Open 167 - Pie E7 Game over, quick like. before 844

[Zachrulez]

/confirm

Let's get to killing some scumbags!

[Zachrulez]

Vote: Haylen

A shame we didn't get to finish that open 150 game.

[Zachrulez]

Unvote: Vote: Netlava

[Zachrulez]

Eh, it's an option. At least the dice won't trick us.

Anyways, atm jason is my top suspect. Jason's "sure" gives me a weird feeling. Almost like he secretly wants me to get quicklynched.

Normally, I don't like blabbering on first impressions too early b/c of tunnelvision, but whatever.

@ Haylen, do you prefer playing as scum or town? Just curious.

And you didn't want to get one of either me or Haylen quick lynched?

[Zachrulez]

Why do you think a random lynch is a more effective strategy?

Why do you prefer shorter days?

In a setup like this, there isn't a whole lot of room for error. 2 mislynches is game over for the town.

[Zachrulez]

Oh, I don't know if it was clear, but my vote's not random. (I did change it without explanation.)

I was hoping for more of a reaction to it.

[Zachrulez]

So Netlava, why'd you direct that alignment question at only Haylen?

[Zachrulez]

Why do you prefer shorter days?

Longer days lead to more boring games which lead to inactivity which lead to apathy = bad for town.

Not necessarily. Longer days help the town. More information is gained from longer days. There is a point where it just gets ridiculous though I will agree.

I was hoping for more of a reaction to it.

Jason's vote is the one that felt weird to me.

Can you explain why it felt weird?

So Netlava, why'd you direct that alignment question at only Haylen?

Which do you prefer btw? But there's a reason for it, and I'll answer that after Haylen answers the question.

She did in 42 didn't she?

Town. Catching scum is far better than actually being scum in this player's opinion.

[Zachrulez]

It was a joke intended to elicit a reaction. I made it clear afterwards that I don't actually support a quicklynch.

Well you certainly did get a reaction from me, and you did make it clear.

That, along with your earlier game behavior leading me to believe you actually wanted a quick lynch was the reason for my vote. Now that it has been cleared up

unvote:

I was also curious to see if I could get any kind of reaction from you on my vote and see if you could figure out the reasoning for it.

[Zachrulez]

I think a random lynch ends up with more info in the end.

See, now that's the confusing part for me.

I don't see how randomly lynching gives you more information when less discussion results from it.

[Zachrulez]

See, now that's the confusing part for me.

I don't see how randomly lynching gives you more information when less discussion results from it.

Eh, my assumption was that random lynches result in discussion in the end, whereas a quicklynch doesn't leave time for such.

Statistically speaking, on D1 town lynches correctly much less often than randomly lynching would. I remember reading this somewhere.

Now that's an interesting claim.

I went and dredged up some statistics on an old newbie game I played.

[Zachrulez]

@ jason: Give me time, I just woke up.

How much more time do you need?

[Zachrulez]

I am interested in hearing more from CSL and Haylen. I'm kinda stuck here in limbo while I wait for that to happen.

[Zachrulez]

Just for clarification, why do you find me suspicious again?

You're kidding right? It's 5 pages. Read it.

Actually if you could summarize your points in bullets, it would make it a lot easier for me to follow.

[Zachrulez]

110 applies to Netlava as well.

[Zachrulez]

Jason, what do you think of Toro at the moment?

Vote: CSL

He needs to start posting. I could easily cast a vote on Haylen as well for lurking too, but I happen to be in a position to put more pressure on CSL right now.

[Zachrulez]

Jason, I would imagine that top suspect, and mildly suspect go together the way they do early in the game due to the fact that there is little to go on in the early game, so I don't really see it as this big huge deal of a contradiction that you apparently do.

[Zachrulez]

Not feeling like reading the thread. I may be in way over my head with so many games. D:

If you can't play, replace out. You will not get any sympathy from us for holding up the game.

[Zachrulez]

Not feeling like reading the thread. I may be in way over my head with so many games. D:

If you can't play, replace out. You will not get any sympathy from us for holding up the game.

This man speaks the truth.

And this man buddies up to a level that is starting to scare me.

[Zachrulez]

It really doesn't take that long to read 6 pages.

[Zachrulez]

Eh, there's more to the Toro case. I'll post the rest later.

this is later, you are still yet to post the rest of your case!

Yeah, I am actually interested in this.

Anyway, your points against Netlava are that he apparently wants a quick/random lynch and has apparently contradicted himself in naming you his top suspect?

Is that accurate? Any points I'm missing?

[Zachrulez]

Yeah, I'm not seeing what the big deal is with any of the claimed points against Netlava.

I see small points being blown up.

Toro, opinions on Haylen? Why vote CSL over her?

[Zachrulez]

You don't have a problem with her lurking?

[Zachrulez]

You don't have a problem with her lurking?

I'm not saying that I don't have a problem with her lurking, it's just my attention is on CSL currently atm.

He certainly does need to get to posting ASAP.

I've been metaing Haylen. What is bothering me about her, is the game I was scum with her in, (Open 150) she chronically lurked, repeatedly stalling on calls to post content.

Her play here is similar. I've looked at townie games she's played, and while her activity does tend to be low, she does tend to post content every few days or so. She has yet to make one content post in this game.

I also have some experience with CSL. but not nearly as much to meta on. I'm interested to see if he will actually read the game tonight and post.

[Zachrulez]

Unvote: Vote: Haylen

[Zachrulez]

Talbot, Netlava explained that he finds the lurkers more suspicious. (That's the way I interpreted it at least.)

As it is, your case consists of you trying to push the square peg through the circle hole.

[Zachrulez]

I called you Talbot again.



What's your opinion on the lurkers?

[Zachrulez]

Hey, sorry i am back. Been busy the past few days and was trying to catch up in a different game first. After having said that, i honestly have nothing much to say in this one. Nothing has really happened in the last 5 days...

The only time i played with haylen, she was very active, i think. Unfortunately, that game was mod abandoned and so i don't know with any certainty her role there.

If this was open 150, I was in that game too, and I don't know what you're talking about because every post she made in that game was about making excuses for not posting content. (I was scum with her in that game too.)

[Zachrulez]

Hey Kittymo! Welcome to the game.

[Zachrulez]

Guys, let's lynch Haylen.

[Zachrulez]

This isn't rocket science, this is mafia.

[Zachrulez]

That may be your reasoning, but you've provided the town absolutely no content in the 10 days since the game started. It does not take this long to post content in games.

Seeing what I've seen of your play in the past, I think you are a good lynch at this point.

[Zachrulez]

umm...you've seen nothing of my play in the past. Go look at newbie 800, this is exactly the same situation as i was in there. As town. What has happened here is identical to what happened there. The New York game you are refering to, it was the first game i'd ever replaced into and i couldnt handle catching up on 20something pages.

It may interest you to know that im doing a full PBPA complete with number of posts, how they've interacted with other players ect.

I'll believe it when I see it.

I browsed your iso in newbie 800, and you were posting content there...

[Zachrulez]

I would be happy if Haylen got another vote or two to motivate her a little more.

The threat of a lynch from the only guy voting for her is enough to shoot her posting up to about 5 posts a day.

[Zachrulez]

You ARE stalling Haylen.

You have been for days.

[Zachrulez]

Well, I still want to see what Haylen has to say for herself.

And if anyone is considering a hammer, they should give her a chance to claim before doing so.

[Zachrulez]

The more time you spend bickering with those who are pressuring you to post your thoughts without actually posting your thoughts, the worse you end up looking Haylen.

[Zachrulez]

The claim is premature. I think people should claim only when a 4th player intends to hammer.

I don't know about premature.

I have issues with vanilla claiming though. (I probably didn't make my position on that clear enough when I said she should have a chance to claim.)

I just wanted her to have a chance to claim on the off chance she was a power role.

[Zachrulez]

I still prefer lynching Haylen, but I also wouldn't mind one of Toro at this point either. I'm not getting good vibes on him, and he's really been buddying up to me hard.

[Zachrulez]

Of course you are, scum. If I'm lynched I'm guarenteeing that the rest of the town will take you down D2.

I'm saying, we don't know exactly what Haylen is.

But you know Netlava is scum and aren't voting for him?

[Zachrulez]

or we cud lynch you now to avoid that.... just sayin

Does that mean you find Toro scummy? You seemed to think he wasn't really that scummy earlier.

[Zachrulez]

And at this point I know Haylen thinks Toro is scum, (I am consequently finding him scummy myself.) but I don't know what she thinks about anyone else.

[Zachrulez]

Looking at 265...

Wow.

[Zachrulez]

After rereading through this it seems as if Zachrulez has been coaching you.

EVERYONE, IF WE LYNCH HAYLEN I SUGGEST WE NOW ALSO LOOK INTO ZACHRULEZ

This being if she comes up scum, which she will.

Coaching? Show me where you think I'm coaching.

Also I would suggest you look through at who's been pushing the Haylen wagon to viability and rethink how likely a zachrulez/haylen pairing really is.

[Zachrulez]

I tend to see Toro as frustrated town at this point BTW.

[Zachrulez]

Ah yes, Netlava.

I'd like to see that case on Toro now as I'm fascinated with the unvote after that ranty post.

[Zachrulez]

Also @mod, any word on the replacement situation?

I'd like to get some stances from that player slot.

[Zachrulez]

What makes 211 more likely to be made by me from a scum perspective as opposed to a town one Toro?

[Zachrulez]

@Zachrulez: Right after you said this she claims and then proceeds to post your thoughts.

Post Zach's thoughts? I really didnt. You're inventing things to make me appear scummy now.

I think that was a typo... I'll let Toro clarify that.

[Zachrulez]

And hello Haylen. Fancy meeting you here.

Any thoughts to share on the other players in the game?

[Zachrulez]

What makes 211 more likely to be made by me from a scum perspective as opposed to a town one Toro?

All of this just depends if Haylen turns up town or scum, it sounded like you were coaching her.

Sounded that way to you? Personally I think you're being a bit paranoid here and too quick to dismiss that the post is as simple as calling it like it was.

[Zachrulez]

Not that paranoia is necessarily a bad thing.

[Zachrulez]

What do you think of Netlava's unvote of you Toro?

[Zachrulez]

Your case? You said I was lurking, when I was ill and stalling when I gave reasons. You seem very desperate to lynch me.

I shall be replying to your post against me in my next.

LIES!

Ok, that was a cheap shot. ^ _ ^

While you're doing that, you could also let us know what you think about everyone else in the game too. Pretty please?

[Zachrulez]

*cheer*

Woooo, nailed that roleblocker scum on day 1.

Sorry I had to replace out guys, I was put into an ethical dilemma after I accidentally saw Sotty's role PM to kittymo's replacement. (We are married and live together.)

Props to Manzcar and Nikanor for being good replacements.

I also don't fault Nikanor for not counterclaiming, with 5 people left, he would have been the lynch after Netlava flipped cop. It was an unwinnable situation for scum.

[Zachrulez]

Great game guys, we should all get together and play again sometime.

[Zachrulez]

Yay, I was killed for being awesome.

Not a claim I will be able to make often on MS.

[Zachrulez]

Yeah, Zach also let slip that he had a PR.

Did I? I don't recall ever really giving the fact that I was the doc a second thought.

[Zachrulez]

Eh, I don't see that as a slip... but if it draws night kills when I'm vanilla... whatever.

[Zachrulez]

I have more familiarity with the f11 setup anyway where the power roles generally take up a pretty small percentage of the player base compared to a 7 player setup.

I can certainly see what Netlava thought he saw.

[Zachrulez]

Hmm... I tend to misinterpret a lot of random stuff as "slips." Like that Toro stuff.

Toro was pretty much obvtown to me after that lengthy rant. I was worried when I had to replace out that the scum would slink a lynch on him.