Mini 851 - Bloodlust Mafia! - Game Over

[canadianbovine]

/confirm

[canadianbovine]

vote: zachrulez

because Brett Favre is evil.

[canadianbovine]

i agree with the alamaster wagon

everyone pile on votes and get alamaster pressure. I'd like ot see it, since this game is going nowhere at this point.

not true.

stupid ass n00Bs do that too cuz they think its cute.

we're on page 5, lets actually get the day going instead of this stupid posting about absolutely nothing.

and get votes on alamaster

twice you talk of people putting votes yet you never put a vote on almaster?

unvote, Vote: Rosso

[canadianbovine]

i agree with the alamaster wagon

everyone pile on votes and get alamaster pressure. I'd like ot see it, since this game is going nowhere at this point.

not true.

stupid ass n00Bs do that too cuz they think its cute.

we're on page 5, lets actually get the day going instead of this stupid posting about absolutely nothing.

and get votes on alamaster

twice you talk of people putting votes yet you never put a vote on almaster?

unvote, Vote: Rosso

I always HAMMAH!

maybe you should do some research before add your two canadian cents which arent worth as much as anyone elses two cents.

Alamaster's scum list is extremely scummy. General rule is that anyone whos all "i have no clue who is scum" or "i think everyone is scum" is scum themselves.

ta-da

so you never vote, only hammer?

what makes you so sure almasters [note there is only 3 a's] is scum, and that you're ready to hammer him?

[canadianbovine]

random stuff

Why is it that you say NOTHING until your name is mentioned, and then you suddenly pop out of nowhere? Where were you?

but moooooom im 17 now, can't i stay out really late and do what i want without having to answer to you?

i was involved in a wedding. i didnt have time and was not around a computer, i apologize.

this game has been open for 3-4 days now and its already 9 pages?

jesus give me a break.

<<------ note im not from canada, i live in san francisco.

the canada jokes stop here.

hammering only player is stupid.

[canadianbovine]

Rosso wagon looks good.

vote Rosso

what happened in that four minute time slot that made you decide to vote for Rosso?

[canadianbovine]

Peabody, I am voting Chibo currently; in response to your question in 176.

Looker is more annoying than scummy to me at the moment with the apathetic attitude.

Really, really do not like how cb poked his head in and has disappered again.

*twitch*

Oh wait

vote for alamaster. hes scum.

Ive written about this in depth.

Really? The only thing I can see that you have attributed to Almaster being scum is his scum list that you misconstrued. What other things have you written in depth?

Chibo, it really looks like you are pushing for a Rosso lynch more based on his playstyle than anything else.

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In no particular order, cb, Chibo, and Rosso top my scumlist.

excuse me read time stamps, this game is moving extremely quickly, last time i posted was 24 hours ago.

rosso has been avoiding questions that chibo had laid out for him.. rosso is a rather cocky player. he reminds me of ZoneAce

[canadianbovine]

mmhm. would HAMMAH! looker

I'm guessing you'd HAMMAH! anyone right now to get out of the hotseat, am I right?

I have been playing completely idiotically and yet votes are just automatically deflecting themselves from me.

On top of that, I don't see how my play sucks

Contradiction.

Whoa, playboy, that's a big fat

vote peabody

for taking somebody else's post and slapping my name on it. That first one I mean. I think that was almaster's post.

. I have been playing completely idiotically and yet votes are just automatically deflecting themselves from me.

Do you want us to vote you?

Yeah, remember him? That was his shit.

this is big.

unvote: rosso

vote: peabody

to answer question i had thrown my vote on Rosso because i didnt like his Hammah! rule. it was like the many other pressure votes, and i was probably overdue to take it off anyway.

[canadianbovine]

Well then, there's not much I can do to defend myself. If someone wants to be constructive and ask me questions, I would rather that happen. What I'm seeing right now is

you are obviously scum, so I'm closing my ears to everything you say

. Several people did mention my misrepresentation could be a mistake. Now all of a sudden, I can't get a benefit of the doubt?

Also my defense is not WIFOM. Mafia would have NOTHING to gain by doing what I did unless they want to lose the game. If it is WIFOM, I honestly believe this claim MUST be considered.

I'm amused by how fast certain people jumped on my bandwagon.

which people are you amused by?

[canadianbovine]

Didn't read any of this page when I made my post, mafiascum went down for a couple mins when I was scouring through the votes on Peabody and it made me take a while to do my post.

Do you mind refreshing on what things I was agreeing with you on Ray? It's not a big deal or anything, I'm just curious. Agreeing isn't technically a bad thing, I mean if I thought the same thing and you had said it first, then I'm agreeing with you, no sense in writing out the exact same thoughts. Almost the entire Peabody wagon was everyone agreeing with each other, Pomegranate even specifically quoted you and saying he agreed with you here:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 11#1878311

Also, with my last post, I don't know about the whole following your opinion holds since I found your post/vote one of the scummier ones in the Peabody ordeal.

really? i found almasters the scummiest.

if peabody turns up town,

FOS almaster

btw chibo i think earlier you posted something about there being 4 mafia and 1 serial killer?

how is the wagon/lynch scummy, are you saying all 7 of the ppl that voted are anti-town, despite there only being 5 anti town roles (4 mafia 1 SK) in the game?

The Setup:

12 players.
3 Mafia.
1 Serial Killer.

where are you getting this 4th mafia player from?

[canadianbovine]

vote: chibo sempai

you're scum or the sk.

[canadianbovine]

vote: chibo sempai

you're scum or the sk.

You're saying that with a lot of certainty, why?

glad you would ask. i guess it is time for me to reveal myself.

i am the

Tracker

and i tracked Chibo last night.

Chibo targeted Looker last night.

coincidentally, Looker is dead.

[canadianbovine]

chibo, i find it strange that

a) you use the flavor text in your defense.

and

b) you killed looker so people wouldnt think you guys are a team?

can you tell me just who had a suspicion that you and looker were possible buddies?

[canadianbovine]

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... lavor_text

[canadianbovine]

you said that the flavor text in lookers death is more "vig style"

It is important to note that flavor should not clue player's into others roles. "The pretty pink pony" should have just as much of a chance of being mafia as "The monster under the bed".

[canadianbovine]

Further proof:

Look at the descriptions of the kills...

Russo's place was exploded or whatever, something not obvious as to who did it. More dramatic, very mafia-esque kill.
As for Looker, he was shot execution style in the back of the head, which is clearly the most appropriate way of being killed by the Vigilante.

If Looker had been killed by the SK then my guess is that it would have been something a bit more gruesome such as hacked and slashed to death in a bloodbath.

[canadianbovine]

O ok I thought you meant the post right before that, which is why I was confused. You didn't clarify...

The deaths are written with the style of the killer. What do you honestly think that sounds more like? Vig or SK? I wasn't even the only one that said that as J-Fox suspected it as well.

you ignore my point completely.

flavor text can't prove or disprove an argument

.

you seem to be pushing for your own survival at this point.

you also killed someone in the fact that it would ensure your own survival.

I ask the town, what role is it, whose name of the game is to survive

that's right, the lone SK.

the sk needs to be very careful to not appear scummy at all, there is only one of them, if he dies, thats it.

Chibo has shown qualities of SK.

now to the town, again: Serial Killers are usually given an extra power: immune to night kills.

we need to lynch the Serial Killer, he can not be eliminated any way

[canadianbovine]

EBWOP: the last two words should read "any other way"

[canadianbovine]

before voting me thinking im SK, find out who was roleblocked last night. have me prove it any possible way.

find someone you want to be killed, whether it be mafia or sk. have me kill them tonight, and have the tracker (CB) target me to see that i vote for them. especially if we find out who the roleblocker blocked, then we can eliminate the SK thus showing that im not SK.

There is a possibility of both a mafia and a town roleblocker which we can discuss if anyone ends up saying who they blocked. remember, the three mafia members are likely 3 of the 7 people who voted for Peabody, so we can sort of use that as a cross reference as well.

You guys do not want to lynch a power town role, esp vig. That is why I'm trying to protect myself so hard here. We're already out 3 town members, and lynching me would put your down to 4 out. That would be 3 mafia members, one sk, and 4 townies left (and the townies without their killing power role).

Other ways to show that there is a vig...

If there is no vig, find out who is who. We have a partial reveal of roles in the OP. Since there is a virg, there is either no town tracker (CB could be the mafia tracker), no pro town cult leader, no jailkeeper, or only 4 vanilla townies, and we already knew there was at least 3 since 3 are dead.

Also, if CB ends up being the mafia tracker, then there is only a town roleblocker since there can not be both a mafia tracker and mafia roleblocker. that way the town roleblocker, the only roleblocker in the game, can say who they blocked and there is the sk.

there are problems with this:

1) the serial killer/vig [the one that you aren't] could of not sent in an action, making figuring this out impossible.

2) the roleblocker is a jailer, which does both protect and roleblocks.

2a) the jailer could of simply protected whoever the sk/vig targeted, leading this idea to lynching a townie

2b) The jailer is the strongest power role, having 3 outed power roles day 2 is not good

[canadianbovine]

in response to 1)

then i ask you, what happens if the vig/SK did not send in a pm to the mod? does the mod randomly select one person to kill? no! there is no kill. it's very possible the serial killer/vig is a lurker who didnt know it was night, or never had access to a computer, and never submitted a kill.

or, like some have said, perhaps they chose to not send in a kill.

some VIGILANTES don't send in kills night 1, because they don't know who to kill, and that could be dentrimental to town.

im sure if Looker turned up to be a power role you would be dead by now.

you appear to be tunneling and not looking at our points, i've noticed J-fox and zach have said similar things to me that have been ignored.

[canadianbovine]

then i ask you, what happens if the vig/SK did not send in a pm to the mod? does the mod randomly select one person to kill? no! there is no kill. it's very possible the serial killer/vig is a lurker who didnt know it was night, or never had access to a computer, and never submitted a kill.

or, like some have said, perhaps they chose to not send in a kill.

This is a good point...

MOD: What happens if the SK does not send in a kill request? Is the SK required to kill each night as the role sometimes forces him to?

Also, if the SK's goal is to be the only one left, why wouldn't he kill every single night since it's his only power on his own to work towards winning.

which leads us to why you, the "vig" chose to kill someone who wasnt scummy, and why the "sk" chose to not kill anyone.

[canadianbovine]

Caught up slightly. Will be caught up fully tomorrow.

Chibo, why would you rule out the possibility of a vigilante here when you are the vig? This makes no sense to me. Why are you fishing so hard also?

As much as I really did not like Chibo D1 and his D2 seems more self-serving than anything else, I am not willing to lynch him today.

why do you not think so? he's been fishing the whole day, and that kill choice was terrible.

[canadianbovine]

im honestly surprised.

I'm pretty sure i've caught scum or sk on this one.

[canadianbovine]

Just making sure, when the day ends, is that what I should do? Not kill Night 2?

You might want to jail me to keep me alive from mafia or SK as well as track me to assure that I didn't target anyone.

Yeah, no. We are totally NOT wasting PR's on you. You are so anti-town I can't believe I'm at L-1 and you are not.

do we really want to have a 3 killing role game for another day.

if the jailor protects you, scum/sk have a fresh shot at me? ...

[canadianbovine]

there are also much more reasons why there would still be a vig in this game but didn't kill.

1) The Vigilante decided to go and kill either Looker or Rosso in addition to whoever targeted those people.

2) The Vigilante simply didn't submit a kill. Unlike the serial killer, vigilante kills are non compulsory.

in addition to him trying to get another PR onto him...that'll make him unable to kill [another 2 kill night?], he's doing it to ensure that he'll still be here tommorow? what point would it be for me to track you, if you'll be unable to target anyone?

chibo makes no sense in logic. why would we save a vigilante?

Who do you think you're going to kill tonight.

[canadianbovine]

also to ray: you unvoted but FOS'd Chibo.

[canadianbovine]

beside chibo, im suspicious of haylen for semi active lurking.

all this time we've questioned chibo and alm, s/he has promised posts, claimed to have typed it up, claimed to of lost her post, and said she would post on tuesday a post she already typed. we're lacking that post.

[canadianbovine]

Konowa: what do you think of chibo, you brought up some of the things he did. why do you not want to lynch him today?

more: who else do you think is scummy.

[canadianbovine]

Incidentally, I also find it convenient. Haylen comes immediately when called. For someone who is "busy," there's a really rapid turnaround time there.

agree 100%

HOS: Haylen

you promised a post. where was it?

very lame catch up section..

and a whole thing about how you're different, and things that make others scummy doesnt make you scummy?

seriously what the hell.

[canadianbovine]

Let me try something else.

Almaster, what changed between your scum list (iso 12) and your hammer of Peabody. You never claimed a change of heart and hammered to end the day to get the game moving, essentially. You did this despite having Peabody closer to being town. Why?

Also, in that same scum list you have JFox as second most town. Now, again without having said anything to the contrary he is scum. Why?

In your next post you should say why each of us [Konowa, J-Fox, Pomegranate] is scum.

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Haylen, I do not want a summery of the game. I would like to know who you think is scum and why.

cb, I do not think a Chibo lynch is the right way to go today because I believe it will solve itself overnight. If the mafia is smart they will shoot him tonight before he starts shooting them. If he is the SK, lynching him will not reveal

anything

about who is mafia. I truly believe that Almaster is mafia and his flip will tell us a lot.

As to who else is scum, my list now composes of just Haylen. I have my misgivings about both you [cb] and Pomegranate but nothing more than twitchings.

1) SK's usually cant be night killed, this is done to give them a little help for being the sole person of the team, lynching is the only way to kill him.

2) if he was going to be jailed, how could he be night killed?

[canadianbovine]

Personally, I think it would be more useful to us for one more day, (not that I'm

strongly

against a lynch on him,) because, as previously mentioned, we can learn quite a bit from the number (and possibly from the choices) of the nightkills. I agree that if there is an unclaimed vig out there (,obviously not referring to Chibo), rather than not kill, he should kill Chibo. It's more common sense.

I would like to hear from Haylen; making a list of why you acting scummy doesn't mean that you are scum doesn't help us any. Will we get any contributions or opinions from you any time soon? A week is a long time to wait.

again, SKs generally cant be night killed.

i have a way.

Chibo: dont kill

the rest will be handled.

[canadianbovine]

Double-post

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I did not see your question cb. SK's are not always given night-kill immunity. I still think the situation will solve itself overnight. I agree with the sentiment that if there is a vig not named Chibo, he/she should shoot Chibo tonight.

Where does your question about him being jailed come from? I do not think I mentioned anything along those lines. Correct me if I am wrong.

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@Mod and all: V/LA till Monday again. Might have a brief window tomorrow afternoon.

you appear to be correct you didnt mention anything nabout him being jailed.

my b

[canadianbovine]

being tempted to vote for Haylen due to her lack of posting...

Quit moaning at me about that! I've just read ten posts in which people are pisses with my lack of posting. This isn't the only game. It is highly likely that I've recently broken my foot...which is not helpful for anything let alone getting over to my computer.

haylen, what do you think of Almaster right now?

[canadianbovine]

chibo dont kill tonight.

[canadianbovine]

jailor dont touch him.

or me.

[canadianbovine]

almaster is the only person in this game who has hammered.

is he stealing the hammah mastah title from rosso?

[canadianbovine]

Yes i did track you last night.


the Track was unsuccessful.

Chibo is the vigilante.

[canadianbovine]

Chibo is the vigilante.

Why do you say that?

SKs are usually forced to kill.

i told him not to kill anyone and when i tracked him it said tracking unsuccessful.

which either means i was role blocked [is that possible?]

or that chibo is legitamately not the serial killer.

[canadianbovine]

EDIT:

he could be mafia who simply didnt send in the kill this time? that also appears to go around the tracking way.

im not saying he is, but it's a possibility.

[canadianbovine]

i'd like to point out that my response from mod didnt say that Chibo didnt go anywhere.

it just said that my attempt to track was unsucessful. didnt mention Chibo at all


which leads me to believe i was jailed

[canadianbovine]

I trust the claim.

Besides the fact that the town doesn't have much to work with right now.

Why would a mafia member claim Vanilla Townie?

If a mafia member does indeed claim VT, then that means they are outting CB to be mafia.

If there is a VT, then CB is 100% mafia.

bolded, you just said how easy it is for scum to fake VT which would lead to my mislynch.

and probably end the chance for town?

how quickly Pome softclaimed + how quickly you decided to try to push for my bandwagon, has been noted

[canadianbovine]

I trust the claim.

Besides the fact that the town doesn't have much to work with right now.

Why would a mafia member claim Vanilla Townie? If a mafia member does indeed claim VT, then that means they are outting CB to be mafia. If there is a VT, then CB is 100% mafia.

Unless it's the SK that claimed VT, which doesn't guarantee that CB is mafia, but it's still a chance we have to play off of. After all the SK needs to be on the towns side if he wants any shot of winning.

Again, SK and VT. Vote canadianbacon immediately if either of you want any shot in winning this game. Vote now to put him at L-1 then ask questions later. It's imperative that you do.

also:

your last paragraph is VERY scummy.

put me at lynchable level and ask questions later?

why are you going for a quicklynch?

[canadianbovine]

vote: Chibo

you're scum. im sure of it. you're pushing for my bandwagon off of someone elses argument [that was based off of their softclaim]


on other note:

is it possible that there could be a cult victory?

there was a cult leader...had one day to get a recruit, he could of gotten a recruit that is now a leader, since Zach is now dead.

[canadianbovine]

so, pome, it looks like the logical way for this day to work is to lynch one of haylen, jfox, and rayfrost, correct?

2/3 chance we hit scum out of those three?

[canadianbovine]

haylen maybe you should request a replacement?

[canadianbovine]

The cards are stacked against us obvious. It's 3 scum, 1 SK, and 2 townies left in the game. I played out every situation in my head of how the day could turn out to even see if it was still possible for the town to win, and yes, there is only one or two possible ways the town has any hope of winning. One of the ways are kind of iffy (though the other, if the town listens to my plan is full proof to at least have this game go for one more day). Likewise, I had wondered from the mafias point of view to see all of their options, so we avoid those options. It was interesting to think also considering that they have more people than anyone else. And yes, the mafia have a 100% full proof way of winning the game right now, but luckily they haven't acted on it (since they haven't done it yet). I can not say what it is, because if I do, lol they'll do it. There is one way the town can counter this plan, but again, the other town and SK have to follow what I said. The three of us just need to get one of the mafia members down to L-1. That's the plan at the moment.

from everyones perspective [but yours and mine],

it would be better to try to vote for one of jfox, haylen, and rayfrost.

if you and i continually argue, we are getting no where.

from pomes point of view its safer to lynch one of those. 2/3 chance that we hit scum. thats 66%.

Now if we try to push for the others [ i push for yours and you push for mines] lynch, others aren't going to know which one. We

may

know who is town and who is scum, but for them, its 50% 1/2 chance of scum.
so please help the town, chibo?

you may have some master plan to help the town but trust me, from everyones perspective but yours, the plan that you cant tell anyone, the fact that you hide it is very very scummy, and i suggest you stop.


also: its bovine, not bacon.

bovines are cows

and bacons are pigs.

please do not confuse us cows and pigs, down on the farm, we hate the confusion.

[canadianbovine]

unvote: Chibo

its better to lynch one of the other three for the town.

[canadianbovine]

How bout RayFrost?

was this directed at me?

[canadianbovine]

im sorry my internet is very crappy, the weather in san francisco is very crappy,

weather.com gave rain a 100% chance for today, and sure enough it rained like a mother. not sure how many inches, but "flat" streets were flooded. my modem always does poorly.

in answer to your question, I have absolutely no problem lynching Rayfrost.

recently however, you said haylen over rayfrost.

What made you decide to do this change?

[canadianbovine]

and the dice come to Bovine.

come on Rayfrost [blows on dice]

vote:Rayfrost

[canadianbovine]

oops. blasted internet.

one of those should be removed to eliminate any vote count confusion.

Done.

[canadianbovine]

please erase one of those mod, at this point someones bound to mess upthe votecount because of that post.

[canadianbovine]

What's your reasoning Pome?

Chibo has completely ignored my questions. Till he answers them

Vote: Chibo

(this will stay if your answers aren't satisfactory)

j-fox can has vote on chibo?

[canadianbovine]

Anyway, thanks to everyone for playing. It was great fun to mod, and you all made it easy for me on my first MS modded game with no flaking and high activity levels, so thanks for that

Hope you guys enjoyed it, if you have any feedback on the setup/my modding practice/whatever I'd love to hear it.

And congratulations to Haylen

high activity levels....minus haylen.

[canadianbovine]

broke your foot

and

swine flu?

[canadianbovine]

whatever. its the internet.

rayy im sorry for being on your lynch.

if you check the times, there was a very quick lynch at 3 in the morning?

[canadianbovine]

oh and no problems with QT.

[canadianbovine]

whatever. its the internet.

rayy im sorry for being on your lynch.

if you check the times, there was a very quick lynch at 3 in the morning?

no problem. I was kinda looking forward to my first scum win oh well...

Anyway, I think some mistakes around the end was CB's (rather obvious) bus and J's lack of involvement around the lynch(es).

which bus?

[canadianbovine]

ah i didnt read the next post.

what could i of said?

i couldnt of said "no, i'd rather haylen"

what reason did i have?


i would of been lynched. i was going to do something...but 3 in the morning quicklynch?

[canadianbovine]

chibo did i ever get you to L-1?

i had some realization that if so, and us scum didnt decide to kill off Rosso [that might of been my idea], we could of won the game.

[asking to people beside chibo]

did i become progressively scummy once i failed getting chibo lynched?