Mini 848 - Second String Muppets Mafia - Game Over.

[Kirbyoshi]

/confirm

[Kirbyoshi]

Ecto's right, Jordan's confirm post seems like a premature scum softclaim O_o

Vote: ~Jordan`

[Kirbyoshi]

Jordan, what exactly do you have against me? Other than, of course, simple, maybe subliminal, OMGUS. If you actually stated your case against me, it would make it much easier for me to explain why you are wrong

And to whoever asked me why I didn't comment on SL's "claim," I don't think there's much to comment on. If her PR (which I take to mean Power Role, but I could be wrong) has a condition for her to be sided with either town or scum, and we don't know concretely which side she's going to choose, isn't that much like how each of us is now, that no one knows for sure what side any given player is on? In addition, I think it is more important, at least on D1, to lynch scum than Indies; correct me if I'm wrong.

[Kirbyoshi]

vote ectomancer

for not using his vote yet.

I find this scummy. You vote for ecto without building a case against him, then go on to talk about Jordan and SL, as if trying to misdirect.

Since I figure Jordan's "bad luck" post could just as possibly be talking about a vanilla role as a scum role, and because elvis tried to misdirect, I will...

Unvote ~Jordan`, Vote: elvis_knits

[Kirbyoshi]

While functionally you may see no difference, attacking your attacks on Jordan is not the same as defending Jordan.

Functionally

there is no difference, and functionality is what really matters, imo. Maybe you're being a little too careful that you don't defend him directly, but how is that less scummy than defending him indirectly?

[Kirbyoshi]

I believe that Monkey and myself are the parties involved and we are asking you for your other cases. I really don't think that you want to attempt to argue that we haven't exhausted the argument.

Sooo...you're at each other's throats basically on everything else, yet you come together at this one point? You don't think Monkey could have a scummy motivation for saying EL is simply piggybacking without posting any real suspicions?

Wait a minute...

why don't you try to find your own scum, rather than lynch those that are willing to put themselves on a limb trying?

Monkey's comment to EL seems like a scummy GTFO move, as evidenced above. It sounds like "There's enough people on me. Go find someone else to pick on." Pretty scummy if you ask me.

Unvote Elvis, Vote: MonkeyMan576/MonkeySudo

I guess I'm picking a side now...

[Kirbyoshi]

Jordan seems to be the better choice, and I continue that assessment.

Really? When you posted the "request for consolidation" you did not endorse either lynch in particular, simply that the wagoners come to a consensus. When did you say (since you've been attacking both of them) that you thought Jordan was a better lynch than Ecto?

[Kirbyoshi]

That's not what I was saying at all. I'm saying that voting for people that are casebuilding and scumhunting, when you're not willing to build your own cases, is scummy.

Does not explain the fact that you, by the post to which I originally referred, attempted to discredit EL's arguments, when he has said time and time again that his arguments are based on sound logic, whilst you have been at least semi-flip-floppy on your cases.

[Kirbyoshi]

Right now. I wasn't dodging the question before, more I didn't realize is was something people were demanding an immediate answer to.

Seems to me that it would be obvious that if you ask for consolidation, the person who requests it should be the one to choose the target. You just left it wide open.

[Kirbyoshi]

EL, I just iso'ed you, and found out your vote on "King" DDD didn't last long AT ALL. While I don't agree with the case on Danny, I think that if you think he's scummy, you should vote him, and stick with your vote. That is, if you want to play townily =/

FoS: Eldritch Lord

My vote stays.

[Kirbyoshi]

You claimed vanilla townie. Any mafia can do that and get away w/ it.

QFT; the only part of Jordan's stance on this topic that makes sense. I think he actually has a valid point, but relating to

early

claims, not a claim that's like "OMG I need to claim or I'll be lynched," which is what was basically the case with Monkey, although it didn't do him any good.

[Kirbyoshi]

Most vanilla claims are not believed, but a vanilla has better chance of surviving a day if he/she claims, as refusing to claim is MUCH more scummy than claiming vanilla. However, if he were to claim PR as a vanilla, he is only prolonging the inevitable, as he would be NK'ed the night after he van-claimed.

[Kirbyoshi]

Wow, charter lol. Back off of the caffeine for awhile.

I think it's interesting how easily you condemn ML for what seems like simply guilt by association.

More on post 58 please.

66 was not an OMGUS. I didn't vote EK because she voted ecto; I voted EK because she voted ecto for no valid reason. Not voting yet tells caution, not scumminess.

154 needs an actual case against it as well, not just an "OMG ur scum".

252 - Name one thing in that post that's not right.

[Kirbyoshi]

Caffeine, methamphetamines, whatever it is quit doing it. You don't even remember that you accused me of being ML's buddy, not Kirby.

Actually, he accused the three of us of being a scum trio.

[Kirbyoshi]

Hang on, I just noticed something...

Well if you're being honest about your role that's phenomenal for us. I've really disliked Jordan's attack on MM lately and MM has been calm and rational about the whole deal. I've got a lot of respect for you charter and you raise some really good points about Kirby so...

Unvote; Vote: Kirbyoshi

This, especially the last sentence. Most of charter's case against me is bullcrap, yet you say he "raises really good points". This is more buddying-esque than anything anyone charter accused of it has done, and Monkey's been defending himself well enough recently, so...

Unvote Monkey, Vote: Debonair Danny DiPietro

[Kirbyoshi]

Right now I'm waiting for a response to my questions and then will give a verdict. Don't want my attitude to taint the response in any way.

You have an attitude, one of anticipation; therefore, your attitude will affect his response (joke).

I don't think DDD is scum because the only questionable thing he's done is vote MM.

Really? The ONLY thing? Good job noticing the buddying to a claimed town PR, and maybe others, I'll have to reread before I give a list.

[Kirbyoshi]

Sure, the evidence would be in favor of it, and that would be probably enough to

lynch the PGO,

Did I miss something here? I thought that PGOs were at least most of the time, and at most always, town-aligned. Brings up an interesting point though: would it be beyond the realm of imagination for there to be a

scum-aligned

PGO? This is probably reaching, but I want to hear what the more experienced players have to say about it.

[Kirbyoshi]

Or does a target by mafia become a mutual kill?

Not according to my experience at epicmafia, but I've never dealt with a PGO in forum mafia, so idk.

[Kirbyoshi]

@mod: Please don't tell us if there is a PGO, but if there is, would a mafia target be a mutual kill?

[Kirbyoshi]

He's fishing to see if scum will die if they target me.

Ok, I knew there was some sort of misunderstanding about that. I'm wondering whether

you

will die from a scum target, not if they will. I know they will.

[Kirbyoshi]

Ok, so I guess that was a hammer, and since this may be considered twilight, there's no harm in me claiming now...

I'm the

Swedish Chef, a vanilla townie.

If charter and Jordan hadn't criminalized vanilla claiming, I would have claimed earlier, but w/e I guess.

[Kirbyoshi]

Wow, this was seriously the scariest scumteam I've ever played with. Awesome job, all three of you.

Sorry town, for asking such a bad question. If I hadn't been lynched, we might have won.

Zorb, I know you put the game complexity at 4/10, but I'd still like to see some more PRs. Personal preference

[Kirbyoshi]

charter, you didn't know if there was a doc; if there was, the doc would have been more than happy to protect you if you had come clean to begin with, instead of being a filthy scummy liar.