Mini 848 - Second String Muppets Mafia - Game Over.

[~Jordan`]

@Jordan: No one should claim vanilla? What if they ARE vanilla? They should lie?

lol. No they shouldnt claim at all. I read a discussion on it

Vanilla claim doesnt do anything except help mafia. It lowers the chances of them not lynching a power role. If they decide to guess which player had a power role, you just increased the chances of them getting it right.

Also, they know you aren't a threat. You want the mafia to overestimate you as much as possible, especially if ur vanilla.

[~Jordan`]

EBWOP:

change last sentence to:

You want the mafia to overestimate you as much as possible if ur vanilla, for the sake of the town.

[MonkeyMan576]

Not claiming increases your chances of getting lynched, townies getting lynched increases scums chances of winning. Dumb argument. Just because you read something somewhere doesn't make it true.

[~Jordan`]

Lol. How does claiming decrease the chances of you getting lynched? You claimed vanilla townie. Any mafia can do that and get away w/ it.
Im not going to read something above this post and consider it true.

Your argument is much dumber

But lets not debate. You did what you did; but it makes no difference in my opinions of you.

[Kirbyoshi]

You claimed vanilla townie. Any mafia can do that and get away w/ it.

QFT; the only part of Jordan's stance on this topic that makes sense. I think he actually has a valid point, but relating to

early

claims, not a claim that's like "OMG I need to claim or I'll be lynched," which is what was basically the case with Monkey, although it didn't do him any good.

[~Jordan`]

and through logic; it shouldnt. And the point I made about claiming vanilla helping vanilla is also valid. Nonetheless, so long as we understand that claiming vanilla is pointless, I'm fine with the end result.

[MonkeyMan576]

Lol. How does claiming decrease the chances of you getting lynched? You claimed vanilla townie. Any mafia can do that and get away w/ it.
Im not going to read something above this post and consider it true.

Your argument is much dumber

But lets not debate. You did what you did; but it makes no difference in my opinions of you.

If you refuse to claim people will assume you are hiding something, and will presume you to be mafia. They will pull their "claim, or else" shtick, then lynch you, then you are one less townie. Pointless.

[~Jordan`]

Nonetheless; the end result is the same, except if u survive, the mafia knows ur plain.

[MonkeyMan576]

Nonetheless; the end result is the same, except if u survive, the mafia knows ur plain.

I would argue the extra townie vote outweighs whatever knowledge the mafia would gain.

[~Jordan`]

Nonetheless; the end result is the same, except if u survive, the mafia knows ur plain.

I would argue the extra townie vote outweighs whatever knowledge the mafia would gain.

what extra townie vote? As stated: claiming vanilla doesnt protect anyone from being lynched.

Sigh.

[MonkeyMan576]

Nonetheless; the end result is the same, except if u survive, the mafia knows ur plain.

I would argue the extra townie vote outweighs whatever knowledge the mafia would gain.

what extra townie vote? As stated: claiming vanilla doesnt protect anyone from being lynched.

Sigh.

I think if I were looking for "protection" I'd claim a power role, but it would be a lie, and subject to counter claim.

[~Jordan`]

Nonetheless; the end result is the same, except if u survive, the mafia knows ur plain.

I would argue the extra townie vote outweighs whatever knowledge the mafia would gain.

what extra townie vote? As stated: claiming vanilla doesnt protect anyone from being lynched.

Sigh.

I think if I were looking for "protection" I'd claim a power role, but it would be a lie, and subject to counter claim.

so you want to be lynched? Sigh. I'm getting nothing from this convo.

[MonkeyMan576]

Nonetheless; the end result is the same, except if u survive, the mafia knows ur plain.

I would argue the extra townie vote outweighs whatever knowledge the mafia would gain.

what extra townie vote? As stated: claiming vanilla doesnt protect anyone from being lynched.

Sigh.

I think if I were looking for "protection" I'd claim a power role, but it would be a lie, and subject to counter claim.

so you want to be lynched? Sigh. I'm getting nothing from this convo.

No, you want me to be lynched, regardless of my alignment, obviously.

[Zorblag]

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[~Jordan`]

Nonetheless; the end result is the same, except if u survive, the mafia knows ur plain.

I would argue the extra townie vote outweighs whatever knowledge the mafia would gain.

what extra townie vote? As stated: claiming vanilla doesnt protect anyone from being lynched.

Sigh.

I think if I were looking for "protection" I'd claim a power role, but it would be a lie, and subject to counter claim.

so you want to be lynched? Sigh. I'm getting nothing from this convo.

No, you want me to be lynched, regardless of my alignment, obviously.

sigh. That's poppycock. You truly believe you're making sense? So far, uve misunderstood everything ive said to come up with a faux defense.

I want something valid. Is that so much to ask?

[MonkeyMan576]

Nonetheless; the end result is the same, except if u survive, the mafia knows ur plain.

I would argue the extra townie vote outweighs whatever knowledge the mafia would gain.

what extra townie vote? As stated: claiming vanilla doesnt protect anyone from being lynched.

Sigh.

I think if I were looking for "protection" I'd claim a power role, but it would be a lie, and subject to counter claim.

I would like a valid attack, you could attack me for claiming vanilla, you could attack me for not claiming vanilla, it's a null tell. Trying to push a illogical attack, however...

so you want to be lynched? Sigh. I'm getting nothing from this convo.

No, you want me to be lynched, regardless of my alignment, obviously.

sigh. That's poppycock. You truly believe you're making sense? So far, uve misunderstood everything ive said to come up with a faux defense.

I want something valid. Is that so much to ask?

[MonkeyMan576]

I would like a valid attack, you could attack me for claiming vanilla, you could attack me for not claiming when asked. It's a null tell. Pushing an illogical attack, however...

[~Jordan`]

sigh. I'm not pushing anything. Just saying it was wrong to claim vanilla. Done. k?

I am not convinced u are town and so my vote stays. This debate over strategy isnt very beneficial or meaningful.

[MonkeyMan576]

sigh. I'm not pushing anything. Just saying it was wrong to claim vanilla. Done. k?

I am not convinced u are town and so my vote stays. This debate over strategy isnt very beneficial or meaningful.

And I'm saying it's not wrong to claim vanilla, and you seem to be in the minority on the matter. You haven't answered how the mafia gaining information outweighs the town possibility losing a vote(mine) if I'm lynched. The truth is you are pushing a scummy case.

[~Jordan`]

Sigh. You would be lynched either way. CLAIMING ROLE MEANS NOTHING.

did i not say, drop the ****ing thing?

[MonkeyMan576]

Sigh. You would be lynched either way. CLAIMING ROLE MEANS NOTHING.

did i not say, drop the ****ing thing?

Okay, let it be noted that Jordan doesn't want discussion, and only wants to pull the noose.

[MonkeyMan576]

And I disagree I would "be lynched either way", most players will avoid lynching a potential townie when given a chance. Just because I have the most votes at the moment doesn't make my lynching inevitable.

[~Jordan`]

And I disagree I would "be lynched either way", most players will avoid lynching a potential townie when given a chance. Just because I have the most votes at the moment doesn't make my lynching inevitable.

agreed. But claiming vanilla doesnt make a difference. Why are you attacking me simply for questioning a role claim?

[MonkeyMan576]

And I disagree I would "be lynched either way", most players will avoid lynching a potential townie when given a chance. Just because I have the most votes at the moment doesn't make my lynching inevitable.

agreed. But claiming vanilla doesnt make a difference. Why are you attacking me simply for questioning a role claim?

Because it seems like you are trying to stop your wagon and push mine, without regard to the logic you are using. You said claiming vanilla was a scum tell, and now you are saying it doesn't stop a lynch. Backtracking, much?

[Zorblag]

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