my FoS on him.ready2rock - there was a lot of misrep in 184, not liking it at all. Plus, Konowa has stated earlier why he thinks TL is scum.
2. Where did he state that? After he said "I'm pretty sure TheLonging is scum" (90) he didn't really give a good explanation, although he has now.
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I did in post 175.DragonsofSummer wrote:@r2r: Any chance you will respond to the things I have said to you? If not I will stop caring that you have an fos on me because really it means nothing if you are going to fos me but ignore me.
Thoughts on Richard other than what other people have already posted:
His post concerning it not being easy to defend himself:
There are 2 reasons that it would be hard for you to say that you are town:
1. You are not town
2. Poor play on your part
Neither of these two things are our fault, so don't blame the fact that we made a strong case against you.
His claim:
This solidified it for me for 2 reasons:
1. You didn't back this up with any evidence as to why we should believe you, like a softclaim in your earlier posts (look it up if you don't know what it is).
2. Where is your promised defense of yourself about why you are town?
I am forced to conclude that you strove to pick out the most powerful town role you could find so that people will be reluctant to vote for you. I will not be so reluctant and I willvote: RichardGHPuntil you give a proper defense of yourself.
To other people who have been on the site longer than I have: How common is a Jack of all Trades in a normal game like this?
OK, concerning noobclaiming and why it's not good:
You have been saying a lot of things such as "It's not my fault that I don't know what x means" or "I'm not as experienced as the rest of you" these are all forms of noobclaiming, no matter how much you want to deny it. I'm going to go back to what I said earlier about your noobclaiming:
post 58 wrote:you saying "I didn't know what that is" comes off as scum trying not to take responsibility for their actions. Therefore, it is in your best interest to know everything you can. At the very least, if you don't know something, look it up on the wiki, that way you won't waste a post being confused as to what a term means.-
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no, Fugitive is right, you are being condescending. all you said in the post you quoted is that you don't really have suspicions and then proceeded to insult Fugitive's gameplay. He then responds to you with a good case against you, and you respond by insulting him more without addressing any of the points he brings up? I don't like it at all.FoS: EtherealCookie.
Also, DragonsofSummer, I already said this 2 posts before you but I'll say it again:LOOK AT MY POST 175.-
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@DragonsofSummer: I think that you kind of piggybacked off of other people in your suspicions of him.
I find it strange that in 237, you attacked me for not responding to your post 156 and yet respond to my question in 175 in the same post.
Also, about your post 156, there is a difference between giving reasons for a vote with logic and "relentless spamming of a thread".
@curiouskarmadog: his claim is not the only reason that I voted, but it solidified my vote. Also, I said the most powerful town rolehe could find.
Also, there are 3 PBP analysis on RichardGHP and his claim of Jack of all Trades and you have no comment on it at all?
@EthernalCookie: If it is such a terrible case then you should easily be able to go through his post and prove how terrible it is, yet all you seem to do is to insult him. If his case is terrible, then I must be an idiot because it has convinced me.-
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I'm not just referring to that post. Here is a list of things you have said about NavyCherub:It could be because he wants to make the right choice when killing someone tonight.I used it to make sure that people didn't misinterperate my post as to think that I want Navy gone, which I don't, at least not yet.Who knows if he wanted opinions to help him choose his NK?
Yet you say you find him pro-town?I'm not ruling out the possibility that he has a killing role of some sort. At least not yet.-
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Vote: curiouskarmadog
Now, before you say OMGUS, let me explain myself
1st 7 pages: posts nothing except things about CSL.
page 8 post (186): Says that the wagon is "as good a wagon as any", but suspects 3 people for being on the wagon, including Richard.
page 13 post (320): votes pie (without bolding, so it didn't count) for riding the wagon, even though he was the 2nd (3rd if you want to count NavyCherub's vote that didn't count) to vote for him. Says this: "if I had to chose at this point in the game who was scum....think it would be here.". Also asks about Richard's claim
332: bolds his vote. Clarifies his question about Richard's claim. Doesn't bring up pie again.
334: votes me for reasons I have already defended in 342.
389: talks about the claim. Finds it believable even though it isn't in green font, and questions everyone else for not believing it.
390: says that everyone should vote for me without even acknowledging my defense or giving any further reasoning.
In short, he has only addressed the wagon on someone and uses the person's claim as to why he is not voting for them. He has not looked at the actual case that people use against someone. He also voted for pie, calling him the scummiest player, and hasn't mentioned him since. Therefore, before I even think about taking my vote off of you, you need to answer these two questions:
1. As I said in 342, there are 3 PBP analysis and now a defense from RichardGHP that he asked people for opinions on. What do you think of RichardGHP's play? NOT his claim, NOT the wagon on him (you addressed both of those in 389), but his play in general. Do you find it suspicious?
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By the way, I have no idea what to think of Richard at this point, so I am now off of his wagon. Now all I need to do is to make my claim in green font at some point and ckd won't suspect me anymore. [/sarcasm]
Also here is my FoS list at this point:
DragonsofSummer
RichardGHP
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malpascp wrote:Richard seems the lynch for today so far, but the deadline is in three weeks. I think Richard is a good wagon and Ill move vote to him if needed, but maybe some extra talk before ending the day can be useful.
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I dont really have scum reads on anyone else. Scum needs to screw up a bit more.FoS malpascpuntil he comes up with more content. There is almost 15 pages of material you have missed. I really hope that's not all you have to say.-
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OK, this is a different kind of voting record that shows who each person has voted for so far today in order. Bold indicates their current vote. Let me know if there are any mistakes.
curiouskarmadog: CSL, CSL, InflatablePie,ready2rock
Bogre: RichardGHP,TheLonging
Annachie: TheLonging
DizzyIzzyB13:CSL (Annachie)
DragonsofSummer: CSL, TheLonging, RichardGHP,sorasgoof
EtherealCookie: CCARaven4,Konowa
Konowa: CSL, pman5595, Fugitive,TheLonging
malpascp: CSL
RichardGHP: Fugitive,TheLonging
CCARaven4:RichardGHP
InflatablePie: Fugitive, TheLonging,RichardGHP
sorasgoof: curiouskarmadog,RichardGHP
ready2rock: diddin, RichardGHP, TheLonging, RichardGHP,curiouskarmadog
diddin: TheLonging, No Lynch,RichardGHP
Fugitive: NavyCherub, RichardGHP, RichardGHP
pman5595: everyone, sorasgoof, Fugitive, TheLonging, malpascp
Nicodemus: InflatablePie, pman5595,RichardGHP
NavyCherub: Fugitive, RichardGHP, TheLonging,RichardGHP
Parama: curiouskarmadog, diddin, danakillsu, TheLonging,DragonsofSummer
TheLonging: NavyCherub, RichardGHP, Konowa,RichardGHP
Not Voting: Annachie, malpascp, Fugitive, pman5595
@DragonsofSummer: care to explain why you voted for sorasgoof?-
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Responses incuriouskarmadog wrote:
So I am scum who doesn’t a.) want to get a quick lynch, and b.) wants the day to go longer to get more information? Nice.ready2rock wrote:
In short, he has only addressed the wagon on someone and uses the person's claim as to why he is not voting for them.
Where did I say that you wanted a quick lynch? The conclusion I am drawing (that you didn't quote by the way) is that " He has not looked at the actual case that people use against someone." In other words, you didn't address the reasons why, for example, you didn't vote for TheLonging other than saying "Oh, he claimed VT and it's in GREEN FONT, so he must be telling the truth and x amount of people on the wagon must be scum.
Wait wait, no I am scummy because I opinion changed? I think you are the scummiest player now, funny how you didn’t have a problem with my stance when I said it about Pie.ready2rock wrote: He also voted for pie, calling him the scummiest player, and hasn't mentioned him since.
Again, not the point I was trying to make. You called him the scummiest player and all of a sudden, you unvote the really scummy player with no reasoning or any views on him such as "his last few posts have seemed a lot more pro-town to me". It's as if once I made my post, pie just went away and I'm positive that if I hadn't voted for you, I would have too. I don't like it.
Meh, not really….think I have already stated who I find or have found suspicious.ready2rock wrote:
Do you find it suspicious?
Really, where? I went through all your posts and did not find anything about a list of suspicious people.
Also, I will clarify my question. WHY do you not find RichardGHP suspicious (outside of his claim)?
I am an expert scum hunter…LOL…how about this…your timing of both the main wagons you have been on. Day 1..not much to go on….I find things that people (especially newer people) argue are scummy day 1 are not indeed scummy, but scum trying to push something to get a quick Day 1 lynch.ready2rock wrote:
Do you have any reasoning as to why I'm such a good wagon other than the reasons I have defended in 342?
...So all arguments on day 1 are invalid? That would make your argument against me invalid and anyone who has posted any opinions today on suspicions scum. Also, I can't help the timing of my votes. What do you want me to do, scumhunt and post in my sleep? Make sure that I'm the first to vote for someone? I guarantee that that will not get anyone anywhere.
R2R, why did you not address my reasons I don’t like a Richard lynch? You scared?
Again, point out these above reasons, because I can't find them. Also, AtE.
LOL, wasnt R2R on your wagon at one point? Interesting connection.TheLonging wrote:
Bullshit, I don't see how R2R is a much better wagon than RichardGHP. How do you think he is?curiouskarmadog wrote:also, R2R is a much better wagon.....
I was, but so were about half of the other players. What are you trying to imply?
please comment on why I dont think richard is a good lynch today...then explain to me WHY richard is a better lynch? Why do you think that statement is bullshit? Why did you not address the post directly before that statement?
He has already made his case against Richard, a case, like all of the other ones except mine, that you just ignored, but I'll let TheLonging speak for himself.
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Hey Richard….you understand that if you are not the lynch today…you are going to have to use your investigation ability tonight…I don’t want any bullshit, like I forgot..or didn’t see your post..or any of that. Do you have a problem with that? IF so why?
See Fugitive's post on this subject.
whoa whoa whoa...what? Who said anything about a RB? do you know something we dont? If he is blocked, he is blocked and we will deal with it tomorrow. Considering you didnt unvote with this posts leads me to believe you dont even want an attempt to see if he is lying..or see if he is blocked. Welcome to my scum list, bub.sorasgoof wrote:Oh, and if your investigation is blocked, we'll really be in a pickle. I'm not sure I'd believe you if you come back with a blocked investigation. That'd be too easy to make up, you know?
Unvote, vote sorasgoof
this post (and lack of an unvote) screams inside knowledge and fear.
again, I will let sorasgoof address this.
oh oh , guess what R2R, I think Soras is now scummier...does that make me scummier?
See above about pie.
so let me get this straight. You dont believe Richard's claim, and as "town" dont want an attempt to see an investigation?TheLonging wrote:I'm not really comfortable believing RichardGHP's claim still. Sure it seems beyond his capability to look it up and try to fake it... but I wouldn't put it completely beyond him.
You slipping up a bit there sorasgoof?sorasgoof wrote:I suggest you do use your investigation tonight, Richard. Someone better protect you, though, or it won't matter one way or the other. If you aren't mafia, I'll bet the mafia targets you tonight.
FoS: sorasgoof
Again, see Fugitive's post
Furthermore, you think that sora might have "slipped", but it only deserves an "fos" over someone who might or might not have an investigation?....interesting...can you please confirm this is your stance.
Actually, it's not his stance. His stance is that it deserves a FoS over someone that is LYING about having an investigative role.italics.-
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You keep saying that you have mentioned other people, but WHERE (outside of a post you made 10 pages ago)?-I changed my opinion. I have also mentioned other people I think are scummy…why not mentioned “I haven’t said anything about them”?“why do I not find Richard suspicious”…well, I never said I didn’t…curiouskarmadog, post 420 wrote:
Meh, not reallyready2rock wrote: Do you find [Richard's play] suspicious?
What arguments are suspicious? I feel that I have stated my reasoning quite clearly and have provided original content about the person I am voting for. If not, please find somewhere (outside of RVS) where I haven't.no not all arguments Day 1 is scummy. But a lot are suspicious.
OK, do you stand by those suspicions? Has that list changed? if so, to whom?Also check out my post 7, Kon asked who I felt was scummy.
I'll try this question one more time. What do you think of RichardGHP's play throughout the game? Do you think that the people who have voted for him, especially the people who have given a PBP analysis on him, have a legitimate case against him? WHY OR WHY NOT?
see above.And I don’t think you are understanding what I mean by timing…it isn’t the time of day…it is your position on the wagon itself..
1. what is this part in response to?please read my post 11, I explain why Richard is not a good lynch for the town
2. Please use post subjects instead of your format (i.e. post 389 instead of my post 11), it makes it easier to find for me.
Also, I apologize to TheLonging in trying to speak for you. I thought that, given your previous posts on the subject, that that was reasonable to infer. However, if you feel annoyed by it, I won't do it again.-
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OK. Sorry I haven't posted in a while, I just do not know what to think at this point. I'm going to go through the entire thread again today.
I'm going to promise the following (otherwise I'll get lazy and not do it):
thoughts on each player
scum list
possible change in vote (especially if ckd answers some of those questions well that I posed to him a few pages ago)
updated voting history
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Thoughts on each player pending, but for now, please enjoy this voting history:
curiouskarmadog: CSL, CSL, InflatablePie, ready2rock, sorasgoof
Bogre: RichardGHP, TheLonging.pman5595
Annachie: TheLonging,malpascp
DizzyIzzyB13:CSL (Annachie)
DragonsofSummer: CSL, TheLonging, RichardGHP,sorasgoof
EtherealCookie: CCARaven4, Konowa,sorasgoof*
Konowa: CSL, pman5595, Fugitive,TheLonging
malpascp: CSL
RichardGHP: Fugitive, TheLonging,sorasgoof
CCARaven4: RichardGHP,TheLonging
InflatablePie: Fugitive, TheLonging, RichardGHP, diddin, sorasgoof
sorasgoof: curiouskarmadog, RichardGHP,pman5595
ready2rock: diddin, RichardGHP, TheLonging, RichardGHP,curiouskarmadog
diddin: TheLonging, No Lynch, RichardGHP,sorasgoof
Fugitive: NavyCherub, RichardGHP, RichardGHP
pman5595: everyone, sorasgoof, Fugitive, TheLonging, malpascp, malpascp,sorasgoof*
Nicodemus: InflatablePie, pman5595, RichardGHP, malpascp,sorasgoof
NavyCherub: Fugitive, RichardGHP, TheLonging, RichardGHP, diddin,sorasgoof
Parama: curiouskarmadog, diddin, danakillsu, TheLonging, DragonsofSummer, pman5595,sorasgoof
TheLonging: NavyCherub, RichardGHP, Konowa, RichardGHP,sorasgoof
Not voting:curiouskarmadog, malpascp, InflatablePie, Fugitive
*I did not see an unvote from you, but the mod is counting it in his totals so I will too.
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Still going through everyone's post. I'm not going to be done tonight, but I will at least pose the questions I have so far:
@DizzyIzzyB13: Why is your vote still on CSL? Why not unvote? It seems like it is doing nothing where it's at.
@ckd: see post 432
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@ckd: I asked you to answer those questions from 10 pages ago because you have avoided them for 10 pages and I think that most of those questions are still important now.
Also, did you read the post that it was in? I said that I have this thing now that I am involved in again called SCHOOL, meaning I am not home most of the day. I said that my content was COMING SOON and I will start working on it now.-
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curiouskarmadog: I think you guys know my views on him, but my vote is doing NOTHING where it’s at, so I willunvotefor now. Also, if you could answer my questions from 432, that would be great.
Bogre: Getting pro-town vibes from him. Posts good content
Annachie: posts aren’t very in depth, but does bring up some good points. Neutral.
DizzyIzzyB13: Why is your vote still on CSL? Why not unvote? Lurking. Only posts when asked something and doesn’t contribute much.
DragonsofSummer: I don’t like 394 (about not posting content and gut feelings) “If I don't feel like it I never have to give a reason for anything” and he hasn’t. I also don’t like his condescending tone
EtherealCookie: I’m not liking his “I’ve done nothing scummy” claim (450). See above. These 2 have very similar play that I don’t like at all. (I typed this up before he was getting replace and I think that Nicodemus made a good point)
Konowa: awaiting his thoughts on the events of today
malpascp: POST SOMETHING ALREADY!!!
RichardGHP: I think that this calls for an ¯\(°_o)/¯
CCARaven4: Lurking. Has posted ZERO original content in the thread. I also don’t like how in his post 82, he said that his reasoning for TheLonging wasn’t enough to act on, yet after a wagon had formed on TheLonging, he said that he would have voted for him for the exact same reasoning as post 82 if it wasn’t for his claim, saying that he would have been “completely confident in a hammer” (153). Has not posted for a while.
InflatablePie: Side note: managed to call Fugitive “fugi”, “fuji”, and “fuigi” in the same paragraph (45). Seems to post good content and ask good questions to people. Has been suspicious of sorasgoof for a while.
Also, in general, I'm getting sick of people saying that they have posted the answer to a question already. Either just answer it again or link to where you said it because obviously I either didn't see your answer or didn't think it was good enough.[/rant]-
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About Richard: it's not that I don't have an opinion on him, it's that I am very confused about him at this point.
I will go and look at Dizzy's posts again tomorrow and (hopefully) finish up with the analysis of each player. The problem is that I keep getting pressured into posting content as quickly as possible, so I go as fast as I can. As a result, I might miss something or not get something right, then people call me out for missing something or not being thorough or careful enough.
Also, I just found where I can do a PBP analysis way faster, so this shouldn't take as long now. Will respond to ckd later.-
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OK, here is the rest of the list:
sorasgoof: Definitely playing kind of out there, but nothing I think is actually “scum”. The quote that makes me think the most that he is not scum is this: “Basically, though I really don't want to be lynched, I'd be willing to die if it would help the town.” Now what possible reason would scum have to make that post (of course, that might be what he wants me to think, but I don’t want to get into WIFOM)? I think that he is a pro-town player that misunderstands things and gets misrepresented.
ready2rock: obv town.
diddin: Something seems off about him, but I just can’t place it. I especially don’t like this quote “even though the wagon on him fell apart, he's still semi-suspicious”. So other people getting off the wagon changes your opinion of them? That is blatant wagoning. Also, I find it strange that in your scum list (730), you did not list pman even though he is one of 2 people (Richard being the second) that you have consistently found suspicious throughout the entire game. In fact, I really don’t like that post in general.
Fugitive: see Bogre.
pman5595: things I don’t like about his play:
RVS actions (already been explained many times)
Voting Fugitive for the exact same reasons as Konowa (trying to get a wagon going?)
post 459 (puts suspicions on the 4 people that have gotten the most votes)
post 551 (really weak reasoning on voting for sorasgoof, some misrepresentation in his summary)
post 567 (REALLY? He is pretty much admitting that it is a wagon vote and that he was summarizing everyone else’s points to make it look like he was contributing something
I’m thinking that he is scum who gets on wagons and reposts everyone else’s reasons to appear as if he is contributing.
Nicodemus: see Bogre
NavyCherub: makes some good points, but doesn’t post too often (not necessarily a bad thing). Neutral read.
Parama: see above. I’m waiting for the weekend when I hope he will give a content post.
TheLonging: Neutral. He seems to be going back and forth between Richard and sorasgoof and thinks that both are scum.
Also, I apologize to Dizzy. I looked at the posts again and the only thing that seemed off was keeping the vote of CSL.
My top 3 scum (in no particular order):
CCARaven4
diddin
pman5595
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I have 2 things to add on concerning ckd:
1. I realize that Konowa asked you about that, but like I said in the question, that was 10 pages beforehand. You did give an answer that satisfied me though.
2. That vote is not OMGUS for 2 reasons:
a. I provided reasoning
b. I didn't do it right after he voted for me, that might be OMGUS. I did it after he said that I was the better wagon while providing no reasoning. He also was trying to control the town by trying to convince them to start a wagon on me which, as someone pointed out earlier, is not the most pro-town thing to do.
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No, but there is a problem with trying to appear helpful for the sake of appearing helpful. That is scummy. You could have just quoted other people's posts you agreed with if they said it so well and maybe added a sentence or two of your thoughts and voted. Instead, you provided false information, misinterpreted his posts, and provided very faulty logic overall that sorasgoof easily defended in your vote.pman5595 wrote:
I explained this in that post and I will re-explain it here. I voted for sorasgoof because I thought he was scum. I had been convinced by the arguments of others.ready2rock wrote:post 567 (REALLY? He is pretty much admitting that it is a wagon vote and that he was summarizing everyone else’s points to make it look like he was contributing something
I’m thinking that he is scum who gets on wagons and reposts everyone else’s reasons to appear as if he is contributing.
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I need to go to bed now, and I'll reply to other people tomorrow, but I have a question for Konowa in his analysis of me:
Without using a WIFOM argument, explain why I would put CCARaven4 on my scum list if we are both scum. You cannot say that it is bandwagoning because there were exactly 0 votes on him at that point.-
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1. I didn't say no reasoning. I said quote them and add on a couple of sentences of your own thoughts.I believe I mentioned this also. Imagine the outbreak if I voted with no individual reasoning. I would be lynched in 2 minutes.
2. There are plenty of people that have played this way so far that have gotten only 1 or 0 votes.
Also, I provided a top 3 already, but here it is in order:
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I'll wait to hear from DoS before I vote for him, but that is a very convincing case you made against him Parama. If he wants to not be lynched today, then he is going to have to have a really solid defense. I didn't like his play from the beginning, but I didn't think that he should be lynched today because he wasn't going to convince anyone in the town to do anything anyway. But, when you put it that way, I guess that any scum is good for day 1.
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