Mini 869 - Frat Party Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[DeathRowKitty]

Vote: OGML

[saberwolf]

Vote: OGML

elaborate

[Seraphim]

Hey, I'm back. I think.

I'm rereading and will hopefully get a post up tomorrow.

[DeathRowKitty]

He hasn't been posting. He could use a few votes. Besides, nothing like a healthy bandwagon to get things going.

[nhammen]

I suggest we have a look at BC's scumlist. I have my disagreements with the players he listed, but I'd like to hear what you guys have to say about it. Also would love to hear from our replacements.

I disagree with him about Taran, but I can see DRK and Kise as scum.

Kise never answered this yesterday:

Everyone voting DRK is suspect.

Does this mean anything? You've said something similar before. Do you think scum are driving that wagon? What about the other people on it? If the arguments in favor of it are so awful, why would scum join support of it instead of BC?

You know something I don't? If BC is town, I still keep my suspects high on the list. Just means there are 3 others for me to look at.

I am implying is that BC-scum and his buddies are trying to create a wagon on DRK so that BC's wagon is rivaled in size.

As has been asked before, what if BC turns up town? Then why would scum be supporting DRK lynch rather than BC lynch?

[Dragonfly13]

He hasn't been posting. He could use a few votes. Besides, nothing like a healthy bandwagon to get things going.

I'm willing to support a bandwagon in favor of activity. I'd like to see a bandwagon on Starbuck, too.

Vote: Starbuck

[saberwolf]

He hasn't been posting. He could use a few votes. Besides, nothing like a healthy bandwagon to get things going.

I'm willing to support a bandwagon in favor of activity. I'd like to see a bandwagon on Starbuck, too.

Vote: Starbuck

you vote hop like crazy, and I don't like it. I personally think you're just looking for something that will stick.

FoS: Dragonfly13

I need to ISO you before I decide on turning that into a vote.

[Dragonfly13]

you vote hop like crazy, and I don't like it. I personally think you're just looking for something that will stick.

FoS: Dragonfly13

I need to ISO you before I decide on turning that into a vote.

How have I "vote hopped like crazy?" I'm merely pushing Starbuck to be more active. There's no danger of a lynch this early, and I haven't even made a case on her. I'm a fan of pressure votes.

[saberwolf]

you vote hop like crazy, and I don't like it. I personally think you're just looking for something that will stick.

FoS: Dragonfly13

I need to ISO you before I decide on turning that into a vote.

How have I "vote hopped like crazy?" I'm merely pushing Starbuck to be more active. There's no danger of a lynch this early, and I haven't even made a case on her. I'm a fan of pressure votes.

see, I don't trust my own memory, but that's how I remember you. That's why I said I'd ISO you before I go with it. I often accuse others of something, and then make sure that I was correct by ISOing.

[Dragonfly13]

Well, ok then. I think it's a good time to point out that it's been 3 real life days since D2 started. And we really only have 20ish posts into today. And half of those are "no one's active," "sorry, I can't post yet," etc. Where is everybody?

[Starbuck]

you vote hop like crazy, and I don't like it. I personally think you're just looking for something that will stick.

FoS: Dragonfly13

I need to ISO you before I decide on turning that into a vote.

How have I "vote hopped like crazy?" I'm merely pushing Starbuck to be more active. There's no danger of a lynch this early, and I haven't even made a case on her. I'm a fan of pressure votes.

It's not pressure when you admit that it's pressure, just fyi.

[Dragonfly13]

That's why we need a bandwagon.

[Kise]

Responses will be bolded.

Kise never answered this yesterday:

Everyone voting DRK is suspect.

Does this mean anything? You've said something similar before. Do you think scum are driving that wagon? What about the other people on it? If the arguments in favor of it are so awful, why would scum join support of it instead of BC?

Yes, I did think the 4 voting for DRK were scummy. I was wrong about BC and fhq, but I don't think I should let up and assume I'm wrong about ALL of them... And I don't know why scum would do certain things.

As has been asked before, what if BC turns up town? Then why would scum be supporting DRK lynch rather than BC lynch?

And as will be said again, BC flipping town doesn't mean I should let up. When I think about it, what if fhq was killed just so someone like me could feel doubt over my suspicions, or so that I (and others) could be discredited? I don't think those voting DRK (canada/OGML & Seraph) should be given any kind of automatic town-cred just because BC and fhq flipped town.

[Kise]

Responses will be bolded.

Ignore that...... SO, how bout that Manny Pacquiao fight?

[Starbuck]

Day 1, page 1 to page 5

General Notes

Whats up with the voting before the mod says it's okay to play? I was laughing out loud reading it. I understand that it was a joke, but others took it seriously. Guess it's a lesson learned.

On the who have I played with before note...I've played with xRx, Kise, DRK, BC, Seraphim (who's also modded games I've been in), and CB.


Why would so many experienced people believe DRK when he said:

I don't know why, but I just got a private message from the mod telling me nhammen is scum.

Seriously? Come on now guys.

On BloodCovenent

Why didn't he see this:

Anyone who doesn't vote CB

before the game starts

is obviously his scumbuddy.

I mean he even quoted it in Post 14, and didn't understand that it was a joke?


BC is just all over the place with how he's acting. It's no wonder he was lynched.


He did hit things on the head with Post 119 though.

On Seraphim

So, scumteam:

canadianbovine
BloodCovenent
Taranski

Game, set, match, thank you.

With one of your scumteam members flipping town, this throws a wrench into your plan. What are your thoughts now?

There's no wagon on BloodCovenent yet?
But his name is spelled wrong, and he didn't get punished enough for it last game.

vote: BloodCovenent

you are the third vote on me, i believe. GG with the wagons! I'll get it moving then too!

unvote
Vote: BloodCovenent

A fascinating scum gambit indeed. Trying to distance from yourself?

Having been playing for quite awhile now, I have noticed that self-voting really isn't a scum gambit. I have seen self-voting coming from townies more than scum. Why do you feel that it is a scum gambit?

Also, you seem to have a problem with me winning the game so quickly. Why?

I know this was aimed at nhammen, but I just want to say that currently that your overconfidence is bothering me. Your main suspect flipped town and we lost our doc on the overnight. So unless, you are scum, you aren't winning the game thus far.

On canadianbovine (who was replaced by OGML)

Post 76 - Why are you bringing past games into this games? Each game is a separate entity, and I'm highly suspicious of you for bringing your grudges from a past game here.

Post 121 - Holy hell, get over yourself!

On Dragonfly13

Post 96 - You actually believe that the mod would randomly send someone a PM stating that someone else is scum? Are you for real? If it was a legitimate, "Hey guys, I'm the cop and I have a guilty on so&so", then sure. But that?

On Nachomamma8

Post 98 - How in any way at this point was BC confirmed? You shouldn't use the word 'confirmed' in a mafia game unless the person really is. This feels almost like you are admitting that he's town. For a better explanation of what I mean please see Finding Mafia and #6 under Rules of Finding Mafia.

Post 109 - I don't like how you are berating him here. It makes my case stronger that you know who isn't scum.

Why are you FoSing him for suggesting those two roles? He's simply looking at a possibility, and double-checking that the town is doing the best possible thing in following that line of action. Do you find that anti-town?

Why are you pushing this subject when so far (in my reading) that there is no evidence of one?

On Taranski

Post 102 - Are you serious? You have been around this site long enough to know better than this.

Lyncher/Traitor are the only roles that where I could see scum pulling a maneuver like this. Not sure if you guys' normal has roles like that though.

Why would you even suggest this unless you have knowledge of one?

I was just reacting to what was happening and brainstorming ways in which scum would possibly do fakeclaim a guilty result knowing the implications.

I wasn't here at the beginning of the game, but it seems to me that the game didn't have a night start, so how could this happen in the first place?

On groinhammer (who was replaced by saberwolf)

groinhammer is flying very under the radar so far. He has barely contributed.

[saberwolf]

wow, nice read on me >.>

we have played together before starbuck, just so you know.

Also, if it interests you, in a current ongoing game that BC and I are in, he self voted in that one as well. We lynched him day 1 and he flipped mafia godfather.

[Starbuck]

If you noticed, that wasn't a read on you.

I was in Mini 807 with the rest of everyone else and CB's actions aren't a surprise.

[xRECKONERx]

Nacho and Taranski have been prodded. OGML has not picked up his last prod, so I will begin searching for

another

replacement.

[Taranski]

aww and i was coming back just in time. Could have avoided that prod

anyways.

starbuck, what was wrong with my 102? I can see the lyncher/traitor speculation was dumb but not how asking drk whether he was serious or not was dumb.

vote: omgl

OBVLURKYINACTIVESCUM

starbuck, you posted notes but who are you suspicious of?

[xRECKONERx]

Hoopla replaces OGML.

[xRECKONERx]

Vote Count #13:

Hoopla (2): DeathRowKitty, Taranski
Starbuck (1): Dragonfly13

Not Voting (7): Everyone else.

[Hoopla]

First questions:

Kise: What do you think about dragonfly's alignment?

Dragonfly: What do you think of Kise's alignment?

Taranski: Who do you think were the driving forces behind BloodCovenent's lynch?

Starbuck: Your recent analysis post contains none. It's garbage wishy-washy fluff. Tell me who your suspects are rather than waffling, because I don't want to waste my time reading more posts like that.

[Hoopla]

Vote: nhammen

[Starbuck]

@Taranski - Not notes, analysis/suspicions. Also, I already stated how I felt about your 102. You were believing him without him even stating that he was a cop or some type of investigative role. Are you normally this gullible?

@Hoopla - If you know how I play, you know this is how I catch up. I make my analysis and my cases as I read through. Go ahead and ignore my posts if you must, but I will consider it anti-town as ignoring other players is an anti-town/scummy action.

[Starbuck]

Also, if it interests you, in a current ongoing game that BC and I are in, he self voted in that one as well. We lynched him day 1 and he flipped mafia godfather.

I also said that it's not a gambit for one or the other. That

I've

seen townies use it more than mafia.