Mini 851 - Bloodlust Mafia! - Game Over

[Pomegranate]

/yo

[Pomegranate]

I will be V/LA this Friday night through Sunday night or Monday morning. After that I will be V/LA every week on Friday night and Saturday day.


Trust me, it's not so much, and I do it for all my games.

[Pomegranate]

That ought to be all the confirmations. I guess we're now waiting on Bob the Mod.

Sidenote:
I like how "Bob the Mod sounds. It's got a certain ring to it.

[Pomegranate]

Vote: canadianbovine

. Canada is evil.

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Vote: canadianbovine

. Canada is evil.

No.

dude canada sucks

theres nothing there

Exactly my point.

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Yay! Bandwagon!

Vote Haylen

Claim: Pinapple cake with amazing magical powers! I get to feed you all yummy pinapple cake until you puke. Hurrah!!!

It ain't never a good thing to vote for yourself if you're town...

FoS: Haylen

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But the main reason for my FoS is because you spelled pineapple wrong. How could you spell your own role name wrong (unless it really is pinapple...)?

And because Plum made a pineapple cake last week, and it was kinda (no offense Plum!) weird.

[Pomegranate]

Oh. Sorry.

UnFoS: Haylen

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[Pomegranate]

So Pome, was your suspicion of Haylen's self vote serious?

No (,duh). She unvoted in the next post.

[Pomegranate]

Would you have found it suspicious had she not unvoted?

Possibly. But there was no reason for her to continue voting for herself, and she didn't. I FoS'ed her in jest. As far as I understood, she voted herself in jest, too.

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Would you have found it suspicious had she not unvoted?

Possibly. But there was no reason for her to continue voting for herself, and she didn't. I FoS'ed her in jest. As far as I understood, she voted herself in jest, too.

Possibly? There was no reason for her to vote herself at all.

Unvote: Vote: Promegranate

What do you think was the motivation of her self vote? Does that action make her more likely to be town or scum in your eyes? Did anything in your exchange help you toward determining the intent of that action?

I didn't glean any information from this. Had she voted herself once we were out of RVS (like now) then I would have thought about it, but this wasn't done in seriousness.


Why are you making such a big deal over a stupid RVS self vote? Seeing if you can get a bandwagon on me?

Well, I find you suspicious for making a case out of nothing. Therefre I will

Unvote, Vote: Zachrulez

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[Pomegranate]

Wow... someone doesn't like my curiosity at all.

Sorry, I got kinda worked up. But the vote stays for now.

[Pomegranate]

i will be V/LA until Monday, as stated previously.

[Pomegranate]

Sorry for the V/LA. It's the Jewish New Year.

I just read the past five pages; here is a jumble of random thoughts, opinions, etc.:

She was very quick to vote for Haylen after her self-vote. I don't think Pomegranate was joking either.

I FoS'ed Haylen; I didn't vote for her. It wasn't serious, which I thought was evident, given hat O stated that my main reason for FoSing her was because I thought she spelled pineapple incorrectly.

A few pages back Looker acted a bit scummy, but it seemed more newbish to me.

i don't see that much in the former Chibo wagon, nor Haylen as of right now.

I'd like to hear some more from Zachrulez, canadianbovine, J-fox, and Konowa. I'm aware that Konowa is V/LA.

I want to vote for Rosso, but I'm not sure how many votes he has, and I don't have time to count. Gotta go...

[Pomegranate]

I've never played with Rosso when he was scum before, but if he's town I think he can be very helpful. One time he vigged me N1 correctly(, I was the mafia godfather). He said that he based it of of D1 reads, and considering that I had never played with him before, I think he can play a good pro-town game. I say that we don't lynch him today, and wait until tomorrow to see how scummy he's acting then.

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Oh, missed page 12. Will read through it now.

[Pomegranate]

I'm interested in seeing more from Pome. I'd like her to clarify whether she's still happy with her vote on me or not[....]

Sorry, will

Unvote

you for now. I need to get some good reads before voting.

[Pomegranate]

I've never played with Rosso when he was scum before, but if he's town I think he can be very helpful. One time he vigged me N1 correctly(, I was the mafia godfather). He said that he based it of of D1 reads, and considering that I had never played with him before, I think he can play a good pro-town game. I say that we don't lynch him today, and wait until tomorrow to see how scummy he's acting then.

Seems interesting. Did he play the same way that game that he is now? Normally I don't like to bring other games into stuff, but info is info.

I won't talk about ongoing games. But it seems as though it will end soon.

[Pomegranate]

what are your reads/feelings about the number of interactions so far in the game?

AlmasterGM- I see him as slightly town, but not very. I think he's expressing his views well.
canadianbovine- Would like to hear more from him.
ChiboSempai- Will read up on.
Haylen- I see her as townish at this point; I guess it's gut. Would like to see the long post she promised a few hours ago...
J-Fox-

I meant suspecting inactives as in like, it would be good to keep an eye on them or try to get them to talk, not thinking they are scum yet. However keeping active and talking a lot is likely to make someone slip or something. Not talking in the first place doesn't let anyone have any reads on you, good or bad. Also by suspecting a inactive and being vocal about it, you're forcing them to sort of come back and defend themselves.

That's not suspicion worthy, there are prods and replacements for that purpose. Voting should be reserved for scummy behaviour, not to coerce someone back to posting

The reason why lurking is generally considered scummy is because through lurking one can avoid saying scummy things. Everyone is now saying that lurking=/=scum, which is sometimes true, but I usually see that a pressure vote or two doesn't hurt, and in some cases, lynch is the best option.
Konowa- Hasn't posted much, but makes enough sense in the posts he does make. Not sure how I feel about him.
Looker-Is acting a bit scummy, but mostly in a newbish way. Having some trouble getting a good read on him though.
Peabody- Neutral read.
RayFrost- Giving me somewhat townie vibes.
Rosso Carne- Don't think him being lynched at this point would be good, but still keeping an eye out.
Zachrulez-

I'm interested in seeing more from Pome. I'd like her to clarify whether she's still happy with her vote on me or not[....]

Sorry, will

Unvote

you for now. I need to get some good reads before voting.

Well we're 13 pages in now, how much more time are you going to need to get your good reads?

I'd be fine with this if not for this, a few minutes later:

Everyone else is kinda off my radar for one reason or another, which could be due to needing to post more, or needing to post something that grabs my attention.

That seems hypocritical to me. Could you explain why it's not (unless you think it is too )?

[Pomegranate]

And could everyone please try to spell my name correctly?

[Pomegranate]

In regards to your name, I think of granite when I sound out your name, sorry about that :s. I'll try to keep the proper spelling of your name in mind while I determine whether or not you are a scumbag.

Also, active lurking is scummy. There is a distinction between actively lurking, (Reading the thread without posting in such a way that appears strategic.) and lurking in general.

I usually do a bit of lurking D1 to get into the feel of the game, but I'll try to get some content in after school tomorrow.

RayFrost: I don't mind Pom or Pome (it even says so on mi wiki page), but I mind when Pomegranate is misspelled. I'd rather you say Pom/Pome than spell Pomegranate incorrectly.

[Pomegranate]

The reason why lurking is generally considered scummy is because through lurking one can avoid saying scummy things. Everyone is now saying that lurking=/=scum, which is sometimes true, but I usually see that a pressure vote or two doesn't hurt, and in some cases, lynch is the best option.

I suppose you'd be right about the pressure votes to perhaps force them out the woodwork if they are actually reading the game and choosing not to post (which is ofc scummy), but imo, punishing people who make scummy posts with votes is probably a better use of them, otherwise you may well be wasting your vote on someone who just ain't gonna see it and respond, it could well have been pressuring someone who is actually scummy and you know is acting scummy instead.

Also, active lurking is scummy. There is a distinction between actively lurking, (Reading the thread without posting in such a way that appears strategic.) and lurking in general.

^This explains perfectly well what I mean, and the main problem is, especially so on Day 1, it's very hard to tell the difference between active and passive lurking, unless they explicitly say they're actively lurking, and you'd be an absolute fool to do that.

I agree entirely with what you say about active lurking, and somewhat with what you say about passive lurking.

On a separate lurking note, sometimes (if everypne's playing really well) the lurkers

are

the most detrimental people apparent to the town.

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I'd like to hear. From Peabody first, but he'll probably just say it was a mistake. Then again, though I think everyone must be careful, I could see it happening as a result of carelessness. Everone has to do their best to prevent this sort of thing.

Whether this was accidental or on purpose I don't know, but it seems to me like a careless error. I'll think about it a bit more tonight.

[Pomegranate]

EBWOP:

The first sentence should have been "I'd like to hear from Peabody first, but he'll probably..."

[Pomegranate]

If

that's

all Peabody has to say, then I feel a strong need to

Vote: Peabody

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That should be L-3 or L-2.

(I know I posted my stuff on him after his response, but I think he sniped me.)

[Pomegranate]

My post was surely an accident. It wouldn't make sense for me as mafia to blatantly misrepresent somebody. I'm sorry, I just got Alamaster and Looker confused.

I truly am trying to scumhunt. I apologize to the town, for if you lynch me, I just hurt the town. Sorry!!

WIFOM in front...

AtE in back.

Vote stays.

Exactly.

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Well then, there's not much I can do to defend myself. If someone wants to be constructive and ask me questions, I would rather that happen. What I'm seeing right now is

you are obviously scum, so I'm closing my ears to everything you say

. Several people did mention my misrepresentation could be a mistake. Now all of a sudden, I can't get a benefit of the doubt?

Whoa. Didn't expect this much AtE.

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It seems to me that Looker was probably killed by the mafia; he appeared townie yet not particularly helpful. I think that there are probably only two killing roles/factions, so probably either Mafia+SK or Mafia+Vig. Rosso Carne was probably killed by either the Vig or the SK.

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I'm tired of Day 1. It's tl;dr

Unvote. Vote: Peabody.

RAWR! GO HAMMAR GO!

I agree with Zach. What do you mean you were "tired of D1"? I was also on Peabody's wagon, but I would have liked to hear a bit more from him before he was hammered.

Strong FoS: Almaster

. Vote may come soon depending on how Almaster reacts/explains himself.

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Who do you find the most suspicious going into day 2 Pome?

Didn't see that before my last post, but I think it's obvious... Almaster.

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Also, I'm still not liking Haylen's lurking either.

Me niether, but she's V/LA right now.

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Vote: Chibo

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[Pomegranate]

Will be V/LA rest of today (probably) and tomorrow (for sure).

[Pomegranate]

Will catch up and post tomorrow afternoon.

[Pomegranate]

Will catch up and post tomorrow afternoon.

(Don't have time now and I've got school tomorrow.)

[Pomegranate]

Hi, I'm back.

Scumlist:
(From scummiest to least scummy)
AlmasterGM
ChiboSempai
RayFrost
Haylen
canadianbovine
Konowa
J-Fox
Zachrulez

I'm still very suspicious of Chibo's vig claim, but I don't like how Almaster has been acting of the late. His hammer on D1 was premature and very scummy; This post really bothered me. I don't think the justification for his vote made sense or gave any good reason for his hammer.

Right now I will

Unvote; Vote: AlmasterGM

I am surprised no one has called Pomegranate out on her post here. Pom, why do you automatically assume that there is only two killing factions? Also, why do you say it is probably either Mafia+SK or Mafia+Vig? We know that there

is

a SK in this game. This makes me twitch a little.

FOS Pomegranate

I wasn't thinking correctly; I was thinking in terms of a closed setup. I think that should be obvious, considering that we

know

that there is an SK in the game.

[Pomegranate]

That puts Almaster at L-1 right?

It should.

[Pomegranate]

RayFrost
Haylen
canadianbovine
Konowa
J-Fox
Zachrulez

RayFrost, there is a gap between Chibo and you in scumminess, just no one to fill it with. You're where you are because I felt you were slightly to enthusiastic about lynching Chibo.

You, Haylen, canadianbovine, and Konowa are all pretty close- somewhere around neutral, but in the order I put you.

J-Fox and Zachrulez seem the most townie to me because they are posting and contributing ideas, opinion, etc.

~~~

The reason for my being V/LA so often is because of the Jewish Holidays. There's more coming up, but I'll make sure to post when I will be V/LA. It will wostly be weekends.

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re Pome:

eeeeh... =/

I'm enthusiastic when I think there has been obv scum/sk caught. Would you prefer I had no enthusiasm? That usually leads to no posting for me... >.>

Calm down, I'm not that suspicious of you, and I'm pretty suspicious of Chibo. I'm just not sure who to vote for, Almaster or Chibo.

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Oh yes ofc Almaster, the 4 of us that are on your wagon also just happen to be the SK and all 3 Mafia all neatly arranged just for you to pick up on at will

Really, I highly doubt an organised scum would ever be dumb enough to place all 3 of their members on a wagon of 4, unless they were playing a massively courageous gambit. Reasoning at the very least would be nice.

QFT
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Chibo, I'm somewhat suspicious of you, and considering voting you (,if it wouldn't be the hammer, which I have to check up. Konowa unvoted, right?).

Why I don't think you're the vig:

Your suggestions regarding N2 are a little to convenient. Here's why-

-If you're the SK, then there would be no reason for you not to kill whoever the town wants you to kill, as you're against both the scum and the town, and would need to eliminate both.
-If you're the scum, one of your buddies can send in the kill instead of you.

In both of those cases, using the town's PRs would be an added bonus for you.

For now,

FoS: Chibo

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[Pomegranate]

voting me would hammer, konowa unvoted but was voting almaster, not me

Thanks.

i wont kill N2. have CB track me if u want to confirm, but it proves that I'm not the SK. as for the mafia, find a way to prove that im not and il do it. afterall, im behind the almaster lynch, who i think is scum - and i wouldnt lunch a fellow mafia member.

I can't think of a way to prove you're not the mafia which can be done. Oftentimes the scum will back a lynch on one of his buddies, because the lynch

-is inevitable
-would make him appear townie (distancing/bussing)
-etc.

So I don't see how that works in your favor.

[Pomegranate]

Personally, I think it would be more useful to us for one more day, (not that I'm

strongly

against a lynch on him,) because, as previously mentioned, we can learn quite a bit from the number (and possibly from the choices) of the nightkills. I agree that if there is an unclaimed vig out there (,obviously not referring to Chibo), rather than not kill, he should kill Chibo. It's more common sense.

I would like to hear from Haylen; making a list of why you acting scummy doesn't mean that you are scum doesn't help us any. Will we get any contributions or opinions from you any time soon? A week is a long time to wait.

[Pomegranate]

I will too be

V/LA from this evening until Monday

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[Pomegranate]

That was really dumb of Almaster, to self-hammer.

Okay, six people left:

One of the following scenarios-

3 Mafia members
1 SK
1 Vig
1 Tracker

OR

3 Mafia members
1 SK
1 Vig
1 Townie

OR

3 Mafia members
1 SK
1 Tracker
1 Townie

That's not good for the town. I wonder how we haven't already lost, considering that the mafia already make up 50% of the town. But that's for the mod to worry about, not me. We can't mislynch today, or else we lose. This isn't looking good.

[Pomegranate]

It's possible for the town to win, just very unlikely. We'd have to lynch scum today, the SK and The Mafia would have to cross-kill each other tonight, and the last two town members would have to lynch scum tomorrow.

[Pomegranate]

Chibo is the vigilante.

Why do you say that?

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Chibo is the vigilante.

Why do you say that?

SKs are usually forced to kill.

i told him not to kill anyone and when i tracked him it said tracking unsuccessful.

which either means i was role blocked [is that possible?]

or that chibo is legitamately not the serial killer.

You could have been roleblocked, or, as you said, he could be scum.

The scenario can't be:
3 Scum
1 SK
1Tracker
1 Vig

...because I am a VT. That means that either Chibo is not the vig, or CB isn't a normal tracker, but the mafia tracker.

That means that it's either

3 Scum
1 SK
1 Vig
1 Townie

OR

3 Scum
1 SK
1 Tracker
1 Townie

[Pomegranate]

A night action generally goes through, even if the PR performing it is killed that night, so Konowa's jailing should have gone through.

As I'm the VT, it's likely CB is the mafia tracker.

[Pomegranate]

vote: chibo sempai

you're scum or the sk.

I'm wondering why he didn't mention vig, only scum or SK.

[Pomegranate]

Chibo, I'm looking at it this way:

canadianbovine- Tracker/Mafia Tracker
ChiboSempai- Vig (didn't kill last night)/SK (CB was Jailkept, though I find this unlikely)/ Mafia (a scumbuddy sent in the kill)
Haylen- SK/Scum
J-Fox- SK/Scum
Pomegranate-VT
RayFrost- SK/Scum

I'd feel more comfortable lynching one of Haylen, J-Fox, or RayFrost today. To me, lynching CB is better than lynching you(, because I don't know which of you is lying; I have to use my judgement and my gut). But, lynching CB means we could be lynching a PR, and as you're pushing for the lynch very strongly, you could just be scum trying for a non-scum lynch.

I'd like to hear more from Haylen, J-Fox, and RayFrost before voting. I don't see the need to have such a short day- there's room for a little discussion.

[Pomegranate]

I will be V/LA until Sunday night or Monday.

[Pomegranate]

Hi all, I'm back. I think I'll post my thoughts on a numbered list; hopefully they won't get too jumbled that way.

1. RayFrost, thank you for clarifying my gender. It was greatly appreciated.

2. I also wondered what a pro-town cult would do. What if Scum/SK was culted?

3. I don't think people realize that we

must

lynch scum today.

4. I'm under the impression that between Haylen, RayFrost, and J-Fox there are two scum members, the one that isn't being the SK. I think that the last scum member lies between Chibo and CB.

5. Assuming that #4 is correct, (which obviously can't be done, but that's the best idea of roles I have at this point )then I feel that we should look for our lynch between Haylen, RayFrost, and J-Fox. D3 we can see about our PRs; I see that as more of a safe possibility.

6. If we were lynching randomly between Haylen, RayFrost, and J-Fox,( which we are

not

,) assuming again that #4 is correct, then I think there would be a 67% chance that we'd lynch correctly. That's why I'm planning to look at each of them in iso when I have the chance.

[Pomegranate]

Ray, I'm saying what I've got. I understand you don't have access to my role pm.

[Pomegranate]

so, pome, it looks like the logical way for this day to work is to lynch one of haylen, jfox, and rayfrost, correct?

2/3 chance we hit scum out of those three?

Should be. The SK should be the other one.

[Pomegranate]

I'm considering voting Haylen, or maybe RayFrost.

[Pomegranate]

Thas must be the second or third time...

The way I see it:

Pom= VT

-->Therefore, only one of Chibo/CB can be town. (Last post I was leaning Chibo town, but I've been contemplating, and I see him as more likely scum. See my previous posts D3 for additional reasoning.)

-->With that assumption, the scum and the SK lie between Haylen, RayFrost, J-Fox, and either Chibo/CB(, the one that isn't town).

-->I don't see how CB could be the SK, (with his tracking ability, )and and I don't see how Chibo could be the SK, and him being scum makes much more sense(, again, see my previous posts D3).

-->That leaves 2/3 scum members between Haylen, RayFrost, and J-Fox, as well as the SK.

[Pomegranate]

Nah I mean for putting Haylen before Ray and Ray before me Pome? (Sorry, didn't make that clear)

That's based mainly on gut; you're all somewhat close in my mind.

[Pomegranate]

I'm planning on voting soon. The discussion is excessive. We've established what is known already. Idon't feel comfortable following Chibo atm.

[Pomegranate]

How bout RayFrost?

[Pomegranate]

Yeah, I guess.

[Pomegranate]

I recalled hearing Haylen talking about her busy schedule, etc. in a finished game I played with her. But mainly because I've been thinking about Ray, and I'm liking him less and less.

Vote: RayFrost

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[Pomegranate]

Unofficial Vote Count

RayFrost- 2 (Pomegranate, canadianbovine)
canadianbovine- 1 (ChiboSempai)

Not Voting- 3 (Haylen, J-Fox, RayFrost)

4 votes to lynch.

[Pomegranate]

Whoa, Haylen, isn't this your second SK win in the past couple weeks? GG all. We lost because:

1 townie lynched D1.
2 townies killed N1
1 townie lynched D2
2 townies killed N2

Almaster, it's usually really dumb play to hammer yourself(, in general, but especially as town).

At the end I was somewhat sure that Chibo was mafia and CB was tracker, but I was wrong. I played my best, and survived till endgame. *cheers*

[Pomegranate]

I just realized that there were no replacements. That always makes a game better for everyone.

I can't update my wiki though...

[Pomegranate]

at the last sentence.

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Almaster, why'd you self hammer?

[Pomegranate]

About RayFrost's lynch:
I feel that I've got a semi-accurate gut.

[Pomegranate]

About RayFrost's lynch:
I feel that I've got a semi-accurate gut.

Eh, haylen had meta on me, chibo was just following a case of illogical thought, CB was bussing, and there was no case on me

I'd say, for you, that your gut may be accurate sometimes, but it really does need to have some support behind it.

That's why I used the word

semi

-accurate.

[Pomegranate]

I dunno, I was always kind of back-and-forth with both you and Chibo... by the end I may have realized you were scum though.