Vigilante's effect on endgame

ralphmerridew · Post Post #21 (isolation #0) » Fri Jun 10, 2005 5:04 am

Actually, that situation isn't a lock for the scum, even if there's a no-lynch:

Mafia attacks vig.
Vig attacks mafia.
Doc protects vig.

Next day is vig, doc, mafia. Vig and doc lynch maf.

ralphmerridew · Post Post #23 (isolation #1) » Sat Jun 11, 2005 8:44 am

And even if the mafia target doc in mith's situation, the town can still get an obliteration draw.

ralphmerridew · Post Post #26 (isolation #2) » Wed Jun 15, 2005 4:25 am

Also, there's been at least one game (Mini 12, I think) called in favor of the town. (A recruiting mason group gained a majority of the town.)

ralphmerridew · Post Post #31 (isolation #3) » Thu Jun 30, 2005 4:11 am

I haven't seen that many "unkillable" roles, though I have seen ones that are immune from some nightkills (generally in games with multiple scumgroups), or are immune from lynching, but rarely both.

I generally phrase the scum win conditions as some variant of "You win when all non-members of your group are dead, and at least one member survives.", but will call the game when the town cannot defend against a simple bloc vote by the scum. (For example, a doctor or roleblocker, plus a postblocker or votechanger can allow a town to survive even when outnumbered.)