Mini 848 - Second String Muppets Mafia - Game Over.

[~Jordan`]

/confirm

<sob> I have such bad luck.

[~Jordan`]

vote Ectomancer

what're you rushing for? Are you antsy in fear of the scum we get to put into a paper bag and slam against a wall tonite? YOU MAFIA SCUMMM!

A little too strong?

[~Jordan`]

all sadness and anger must be vented, less one fall into a depression.

Its pre-Day 1; have some fun!

lol

[~Jordan`]

I will vote you when day starts.

Just so you know.

lol

i have nothing to hide, except that which helps the mafia.

[~Jordan`]

i didnt think anything in the pre-game should be taken seriously.

Bad luck is bad luck, and has NOTHING to do w/ this game.

Sigh. You people lynch me before I get a chance to be serious and thoughtful?

[~Jordan`]

Question: am I already dead, or should I work up the energy to defend myself?

[~Jordan`]

lol thx.

As said, I joked around b/c I literally didnt think pre-Day mattered.

Furthermore, the bad luck thing was out of context and was about something out of thread.

I'm a habitual spammer...but now its Daytime, and I promise to help you kill scum, however may it be done. But killing me is not killing scum or neutral or whatever you people can come up with that you think will help you advancement.

[~Jordan`]

l

I'm a habitual spammer.

..but now its Daytime, and I promise to help you kill scum, however may it be done. But killing me is not killing scum or neutral or whatever you people can come up with that you think will help you advancement.

What does this mean, you don't like to contribute?

this means I have a bad problem with putting spam in my posts, not to be confused with:
i hate to think and just agree w/ others while making snide remarks.


@Ectomancer

Gimme a sec to look at them, and ill answer that lol.

[~Jordan`]

[quote="MonkeySudo"]

Because people often take things out of context on day 1 and are quick to assumptions, and like I said, prone to exaggeration.

The rush for information and to appear pro-town often leads to mistakes. People often don't realize the advantage a successfull day 1 lynch can have or how badly a mislynch can hurt the town.

So I like to observe as much as attack early in the game.[/

quote]

And I like to start it.

My random vote (dont even remember who it was for), was to trigger the reaction which would occur. I hate it when its too strong, but note that I am new to this thing, though thats a moot excuse.

Now, for the question:

Kirbyoshi seems strange to me, as well as monkeyman.

eKim seem good, asking for facts.

Malcolm and the other, I can't guess, due to bias. (they voted 4 me just4that :[ )

[~Jordan`]

Jordan, what exactly do you have against me? Other than, of course, simple, maybe subliminal, OMGUS. If you actually stated your case against me, it would make it much easier for me to explain why you are wrong

And to whoever asked me why I didn't comment on SL's "claim," I don't think there's much to comment on. If her PR (which I take to mean Power Role, but I could be wrong) has a condition for her to be sided with either town or scum, and we don't know concretely which side she's going to choose, isn't that much like how each of us is now, that no one knows for sure what side any given player is on? In addition, I think it is more important, at least on D1, to lynch scum than Indies; correct me if I'm wrong.

I just answered the question; it just seems you and the other bandwagoned w/o seeming to believe I am mafia. I answered the question to defend myself, and the best way I could.

But still noting...it did trigger something that gave us action, and I will not regret it.

[~Jordan`]

are there multiple monkies in this game?

[~Jordan`]

I'm feeling good about the Monkey-wagon. Ecto's catch of being cautious with respect to SL while not being cautious with respect to Jordan is a good one.

However, the following is ridiculous:

P.S. - I believe that posting under your alt repeatedly in this game is your method of making it difficult to analyze and follow the thread of your posts. You might make an actual effort at logging in under the name you are playing this game under.

That's a massive stretch. Occam's Razor suggests that not re-logging in under the correct name is an easy and innocent mistake to make. That is, I can't read it as anything but null and it tweaks my scum-dar a bit by saying it's not null.

I believe that the first time was an honest accident. I believe that subsequent incidents are deliberate sloppiness once he realized the effect it would have.

That's a pretty strong accusation. I would rather my alt not be the focus of discussion, because it is not intentional. It seems to me that you are trying to focus attention off of your own actual in game behavior.

and now your doing the exact same thing. Hypocrisy.

I'm going to do a quick reread now.

[~Jordan`]

Hello sorry, saw 9 pages and didnt look forard to reread.

I am insulted at being called a rookie, even if it wasnt meant that way. I know mafia. I am no noob/rookie.

I don't know ecto, but I'm guessing he's defending me solely b/c he knows im right.

Also, as said b4, luckiness has nothing to do w/ this game. I am neither scum nor vanilla.

I don't like Monkey being suspicious of me, but I must say he looks like townie.

unvote

I believe Ecto and Monkey are on the same (townie) side. But ofc, more so Ecto than monkey.

I'll need to reread again to make sure of something before I make a vote.

[~Jordan`]

/facepalm

lol

Again, Eldritch, we reach the inconsistency problem.

I think the point is that you DID NOT stay focused.

[~Jordan`]

You're very careful with your wording DDD, you weren't just voting, you were setting someone up to be hammered. There is a scary amount of finality and certainty to that given your lack of recent posting.

Of course I'm careful with my wording, it doesn't help me as town or scum to make mistakes of any kind; let alone silly wording errors.

I have no reason not to project the confidence I feel on the matter. It could be WIFOMed to death, but I'd suggest that my willingness to take a hard stance with confidence is a town-tell and that scum are more likely to waffle and try and keep their options open. Certainly when I look back at my scum play that's the primary issue I see.

~~~

I second Ectomancer's facepalm.

I learned from that post. /points at confirmed townie.

oh and i suspect the facepalm is directed toward me?

[~Jordan`]

Well, as a rule, vanilla claims shouldn't save a person from lynch.

But I would like to discuss a bit more with EL, and have some more participation from quieter people before we decide on a lynch. I'd also like the chance to say more since so much happened in a few days that I didn't participate in.

this.

Mr. Monkeyman's role claim detriments the town. No one shuld claim vanilla. Its the same as saying "I'm townie". I assume monkeyman should know this, as he is no noob, especially if he's been (planning to) modd a game.

vote monkeyman

[~Jordan`]

@Jordan: No one should claim vanilla? What if they ARE vanilla? They should lie?

lol. No they shouldnt claim at all. I read a discussion on it

Vanilla claim doesnt do anything except help mafia. It lowers the chances of them not lynching a power role. If they decide to guess which player had a power role, you just increased the chances of them getting it right.

Also, they know you aren't a threat. You want the mafia to overestimate you as much as possible, especially if ur vanilla.

[~Jordan`]

EBWOP:

change last sentence to:

You want the mafia to overestimate you as much as possible if ur vanilla, for the sake of the town.

[~Jordan`]

Lol. How does claiming decrease the chances of you getting lynched? You claimed vanilla townie. Any mafia can do that and get away w/ it.
Im not going to read something above this post and consider it true.

Your argument is much dumber

But lets not debate. You did what you did; but it makes no difference in my opinions of you.

[~Jordan`]

and through logic; it shouldnt. And the point I made about claiming vanilla helping vanilla is also valid. Nonetheless, so long as we understand that claiming vanilla is pointless, I'm fine with the end result.

[~Jordan`]

Nonetheless; the end result is the same, except if u survive, the mafia knows ur plain.

[~Jordan`]

Nonetheless; the end result is the same, except if u survive, the mafia knows ur plain.

I would argue the extra townie vote outweighs whatever knowledge the mafia would gain.

what extra townie vote? As stated: claiming vanilla doesnt protect anyone from being lynched.

Sigh.

[~Jordan`]

Nonetheless; the end result is the same, except if u survive, the mafia knows ur plain.

I would argue the extra townie vote outweighs whatever knowledge the mafia would gain.

what extra townie vote? As stated: claiming vanilla doesnt protect anyone from being lynched.

Sigh.

I think if I were looking for "protection" I'd claim a power role, but it would be a lie, and subject to counter claim.

so you want to be lynched? Sigh. I'm getting nothing from this convo.

[~Jordan`]

Nonetheless; the end result is the same, except if u survive, the mafia knows ur plain.

I would argue the extra townie vote outweighs whatever knowledge the mafia would gain.

what extra townie vote? As stated: claiming vanilla doesnt protect anyone from being lynched.

Sigh.

I think if I were looking for "protection" I'd claim a power role, but it would be a lie, and subject to counter claim.

so you want to be lynched? Sigh. I'm getting nothing from this convo.

No, you want me to be lynched, regardless of my alignment, obviously.

sigh. That's poppycock. You truly believe you're making sense? So far, uve misunderstood everything ive said to come up with a faux defense.

I want something valid. Is that so much to ask?

[~Jordan`]

sigh. I'm not pushing anything. Just saying it was wrong to claim vanilla. Done. k?

I am not convinced u are town and so my vote stays. This debate over strategy isnt very beneficial or meaningful.

[~Jordan`]

Sigh. You would be lynched either way. CLAIMING ROLE MEANS NOTHING.

did i not say, drop the ****ing thing?

[~Jordan`]

And I disagree I would "be lynched either way", most players will avoid lynching a potential townie when given a chance. Just because I have the most votes at the moment doesn't make my lynching inevitable.

agreed. But claiming vanilla doesnt make a difference. Why are you attacking me simply for questioning a role claim?

[~Jordan`]

Most vanilla claims are not believed, but a vanilla has better chance of surviving a day if he/she claims, as refusing to claim is MUCH more scummy than claiming vanilla. However, if he were to claim PR as a vanilla, he is only prolonging the inevitable, as he would be NK'ed the night after he van-claimed.

lolk.

[~Jordan`]

The only thing I saw in terms of Jordan talking about Kirby was "Kirbyoshi seems strange to me" in post 48. Is that what's keeping you from voting Kirby, or am I missing something?

Why do you think Jordan is scum again? I'm pretty sure he isn't scum. Ecto and Kirby look pretty buddybuddy to me. Something I think I missed in my first go I just now noticed, Ecto only votes after EK calls him out for not voting. Could have done it much sooner but didn't. Doesn't seem very town to me.

*Early roleclaiming
*Defending "spamming" behavior
*Early OMGUS
*Voting without reasoning("strange" statement)
*Buddying with Ecto
*Putting me at L-1(another OMGUS)
*Argument that claiming vanilla is scum
*Backtracking

I never role claimed.

I never voted w/o reason.

I never buddied with Ecto.

I never claimed vanilla was scum.

Sigh. I dunno if ive said this before, but you need to get ur facts straight.

[~Jordan`]

also, I had no idea OMGUS was scumtell, since you

are

doing basically the same thing mainly b/c I argued that claiming vanilla wasn't good.

Hm...the argument about Kirbyoshi doesnt seem strong enough to me at this point.

[~Jordan`]

@charter: I'm not generally one to bite the hand that feeds me, but first you say I'm obvtown, and then you say all vanilla claims should be lynched. Which is it?

if charter says that, I disagree. Monkey seems to focus on defending himself and attacking those who attack him, but his insistence makes me think he's town...for now.

unvote

Hm...I need to look into the suspicions on Kirby. I FoSed him before, but that was a while ago. I need to make sure.

But I don't really see all this buddying people keep talking about. Is not buddying kissing up to town so they wont suspect you? Wouldn't that, in truth, mean that one is mafia and the other is townie? I don't see the mafia buddying up with other mafia. They tend to distance, do they not?

And my bad luck. Seriously. Its pre-game spam. Don't get crazy about it assuming things. I would say "being scum is funner for me", but thats opinoin that can easilt be disbelieved.

[~Jordan`]

my top 2 FoSes are on kirby and monkey, for obv reasons.

vote Kirbyoshi

Also, wondering when I ever softclaimed.

[~Jordan`]

also, noting monkey's resistance to kirby lynch, if we turn out right. Which I believe we will.

[~Jordan`]

Also, wondering when I ever softclaimed.

This shouldn't be answered, since if scum haven't figured it out, telling them is dumb.

Is this still about the dumb bad luck thing?

[~Jordan`]

Alt, sorry.

ovb your suspicious of me. For stupid and illogical reasons, but suspicious nonetheless. Give me any decent argument against me, and I'll refute it, as the truth is so easy to tell.

[~Jordan`]

Why are you pushing this? Anyone answering it is just helping scum. I'm not clarifying, and I suggest no one else does.

I believe Kirby is L-1
charter, Debonair Danny DiPietro, MacavityLock, Eldritch Lord, Jordan, MonkeyMan576 - which is six

The only reason I'd not want Kirby dead in the next post is to make springlulliby post a ton or a replacement to do it. Honestly, I really don't want to wait around a week for that, so yeah, it'd be awesome if he gets hammered in the next post.

b/c it confuses me. But whatever. noted.

[~Jordan`]

Alt, sorry.

ovb your suspicious of me. For stupid and illogical reasons, but suspicious nonetheless. Give me any decent argument against me, and I'll refute it, as the truth is so easy to tell.

AFAIK, wanting someone to rush into a vote is scummy.

DO I want to rush a vote? Eh. Do we need to slow down?

1 sec...

[~Jordan`]

Sigh. I hate having to wonder if I'm wrong. Kirbyoshi needs to come up with a viable defense.

[~Jordan`]

Alt, sorry.

ovb your suspicious of me. For stupid and illogical reasons, but suspicious nonetheless. Give me any decent argument against me, and I'll refute it, as the truth is so easy to tell.

AFAIK, wanting someone to rush into a vote is scummy.

DO I want to rush a vote? Eh. Do we need to slow down?

1 sec...

So you would say anyone who would rather discuss the lynch or get more info about the scum aspect of it suspicious before voting is scummy, for the record?

No. But I j ust noted it. You are so pushy lol.

[~Jordan`]

Alt, sorry.

ovb your suspicious of me. For stupid and illogical reasons, but suspicious nonetheless. Give me any decent argument against me, and I'll refute it, as the truth is so easy to tell.

AFAIK, wanting someone to rush into a vote is scummy.

DO I want to rush a vote? Eh. Do we need to slow down?

1 sec...

So you would say anyone who would rather discuss the lynch or get more info about the scum aspect of it suspicious before voting is scummy, for the record?

No. But I j ust noted it. You are so pushy lol.

So you are saying I am scummy for wanting more info about the statement, but you wouldn't have the same standard for someone else?

well I already suspect you. Still, you incorrectly believe I'm mafia w/o much reasoning or info, so how can I blame you for not wanting to be sure?

So fine. A bit of bias against the player ,who keeps attacking me by focusing on my every word like being town makes me perfect, has given me double standards.

[~Jordan`]

Alt, sorry.

ovb your suspicious of me. For stupid and illogical reasons, but suspicious nonetheless. Give me any decent argument against me, and I'll refute it, as the truth is so easy to tell.

AFAIK, wanting someone to rush into a vote is scummy.

DO I want to rush a vote? Eh. Do we need to slow down?

1 sec...

So you would say anyone who would rather discuss the lynch or get more info about the scum aspect of it suspicious before voting is scummy, for the record?

No. But I j ust noted it. You are so pushy lol.

So you are saying I am scummy for wanting more info about the statement, but you wouldn't have the same standard for someone else?

well I already suspect you. Still, you incorrectly believe I'm mafia w/o much reasoning or info, so how can I blame you for not wanting to be sure?

So fine. A bit of bias against the player ,who keeps attacking me by focusing on my every word like being town makes me perfect, has given me double standards.

I'm not focusing on your "every word", rushing someone's vote is a pretty big deal. Your suspicions of me started with you thinking I was "strange" without providing any reasons, so if anyone has a lack of reasoning, it's you by far. I'd like you to specifically say what suspicions of mine regarding you are unreasonable or illogical, and why.

I've already decided to believe youre town for now. You are too persistent not to be. I could rephrease my suspicioun with "I'm keeping my eye on you"; that you slightly irk me. But that is all.

Now...tell me what you think about kirby.

[~Jordan`]

Sigh. I wonder what else ur wrong about.

[~Jordan`]

Sigh. I wonder what else ur wrong about.

Wow, your well reasoned arguments are so overwhelming.

hypocrisy...

[~Jordan`]

Sigh. I wonder what else ur wrong about.

Wow, your well reasoned arguments are so overwhelming.

hypocrisy...

But, since you refuse to back up your arguments, your statements like these are pointless.

this whole argument is pointless, my friend. But continue; I enjoy this playful banter.

So, reiterate to me, why you think I'm scum. This way, I can try to alleviate your worries.

[~Jordan`]

I never said vanilla claimers should be autolynched. I said it shouldnt affect the votes. Didnt I address this?

And I granted you that first one already. Thats why i said tat post was "noted", and not scummy. Get it? Noted means "stored for future reference". OK?

[~Jordan`]

I never said vanilla claimers should be autolynched. I said it shouldnt affect the votes. Didnt I address this?

And I granted you that first one already. Thats why i said tat post was "noted", and not scummy. Get it? Noted means "stored for future reference". OK?

I get that it's backtracking, and scummy. Now, you're suggesting that if someone claims vanilla, others should act like the claim never happened for the rest of the game?

this is what I mean by going off every word. I said "IT SHOULDNT AFFECT THE VOTES". To revise it, add "against that player". Basically, I said claiming vanilla while you are vanilla is usually bad.

[~Jordan`]

Monkey, Jordan is imperfectly presenting the ideas from this thread. It's true that if a claim is asked for at the appropriate time (when a lynch has a firm consensus and the claim is purely to avoid lynching power roles) then a vanilla claim shouldn't stop the lynch. It's true therefore that a vanilla townie would usually be better off arguing that the claim request is inopportune then giving a claim. That's all he's saying, and it's not controversial.

I think you're both likely town. Stop spamming the thread with inane and unproductive argument. Pages 10 and this last one are totally useless.

thank you. thank you. thank you.

[~Jordan`]

Lol. I never said anything in reference to a vanilla claim.