Mini 863 - Space Station Mafia: GAME OVER - EVERYONE'S DEAD

[Peabody]

unvote; vote cooldog

I'll explain why later... It's 3 am.

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: Messiah

I've got faith in this wagon.

[Hoopla]

unvote; vote cooldog

I'll explain why later... It's 3 am.

You better. You jumped off the wagon, just as it was gathering steam.

[milkshake]

unvote, vote: Messiah

. I guess I did forget to unvote...

[NewAgeWarrior]

Unvote, Vote: Hoopla

because I still don't get his messiah obsession and if he does have any real info, he should tell us and not encrypt it.

[milkshake]

if he does have any real info, he should tell us and not encrypt it.

I agree that we might not be getting anywhere unless Hoopla shares her information or (if it is in the town's best interest) makes a concious decision not to share her information.

However, I do not agree with the Hoopla vote. Although her playstyle is unusual it can't really be interpretted as scummy.

[Sposh]

I really think Messiah is a good lynch for today! Thought it would be nice to see the encrypted information too.

[hiphop]

I really think Messiah is a good lynch for today!

Why?

[Sposh]

Because of his hypocrisy in voting me. The reasons he used were such a double-standard, I just think either he has to be scum

or

scum was on that wagon... I'm confident one of either CooLDoG or Messiah is scum!

[charlatan]

We're moving quickly now! Sorry if I wall up a bit, but I've got two pages to catch up on. I'll respond as I do.

Yes, I agree that it stood out; and I did ask a question to go along with it.

I don't consider you to have really asked a question. You did in a technical sense but were basically echoing the question that was already on the table from when NAW asked about it.

I wasn't backpedaling, I legitimately misinterpreted what milkshake meant due to the word having more than one common meaning. Is the sentence you put in apostrophes suppose to be some kind of paraphrase?

Yeah, I was basically paraphrasing, but you shouldn't take me too seriously when I do that. Basically I don't buy that you misinterpreted that post, because all definitions aside it seemed clear in context that milkshake wasn't even talking about in-game alignment. Saying "peabody annoys me" has nothing to do with whether or not he's scum and everything to do with his personality and/or playstyle, so "apparently innocent" doesn't even make sense if milkshake were talking about him being town-aligned versus him basically not seeming like a jerk.

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Happy Birthday, NAW. By all means, play drunk. It works for Zorblag.

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On a more serious note, do you think Hoopla's confusing-but-excellent-random-voting-shake-the-boat technique (I'm hoping the name catches on) actually made her more likely to be scum, or did you see erratic play and decide it'd be a safe place to drop a vote?

You said confusing right? Why would a town want confusion? I did not vote for her for either reason. I voted because she refuses in a silent kind of way, to not to answer my questions.

I don't think confusion helps the town, but I do think town are more open to seeing where strange play leads, whereas I would expect scum to vote based on it quickly. As for her dodging of questions, that's far more legit IMHO.

Why is everybody attacking Messiah, when CooLDoG did the exact same thing? He asked a question. Sposh started the bw on Messiah, because he did not ask a question, when he did. I hate it when people attack one person for a certain action, when other people do the exact same thing.

I wouldn't agree that CooLDoG did the same thing at all. The placement of prior votes does make a difference. He made an effort to explain his vote and said he wanted to see a bandwagon form for pressure. While saying you want pressure means your vote is useless for pressure, I think that's more ineffective play than it is scummy.

Minor FoS: CooLDoG

for piling on, but I don't think early-game bandwagons are necessarily a bad thing.

Why the FOS than?

It was too early to tell if this bandwagon was a bad one. Right now I don't think it is.

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I actually tried to decode Hoopla's message and failed (I suck at that anyways.) If it's one letter per word that must be quite the long message. I'm hesitant to believe that someone started the game with information that definitively pointed to Messiah as scum so early in the game. For now I'm gonna roll with it because I like the Messiah bandwagon right now, but I will not at all support a lynch without us knowing what this is all about. And a lot more discussion before that, even.

[Messiah]

Because of his hypocrisy in voting me. The reasons he used were such a double-standard, I just think either he has to be scum or scum was on that wagon...

Please point out where I voted for you.

I don't consider you to have really asked a question. You did in a technical sense but were basically echoing the question that was already on the table from when NAW asked about it.

It may have already been on the table but milkshake hadn't given it a real answer at that point.

[Empking]

Because of his hypocrisy in voting me. The reasons he used were such a double-standard,

That's a good enough reason for a lynch?

[CooLDoG]

well sorry about not posting, I had about a 24-hour halo3 odst "bash" and thus my eyes tend to droop and so forth, will be back later to day, when my wrists also don't hurt.

[Sposh]

Because of his hypocrisy in voting me. The reasons he used were such a double-standard, I just think either he has to be scum or scum was on that wagon...

Please point out where I voted for you.

Sorry, not me... I meant milkshake. This is the post in question.

[Messiah]

@Sposh: How was my reason a double-standard?

[Peabody]

will post soon.

sorry

[hiphop]

It was too early to tell if this bandwagon was a bad one. Right now I don't think it is.

Wait. So you agree with the bw on milkshake. If that is the case why didn't you pile on?

I'm hesitant to believe that someone started the game with information that definitively pointed to Messiah as scum so early in the game. For now I'm gonna roll with it because I like the Messiah bandwagon right now, but I will not at all support a lynch without us knowing what this is all about. And a lot more discussion before that, even.

First of all you shouldn't be hestitant, because it didn't happen. I believe Hoopla is encouraging people to vote on the bw for one of two reasons. One of them I won't share (unless she wants me to) because it would ruin the idea of this bw. The other reason, is because she could of picked up a scum slip in the thread already. She doesn't want to display it without people commiting.

I find this paragraph scummy. You are hesitant to believe the reason the bw is there and yet you still want it to be around. Isn't this almost contradictory?

unvote
vote charlatan

Because of his hypocrisy in voting me. The reasons he used were such a double-standard,

That's a good enough reason for a lynch?

I doubt that this bw would head for a lynch. In my experience most of the time, early bws dissipate.

will post soon.

First of all, I find that voting without giving a reason is suspicious. Why vote then, if you don't have the time to give a reason? Second of all, why come back on this site, if you don't have the time to give us that reason?

fos Peabody

[CooLDoG]

ok, my eyes now no longer droop, or fog speraticaly. And I can now type with out pain!

one thing that strikes me is this, we get almost four posts in a row hoping votes with little to no explination, this strikes me as odd. I find hiphops reasons for fosing peaboy to be valid. With his seemingly speratic vote along with milks odd post about him being innocent I am beffing not to like the pair togethser.

FOS:peaboy, and have vote still on milkshake, but this may change

[milkshake]

You are hesitant to believe the reason the bw is there and yet you still want it to be around. Isn't this almost contradictory?

Maybe it's almost contradictory... but honestly it's what I'm doing too. I'm losing confidence that Hoopla will have any worthwhile info in her secret little message, but I think that the only way we're going to get anywhere in Day 1 is to pile on to somebody and make something (whatever that something is) happen.

Then we can build real arguments from what happens instead of, well, "finding paragraphs scummy."

[Hoopla]

You are hesitant to believe the reason the bw is there and yet you still want it to be around. Isn't this almost contradictory?

Maybe it's almost contradictory... but honestly it's what I'm doing too. I'm losing confidence that Hoopla will have any worthwhile info in her secret little message, but I think that the only way we're going to get anywhere in Day 1 is to pile on to somebody and make something (whatever that something is) happen.

Then we can build real arguments from what happens instead of, well, "finding paragraphs scummy."

There are plenty of role-based ways information can be generated. Unconfirmed masons and neighbours, and day-cops off the top of my head. Although, I'm not ready to say if my information is generated from my role.

[milkshake]

There are plenty of role-based ways information can be generated. Unconfirmed masons and neighbours, and day-cops off the top of my head.

Yay! Information! *begins to dance*

Although, I'm not ready to say if my information is generated from my role.

Oh...

...What about information generated from any old role then?

[CooLDoG]

There are plenty of role-based ways information can be generated. Unconfirmed masons and neighbours, and day-cops off the top of my head.

Yay! Information! *begins to dance*

Although, I'm not ready to say if my information is generated from my role.

Oh...

...What about information generated from any old role then?

Not really liking this post . He is info hungry yet he does not do anything to scum hunt. He is almost asking for all pro-town power roles to claim. Who in the right mind will tell you that they are a power role before the end of six pages.

Also does hoopla imply that he/she (too lazy to look...) is a day-time power role. Because if she does have info from his/her role then that would force him/her to be a day-time role.

All of this typing makes my wrists hurt again, might be back after I eat and let the pain drain from my wrists.

[milkshake]

He is almost asking for all pro-town power roles to claim.

Yeah... that's it.

[milkshake]

Also does hoopla imply that he/she (too lazy to look...) is a day-time power role. Because if she does have info from his/her role then that would force him/her to be a day-time role.

Maybe this will help you with the rest of your post too...

Although, I'm not ready to say if my information is generated from my role.

[hiphop]

Maybe it's almost contradictory... but honestly it's what I'm doing too. I'm losing confidence that Hoopla will have any worthwhile info in her secret little message, but I think that the only way we're going to get anywhere in Day 1 is to pile on to somebody and make something

(whatever that something is)

happen.

You are doing it too. I think the part that is bolded explains it all. You don't know what you are aiming for, and yet you want a bw. For all you know the bw could give the scum the win.

Then we can build real arguments from what happens instead of, well, "finding paragraphs scummy."

How do you know you can build real arguments? You don't even know what you are aiming for.

There are plenty of role-based ways information can be generated. Unconfirmed masons and neighbours, and day-cops off the top of my head. Although, I'm not ready to say if my information is generated from my role.

I sincerely doubt that any role-based information, besides a day role can be generated, until day 2.