Mini 816: Revenge of the Monkey(GAME OVER!)

[Sajin]

Why would you say this unless you were the one scum?

[animorpherv1]

Why would you say this unless you were the one scum?

Why would I? Honestly, if you could ask anyone I know, they'd say I don't lie. Teachers,parents, siblings,friends, any one.

On another note, obvious question is obvious.

[Sajin]

Alright but you better follow through if you are a survivor.

But the I don't lie comment is stupid in a game of mafia.

[animorpherv1]

Alright but you better follow through if you are a survivor.

But the I don't lie comment is stupid in a game of mafia.

Yes, I know.

[Riceballtail]

Also, now that I've said that, if I don't get lynched, there's a high probability of me dieing tonight, if scum is reasonably smart.

I completely disagree. I'd think scum would want you alive to scapegoat you tomorrow if you aren't lynched today. Then again, I don't think you should be allowed to see tomorrow, since you're most likely scum right now.

[My Milked Eek]

So why is it me over him then?

Do you think its me because I fingered you at several points?

Not really. I provided reasons at the end of D4 and some today. And I'm waiting for ryan's answers.

Well, in a way it does include you fingering me, but it's not about you fingering me, it's how you did it. As said before.

Should be simple, as is we lynch one. If he's town, we lynch the other one. I PROMISE I WILL STICK TO MY WORD. I've never purposely broken a promise, ever.

I don't think neighbors always have one scum in them. To auto assume that is a bit over the top. If sajin flips town, I don't think it's ryan.

You can promise all you want, this is mafia. People lie.

[animorpherv1]

@RBT I'd like to see some proof.

@MME, yes, I know.

[Sajin]

Personally I love how both of you think the investigated innocents opinion is irrelevent.

[My Milked Eek]

Personally I love how you think an investigated innocent is somehow more right or more relevant than uninvestigated players.

[Sajin]

Personally I love how your ignoring my vote history and voting me based purely on the fact I was communicating with my neighbor when he was not as well as because I suspected you.

You don't like the fact that I am considering all the aspects here. Nor that I was aggressive to you. Also, I doubt you have read any meta on me as town or scum. RBT has.

And yes you if your town, should trust the opinion of the investigated innocent over a neutral survivor or neighbor. Yes. I have handed you 2 scum on a silver platter. The 3rd lies within Ryan and animopherv.

[My Milked Eek]

Personally I love how your ignoring my vote history and voting me based purely on the fact I was communicating with my neighbor when he was not as well as because I suspected you.

Let's see:

Regfan (random)
Devestation
charter
NIGHT
Devestation
Unvote
Devestation
NIGHT
Dramonic
NIGHT
RBT
Unvote
Eek
Unvote
RBT
No Lynch
NIGHT
Ani

Let's ignore D2 & D3. Obvious scum were obvious.

Also, nice way of taking my reasons of suspicion and only taking what you see fit to use.

You don't like the fact that I am considering all the aspects here. Nor that I was aggressive to you. Also, I doubt you have read any meta on me as town or scum. RBT has.

"All aspects"? I need some explanation on this.

I couldn't care less that you were aggressive towards me.

Don't care about meta.

And yes you if your town, should trust the opinion of the investigated innocent over a neutral survivor or neighbor. Yes. I have handed you 2 scum on a silver platter. The 3rd lies within Ryan and animopherv.

The only thing the opinion of an investigated townie has, is the fact that the townie isn't lying. That's it. Don't try to tell me rbt is more right than someone else, just because he was investigated. Townies can be wrong too.

I have handed you the two scum as well. Forgot that one post that made you reconsider me during D4? Does this make me any more right about your alignment than you about ryan's or ani's? Not really. To think so, is delusional.

Also, what is that dead townie doing on that silver platter (charter)? Stop using only half of the facts to ty and prove your opinion is worth more.

[My Milked Eek]

The 3rd lies within Ryan and animopherv.

Why not me?

[Sajin]

It could but I doubt it.

You ignoring facts is reading hardheaded townie. Take the read or leave it.

[My Milked Eek]

1) I'm not hardheaded. I'm willing to hammer animorph as soon as ryan answers my questions.

2) You still didn't properly explain what magical scumhunting powers an investigated townie receives. And frankly, this feels like you buddying up to rbt. iirc on D4 you were all too eager to push the doubt that rbt was a godfather. Why the sudden change?

[Sajin]

Because of power level reasons. If there is no doctor I doubt they have a godfather. Granted that can get WIFOMY. I also doubt that we have a survivor by the same token.

[My Milked Eek]

The reason I asked is:

2 posts later the mod says revised investigations have been sent out. Without the investigation, RBT seems the scummiest of us all. Vote/fos/accusation pattern fits all the scum before.


So I would perfer a lynch on RBT.

#569, signed you.

[Sajin]

That was when I thought there could still be a doctor around.

Fair enough?

[My Milked Eek]

Not really.

"

Without the investigation, RBT seems the scummiest of us all.

"

Tell me, what kind of magic powers does an investigation give the investigated?

[Sajin]

Nothing except you know your not being convinced down the wrong path by them. At worst they picked wrong. But at least you know they are uninformed rather that informed.

[Sajin]

How about you unvote at least if you really are waiting to hear an opinion. Feel free to ratchet it back up later.

I do not like being at L-1 with a possible scum able to hammer me from the blue.

[My Milked Eek]

That was my entire point.

Being able to take rbt's posts at face value means nothing more than that. It also means I have every right to believe he is mistaken, as I have the right to believe he's the new Oracle of Delphi.

Tell me, why did you try and use his innocence as a way to listen to you? Or to prove your innocence?

[My Milked Eek]

Unvote

[Sajin]

I used it as a way to challenge you. Your listening to the words of someone you suspect (ryan) over the innocent. Since I know your wrong about me, why would I NOT want to convince you otherwise?

[My Milked Eek]

I'm not listening to him.

I'm asking him what was said in the QT. I could also ask you the same questions, but then I'd be listening to someone I suspect.

In fact, I'll dig up my recent-most questions and answer them. I don't need ryan to determine the time of some quotes, nor do I need him to confirm a quote of yours.

Click for questions.

[ryan2754]

Am I wrong in assuming that you're getting a less-than-town vibe from Sajin?

No, you are not. Granted, considering we are unconfirmed, that doesn't necessarily mean one of us HAS to be scum. But yes I am getting slightly scum read right now.

Good. Did he say it looked like his? (yet another important question)(yes, I'm going somewhere with this, or I hope to)

His response was simple: I have the same win condition.
All threats eliminated and no stopping it.

- 08-05-2009, which means it was approximately the end of D2, after Konowa CC'd cop.

Thus, after it was very obvious dev was scum.

- I don't think it compares. You and Kitty were both scum, so the buddying/not distancing stuff is a legitimate fear. You two were making sure that you weren't buddying at all, and were remaining somewhat distant. Seems sajin in doing the opposite, trying to decrease the distance between me and him.

Ah, yes, obviously. I'm not too familiar with mason/neighbor play, but I don't think it's optimal if you try to buddy to your partner. Especially when you're neighbors.

Can you place this for us? Is it pre-dev lynch or after?

I am missing the sequence here. What is the "it" in your second sentence?

Ani - Isn't going to help the town as long as he's alive.

MME - Neutral, but probably a good choice for tomorrow if Ani isn't scum.

Ryan - Also a likely choice for tomorrow if Ani isn't scum.

Sajin - Most likely town to me right now.

Is this serious? Can you explain your opinions better?

Sajin, I don't get what you are trying to prove with your 619. It opens a bunch of WIFOM.

I think that the reason you or ryan are still alive is rather simple.

One of you is scum.

By killing off one of the neighbours, you're really making the other look suspicious. If one neighbour flips town, then due to the nature of the role the other would be incriminated.

If you're both town, I think the scum would have killed one of you already.

I think this theory makes sense.

The whole not lying thing is dumb in the game of mafia, Ani.

RBT, why do you think the survivor claim is scum?