Ok. I read xvart again because I was really sleepy last night and tended to fail near the end.
-He says he doesn't buy A_squirrel's vote being decided by random.org.
I do not accept that it was a coincidence; but, I don't necessarily think it was scummy; I think it's null at this point. It shall be filed away. With that said:
This is something that I do not follow. Why didn't he think it was scummy?
The point I was making about filing it away was simply because if a pattern of behavior develops surrounding the same sort of behavior I was mentioning, it ceases to be a null tell. One simple comment that can appear scummy can be made by anyone, but if it happens over and over, then further scrutiny is needed.
Help me understand. If he continues to do this kind of things he will be more likely scum or it will be more likely an attribute of his playstyle and therefore a nulltell?
while I may understand your train of thougths, I have trouble taking in your personality. You're different from what I'm used to.
-Says he should've said IGMEOY instead of "filing Away" the matter.
sidenote:
I don't think second place is really relevant. All that matters is the win. If a jester wins first or not. It's not our problem. The only problem is reducing our chances by not lynching scum today.
tl,dr:
I feel xvart is town. A particular one. But town.
@TheButtonmen:
Do you think that if xvart is scummy because he increased his postcount after you started pressuring him?
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After my post.
xvarts wrote:
Yes, I do tend to be a little verbose. I like to write posts that are a little more extravagent to add some personal flavor.
I didn't mean you were verbose or snob. I meant that you used words that had a strong accusation implied in them. You wouldn't say a town player fabricates things, would you?
also. You're the first to mention a 3 man scumteam. Why did you? What do you think is more probable?
Aranfan wrote:I like Humble, he posts a lot of info and makes cognizant points. I feel he's town.
Thank you very much. Do you have a similar feeling on anyone else? Or a scum-read/feeling on someone?
5cvm... You've just avoided answering my questions and mocked everyone. You're climbing higher in the lynching scoreboard. If you're town, I strongly encourage you to do whatever you think you're doing to get scum. But do it fast and claim who's scum.
@Seregil.
Can you look back at my first post and answer my question?
@Evilgorrilaz:
I forgive you.
But you haven't posted enough to have the slightest read on you. Therefore, you're as much as a liability as 5cvm.
ConfidAnon wrote:
1. No, its definitely not straightforward. I said it in a blunt manner to get reactions and add dramatic effect. AranFan was basically writing off 5cvm as scum. You can interpret it in different ways, but I feel that if 5cvm is scum, AranFan is likely scum because of it.
Ok. What if 5cvm is town? Would that mean anything regarding AranFan's allignment?
Humble Poirot wrote:Why do you try to guess teammates with no flips? How is that pro-town?
ConfidAnon wrote:3. How is it not pro-town? Scum are, excluding Masons, the only players in the game who know each others' alignments. Therefore, there will probably be some connections between them. Looking for those connections is a genuine scumhunting tactic. Obviously looking for connections should not be completely substituted for individual scummy behavior, but it can be a profitable line of inquiry.
I feel that trying to connect one player (assuming scum) with another to explain why you're voting is extremely weak and subject to manipulation. Until you have a flip, you can't link players to get a lynch. You need to lynch them for their exclusive playstyle. You can try to analyze connections once you have information from a flip. I understand your view but I don't share it. I think is a bad move. Especially early in the game. And lets not forget about the fact that usually "nothing is what it seems" in mafia.
@ChiboSempai
. I know where you come from now. But still, you should only take into account MS games. Other websites lack the theory to make really balanced setups. MS is generally more balanced because it has more documentation and history.
I DONT think 5cvm is scum. It's just to bold for what I perceive his personality to be. He might be jester. But that shouldn't concern us at all. If you think he is scum. Lynch away.
Rite wrote:
I want this day to end. I've already made my thoughts on 5cvm clear-- think he's just goofing around. I'm tired of it.
This I can not tolerate. You havent posted enough to want the day to end. You provide no reads whatsoever because you've been absent (intentionally or not). You can't just end the day. Also, what if he is goofing around? Do you think scum would goof around? why? If you don't think so, why are you voting him?
@Seregil
, are you saying that 2 people that are fighting on day 1 are scum together? Why cant they be town against scum? Why can't it be town against town?
rite wrote:Because I'm not a fan at all of day ones, where everything is just conjecture based on little evidence. After the first night, when you can go back and look at previous posts and try to glean something, that's what I like in this game, not the he-said she-said stuff that, in my experience, usually just ends with a random person getting lynched anyway.
On an unrelated note,
mod
, I'm out of town on business until Monday, and my internet access will be sporadic if existent.
What posts do you pretend to glean on??? You, Evilgorrilaz, hito still need to post much more before we can get the slightest read. You keep going on V/LA and you want it to end fast? If you want the day to end now. You must surely have something to "glean"... because there wont be more posts if the day ends. What have you got. Avoiding this will cause me to vote you.
TheButtonmen wrote:
@ Humble
, What do you mean I said scum is overt? If they were this game would be a hell of allot easier. Also Welcome to the game, hope you enjoy your stay and if you don;t mind me asking what's your previous experience with mafia?
Mainly for this:
thebuttonmen wrote:@Aranfan Eliminating someone as a possible scum because they are too scummy to be scum is a terrible idea!
Sigh even if there was a a Jester; playing as a Jester is basically playing like scum (given that a jester wants to be lynched, thus they emulate scum). So if there was a jester there should be no way to tell their posts apart from scums.
Thus to assume there's a jester and ignore scummy posts for being to scummy means you also ignore scum tells from the mafia.
Bolded for emphasis. I disagree that scum and jester play alike. Jester can be overt to get lynched. He might play however he likes. Drop subtle scumtells or be pretty obv. Scum can't really do this. It would be extremely foolish. Scum only gambyts playing too scummy and trying to be seen as a jester when people start waggoning them. So, in their desperation, they might resort to this WIFOMic tactic, doomed to fail. Because they migth be vigged or inspected. They're getting to much in the spotlight.
My experience in MS is 1 & 1/2 games by myself. The 1/2 game is because we broke the setup and the mod stopped it
. A friend of mine introduced me to mafia and allowed me to contribute in his games. I've read like 13-15 gamse. I know the wiki. I've played some lame games on other sites too. I've played some basic mafia IRL too. That's about it. Without being arrogant, I'd like to consider myself a decent player. But I still have trouble sometimes separating bad logic from scum logic. Town can make mistakes too. I try to get reads on everyone before moving on. I don't want d1 to end fast without expressing who I think is scum with a decent degree of certainty.
anyway... what is scum's posting style? you mention it
here. Have you seen someone posting like that?
Seregil wrote:Also there is no deadline so I don't feel any pressure to vote.
Dont you think votes are useful? They serve the purpose of pressure and they clearly define who you're accusing.
Evilgorrilaz: I think you're the one active lurking. You've said very little in the last few posts. I'm going to ask you something. What if 5cvm was modkilled and flipped town? Who would you vote then? What if he flipped jester?
hitogoroshi wrote:Why are we not voting 5cvm. To everyone not voting 5cvm: What are you waiting for, exactly?
I dont think he is scum. Why do you want to lynch him so fast? What do you think about people like rite, hito or evilgorrilaz? How do you intend to get them if any of those are scum?
Even if we ended up lynching 5cvm we shouldn't end the day quickly unless everyone has posted enough content about the game.
I like.
Ok. From now on, I'll post once a day if possible. Im caught up.
So I'll
vote Evilgorillaz
but rite looks like a good candidate too. If I'm going to lynch someone. I'd rather lynch people I can't read at all and that seem to be trying to be in the spotlight.
If you are to be Hercule Poirot, you must think of everything.