Mini 892 - Mayor Mafia (GAME OVER)

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I support myself or nhammen for mayor.

Discuss.

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Why am I the fat old guy?

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nhammen is a

very

good scumhunter. Hence my support for his mayoralness.
Though. I'm badass. So. Vote me.

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MM, that wasn't his list for mayor.

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I'm just being honest.

I

will

make campaign posters. Don't push me.

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brb, need 2 find a bebe

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Get off his dick, dammit.

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MIC's picture tells no lies.

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Why do you think you cannot read me, nhammen? And what players do you think CAN read me? Not even I can read myself. I'm illiterate.

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Let's see. The first game we were in together was my first newbie game (can't remember the number; its in my wiki). You were scum, and I didn't agree with everyone else's opinions. Although in that game, I couldn't pick out a single scum...
Next was Day Night. I didn't have any real read on you in that game either, if I am remembering correctly. Are those the only two games we have been in together? I guess so. So I haven't played in more games with you than everyone else.
I don't remember being able to read you in either game though. Maybe I'm wrong about Day Night. My memory isn't that great. That's why I rely on logical scumhunting rather than gut.

Actually, you're solely the reason that I got lynched in that newbie game. You pegged me as scum from the start.

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I remember a specific comment going "nhammen is a scum hunting BEAST!".

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MIC, don't do it.

Vote: MIC

Support: Reckoner

Yeah, I did it.

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a) I'm on this site all day every day except for two nights a week when I'm at work... so yeah, I'm pretty active.
b) Am I easy to read? That's up for you guys to decide, but I think my intentions are pretty transparent?
c) To be quite honest, I'm not the BEST scumhunter.
d) Conversely, I

am

good at pegging people as town.
e) I dunno... did this convince you?

Support: Hoopla

for now, because I've seen how good she can be as town. Then again, I can see how good she'd be as scum, too.

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Yay.

Unvote, Vote: MonkeyMan

because he's

always

scum. NO EXCEPTIONS.

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I don't see why it's page four and I'm getting flak for not being helpful.

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I don't like Hoopla's idea, to be honest.

Remove support from Hoopla

Even if we give the lynchee the role of mayor, there's no way to know for sure if the person he picks to succeed him is going to be town.

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Just realized charter's avatar is still "Feed the Animals". Awesome.

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I'm very intrigued by the above question.

And, I think I can agree with Hoopla's compromise: let's figure out a lynchee, THEN figure out mayor.

Socrates' 154 is actually pretty awful. For reference, see MM's rebuttal. Is it enough to make me hop off the Monkey wagon? Hmm...

Unvote, Vote: Socrates

Yeah. Let's switch it up a little. P.S. (Some of this has to do with meta. It seems every time I play with MM or have read his play, he gets run up to a lynch pretty early on for rather bullshit reasons.)

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I had lots of responses to this at once.

My first is: none of this actually argues why scum would be more inclined to do this action, or why townies shouldn't do it.

My second is: This attitude is preying on (or falling prey to) two things 1) a central dislike/distrust of people who want to lead: "This guy is asking for my trust, he MUST have ulterior motives." and 2) the impulse to think of the guy highlighting his qualifications as arrogant. This is why nobody trusts politicians even though a signifigant portion of them aren't corrupt

. It is comforting to look at somebody acting all humble and modest and think "that guy isn't trying to mislead me, I should trust him. and he isn't an arrogant jerk who only talks about how awsome he is." Even though this ignores that modesty isn't proof of qualification for a position, and modesty is easy to fake.

My third is: that point about a defense coming from someone other than the accused is really bad. You should judge the logic and the facts, not where it is coming from to determine if the points are valid.

My fourth is: if you are genuine, scum would have such an easy time manipulating you it isn't even funny.

I guess what I am saying is that your argument is a complicated form of AtE and you are being too irrational Monkey.

1) I agree with his first point.

2) The whole aside about the politician in the second post really seemed like fluff to me.

3) Monkey is right about this: not judging it at least partially based on player relationships in-game is just plain dumb.

4) Okay, but what about it? Irrelevant, really. I'm an easy mislynch target too in many of my games, doesn't make me scum.

5) I don't think AtE is necessarily a scumtell.

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@DDD:

I'm an awful player. You'll eventually learn this about me. *points to 4-10 win/lose record*

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@nhammen: MIC changed his support off of me, and I was jokingly-upset-and-pleading for him not to do so.

@MIC: You talked about me and Socrates - what makes you support me over nhammen for mayor?

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Ok, I'm gonna

support: Socrates

since he seems to know what he's doing. I don't know whether I want to vote Monkey yet, since I don't want to lynch the cop, but there's a big chance that that's a L1 last change fake-claim. I guess I'll put him at L1, because I'm pretty sure noone can get lynched until we elect a mayor.

vote: Monkeyman

...really?

..fucking really?

Unvote, Vote: kyle99

And while I'm at it,

support: nhammen

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And yet even more evidence to make me worried about a possible nhammen/reck scum team...

...how is that evidence of a me/nham scumteam, exactly?

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Col is wroooooooooooooong. /KevinSpacey

I'm not buddying up to nhammen: I just sincerely trust his judgment.

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That just made my morning hangover go away.

This nhammen wagon reeks of scum tbqh

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I'd say lynch Kyle.

I'm also officially not a fan of Hoopla's plan and would prefer nhammen for Mayor. But if majority agrees on Hoop's plan, I'm on board.

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No - I just don't think mayor on D1 is that important so I'm not gonna prevent the town from electing who they actually want.

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Also: I don't mean just the votes on the wagon, I mean the general suspicion of nhammen.

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Sorry I've been inactive - I'll have sporadic activity for the next week or so due to exams. In any case, my thoughts on the current wagons:

1; The DDD wagon is attractive due to his back-and-forth with SC on Page 12, but something about MonkeyMan hopping on the wagon so quick makes me pump the brakes. I still wouldn't be opposed to a DDD lynch, though.

2; For anyone NOT voting kyle: what is your read on him, and why aren't you voting him if you have a scum read?

3; Socrates made some good posts recently, so despite the fact I was suspicious of him, I think he'd be a decent candidate for mayor (if people aren't going to vote nhammen. Or me ).

4; I'm starting to get some definite reads here, but I won't be sharing until D2.

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I already answered and said it wasn't just the votes, it was the quick shift in most people's attitudes towards nhammen, vote or no vote.

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Mostly SC, though I can't decide if SC just picked up on a good townie to cast suspicion on, THEN other people agreed... or if he's the townie trying to scumhunt, and scum is just hopping in with the whole "Yeah! I'd lynch nhammen too!" bit. Either way, I think the suspicion of nhammen is kinda bullshit tbqh

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Just because I like the back and forth between you and DDD doesn't mean I don't think your reasons for voting nhammen are weaksauce.

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Gut read of town on Hoopla, if anything because of her meta holding up.

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I'm not going to waste time and tell you all the things you guys think is scummy that I don't think is scummy. Let's just say that nothing nhammen has done has raised any red flags in my mind.

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I'm really not seeing any way that Reckoner isn't scum. Just saying.

If I'm scum, what does that make nhammen?

Who are my scumbuddies?

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I just don't see where charter is going with this line of questioning. It's nit-picky and obnoxious.

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Yes, let's base my meta off of one game.

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I'm not sure about everyone else yet, my brain is killing me right now...

Yeah, mine too, that's the problem. You could make a case against almost anyone for being scum right now.

Cool content, bro

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*facepalm*

Hate to break it to you folks, but neither Hoop nor MM are the lynches for today. kylelynch gogogo

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charter, I'm not saying anything about MM because

I don't feel like wasting time even considering lynching the claimed cop

. There are other places to find our D1 lynch.

MM is semi-right, though, your tunneling is rather... stand-out.

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Picked up my prod.

As I've said already a few times, I do not want to lynch a claimed cop on D1 under any circumstances. I saw it happen in another game on this site, and it was poor town play. I refuse to vote MM.

In any case, I still want to lynch kyle... though, if it comes down to it, I prefer a Hoopla lynch over a MM lynch.

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I'll find more shit on Kyle tomorrow. LOOOONG night trying to power through KH2 before exams kick back in next week.

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Charter's list assumes those are the only outcomes. It definitely pings my scumdar that he's creating false dilemmas in order to get a claimed cop lynched.

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No, I am not voting Monkey today. SaintKerrigan's vote is hawt. I suggest more like that.

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Oh, shit, that's right. I totally forgot about that. >.> Here we go:

Semi-PBPA on kyle99

0: No-content comment on the picture of us all holding a casket. Whatever. I made an irrelevant comment about it too, nothing flag-raising here.

1: Blatantly says he'll just go with whatever the majority thinks. Easy target for scum to manipulate, and also means he won't be doing any active scum/townhunting.

2: Supports hoopla

because he's not sure who would be the best mayor

. So, uh, why hoopla, then? Slight scumvibe here.

3: Promises to be more decisive. Null.

4: Puts the claimed cop at L-1 after supporting Socrates (because he thinks Socrates knows what he's doing >.>). Weak reasoning for a support vote PLUS putting the claimed cop at L-1 after just admitting he doesn't know if he wants to vote for MM yet? Big scumvibe. PING!

5: Says his suspects are MM for claiming cop, nhammen for believing the claim, and DDD for different meta from the newbie game. Says DDD isn't saying anything of importance. I slightly disagree, but his first two suspects are enough to hit my scumdar even more.

6: Says his MM vote was the best vote for the time being. How about NO vote? Why did you HAVE to put the claimed cop at L1?

7: Asks for vote count. After being pressured, it seems like a way to avoid prods/appear "helpful". Newbscum tactic ahoy!

8: Says I'm his top suspect.... doesn't say why. Just turns the question back on nhammen.

9: Says Serial is a clueless townie, and MIC seems scummy. NO SUPPORT/CONTENT.

10: Misreps SC by saying he wants to lynch six people and hasn't made any posts of value. That's the second time he has claimed someone has made no posts of value (DDD and SC). Quite the hypocritical claim.

And by this point, you can see why I'm voting him. He goes on to do more scummy things, but here are just the highlights.

15: Parrots SaintKerrigan and basically says "I don't know who is scum, because it could be anyone". Thanks, Einstein.

17: Once again states that he doesn't believe Monkey's claim... why, again? Oh, right. We don't know.

19: This post literally is so confusing and circular I got a headache from trying to decipher it. More scummy b/s.

20: "Hey, guys! Look how helpful I am, pointing out the support/vote count!"

25: Asks Socrates what qualities he looks for in a mayor and who his top two choices are.

In summary: he has not posted anything of content, has made empty claims with nothing to back them up, and seems to be posting just enough to fly under the radar without ACTUALLY having to back anything up.

MORE KYLE VOTES NOW PLZ

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@DDD:

What do you think of my PBPA on kyle?

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Support: Socrates

Go ahead and get that one out of the way.

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Sweet. Now to fuck around until deadline so we get a no lynch and Socrates can declare a kyle lynch.

/iWin

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LAH DEE DAH

Everyone go V/LA themselves until 1/7, please. I want a kyle lynch and Socrates being guv'nah seems to be the only way to do so

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^ Lynch him.

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Don't do it, Socrates. Keep up the fight. If we keep the votes on him and we don't get a lynch, our mayor can declare a lynch on him anyway.

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Wait. What am I talking about?

Vote: Kyle

now please.

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I'm not lost. Why does going on about Kyle make me scummy? Nothing Kyle has done alleviates my concerns.

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Actually, no, my reasons for voting Kyle were not just HE FINDS MONKEY SUSPICIOUS LOL. So stop narrowing down my argument like that.

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I still stand by the PBPA.

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lol omgus kyle

lol me not giving reasons

lol this altogether

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In what ways, DDD?

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Vote: Hoopla

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So...town won?

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Whoooo, I called kyle & MonkeyMan from the start... never had my suspicions on C.C (well played), I even protected him the first night. I loved the setup and thought it was very well balanced.

In retrospect, I probably should have BG'd on N2... even if I got vig'd, it caused too much WIFOM over who I was protecting. Well played, regardless.